Buying high PR expired domains? See this to avoid Fake PRs!

by satrap
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Ok, so I have been reading about buying expired domain names with PRs for the last few days, since I wanted to buy a few and use them with a few blog networks that you can submit high pr sites of your own in order to submit articles for free.
And for some reason the topic of buying high PR expired domain names is being talked about a lot on the forum lately and I red a few thread where a few warriors fell for expired domains with fake high page rank.

So, I started to do some research to find out how to protect myself from buying one of those faked PR expired domains. And I found a few tings that may help those who are beginner in this filed and do not how exactly to spot fake prs. Here is the easiest way I found to find fake prs.

This is how fake PRing (for lack of a better term) works.

Website 1 has no PR or low PR
Website2 has a high PR

I want to fake PR for website1 in order to fool you into buying it from me. I simply steal PR from website2. How?... I do either a 301 / 302 redirect directly or I use cloaking in order to get the PR from website2 to show up with my site (website1) when you check for PR.


How to spot fake PR?
From my brief search I found a few tools, but the easiest and I would think most reliable way for most beginners is the following:

In Google type: info:domainname.com (replace domianname.com with the domain suspected of having fake PR).

You get something like the following image (I tested an actual site(nmfilmmuseum.org)that is being sold on goddady auction and the site claims it has PR6, and indeed when you check with any PR checker, it shows up as a PR6 site.)





In my example you see that nmfilmmuseum.org is faking its PR. Its basically stealing PR by using a redirect from a legitmiate PR6 website newmexicoculture.org.

Real PR6 belongs to newmexicoculture.org and nmfilmmuseum.org is not a PR6 site.


Also, another thing I red is that many times when you buy an expired domain name, the pr disappears after a few weeks and some people had suggested thats because if the old content are off the site now, Google will not count all the backlinks they had pointing to them before since ether is no actually content page on the site anymore.

Using the method above you can actually see the old cached versions of the site when it was alive with all its content by clicking the "Google cache"link (see image), so you can at least re-create its actual URLs and then add your own related content or you could content the old owner and buy ask permission to use (buy from him or whatever) his old content.

Also, Do not rely on page rank checker tools, because some of them actually do fall for the trick themselves.



Now, please remember, I am not an expert, I just found these information while researching and to me it seems like a simple and quick way to check for fake pr and be certain of the results.

I would apprcite it if other experienced warriors would share their tips and tricks or perhaps correct me if I am wrong here or have over looked an important factor or what have you.

Any way, I just thought with the recent high pr expired domain craze, this would be helpful to lots of interested people. Be careful out there and good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author satrap
    By the way, for those experienced "high PR expired domain buyers", how do you guys do it?

    I heard that its not that hard to buy expired domains with PR 2-3 for $30-$60. But, I have been searching for days now and every high pr domain I check is fake pr or if its legit, its over $1000. Is it even posible to find pr 2-3 domain for under $100?...
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    • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
      Originally Posted by satrap View Post

      By the way, for those experienced "high PR expired domain buyers", how do you guys do it?

      I heard that its not that hard to buy expired domains with PR 2-3 for $30-$60. But, I have been searching for days now and every high pr domain I check is fake pr or if its legit, its over $1000. Is it even posible to find pr 2-3 domain for under $100?...
      It's gotten very difficult, but i just got a valid PR4 for $40. Whether it survives the next update is another story.

      The best thing is to check backlinks and make sure the site older. 95% of domains sold especially on DP forum etc. are fake...and MOST of the domains i see on the usual sites, GD etc. are fake also.
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      • Profile picture of the author paulgl
        Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

        It's gotten very difficult, but i just got a valid PR4 for $40. Whether it survives the next update is another story.

        The best thing is to check backlinks and make sure the site older. 95% of domains sold especially on DP forum etc. are fake...and MOST of the domains i see on the usual sites, GD etc. are fake also.
        It's very difficult for people to wait. They want instant gratification.
        That mentality, and the googoo-ness of PR has been a boon to
        scammers. I would second the notion of looking at domain, if not
        site age.

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        • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
          I do not look at site age at all for the domains I buy. It is a non-factor in PR. Although it is rare, a site could legitimately be a PR 3 or 4 in just a few weeks of existence. It does happen.

          I do the "info:domainname.com" check to see if the PR has been obviously faked.

          Next I inspect the backlinks. I run them through SpyGlass to see if they are still active. I make sure there are enough high PR backlinks to justify the PR (to try to rule out someone 301 redirecting domains to the site to artificially inflate the PR. These redirects will disappear after you buy it from them.), and I make sure that there are not a bunch of homepage backlinks pointing at the site. Homepage backlinks are a great way to lose the PR. Why? Well, usually they are either rented or they are coming from other sites that belong to the current domain owner. Either way, they are highly likely to disappear after you buy the site.

          I want to see high PR links coming from internal pages of sites. Site owners rarely go back to check if sites they linked to in the past still exist. They might run their site through a broken link checker every now and then, but those are only going to pick up something if the domain was dropped. These links are more likely to remain.
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      • Profile picture of the author Pyramid Linkers
        Originally Posted by Pat Jackson View Post

        I realise this post is a month or 2 old but there must be something seriously wrong with the way you're approaching things.

        A huge amount of PR2's go for $10-$15 + registration fee of ~$10ish on GoDaddy Auctions every day.

        If you can't find domains that meet the criteria above then there is something wrong with your process.
        As I was going through the thread, this is exactly what I was thinking. Spend a few hours on GoDaddy Auctions, pickup a few PR2/PR 3 domains for 10-40 bucks. Wait a week, and add content. You have a ton of options at this point. Too many people look for short term solutions, the answer is right in from of you.

        With that said, I use a few sources to check a website's validity, including SEOmoz Pro and Open site Explorer.
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  • Profile picture of the author martworld
    Yes, you are exactly right. I use the similar method to check fake PR's
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  • Profile picture of the author IMhelper
    It's really a good idea to spot a site's fake PR. Thanks for sharing!
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Do NOT rely on those guys posting the "proof pics" of "valid" page rank.
    ALL major PR validation sites show those fake domains as "valid".

    Also, do NOT rely on info:sitename in Google!

    The recent amount of fake domains passes all those criteria!

    It is either a flaw in Google or simply a new trick to fake PR which cannot be detected.

    What you can do:

    Check WHOIS information and see how old the domain is. A PR5 domain only 3 weeks old? Not possible.
    Check BACKLINKS. Backlinkwatch etc... a site cannot have PR without some backlinks.
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    • Profile picture of the author TheProgrammer
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      Do NOT rely on those guys posting the "proof pics" of "valid" page rank.
      ALL major PR validation sites show those fake domains as "valid".

      Also, do NOT rely on info:sitename in Google!

      The recent amount of fake domains passes all those criteria!

      It is either a flaw in Google or simply a new trick to fake PR which cannot be detected.

      What you can do:

      Check WHOIS information and see how old the domain is. A PR5 domain only 3 weeks old? Not possible.

      Check BACKLINKS. Backlinkwatch etc... a site cannot have PR without some backlinks.
      Yes exactly, Thanks for the good points.
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  • Profile picture of the author contentclub
    Thanks for your tip. I will take your tips in consideration next time I buy anything related to domain PR.
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  • Profile picture of the author patco
    Yeah, Info:website.com really works great for me. I started using it about 6 months ago, when I was angry with some FAKE websites. I am sure that this will help newbies find the suspected websites
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  • Profile picture of the author thomashoi
    I have bought 5 expired domains since Jan from PR4 to PR2. All of them regained back their PR within 2 weeks. I believe that the place you buy from is very important. If you buy from domain brokers, you need to be extra careful since there are many cases of fake PR.

    I bought 4 of them from namejet, costing from $69 to $299 and 1 from Godaddy at $21. The advantage of buying directly from auction sites is that there is lower chance of fake PR especially if they have a long history as found in archive.org, it also help to check the domains for backlinks using free tools like seospyglass.

    Hope this help.
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  • Profile picture of the author jimnastics
    When you buy an aged / high PR domain for the intention of developing a private blog network, I take it you need to set up a blog on the domain as soon as you can? Otherwise the PR could drop away?
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    • Profile picture of the author Pyramid Linkers
      Originally Posted by jimnastics View Post

      When you buy an aged / high PR domain for the intention of developing a private blog network, I take it you need to set up a blog on the domain as soon as you can? Otherwise the PR could drop away?
      You need to set it up as soon as you can.

      You also need to get SEO hosting for ip diversity. Once you have it set up, I would also suggest you build some links to it.
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  • Profile picture of the author AnmolJ
    SOmetimes Expired Domains Have Unnatural Backlinks !
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    • Profile picture of the author multiline
      Try using the archive.org to see the old contents on that site. Just copy the contents and create a site.
      This way you can get assured that PR will be maintained.
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  • Profile picture of the author CashBackID
    Different Problem Guys, I Bought VietnamTourweb.com from snapnames.com, while i bought it, it was have PR5 both with www and without www. But Recently i recheck this domain is valid PR5 for only with www and PR0 without www. Can You give me an answer?
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  • Profile picture of the author sivagopi
    I believe info:domainname.com will not works in all case and I have checked this on my own.

    As far as I think we should also consider about backlinks and as it have major impacts on pagerank and SERP.
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  • Profile picture of the author gPlayer
    I am doing exactly as satrap. But always check the backlinks to they are still working or not.
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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    I don't even look at the PR, instead I first filter on stats like DA from SEOmoz and the trust and citation flow metrics from Majestic, once they are okay i start to look at the actual backlinks the site has and their likeliness to stay.

    Another good method is to use a domain broker, although they have poor domains as well but at least I can do a quick check up and have the domains in my account within minutes.
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  • Profile picture of the author Emil from Bavaria
    Checking the backlinks is the most reliable method to verify a pagerank imho.
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  • Profile picture of the author aaron86
    Check the backlinks on that domain to make your website safe.
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  • Profile picture of the author rightseosteps
    You will be surprised how many people get away with fake pageranks and sell sites in the thousands with fake traffic as well and notihng can be done about it. Take flippa.com, the site itself has some sellers that fake pretty much everything and good at it to. I hate people like that....
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    • Profile picture of the author walterbayliss
      Thanks for all the posts!
      The aged domains and domains with pagerank add so much in value to online campaigns, but I am shocked at how many people are getting scammed - buying domains that LOOK like they have high PR and then getting them dropped a few days after.

      The tool - PR Powershot
      Has an age and backlink checker - and picks up high PR domains (for dirt cheap) from godaddy.
      A good buy -

      Cheers.
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