Math Majors! Help me with this please

by mrmatt
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So I have been spinning my articles for maximum link juice. I have just been spinning on the sentence level. I rarely if ever spin on the synonym level.

My question for all you math studs is how do you figure out how many unique article you can create and at what percentage is their uniqueness and/or how many articles would you get at a uniqueness of 65% or higher.

The reasons for wanting to know this are:

  • I want to figure out how much mileage I can get out of spun article.
  • If I am spending to much time or not enough time spinning and how deep I should be spinning.
  • Deciding what to pay someone to write a spun article and to what degree.
  • And finally what the potential value is when buying a pre-spun plr article based on their level of sentence/paragraph spinning and how many versions of that article they say they will sell.

Math Problem #1:

1 article
5 paragraphs in the article
5 sentences per paragraph
Each sentence is re-written 5 times.

How many articles could be generated at a 65% uniqueness or higher?


Math Problem #2

1 article
5 paragraphs in the article
5 sentences per paragraph
Each paragraph is re-written 3 times
Each sentence in each paragraph is re-written 5 times.

How many articles could be generated at 65% uniqueness or higher?

If you would please share the formula vs. just the answer that would be highly appreciated.

Thanks
Matt
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  • Profile picture of the author Lee MacRae
    You can get tools to help such as DupeFree Pro v2 or pay for DUPECOP DESKTOP V2 [$37 I think] and it will give you the % of uniqueness for your spun articles etc...you can spin hundreds and it shows you a chart as to how unique they are against each other.

    Now in about 2 minutes your going to be flooded with comments on how you should not be spinning....hold onto your seat
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    • Profile picture of the author mrmatt
      Originally Posted by Lee MacRae View Post

      Now in about 2 minutes your going to be flooded with comments on how you should not be spinning....hold onto your seat
      Thanks Lee!

      I thought about putting in a disclaimer about that! I've read the threads and followed the debates.
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  • Profile picture of the author art72
    Dunno... I never spin articles, there's little to no link juice in that method!

    Perhaps this article might help explain why I don't waste my time.

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-spinning.html

    Hope it solves your math problem, as my answer is 1 article, submit it as is, same effect, less work.

    All the Best,

    Art
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  • Profile picture of the author art72
    To each their own, but if you read the threads, why are you still spinning articles?

    It's your time and your dime, so it doesn't offend me, I had just hoped to save another from exploring a path that has been proven to only produce money for those "selling shovels to the crowd that believed there was gold in that area."

    I had bought, Article Marketing Robot (AMR) and the net day when I asked here in the forum; "how to use it?" - I too read the threads, and never looked back.

    I think the part that confuses the debate is somehow people think that "G" or the directories, or the myth that spinning content magically changes something or mysteriously increases the link juice of the article.

    If makes you happy, have at it.
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  • Profile picture of the author mrmatt
    Hey art72

    This is my take on it.

    If I can take a well written article and spin it on the sentence level so that it still remains a well written article than I am creating hundreds or thousands of unique articles that I can use. (I guess as this was what I was wanting to find out)

    As I mentioned I hardly ever (never) spin on the synonym level because every time I have tried that the article turned into a steaming pile of sh##.

    The alternative to not spinning is writing one article or buying an article and using it once. And by saying using it once I mean utilizing it on all of the various sites that I can. i.e AMR, article directories, networks, web 2.0 etc.

    Once this has been submitted to these places that article is spent. Now I need another article which I will need to write or hire a writer.

    So based on what you are telling me I may be over doing it as far as the spinning. With minimal spinning on the sentence level (maybe 2 spins) I may still be able to generate 50 to 100 versions of the article that are still have a very high percentage of uniqueness.

    I am not going to disagree with you on the link juice thing. An assumption on my part as I have never tested it one way or another.

    Thanks for chiming in as it kind of helped me answer my own question.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by mrmatt View Post

      The alternative to not spinning is writing one article or buying an article and using it once.
      Sorry, but that's just not true at all. That's as logical as saying that the alternative to (not) spinning is (not) drinking a banana milkshake.

      Here's a thread that might really help you but I don't know whether you'll be willing to read it, given some of what you've said above. So I won't make a big deal of it, other than recommending it and wishing you a successful outcome, whatever you decide to do.
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  • Profile picture of the author mrmatt
    What I am saying is you can only use that article once. Once in AMR, once in blog networks, once in the article directories, in other words using the one article once in hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands of sites.

    I get it. You don't need to spin. Heard loud and clear.

    After I have submitted that article to as many places as I can, it is spent. I will still need another article which I will either need to write or hire a writer for.

    If it is spun I can get hundreds of versions of that article. I can use each of those versions in the same way. Take one spun version, not the actual spintax, and submit that.

    So for me I can take an article that I paid $15 to $20 for and spin it on the sentence level to create unique articles.
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    • Profile picture of the author art72
      Originally Posted by mrmatt View Post

      What I am saying is you can only use that article once. Once in AMR, once in blog networks, once in the article directories, in other words using the one article once in hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands of sites.

      I get it. You don't need to spin. Heard loud and clear.

      After I have submitted that article to as many places as I can, it is spent. I will still need another article which I will either need to write or hire a writer for.

      If it is spun I can get hundreds of versions of that article. I can use each of those versions in the same way. Take one spun version, not the actual spintax, and submit that.

      So for me I can take an article that I paid $15 to $20 for and spin it on the sentence level to create unique articles.
      I understand your trying to get more mileage without the effort or the layout of cash to pay writers, and this to a degree may be your only discourse to the ever-lingering argument.

      What baffles me within this mindset is you are 'openly' admitting that you are "spamming the internet" by blasting the same message all over hell and back for the benefit of "link juice" as your original post states.

      It behooves me (and others) as to how this might serve anyone with 'unique or original' content when in any and/or absolution, everyone who succumbs to 'spinning articles' for this reason eventually comes to realize, the benefits are outweighed by the damage you create spreading this viral non-sense all over the web.

      It's not 'unique content' -it's not 'original content' -it's not beneficial, and it borders spamming, as it provides little benefit to you, or more importantly the internet.

      I think you've missed the point, which is; "Why would you want to blast the same message, to the same places?" -when you can simply syndicate the "Original article" and reap the same benefits, and avoid flooding the internet with a 1,000 "spun" articles all declaring the same (*now blended) message to the end user?

      Look, I am not crusading against you, I am crusading against the spamming the internet with 10,000 versions of the same message.

      It's like this clown I let into my Skype account a week ago, he keeps blasting me the same exact message about his SEO services, and then send me like 6 "disguised" username requests, which I unknowingly accepted the invite... only to get blasted with the same exact offer for his SEO services.

      Think about it.

      1.) I don't care about SEO services, as I syndicate content, and get targeted traffic without relying on such non-sense, so I am NOT his target audience.

      2.) Even if I were interested in his SEO services, I have since contacted him directly, and kindly expressed the damage he just did to HIMSELF, as his desperation made me delete all his contacts. I too suggested he not do the same to others, as I had actually bookmarked his site the first time, after these series of (spam) I deleted him, and the thought of ever referring his services.

      Hence, how you conduct your business is entirely up to you, but don't let the act of spinning articles separate you from the practices similar to the methods as Subusho SEO Services spamming my Skype account!

      -He didn't listen either, but I guess in time all will be revealed, and for now we'll agree to disagree!

      All the Best,

      Art
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  • Profile picture of the author Leunamme
    Math. Now I remember why I took up Journalism.
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    Originally Posted by mrmatt View Post

    Math Problem #1:

    1 article
    5 paragraphs in the article
    5 sentences per paragraph
    Each sentence is re-written 5 times.

    How many articles could be generated at a 65% uniqueness or higher?


    Thanks
    Matt
    Matt, while I agree with Alexa and Art about the merits of spinning, the engineer still in me won't let me go without giving you some kind of answer. I'm not looking at % uniqueness, just the number of different articles you could generate.

    It's a two-step process. First, you calculate the number of different paragraphs you could create, then the number of different articles you could create from those paragraphs.

    Step 1: Paragraphs. I'm assuming that the sentences have to stay in the original order to make sense to a reader.

    Multiply the number of options for each sentence. In this case:

    5x5x5x5x5 = 3,125 possible paragraphs for each slot.

    Step 2: Articles. I assuming that the paragraphs have to stay in order to make sense to the reader.

    Multiply the number of options in each slot. In this case:

    3125x3125x3125x3125x3125 = 298,000,000,000,000,000

    Two hundred ninety-eight million billion articles, none exactly the same.

    Matt, you ain't going to live long enough to use that many articles.

    I haven't checked my formula, but my thought is to get "60% unique", we could approximate the number by holding two of the slots constant and allowing the other three to vary.

    First two slots = 5x5 = 25 options
    Remaining three slots = 3125x3125x3125 = 30,500,000,000 or 30.5 billion

    25 x 30,500,000,000 = 763,000,000,000 or 763 billion potential articles.

    At one per second, it would take you roughly 24,193 years to post them to one site, assuming no limits on storage or bandwidth.

    A more realistic approach would be to rewrite on the paragraph level.

    Rewrite each paragraph five times.

    First two slots = 5x5 = 25 options
    Remaining three slots = 25x25x25 = 625 options

    25 x 625 = 15,652 potential articles.

    Which leads me back to the need for spinning at all. By the time you got through posting a fraction of even the smaller number, most sites would, i think, stop accepting submissions from you. Even though such articles might exhibit a mathematical degree of uniqueness, a human reader would spot the similarities long before you reached the end of the list.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Shook
      Unless you know the algorithm by which uniqueness is determined, there is no way to really answer your question except to make determinations like John has done.

      However many it is, it is a lot and unless you are using multiple instances of a posting software, way more than you are ever going to use.
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    • Profile picture of the author bunj
      Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

      Matt, while I agree with Alexa and Art about the merits of spinning, the engineer still in me won't let me go without giving you some kind of answer. I'm not looking at % uniqueness, just the number of different articles you could generate.

      It's a two-step process. First, you calculate the number of different paragraphs you could create, then the number of different articles you could create from those paragraphs.

      Step 1: Paragraphs. I'm assuming that the sentences have to stay in the original order to make sense to a reader.

      Multiply the number of options for each sentence. In this case:

      5x5x5x5x5 = 3,125 possible paragraphs for each slot.

      Step 2: Articles. I assuming that the paragraphs have to stay in order to make sense to the reader.

      Multiply the number of options in each slot. In this case:

      3125x3125x3125x3125x3125 = 298,000,000,000,000,000

      Two hundred ninety-eight million billion articles, none exactly the same.

      Matt, you ain't going to live long enough to use that many articles.

      I haven't checked my formula, but my thought is to get "60% unique", we could approximate the number by holding two of the slots constant and allowing the other three to vary.

      First two slots = 5x5 = 25 options
      Remaining three slots = 3125x3125x3125 = 30,500,000,000 or 30.5 billion

      25 x 30,500,000,000 = 763,000,000,000 or 763 billion potential articles.

      At one per second, it would take you roughly 24,193 years to post them to one site, assuming no limits on storage or bandwidth.

      A more realistic approach would be to rewrite on the paragraph level.

      Rewrite each paragraph five times.

      First two slots = 5x5 = 25 options
      Remaining three slots = 25x25x25 = 625 options

      25 x 625 = 15,652 potential articles.

      Which leads me back to the need for spinning at all. By the time you got through posting a fraction of even the smaller number, most sites would, i think, stop accepting submissions from you. Even though such articles might exhibit a mathematical degree of uniqueness, a human reader would spot the similarities long before you reached the end of the list.
      LOL Greatest Post EVER!!
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      • Profile picture of the author bunj
        Here's a simplified spinning example.

        The cat ran miles.

        {The {cat|hamster|pet|feline|kitten} {ran|dashed|sprinted|raced|trotted} {miles|stretches|mls|kms|kilometers } }

        Using Spinner Chief >> Operation Flat Spin

        {The cat ran miles|The cat ran stretches|The cat ran mls|The cat ran kms|The cat ran kilometers|The cat dashed miles|The cat dashed stretches|The cat dashed mls|The cat dashed kms|The cat dashed kilometers|The cat sprinted miles|The cat sprinted stretches|The cat sprinted mls|The cat sprinted kms|The cat sprinted kilometers|The cat raced miles|The cat raced stretches|The cat raced mls|The cat raced kms|The cat raced kilometers|The cat trotted miles|The cat trotted stretches|The cat trotted mls|The cat trotted kms|The cat trotted kilometers|The hamster ran miles|The hamster ran stretches|The hamster ran mls|The hamster ran kms|The hamster ran kilometers|The hamster dashed miles|The hamster dashed stretches|The hamster dashed mls|The hamster dashed kms|The hamster dashed kilometers|The hamster sprinted miles|The hamster sprinted stretches|The hamster sprinted mls|The hamster sprinted kms|The hamster sprinted kilometers|The hamster raced miles|The hamster raced stretches|The hamster raced mls|The hamster raced kms|The hamster raced kilometers|The hamster trotted miles|The hamster trotted stretches|The hamster trotted mls|The hamster trotted kms|The hamster trotted kilometers|The pet ran miles|The pet ran stretches|The pet ran mls|The pet ran kms|The pet ran kilometers|The pet dashed miles|The pet dashed stretches|The pet dashed mls|The pet dashed kms|The pet dashed kilometers|The pet sprinted miles|The pet sprinted stretches|The pet sprinted mls|The pet sprinted kms|The pet sprinted kilometers|The pet raced miles|The pet raced stretches|The pet raced mls|The pet raced kms|The pet raced kilometers|The pet trotted miles|The pet trotted stretches|The pet trotted mls|The pet trotted kms|The pet trotted kilometers|The feline ran miles|The feline ran stretches|The feline ran mls|The feline ran kms|The feline ran kilometers|The feline dashed miles|The feline dashed stretches|The feline dashed mls|The feline dashed kms|The feline dashed kilometers|The feline sprinted miles|The feline sprinted stretches|The feline sprinted mls|The feline sprinted kms|The feline sprinted kilometers|The feline raced miles|The feline raced stretches|The feline raced mls|The feline raced kms|The feline raced kilometers|The feline trotted miles|The feline trotted stretches|The feline trotted mls|The feline trotted kms|The feline trotted kilometers|The kitten ran miles|The kitten ran stretches|The kitten ran mls|The kitten ran kms|The kitten ran kilometers|The kitten dashed miles|The kitten dashed stretches|The kitten dashed mls|The kitten dashed kms|The kitten dashed kilometers|The kitten sprinted miles|The kitten sprinted stretches|The kitten sprinted mls|The kitten sprinted kms|The kitten sprinted kilometers|The kitten raced miles|The kitten raced stretches|The kitten raced mls|The kitten raced kms|The kitten raced kilometers|The kitten trotted miles|The kitten trotted stretches|The kitten trotted mls|The kitten trotted kms|The kitten trotted kilometers}

        Qty= 125 100% Unique Sentences (based on no more than 3 repeating words per sentence)

        Assuming you can do the same for the remaining sentences, that's 125 unique article submissions, blog posts, etc.
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