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Can you believe it? SEO can do magic

by bikramksingh
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look at the image below and you will also say WOW...SEO can indeed do magic.

#magic #seo
  • Profile picture of the author dminorfmajor
    I rank #1 from my own PC in Google for my local SEO company but if I search from anywhere else, I'm still on page 2.

    Point is, Google is slowly integrating your "favorite" sites into the SERPs. Basically they're giving everyone their own, unique results pages.

    Either that's what that picture is or it's been edited. Facebook will never, ever lose that #1 spot.
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  • Profile picture of the author paulgl
    You were obviously doing something online India-related, as
    other Indian sites show up. You also are running evernote.

    Not SEO magic, but personalized results. Which is why
    people should discount personalized results when doing
    SEO.

    My guess is you are in India and were doing searches or the like
    for apps.

    Paul
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    • Profile picture of the author bikramksingh
      Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

      You were obviously doing something online India-related, as
      other Indian sites show up. You also are running evernote.

      Not SEO magic, but personalized results. Which is why
      people should discount personalized results when doing
      SEO.

      My guess is you are in India and were doing searches or the like
      for apps.

      Paul
      Do it yourself and see if the result you are getting is different than what I got. And I searched for facebook only, nothing else.

      I would also advice you to submit the screenshot here.
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    • Profile picture of the author bikramksingh
      Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

      You were obviously doing something online India-related, as
      other Indian sites show up. You also are running evernote.

      Not SEO magic, but personalized results. Which is why
      people should discount personalized results when doing
      SEO.

      My guess is you are in India and were doing searches or the like
      for apps.

      Paul
      Why don't you do the search yourself and share with us your experience (with screenshot if possible). I think it won't take much time.

      Disclaimer: I have nothing to do with this website. I have not done its SEO or anything
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        It probably has something to do with your location then because Facebook is showing up as #1 for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author bikramksingh
    well, first of all, I do not own the website that ranks number one, and secondly, I do not have anything to do with it (no bookmark nothing). A friend of mine asked me to do this and the screenshot is the example of what I see.

    Do one thing:

    Go to Google.co.in and search for Facebook and what result you get

    or do a normal search with facebook on Google.com and then append the the URL by adding GL=IN at the end

    and you will get the same result as I do. Try doing it from the browser you are not logged in. I am equally surprised at this.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by bikramksingh View Post

      well, first of all, I do not own the website that ranks number one, and secondly, I do not have anything to do with it (no bookmark nothing). A friend of mine asked me to do this and the screenshot is the example of what I see.

      Do one thing:

      Go to Google.co.in and search for Facebook and what result you get

      or do a normal search with facebook on Google.com and then append the the URL by adding GL=IN at the end

      and you will get the same result as I do. Try doing it from the browser you are not logged in. I am equally surprised at this.
      You are wrong. You are simply seeing personalized results. Personalized results have nothing to do with sites you own. It has everything to do with sites you visit or have visited in the past.

      Go into Google Chrome and open an Incognito window. Then go to Google.co.in and search for Facebook. You will see Facebook.com is the first listing.
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      • Profile picture of the author bikramksingh
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        You are wrong. You are simply seeing personalized results. Personalized results have nothing to do with sites you own. It has everything to do with sites you visit or have visited in the past.

        Go into Google Chrome and open an Incognito window. Then go to Google.co.in and search for Facebook. You will see Facebook.com is the first listing.
        Please see the result of incognito window below:

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    • Profile picture of the author tamiro1992
      Originally Posted by bikramksingh View Post

      well, first of all, I do not own the website that ranks number one, and secondly, I do not have anything to do with it (no bookmark nothing). A friend of mine asked me to do this and the screenshot is the example of what I see.

      Do one thing:

      Go to Google.co.in and search for Facebook and what result you get

      or do a normal search with facebook on Google.com and then append the the URL by adding GL=IN at the end

      and you will get the same result as I do. Try doing it from the browser you are not logged in. I am equally surprised at this.
      i did it on my computer and i still got facebook number one but facebook india IS number 2 which is still pretty awesome.
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      • Profile picture of the author bikramksingh
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        It probably has something to do with your location then because Facebook is showing up as #1 for me.
        Originally Posted by tamiro1992 View Post

        i did it on my computer and i still got facebook number one but facebook india IS number 2 which is still pretty awesome.
        Did you try google.co.in? or did you add GL=IN at the end of the search string?

        I think this is happening on Google India. Have asked my friends as well, and they are getting same result.
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  • Profile picture of the author bikramksingh
    Screenshots from other browsers, and its not personalized result for sure.





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  • Profile picture of the author IMdude123
    yep in google.co.in it is result number 1. how did they do it?
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    • Profile picture of the author bikramksingh
      Originally Posted by IMdude123 View Post

      yep in google.co.in it is result number 1. how did they do it?
      Thanks for confirming it. I am also wondering how did they do it. Found it strange so thought to share it here, but everyone being professionals here, were very skeptic
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    • Profile picture of the author FrankRumbauskas
      Originally Posted by IMdude123 View Post

      yep in google.co.in it is result number 1. how did they do it?
      Same here in Texas, USA. #1.
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    • Profile picture of the author IMdude123
      Originally Posted by Vijaypravin View Post

      its fake!!!!
      you haven't even searched for it in google.co.in because it is not fake!
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    • Profile picture of the author bikramksingh
      Originally Posted by Vijaypravin View Post

      its fake!!!!
      First search it then jump with all gun blazing

      We all are trying to figure out how it happened, and no one is trying to pat his back on this because its none of our work
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  • Profile picture of the author bikramksingh
    A result I got from a friend of mine (Diigo link)

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  • Profile picture of the author IMdude123
    this is my search result

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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    I read this whole thread & the first thing I thought was like most others, I thought OP was simply getting personalized SERP results, that's not the case here.

    I'm in the USA on the east coast, I did a search for google india, then a search for facebook, & www.facebook-india.com is #1 in the SERPs, the real facebook is #2 in the SERPs (from Google India).

    I did my search from a fresh Google Chrome Incognito browser with no search history/cache & not logged into anything.
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    • Profile picture of the author bikramksingh
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      I read this whole thread & the first thing I thought was like most others, I thought OP was simply getting personalized SERP results, that's not the case here.

      I'm in the USA on the east coast, I did a search for google india, then a search for facebook, & Facebook Apps, Facebook Application Development, Facebook Developer is #1 in the SERPs, the real facebook is #2 in the SERPs (from Google India).

      I did my search from a fresh Google Chrome Incognito browser with no search history/cache & not logged into anything.
      Thanks for putting your weight behind my thread

      I am wondering why it happened.
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      • Profile picture of the author paulgl
        LOL! Look at your sig...INDIA!

        Then look at the original results you posted.

        You have the friggin' evernote account showing!
        Obviously, you are using some sort of a personalized
        extension, add-on, whatever that knows your history
        on the web.

        You are even getting India news item in the search!

        You are obviously in India. That alone makes all the
        difference in the world.

        Don't tell me you are not logged in, looking for apps, etc.


        That is from chrome, not logged in, even they know I am in the LA area.

        I could care less what I get from google India. I'm not in India.

        I mean come on. If you go to google.jp, search for yahoo, I'm sure
        yahoo.co.jp comes up first. Go figure.
        Who knows, maybe facebook-india.com is a friggin
        popular site in India and what google thinks most people in India want.

        Sorry, I don't get that result either logged in or not logged in.

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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      I read this whole thread & the first thing I thought was like most others, I thought OP was simply getting personalized SERP results, that's not the case here.

      I'm in the USA on the east coast, I did a search for google india, then a search for facebook, & Facebook Apps, Facebook Application Development, Facebook Developer is #1 in the SERPs, the real facebook is #2 in the SERPs (from Google India).

      I did my search from a fresh Google Chrome Incognito browser with no search history/cache & not logged into anything.
      I did the same as you, and I am also on the East Coast. I got Facebook as #1.
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        I did the same as you, and I am also on the East Coast. I got Facebook as #1.
        Lol, now I'm getting the same as you, Facebook is #1 & OPs site is #2.

        Who knows...

        I did the exact same search as before, I've also been running CCleaner before doing the searches, & Chrome Incognito, so I know this thread or any past browser history isn't changing anything I see in the SERPs.

        Maybe were all looking at different server results, I don't know.

        BTW, the first search I did, Facebook wasn't showing any Google Sitelinks, now they are showing the Sitelinks.
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    When I do a search on Google India, facebook.com is #1 and facebook-india is #2.
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  • Profile picture of the author SEOMasters
    They are #1 in India for Facebook.
    Getting very close in finding out why.
    Doing some research, so guess about 30 minutes and I know for sure, but bet that I found how and it's very very smart
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  • Profile picture of the author SEOMasters
    and now they are #2.
    Funny, it changes and has nothing to do with personalized search. It has to do with data centers.
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      Originally Posted by SEOMasters View Post

      and now they are #2.
      Funny, it changes and has nothing to do with personalized search. It has to do with data centers.
      That's what I'm thinking...
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  • Profile picture of the author SEOMasters
    Ok, I'm done with my research and think I have it nailed. Will test it on one of my sites and when it works, I will post it here.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      Just decided to go to google.co.jp and do a search for
      facebook. Lo and behold, facebook-japan.com shows up
      near the top. Facebook-india nowhere to be found.

      Remarkable, isn't it? If I go to the beach today, I'm
      sure the ocean will be quite wet.

      Paul
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      • Profile picture of the author bikramksingh
        Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

        Just decided to go to google.co.jp and do a search for
        facebook. Lo and behold, facebook-japan.com shows up
        near the top. Facebook-india nowhere to be found.

        Remarkable, isn't it? If I go to the beach today, I'm
        sure the ocean will be quite wet.

        Paul
        Isn't it a common knowledge throughout the world that if someone searches for Facebook he is looking for facebook.com and not facebook-india.com, or facebook-japan.com? Shouldn't it be no-brainer for Google as well?

        Don't you think it is unusual for Google to rank other pages above Facebook even when the term Facebook is used?

        Don't you think it would be remarkable if you go the beach and find water hot and dry...wet is what you expect (read facebook.com in this context)
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        • Profile picture of the author rahul2020
          Originally Posted by bikramksingh View Post

          Isn't it a common knowledge throughout the world that if someone searches for Facebook he is looking for facebook.com and not facebook-india.com, or facebook-japan.com? Shouldn't it be no-brainer for Google as well?

          Don't you think it is unusual for Google to rank other pages above Facebook even when the term Facebook is used?

          Don't you think it would be remarkable if you go the beach and find water hot and dry...wet is what you expect (read facebook.com in this context)
          I am also from india. I saw facebook on top.

          In my view Google reduced EMD weight in SERP. This is why niche websites is getting down. Imagine if they remove emd weight fully. Quality of search results will be reduced.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheFBGuy
    I thought the OP was confused with Google's personalized results but he is correct, facebook-india.com ranks number 1 in India... may switch places with Facebook for the number 1 spot from time to time but it's definitely ranking number 1.

    This is certainly interesting...

    P.S - I am in Canada.
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  • Profile picture of the author GuerrillaIM
    Everyone needs to get off Bikrams back. He is right!

    That URL does show up as #1 in google.co.in and he does have a very interesting point.

    Shame this thread got trolled as it could have been a very interesting discussion.
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  • Profile picture of the author Oranges
    Bikram is right. Facebook-India.com is showing at #1 when searched on Google.co.in. This is not personalized result. For those who are in the US and checking it, Try https://adwords.google.com/d/AdPrevi...__c=1000000000 select co.in as domain and for place type "India" and then select India country option. Then search for Facebook, it will show you Facebook-India.com at #1.

    On the other side when you open that website, after a sec or two it will redirect to http://www.roars.in/

    To OP, ROFL! Yep this is strange, and funny too.
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  • Profile picture of the author webworm
    In google the site we visited frequently are shown in top for the personal PC and browser.To obtain the result correctly open google.com/ncr . It will show the truth result.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ibcontact
    It's showing only in India (Google.co.in)...
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    • Profile picture of the author Backtrack Linkback
      Something else interesting to ad to this. other than a million confirmations and de-conformations

      I looked at their stats on my firefox toolbar and the site is NOT new, which doesn't define how long it has been ranking for the term facebook.. but it does not have ANY traffic recorded according to compete, or seomoz... which is strange/interesting..

      im pretty sure there are a lot of people in India that use facebook so it should still be getting significant traffic.

      I have used this tool a few times for results that don't have a long standing history of traffic from a certain keyword, check this out

      DropDay.com - Free expired domains traffic rank list

      ^^if you click it already has the facebook-india site in question queried for everybody
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      • Profile picture of the author bikramksingh
        Originally Posted by Backtrack Linkback View Post

        Something else interesting to ad to this. other than a million confirmations and de-conformations

        I looked at their stats on my firefox toolbar and the site is NOT new, which doesn't define how long it has been ranking for the term facebook.. but it does not have ANY traffic recorded according to compete, or seomoz... which is strange/interesting..

        im pretty sure there are a lot of people in India that use facebook so it should still be getting significant traffic.

        I have used this tool a few times for results that don't have a long standing history of traffic from a certain keyword, check this out

        DropDay.com - Free expired domains traffic rank list

        ^^if you click it already has the facebook-india site in question queried for everybody
        I don't think that the above link gives accurate information about the traffic, not even a right guess. I have checked it for couple of websites and the result doesn't match with Google Analytics data
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  • Profile picture of the author raghav01
    I did the exact same search as before, I've also been running CCleaner before doing the searches, & Chrome Incognito, so I know this thread or any past browser history isn't changing anything I see in the SERPs.
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  • Profile picture of the author bikramksingh
    Thanks GuerrillaIM, FrankRumbauskas , Oranges, and rhagav01 for confirming the result, but the real question is how did it happen?

    My friend who showed this to me feared some Google Ploy, then again he is a geek who see conspiracy in everything in the world. Google has human reviewers as well, can't they notice this absurdity? And I don't believe they are not commanded to keep a tab on Facebook. Seeing the huge base Google has in India (in Bangalore, Hydrabad, Gurgaon, Pune, etc.), I think they must have noticed this.
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  • Profile picture of the author rahul2020
    This page actually ranking in India. Can you show me how to outrank main emd for local searches. This looks really profitable.

    I guess this can give us motivation to outrank main domains.
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  • Profile picture of the author GetKane
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    So what could of been an extremely interesting discussion turned into another pissing match... Pity, I liked where this is going.

    That site is #1 for me too on google.co.in: America > Florida

    You have to wonder if Google sees the word India in the domain and ties it to the .co.in as an EMD.

    Almost like

    Facebook-canada.com

    Would be the same as

    Facebook.ca
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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    At first when I read this I thought that facebook-india was just the India Facebook. Now I visited the site and it's not owned by facebook at all. That really amazes me.
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    same result for me
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  • Profile picture of the author gogisan123
    To me is also the same result.. I dont know...
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  • Profile picture of the author V12
    Well, I'm in the UK and I can also confirm that Bikram is right. Interesting thread ruined by know-it-alls.
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        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Sheesh guys whats the big deal here? Yes its ranked number one for India. He's neither lying or using personalized search - ALL regional Google indexes favor regional localized results. No mystery and no Magic. Plus I will bet it has more links from within india for that keyword which is a MAJOR ranking factor for regional searches. If you have ever had SEO customers outside of the US it can be pretty easy to rank.

        again. No mystery and no magic
        This is Facebook Mike... Facebook... this is not your ordinary keyword you would try to rank for. Having more "regional links" has nothing to do with this particular and indeed interesting case. You can have all the regional links you want, you will not outrank Facebook for the term Facebook let's say here in Canada.

        When someone types in "Facebook"... in Google regardless of location, they expect Google to return Facebook.com as number 1 undisputed. This is Google's mission, returning EXACTLY what the user wants and if it means cleaning house to make sure their results look all nice and pretty it's what they will and definitely do and have done as I am sure you know.
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      • Profile picture of the author bikramksingh
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Sheesh guys whats the big deal here? Yes its ranked number one for India. He's neither lying or using personalized search - ALL regional Google indexes favor regional localized results. No mystery and no Magic. Plus I will bet it has more links from within india for that keyword which is a MAJOR ranking factor for regional searches. If you have ever had SEO customers outside of the US it can be pretty easy to rank.

        again. No mystery and no magic
        Let's assume this line of reasoning is correct. So, if someone has a lot of links to Google-india.com then would Google put Google-india.com at number one if someone searches for Google in Google.com?

        Replace Google with Wikipedia, Microsoft, and will it be the same? Are Google Alog programmer so stupid to understand things which is so obvious to common people?
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    • Profile picture of the author bikramksingh
      Originally Posted by Opportunex View Post

      Well, I'm in the UK and I can also confirm that Bikram is right. Interesting thread ruined by know-it-alls.
      Yeah Know-it-alls are everywhere. They love what they do, while other love to analyze...
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  • Profile picture of the author rahul2020
    This is extremely competitive keyword in my view. traffic travis, market samuria also show the same. But this gave us motivation that certainly we can outrank main sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author sunray
    It's one of many Google's flaws. When people search for "Facebook", they have no intention of making or ordering an application (what facebook-india.com is offering). Google (its scripts) probably "thinks" that it's the localized version of Facebook itself. The assumption may come from the fact that highly valued trademarked domain name usually ends up in the hands of the proprietor of the trademark--so, Google expects there to be a connection. The owners of facebook-india.com are probably lucky to have the local law on their side.
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  • Profile picture of the author bobcarlsjr
    yup.. facebook-india comes up #1for me.. facebook.com is #2..

    searched from google.co.in

    fantastic.. and now to find out how they did it...
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  • Profile picture of the author Will P
    Checked and see what you're saying but in my opinion the only reason it comes up first in the India data centers is do to the EMD, facebook being the search term and India being the GEO/Local targeted results. As per the owner of the site I wouldn't to excited as it is a infringement on the trademarked name Facebook & if i'm not mistaken I believe that trademark infringements also apply globally.
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    • Profile picture of the author bikramksingh
      Originally Posted by Will P View Post

      Checked and see what you're saying but in my opinion the only reason it comes up first in the India data centers is do to the EMD, facebook being the search term and India being the GEO/Local targeted results. As per the owner of the site I wouldn't to excited as it is a infringement on the trademarked name Facebook & if i'm not mistaken I believe that trademark infringements also apply globally.
      It may be a case of trademark infringement, but I don't think FB will care for that little website...

      you mean to say if someone searches for Wikipedia from India, google should go ahead and look for a website which has "Wikipedia" and "india" in the URL and would then rank.

      if I were alog programmer I wouldn't be that stupid. I would have applied common sense that people mean Facebook.com when they search for Facebook in Google.
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  • Profile picture of the author metlak
    A very interesting subject for me. Not really a great event as credible, how many hits your site is receiving. Thank you for this information.
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  • Profile picture of the author Amsterdam81
    I have been reading this thread...you see, either way if its correct or not, as above comments, how many hits does ur site receive? and "the question here: how is it possible? who does the SEO?"
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  • Profile picture of the author guillermophilips12
    One thing i would like to ask from you guys that is this possible that the same site with some keyword is showing on top 3 rank on one PC and from other location PC it is still not showing on page 1st.
    How is this possible.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rafay Zafar
      region doesnt matter folks - the OP's point stands.
      We are talking about brand name searches (the easiest to rank) here and not generic queries like 'best social network site' or 'find college mates'

      'facebook' is clearly a navigational query for one of the most visited site on the web! when i type facebook into google, i expect to see facebook.com as the top result no matter where im located. When somebody types in toyota, microsoft, ebay, amazon, etc into google they are really searching for the brand website and not some spammy looking domain. I would hate to see toyota-countryname.com ranking #1 for the search toyota unless the former was also a toyota property.

      Anyway this could be due to an alogothim roll-out. Remember Seer Interactive lost ranking for their brand name for a few hours but got it back on the same day. might be worth keeping an eye on that serp
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