Hit hard, but not sure if I was penalized or what

by Fiddy6
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First off, I was just to make it clear that I was the Google Masterclass sticky, which I found very informative to say the least. However, I have some questions since I'm not really sure whether my site was actually penalized or what and would like to explain my situation to see if I can get some advice from the experienced members here.

I run a consumers buyers guide for mens shoes that's been online for about 4-5 years now. The site contains over 6,000 articles and at the current rate, 5-6 new posts are being added per day. For years, the site has been considered an authority in its niche by both its readers and Google. Our search result listings have always been decent, even for some highly competitive keywords. New posts could usually be found in the search results within an hour after going live on the site. There was always a slew of Google bots crawling the site at all hours of the day.

When the whole Panda thing came about, things changed. And they changed quick. My traffic from Google was cut in half. Scrambling for answers, I jumped to my Google Webmaster Tools account and noticed a message from mentioning that my site was suspected of "unnatural linking" to other sites with the intent to manipulate PageRank.

I don't sell links with the purpose to manipulate PageRage nor have I ever bought links or participated in any linking schemes. In fact, I don't even submit articles or add my site to directories, as I don't have the time and wouldn't even know where to begin with some sort of automatic submissions program. Being a consumers buyers guide though, there are quite a few affiliate links on the site linking to retailers selling the shoes we're talking about. I would say 3 out of 10 posts contain an affiliate link. There's also 3-4 banners in the sidebar that are affiliate banners under the Google Affiliate Network. Furthermore, I link to a lot of the same sites (both affiliate and non-affiliate) on a regular basis since part of my job is informing people where the shoes are available.

Looking back at it all, I thought that maybe in the eyes of Google the links didn't look natural, although they are and there's no purpose to pass PageRank, just information on where to buy a product. I visited Google's help forum to ask some questions and a Google employee answered and suggested that I add a "nofollow" tag to ALL my affiliate and outgoing links, and that I should create a designated folder on my server for the affiliate banners on my sidebar and redirect people to the affiliate link through a php redirect, then block the bots from accessing the folder in the robots.txt file. Taking his advice, I spent 3-weeks going back through 6,000+ posts to add a nofollow attribute to the affiliate and outbound links, and doing all the other stuff mentioned.

It's been about three weeks since then and I've seen no changes thus far. I know it does take some time though.

My posts are still being indexed according to my webmaster tools and I still get updates from Google News about my posts being listed, so I know I was deindexed. At the same time though, I don't think I was penalized either. When you do a search for my site (i.e. mysite.com) the first listing is my site with several "sitelinks" listed below it. However, when your search for my site without the .com ending, it's listed third, without the sitelinks. Before the Panda updates and the email I received from Google about the unnatural links,
no matter how you search the name of my site, it always came up first with the sitelinks. Although they're being listed, the new posts aren't showing up until you go 6-7-8 pages deep into the search results whereas they use to show on the first page. I'm also noticing that before I'm able to locate my posts, I'm coming across tons of scrapper sites talking about the same product with duplicate content taken from another site in the niche.

What's the deal here. Was I penalized, sandboxed, or is it just an issue with a lack of backlinks? Is what the Google employee told me about adding nofollow to my affiliate and outbound links the right thing to do? I don't want it to look like a hogging the bots and my PageRage, but at the same time I don't want it to look like I'm just throwing a link out there just to throw a link out there. The links are always naturally placed (i.e. You can buy these shoes now through XXXXX for $180).

If you can give me any suggestions on what to do to improve my situation based on what I explained, I would love to hear what you have to say.
#hard #hit #penalized
  • Profile picture of the author eightofnine
    It sounds like a definite penalty. Although, I am not entirely sure why if you made all the changes they said you needed. Have you contacted google since you made the changes?
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    • Profile picture of the author licketysplit
      Yeah, getting that message from Google Webmaster Tools is definitely not good. 99% sure you're dealing with a penalty here...

      Adding the nofollow tag to your affiliate links was the correct first step. Even if it wasn't actually the problem, you can eliminate it as a possibility. Did you submit a reconsideration request after you changed the links on your site?

      Men's shoes sounds like it would be a competitive enough niche that a rival site owner could have either submitted a spam report about your site "selling" links or link-spamming other sites. If that's what happened, a simple reconsideration request explaining your situation will probably be enough. Have you checked the backlinks to your site for anything that looks unusual? If you could share the domain either here or in a PM that would be helpful.
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      • Profile picture of the author Fiddy6
        Originally Posted by licketysplit View Post

        Yeah, getting that message from Google Webmaster Tools is definitely not good. 99% sure you're dealing with a penalty here...

        Adding the nofollow tag to your affiliate links was the correct first step. Even if it wasn't actually the problem, you can eliminate it as a possibility. Did you submit a reconsideration request after you changed the links on your site?

        Men's shoes sounds like it would be a competitive enough niche that a rival site owner could have either submitted a spam report about your site "selling" links or link-spamming other sites. If that's what happened, a simple reconsideration request explaining your situation will probably be enough. Have you checked the backlinks to your site for anything that looks unusual? If you could share the domain either here or in a PM that would be helpful.
        Yes, I did submit a reconsideration with Google explaining everything I changed. I also gave them a rundown about my site and what is actually is (consumers buyers guide) and why there are a slew of outgoing links to the same sites.

        That was about 2-3 weeks ago and there's been no improvement since. I know these things take time though so I'm hoping they just haven't gotten around to me yet.

        The niche is highly competitive. Actually, it's a cut-throat niche since the profit margins are extremely high. As to whether or not a competitor reported my site in fear of competition, I guess it's possible. I checked my backlinks in Google Webmaster Tools and with a few other free backlink checkers and I don't notice anything unusual. But then again, I wouldn't no know "unusual" is. There's maybe 2-3 websites that link to my site on a regular basis with a sitewide link in their sidebar. One of them is a Japanese website that's pretty spammy, posting only pictures and links to other sites and providing no actual content. I tired to get my link removed from that site but am having problem contacting the owner of the site.
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  • Profile picture of the author webworm
    It seems that you have been badly penalized by the google.After panda update many sites like yours even mine had been effected.It is better now to work on the topic then regretting why it happen so.
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    • Profile picture of the author kissofdeath
      If you have a message about unnatural linking you should look at the links to your site, go into webmaster tools, then to "your site on the web", then "link to your site"

      It could be that a competitor has given you a load of spammy backlinks

      Looking at the google webmasters forums, their a loads of people complaining about sites stealing their content and then ranking higher than they are, read a post from a poor guy that has google as an only income and is going to have to sell his house because he has no idea what to fix

      I had a similar thing happen to my sites 3 weeks ago but didn't get a message saying i was penalized, i submitted a reconsideration request and got a message back a few days later saying i had not been penalized so i have no idea what to fix.
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      • Profile picture of the author Fiddy6
        Originally Posted by kissofdeath View Post

        If you have a message about unnatural linking you should look at the links to your site, go into webmaster tools, then to "your site on the web", then "link to your site"

        It could be that a competitor has given you a load of spammy backlinks

        Looking at the google webmasters forums, their a loads of people complaining about sites stealing their content and then ranking higher than they are, read a post from a poor guy that has google as an only income and is going to have to sell his house because he has no idea what to fix

        I had a similar thing happen to my sites 3 weeks ago but didn't get a message saying i was penalized, i submitted a reconsideration request and got a message back a few days later saying i had not been penalized so i have no idea what to fix.
        I've done this and there's not many sites linking to my homepage. There's a bunch of backlinks from sites linking to individual posts when giving me credit as a source, but there's few that link to the homepage. I've tried to get the ones that do link to my homepage with a site-wide link in their sidebar to remove the link, but majority of the sites are in Japanese and I can't get the owners to contact respond.

        The message I got from Google mentioned me linking to other sites to manipulate their PageRank, not sites linking to me to manipulate mine. I would think if that were the case, the message would of stated that :confused:

        I'm somewhat in the same boat as that guy you speak of. I'm not going to have to sell my house, but I lost a lot of money. 3-figure Adsense days were common a few months ago. Now we're looking at 2-figure days that are even coming up on 3-figures.

        I'm at the point to where I don't know if I should keep it going full motion and wait to see what happens, or just focus on another newer project and put it to the back burner for some time.
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  • Profile picture of the author oneshotmarketing
    It sounds like you have been penalized. I'd say continue to upload fresh content, maybe take your link building slowly from here
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  • Profile picture of the author Monkey Jones
    I too have had a couple sites get really messed up in Google. I have a webmaster tools account for one and haven't received any notices. The other site just got slammed today, and I don't have a webmaster tool account for that one. It is all original content, and I haven't been doing any link building or posting in over one month. It was holding #1 rankings for several keywords and page one for many others.

    What is extremely strange is it isn't showing in the top 200 for the name of the site, which is not a competitive term, or even really a term at all. It still ranks on page 2 for some of the competitive terms. If you search Google for the name of the site the first page has press releases and articles about the site, but the site itself is nowhere.

    I used a Google bot spoofer to check the site. When viewing the site as Google there are a bunch of weird numbers and letters inserted through the site. It's almost like viewing the output of one of those unique plugins that replaces letters with HTML code, but it's not that. This is visible on the page and the source. I checked my server files, and it doesn't look like anything has changed recently. I restored from a backup from the 17th of December, and it's the same. I'm trying to get to the bottom of this now.

    I think my site got hacked and whatever is there is only presenting to Google. You may want to use a Google bot spoofer and have a look at your site.
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  • Profile picture of the author Phoenixfk
    My advice would be to correct what google has asked you to correct and go back to the same forum and post your results and send the emails. Also try to get an individual with the know how in that sort of stuff to get to the bottom of the whole issue. I hope you shall solve it asap and you can get back to focusing on the growth of your business.
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