Market Samurai. Changes

by zaco 189 replies
Check out this post, January 29th 2012

Noble Samurai

The rank tracker is gone now..the rest will follow I guess..
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  • Profile picture of the author TBInternetMarketing
    I was just discussing the state of Market Samurai with someone else.
    It's a real shame, as a year ago it was a high quality tool.

    Unfortunately they rely on other models such as Google and just can't keep up with their changes.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jon Patrick
      Never fear - even if Market Samurai falls apart completely, I'm sure it won't be long until someone comes along with an even better tool. There's a market for it, after all.
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  • Profile picture of the author GMD
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    There is some hope in this message:

    Our current estimate is that we’ll have the vast majority of Market Samurai’s functionality working again within the next few days. The revised Rank Tracker module may take us several weeks to fully implement, though you can still check small numbers of keywords manually in Rank Tracker, as well as checking Bing and Yahoo! as normal.


    Please be assured that as a small software development team, we understand that delivering great value is what keeps us alive and what built this business in the first place. When the dust has settled, we’re determined to do whatever it takes to ensure the investment you made to own Market Samurai is the best Internet Marketing investment you’ve made.


    However, if at any time you don’t think Market Samurai is worth your initial investment please contact our help desk for a partial or full refund—just be aware that our help desk has a high volume of tickets at the moment, so it may take a little longer than usual to get to your requests.


    As the net (and Google itself) continues to evolve, certain products are going to be negatively effected. At least they're promising that the "majority" of functionality is going to be stored; the rank tracker will take a few weeks, and finally they're offering partial or full refunds.


    But remember, as bad as this might seem, oftentimes when one door closes, two doors open in its place!
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  • Profile picture of the author zaco
    I have been with them since 2009, lately I had alot of issues and they couldn't resolve them to I stopped using their keyword research module and I wasn't very happy but I use the other modules..it is a great software after all..best thing I ever bought

    I am going to try the new company they suggested and see how it goes, 30 days free trial.. I hope they can come up with the same API, not sure how to check my rankings now since I tried other tools and they sucked, I don't suggest checking the results on MS even if its a small quantity since you use your ip and it might get banned.. if u r using Google webmaster then it might be an issue too.. anybody knows any other tools?
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  • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
    It is only the end if they want it to be, I have always seen a coder that can do anything legal to get what they want if he really wants too.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
    Wow, over 400,000 users for Market Samurai ... I didn't think they had that many users. Their tools was great and provided a lot of useful data. For me Market Samurai has been working on and off over the last 6 months or so.
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  • Profile picture of the author LilBlackDress
    Originally Posted by zaco View Post

    Check out this post, January 29th 2012

    Noble Samurai

    The rank tracker is gone now..the rest will follow I guess..
    I don't think so. They will figure out what to do to stay the course for us IM'ers. I have full confidence in the peeps at Market Samurai.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gaz Cooper
    I think you have you give them some time to adjust to Google's latest changes and come up with a plan of attack.

    I'm sure it will not be a quick fix but i think they will get there.

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  • Profile picture of the author Studio13
    Yup — got this notice from the software today, little bummed. Basically, nothing works now. Time to move on..?
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  • Profile picture of the author mrjosco
    The loss of functionality is a little disappointing. I use Market Samurai for two purposes: Keyword research and rank tracking. The other concern is that if they can't accurately track rank, then they can't give any information on SEO competition in terms of the top 10 listings for a particular keyword. This means this functionality is useless as well.

    The fact that I paid a premium price (fair, but premium) and will lose half, or all, of the functionality that I need the product for is a little upsetting. I know it isn't their fault, but if I bought a product to do 2 things and the market changes and it can't do either of those things anymore, then I don't know what I will do.

    I also don't want to have to pay a monthly fee for something that was a built in benefit.

    I understand they can't cover the cost of managing that particular feature, but I may have to be one that requests a partial refund (I can't ask for a full refund because I got about 3 months of good use from it)

    There is a lesson here for us IMers though. Market Samurai made a great product with really cool features, but the functionality of their product relies on a third party that they have no control over. With a simple change at the third party they have hundreds of thousands of disappointed customers - many of whom I imagine will be asking for full or partial refunds. The problems are likely also costs a fortune in extra work or manpower to bring back the functionality they can salvage. That is a risk that should be notated and that is the type of thing that can happen when your business relies on third parties you have no control over.
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  • Profile picture of the author zaco
    I hope they figure it out, they offered a full refund if the user is not happy, but I won't request a refund since I took more than what I paid for.. other developers will just close and run away with the money but they were generous enough to offer a refund

    "However, if at any time you don’t think Market Samurai is worth your initial investment please contact our help desk for a partial or full refund—just be aware that our help desk has a high volume of tickets at the moment, so it may take a little longer than usual to get to your requests."

    Google is becoming annoying lately.. with all their privacy policy BS and now limiting the access, their results suck too..bing is more accurate but at the end of the day they control the search engine market
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  • Profile picture of the author seobuzz
    Never used the Market samurai. Not that because I didn't like the features and well. But mostly because my budget would not allow me to use than, moreover I can use the Google adwords keyword tool.

    So not a problem for me!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Stevie C
    I finally got round to downloading it and trying the 6 day free trial yesterday, Looks like I picked a bad time to do this!
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  • Profile picture of the author zaco
    I am testing that raven tool.. man the information that it gives is crazy..not that I am promoting it but I took a fast glance and added keywords , u actually can add your competitors and track how they are moving and how you are moving in the serps side to side.. but its 99$ a month.. thats alot!
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  • Profile picture of the author rapidscc
    I understand what's happening to market samurai and to SEOQuake as well.

    I'm also a developer and created a keyword tool (keyword miner)
    but because of Google's changes until now I'm having a hard time
    releasing version 2 of my product.

    It's nearly impossible to get a consistent result when reading
    google's free tools nowadays. And the only thing I think would
    work is if you pay them to get search data. I know they have
    a paid package for this though it's limited to a few thousand
    searches and would not be viable if you create commercial software.

    I'm playing with several options now but because of the barriers
    the software is now still in the late planning stages.
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  • Profile picture of the author tianshi
    I've never used the Market Samurai tools myself, but I must say that it indeed looked like a very powerful tool for those wanting to get an edge over in the IM game.

    Sadly yes they do rely on Google Adwords and the such, and given that the Adwords tool seems to update itself rather frequently, it would make Market Samurai have to constantly revise the software in order to keep up with the changes and not have it broken. Like how it is now.
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  • Profile picture of the author cardine
    It is a shame that the end is near for Market Samurai when they've been such a big player in the SEO industry for a long time.

    The biggest issue is that they charged a flat fee; there is no way they could continue to pay for server costs and programming costs to keep on doing rank tracking without steady monthly revenue coming in every day. Which is unfortunately the case with almost any downloadable rank tracker (especially one that isn't using external servers).

    I am surprised at the increased difficulty in tracking SERPs, the way the SERP tracking I'm using is coded up we haven't faced any increased problems recently, still smooth sailing.
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    • Profile picture of the author david carr
      Originally Posted by cardine View Post

      The biggest issue is that they charged a flat fee; there is no way they could continue to pay for server costs and programming costs to keep on doing rank tracking
      I think that they have no need for server costs if it's a desktop ap why do they need everything to go through their servers at all! It should be a stand alone entity which uses the resources of the users computer not the companies hardware.

      Some rank trackers are having no problems, look at Magic rank tracker and Serp assist pro! they work independently of the maker and I know Magic rank tracker is fine and I know a couple of users of Serp alert and they are not reporting any problems!

      If they can do a limited number of searches then why can’t we do it all on our end with private proxy support?


      They could just build in a scheduler so it doesn’t do the searches all at once like it does now and spreads it out to look like a normal web searcher for those who don't want to use proxies.

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  • Profile picture of the author Mukul Verma
    Hey Warriors,

    Market Samurai has had some issues lately which is some bad news for features I use regularly from it.

    Here is a update on there blog -
    Noble Samurai

    If you’ve tried to launch and use Market Samurai in the last few days you’ll have noticed that there are large areas of functionality that are broken.



    What Happened?

    As you know, Market Samurai pulls data from dozens of different search data providers so that you have all the data you need in a single place to make the most informed decisions about your online marketing opportunities.

    In order to obtain this data we often need to perform large numbers of queries and searches through free services such as Google, Yahoo! or Bing on behalf of our users.

    For example, tracking the rankings for even a few keywords can require thousands of searches. By performing these queries on your behalf, using our servers, we saved you hours, days or sometimes even weeks of time compared with doing these queries by hand.

    Several days ago, Google made some significant technical changes to its services that make it impossible to reliably perform large volumes of free queries.

    As large portions of Market Samurai currently use Google’s service, this has temporarily broken a range of functionality in Market Samurai (and related products, including modules from Domain Samurai and Article Samurai – although the core syndication functionality in Article Samurai is unaffected).

    It’s also worth noting that most other SEO software has been affected in some way by these changes (eg. SEOQuake is currently broken as well).

    What We’re Doing About It…

    We’re working tirelessly around the clock to restore the vast majority of this functionality, and we estimate that most of the application will be functional within the next few days.

    As there is such a large amount of functionality that is currently built upon Google’s services, we’re prioritizing the high usage modules such as Keyword Research and SEO Competition, and then moving on to the other modules.

    What Are We Going to Use In Place of Google?

    It’s important to note that much of the data that we supply in Market Samurai could have easily been provided from other search engines. (eg. locating articles about “dog training” in our Find Content module).

    In these simple cases we’re going to just replace Google with Bing.

    As you know, Bing has made some big improvements in recent years and there are many who are saying that Bing’s algorithm produces more relevant results than Google for many keywords.

    As an SEO marketer, it is important to understand that Bing’s index is rapidly approaching the size of Google’s, and as they also power Yahoo!, they have rapidly grown to capture over 30% of the search queries in the US.

    But why is this important?

    The increased use of Bing as a search engine is important because competition metrics, such as SEOC (“SEO Competition”) and SEOTC (“SEO Title Competition”), measure the scarcity of keywords on the Internet. The idea behind keyword scarcity is that keywords that have a high scarcity are likely to be more useful keywords for your marketing campaign. A good candidate for a more detailed competition analysis, by using our SEO Competition module matrix, would be a keyword where there aren’t many pages on the Internet containing that keyword in the title or body of a page – i.e., keyword with a low SEOC/SEOTC value.

    These high-level competition “scarcity” numbers can also come from another search engine, as long as the index is of a comparative size to Google. We believe this is the case with Bing.

    It’s important to note that making a keyword decision based solely on a scarcity metric such as SEOC or SEOTC will provide poor results. It’s not a substitute for doing a detailed analysis by using the SEO Competition matrix and a backlink analysis.

    The scarcity metrics help us quickly filter out keywords that are highly likely to be TOO hard to rank for (because they have a lot of relevant content out there competing for rankings). They DON’T tell you that a keyword will be easy to rank for. (i.e. use these numbers only to disqualify tough keywords)

    Until this change is implemented, we’ve unfortunately had to introduce a manual check for SEOC values, similar to that for the SEOTC/SEOUC values. We understand that this is frustrating and time-consuming, but it was the only way we could keep this data available.

    Changes to Rank Tracker

    The module most affected by these Google changes will be the Rank Tracker module.

    The Bad News…
    With over 400,000 users now, tracking the ranks of your keywords on your behalf results in literally millions of Google searches every day. Google’s changes mean that it will be simply impossible for us to continue doing this on your behalf.

    Unlike Bing and Yahoo!, Google has no API (commercial or otherwise) which is suitable for tracking rankings. The APIs that do exist for Google often produce results that are significantly different from actual rankings, making them useless for SEO purposes.

    There are third-party companies that do have accurate APIs to Google, and we are currently in negotiations to get access to their data.

    The particular company that we are talking to provides the ranking data to major SEO tools such as the excellent Raven Tools product, for example.

    However, this data is expensive (Raven Tool’s cheapest plan costs $99 a month to track 1,000 keywords), and the underlying cost of ranking data is a large part of the reason for this price.

    We’ve evaluated many options and it seems, at this stage, that the only way for us to offer Google Rank Tracker functionality to our users is to buy this data.

    However, with a fixed-price product and so many users, it’s simply an economic impossibility to provide the same rank tracking functionality on an ongoing basis. In fact, it would cost us over $40,000 a day to purchase this data!

    So, we’re left with the difficult decision of having to pass this costs on to our users in some fashion (most likely a monthly paid service).

    Please know, if you’re an existing Market Samurai buyer we’ll try to keep this cost as low as possible. Potentially we will even try to offer a free level of service for a small number of keywords.

    Unfortunately, this change will take a while to implement, at least several weeks. So until that time you may need to check your rankings manually, or perhaps try the 30 day trial at Raven Tools until we can get the new version of Rank Tracker out the door.

    We’ll be releasing an updated version of the existing Rank Tracker module shortly, that will enable you to check a very small number of keyword rankings in Google (up to 10), by using your own connection rather than our servers to perform the searches. This is a temporary workaround until we can put a more permanent solution in place.

    The Good News…
    However, the news is not all bad. Rank Tracker has always been a very slow module to use due to the higher numbers of searches it requires.

    The new Rank Tranker module built on the paid API will enable us to check your rankings in the background from our servers each week, so that when you open Market Samurai, you’ll instantly be able to see your rankings report—instead of waiting upwards of 10–30 minutes to check all your keyword rankings.

    What To Do Next

    We know the implications of these recent Google changes are very disappointing and will cause some anger amongst our users.

    We understand this, and while we these changes are beyond our control, I want to apologize on behalf of the whole Noble Samurai team. We’re very grateful for the support of our customers over the years – you’re the reason we can do what we do! We deeply appreciate your patience through this difficult time.

    Our current estimate is that we’ll have the vast majority of Market Samurai’s functionality working again within the next few days. The revised Rank Tracker module may take us several weeks to fully implement, though you can still check small numbers of keywords manually in Rank Tracker, as well as checking Bing and Yahoo! as normal.

    Please be assured that as a small software development team, we understand that delivering great value is what keeps us alive and what built this business in the first place. When the dust has settled, we’re determined to do whatever it takes to ensure the investment you made to own Market Samurai is the best Internet Marketing investment you’ve made.

    However, if at any time you don’t think Market Samurai is worth your initial investment please contact our help desk for a partial or full refund—just be aware that our help desk has a high volume of tickets at the moment, so it may take a little longer than usual to get to your requests.

    Once again, I’m very sorry for the inconvenience that this has caused our customers.

    We’re working around the clock to get this fixed.

    Please leave any questions, concerns or encouragement (we could use a little bit right about now!) in the comments below.

    Yours sincerely,

    Eugene Ware
    CEO
    Noble Samurai
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    • Profile picture of the author colinph970
      sounds like excellent customer service as the big G has caused the problem. Note also they have offered a full refund to anyone who asks. can't say fairer than that.
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      • Profile picture of the author TBInternetMarketing
        Originally Posted by colinph970 View Post

        sounds like excellent customer service as the big G has caused the problem. Note also they have offered a full refund to anyone who asks. can't say fairer than that.
        Unfortunately this seems to be happening way too often though.
        I don't doubt their customer service for one second, but it starts to ware a little thin when you get emails like this every week from the apologizing.
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      • Profile picture of the author Venturetothetop
        Originally Posted by colinph970 View Post

        sounds like excellent customer service as the big G has caused the problem. Note also they have offered a full refund to anyone who asks. can't say fairer than that.
        Really? They only announced that it was Google causing the problem after a week of issues and keeping people on hold. A member of my mastermind group brought it only a few days ago whilst they were having issues.

        Not only that but they are still selling Market Samurai with original sales message - which focuses heavily on the importance of Google and a one time fee!

        I also asked a question as to where they got the '30% of users in USA use Bing' fact from, for which my comment disappeared... (I use Bing sporadically but often have to use Google again because Bing results are frustrating at times - and i assume that is the same with a large number of Bing users)

        This is not customer service - this is now damage control. I don't think they have been truly honest until they did not have a choice. Why they haven't changed their sales page immediately also perhaps adds strength to my opinion.

        I know lots of people love MS, but they clearly made some mistakes here.
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        • Profile picture of the author SUPER Louie
          Originally Posted by Venturetothetop View Post

          Really? They only announced that it was Google causing the problem after a week of issues and keeping people on hold. A member of my mastermind group brought it only a few days ago whilst they were having issues.

          Not only that but they are still selling Market Samurai with original sales message - which focuses heavily on the importance of Google and a one time fee!

          I also asked a question as to where they got the '30% of users in USA use Bing' fact from, for which my comment disappeared... (I use Bing sporadically but often have to use Google again because Bing results are frustrating at times - and i assume that is the same with a large number of Bing users)

          This is not customer service - this is now damage control. I don't think they have been truly honest until they did not have a choice. Why they haven't changed their sales page immediately also perhaps adds strength to my opinion.

          I know lots of people love MS, but they clearly made some mistakes here.
          I'm not trying to protect MS. In fact, I requested for a refund because I just purchased it a few days ago, and I can't work with it since I rely heavily on the Rank Tracker module.

          But if you are really not happy with MS, why not just ask for a refund? It says so in their CEO's letter that they issue refunds regardless of how many years you've purchased it.

          The 30% market share of Bing is revealed in many SEO Blogs. Here's a research done in November 2011 by comScore:
          comScore Releases November 2011 U.S. Search Engine Rankings - comScore, Inc

          Bing + Yahoo's market share is about 30%
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    • Profile picture of the author adplus
      This is disastrous. Not much more can be said about it.

      The Rank Tracker module is one I rely upon heavily, will Raven Tools be a suitable substitute. I'm happy to pay for that functionality alone.
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      • Profile picture of the author david carr
        Originally Posted by adplus View Post

        The Rank Tracker module is one I rely upon heavily, will Raven Tools be a suitable substitute. I'm happy to pay for that functionality alone.
        I to use the market samurai rank tracker heavily but with the outages in service I was forced to grab something else!

        I got Magic rank tracker and its a handy little tool. I've even been on skype today and talked with alex about how he can improve the software He is going to add in a report feature where users can export reports for clients and other little tweaks to make it more user friendly

        Not bad for a tiny 1 time payment. It doesnt use any of his resources so there wont be any problems like with market samurai rank tracker

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        • Profile picture of the author advertisethis
          Thanks for the heads up, Dave. I will probably be giving Magic Rank Tracker a shot. As of late, I'd already found Market Samurai alternatives to complete the other functions more quickly with less bugs/pauses -- with the exception of Market Samurai Rank Tracker's fairly quick results for the top 1,000 on multiple keywords.
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        • Profile picture of the author SUPER Louie
          Originally Posted by david carr View Post

          I to use the market samurai rank tracker heavily but with the outages in service I was forced to grab something else!

          I got Magic rank tracker and its a handy little tool. I've even been on skype today and talked with alex about how he can improve the software He is going to add in a report feature where users can export reports for clients and other little tweaks to make it more user friendly

          Not bad for a tiny 1 time payment. It doesnt use any of his resources so there wont be any problems like with market samurai rank tracker

          Regards
          Dave
          I bough Magic Rank Tracker, and I also recommend it. Although it does lack a few features that MS has, but I'm sure Alex will make upgrades to it.
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          • Profile picture of the author joetheseo
            And for KW research... Keyword Scout > Market Samurai any day of the week.
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            • Profile picture of the author SUPER Louie
              Originally Posted by joecrupie View Post

              And for KW research... Keyword Scout > Market Samurai any day of the week.
              I use KW Scout as well, and it's much faster than MS. My only problem is the competition analysis. It takes too long to load.
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    • Profile picture of the author cjbmeb14
      I think it is really bad MS always said before that any updates were free for life.
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    • Profile picture of the author outwest
      OK all you crybabies go get your refunds and stop saying, "why does MS do this and want to charge money when XYZ doesnt?
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      • Profile picture of the author joetheseo
        Or maybe instead of forcing customers to get a refund, a software development team should create an innovative way to track rankings that works for customers?

        If Magic rank tracker still works, it shouldn't be too hard. I honestly felt bad for the Market Samurai team, but now I'm questioning if it's really just a gimmick.

        I tried to search for "Google API changes" and everything related, and haven't been able to find any official update on the subject.

        Has anyone else?


        Originally Posted by outwest View Post

        OK all you crybabies go get your refunds and stop saying, "why does MS do this and want to charge money when XYZ doesnt?
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    • Profile picture of the author Tessa Holmes
      Google happens. It is difficult to like it, but there is only one solution - learn to deal with it. There is no way around.
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      • Profile picture of the author joetheseo
        Oh, "dealing with it" is actually quite easy. Apparently this little measly $27 software still works without any problems.

        Magic Rank Tracker (non-aff)

        But an advanced software development team cannot replicate this function (unless you want to pay $99/month for Raven Tools and only 1000 keywords.. total rip off).

        Sorry but something seems sketchy about this situation.

        Originally Posted by Tessa Holmes View Post

        Google happens. It is difficult to like it, but there is only one solution - learn to deal with it. There is no way around.
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        • Profile picture of the author outwest
          Originally Posted by joecrupie View Post

          Oh, "dealing with it" is actually quite easy. Apparently this little measly $27 software still works without any problems.

          Magic Rank Tracker (non-aff)

          But an advanced software development team cannot replicate this function (unless you want to pay $99/month for Raven Tools and only 1000 keywords.. total rip off).

          Sorry but something seems sketchy about this situation.

          amazing before you guys complained about the software doesnt work you want a refund

          now that you are getting refunds offered, you find another reason to complain
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            • Profile picture of the author joetheseo
              P.S. for anyone interested... Magic Rank Tracker only tracks 1 domain per project... Lol... Ya right. I have over 100 sites. ahahah This isn't going to work out as planned.
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              • Profile picture of the author outwest
                Originally Posted by joecrupie View Post

                P.S. for anyone interested... Magic Rank Tracker only tracks 1 domain per project... Lol... Ya right. I have over 100 sites. ahahah This isn't going to work out as planned.
                what a surprise
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          • Profile picture of the author joetheseo
            Wow bud, I think you should probably quit putting words in people's mouth. I'm not complaining over a petty little $97 I lost on Market Samurai.

            I've been in this game over 4 years, and losing a Ben Franklin is the least of my worries (In fact, I bought the software before you even registered on Warrior Forum, and will not be getting a refund.).

            My complaint is that I find it hard to believe that I can go to Google and manually check my rankings, and there is "no viable system" that can replicate this on a large scale, even with the use of private proxies.

            Originally Posted by outwest View Post

            amazing before you guys complained about the software doesnt work you want a refund

            now that you are getting refunds offered, you find another reason to complain
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            • Profile picture of the author outwest
              Originally Posted by joecrupie View Post

              Wow bud, I think you should probably quit putting words in people's mouth. I'm not complaining over a petty little $97 I lost on Market Samurai.

              I've been in this game over 4 years, and losing a Ben Franklin is the least of my worries (In fact, I bought the software before you even registered on Warrior Forum, and will not be getting a refund.).

              My complaint is that I find it hard to believe that I can go to Google and manually check my rankings, and there is "no viable system" that can replicate this on a large scale, even with the use of private proxies.

              MS are no dummies
              if there were a way to program software to track multiple kws, 1000s accurately I assure you they would be on top of it

              they have obviously been blocked somehow
              Its like you guys have this MS conspiracy theory
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              • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
                Originally Posted by outwest View Post

                Its like you guys have this MS conspiracy theory
                buddy just let it drop, I doubt anyone is happy with the changes, some will live with it and move on and others will cry a river, not worth stressing over.

                On another note it (MS) just made another massive upgrade when I opened it ? not really sure what they upgraded and some areas are still restricted etc.

                Good news is I managed to land some pages onto page one so the sun still shines when people get up the next day and life does continue to roll.
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            • Profile picture of the author Nicky Papers
              Originally Posted by joecrupie View Post

              My complaint is that I find it hard to believe that I can go to Google and manually check my rankings, and there is "no viable system" that can replicate this on a large scale, even with the use of private proxies.
              Agreed. Market Samurai had their moment in the sun. They were a good research tool but they were never what I considered to be a "rank tracker".

              It's sad they suggested their subscribers to use Raven Tools for rank tracking. Why not send them directly to Authority Labs? After all, Raven Tools is using Authority Lab's API for rank tracking.

              Additionally, Raven Tools updates weekly which is a far cry from being able to pull SERP data the same day which is something that Market Samurai was previously capable of.

              For rank tracking stick with Microsite Masters. For research stick with Ultimate Niche Finder if you're looking for a keyword research tool that does EXACTLY what MS does, minus the bugs and program crashes.

              I use both of those tools every day and I'm happy to say that I've turned my back on MS a long time ago. Simply put, there are better tools available to get the job done.
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            • Profile picture of the author rslaing
              Originally Posted by joecrupie View Post

              Wow bud, I think you should probably quit putting words in people's mouth. I'm not complaining over a petty little $97 I lost on Market Samurai.

              I've been in this game over 4 years, and losing a Ben Franklin is the least of my worries (In fact, I bought the software before you even registered on Warrior Forum, and will not be getting a refund.).

              My complaint is that I find it hard to believe that I can go to Google and manually check my rankings, and there is "no viable system" that can replicate this on a large scale, even with the use of private proxies.
              Precisely. The gripes about MS have got nothing to do with a measly 97 dollars. It's the hype behind the changes. It is obvious, keeping up with Google isn't difficult for people that know what they are doing, MS have just seen another opportunity to make a lot of money from the gullible existing buyers. Think about it - they have seen other software/service providers charging for the service they originally included in the purchase price so have jumped on the bandwagon. Personally, I just wish they were honest - I have an aversion to anyone taking the p*ss. And all of the affilates and brown-nosers posting to the MS blog are not helping, most of the blog comments look rather contrived, to say the least. I'm not saying this is necessarily the case, but just because MS plaster BETA all over their software does not mean they are not culpable for sucking thousands of buyers in to originally buying a product that now, does not do what they originally advertised in the hype that they PROMISED in their original squeeze pages. What we are seeing from MS is a pretty feeble attempt to manipulate an existing database and squeeze another revenue stream out of them - regardless of the sickly sweet rhetoric in their apologetic tripe they have published to cover their ass.
              I would look at any support from people for what MS are doing with extreme suspicion, they are probably affiliates or someone with a "vested interest". Lets face it, on the figures they have themselves published, if only a fifth of their buyers sign up for the new subs, it grosses them around 1 million dollars a year. IT STINKS. What we need to see is MS coming clean about this whole thing.
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              • Profile picture of the author rslaing
                Lets face it - any company that has had the sort of problems MS has had over the last 6 months with this software, and CONTINUES to sell it and take money from people even though they know it doesn't do what they claimed in their advertising, is not really a company that you should deal with. They should have shut down all purchases and come clean a lot earlier.
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    • Profile picture of the author outwest
      The new update the only difference I noticed is in the SEO
      the PR is not showing which I use all the time for analyzing backlinks PR
      hope they fix it soon
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    • Profile picture of the author Marvin Johnston
      Fortunately, I don't use Rank Checker.

      But I have had an issue with MS since I first bought it ... 5-8 minutes to load the program. When I contacted MS once when I first bought it, they didn't know the answer at that time. So I let it go and used it anyway.

      After finally deciding to put in another support ticket, they did find a solution and had me download a special version of MS that totally solved the problem.

      And this in the middle of the problems they are currently having.

      Count me as a satisfied user of MS. The bottom line is it still saves a LOT of time when doing research.

      Marvin
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    • Profile picture of the author outwest
      For SEO top 10 google analysis, I do not think that traffic travis beats MS
      i just dont
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    • Profile picture of the author outwest
      competition SEO analysis only takes me about 30 secs per kw on MS
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      KW research takes too long though I use google adwords tool for that
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    • Profile picture of the author adplus
      The Market Samurai guys are great. Nobody wanted this to happen, least of all them.

      If you think Raven Tools or going direct to Authority Labs is expensive then you just dont understand the resource demands of such services. It takes massive resources to do rank tracking properly.

      Some of the smaller programs mentioned in this thread are absolute rubbish.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sire
    I don't blame the guys at MS. It's not their fault Google continues to stuff them around. And if Google's changes are making it hard for them don't you think it's also stuffing up others in the same field?

    I have every faith in them and I believe that they will find away around whatever Googles done ti sutff them around.
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  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    The SEO module is 95 percent functional now
    thats all I ever used anyways

    the only thing not working is the PR .......................Indexed pages supposedly is not working but who uses that or cares about it? I dont

    You guys are crying like the sky is falling
    I dont believe it

    serps tracking? you guys actually track all those kws? that would drive me nuts
    I only use the SEO Function , thats almost fixed

    I think if MS were about to fold they would not have just done almost a complete revamp of the entire software which seems to be what is happening

    most companies about to fold just do nothing, start cleaing out their desks, dont respond to emails, and start packing up the bank accts and head out of town

    does that seem to you guys what is happening? I must have missed that
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  • Profile picture of the author FreeMeal
    It's a shame really. I used it mostly for the SERP checker. I think if enough people ask for the refund it could well see them off.
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  • Profile picture of the author trytolearnmore
    Well, it still does what i want it to do. I never found its Rank Tracker to be reliable anyway.
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    • Profile picture of the author KraKKo
      Market Samurai is back up now and kind of working, but using Bing data instead of Google as they said they would. One guy on this forum mentioned that Bing is more accurate or something, but the way I see it the only thing that really matters is where my website is on Google - I don't know anyone who actually uses Bing (of course, there are, but nowhere near as many).

      This is a pain in the arse because I'd just signed up for a trial of MS about 4 days ago. Thank God I didn't actually fork out the money to buy it until I know how this whole thing is going to pan out.

      I'm considering looking into other tools, any recommendations? Wish I could afford SECockpit as I've heard good things but it costs a fortune!!

      Does anyone know if other tools, such as Brad Callen's Niche Finder etc. have also been buggered up by these Google changes?
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  • Profile picture of the author dp40oz
    This is a bit ridiculous Market Samurai. If a human can still go through and search the rankings of every keyword then you can absolutely make a robot do it. I'd love someone with more knowledge of these recent Google changes chime in and tell me what exactly has changed so much. Why can most other software still track. I think this is pretty lame on their part.
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    • Profile picture of the author packerfan
      Originally Posted by dp40oz View Post

      This is a bit ridiculous Market Samurai. If a human can still go through and search the rankings of every keyword then you can absolutely make a robot do it. I'd love someone with more knowledge of these recent Google changes chime in and tell me what exactly has changed so much. Why can most other software still track. I think this is pretty lame on their part.
      The software has sucked for over a year. I have no idea why people use it. There are far better solutions for every single thing it does.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        I use 3 different rank trackers (just to make sure I'm giving accurate numbers to my clients), and none of them have had any problems, so I have no clue what the Market Samurai creators are talking about.

        To be honest, the rank tracking module stopped giving accurate results all the way back when Google Places appeared. Once that happened, it was giving all kinds of BS results. Took them months to integrate the Google Places listings into their results, but it still has not given accurate results since then.

        And the 400,000 users thing is probably including everyone who has ever taken the trial but did not buy it.
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        • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          I use 3 different rank trackers (just to make sure I'm giving accurate numbers to my clients), and none of them have had any problems, so I have no clue what the Market Samurai creators are talking about.
          If you read what they are talking about you would know that they do the rank tracking throughout their cloud rather than client side. This is to prevent a user from being blocked from Google - and the other people on the user's network. It makes the analysis faster. Because it is cloud based the IPs are getting blocked.

          Link Assistant's Rank Tracker is getting slower and slower as it waits for timeout penalties to lapse.
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          • Profile picture of the author joetheseo
            You can't seriously be implying that there is no viable client side option, you know that's not true.

            I'm fairly confident that my 130 Proxy Bonanza IP subscription would work fine for personal daily rank tracking, if there was a software that allowed such function.

            Originally Posted by Fraggler View Post

            If you read what they are talking about you would know that they do the rank tracking throughout their cloud rather than client side. This is to prevent a user from being blocked from Google - and the other people on the user's network. It makes the analysis faster. Because it is cloud based the IPs are getting blocked.

            Link Assistant's Rank Tracker is getting slower and slower as it waits for timeout penalties to lapse.
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      • Profile picture of the author dp40oz
        Originally Posted by packerfan View Post

        The software has sucked for over a year. I have no idea why people use it. There are far better solutions for every single thing it does.
        Im perfectly fine with switching. I need just rank tracking capabilities for Mac. I have windows parallels but I would prefer to use a program natively on my Mac like Market Samurai. Any ideas?
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        • Profile picture of the author packerfan
          Originally Posted by dp40oz View Post

          Im perfectly fine with switching. I need just rank tracking capabilities for Mac. I have windows parallels but I would prefer to use a program natively on my Mac like Market Samurai. Any ideas?
          Link-assistants Rank Tracker works on a Mac. I use it. I'm going to switch to an online program I think, but Rank Tracker is very good IMO.
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          • Profile picture of the author dp40oz
            Originally Posted by packerfan View Post

            Link-assistants Rank Tracker works on a Mac. I use it. I'm going to switch to an online program I think, but Rank Tracker is very good IMO.
            Just checked it out. Looks awesome. Do I need to use proxies with this program? I check rankings for about 20 websites a day so Im not sure if I will run into problems.
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          • Profile picture of the author SUPER Louie
            Originally Posted by packerfan View Post

            Link-assistants Rank Tracker works on a Mac. I use it. I'm going to switch to an online program I think, but Rank Tracker is very good IMO.
            Link Assistant's Rank tracker is pretty expensive. $97 just to track your rankings + hidden monthly fees.

            I also tried out Traffic Travis, but TT4 is very buggy.

            I tried a recommendation by David Carr, just a while ago, and I actually bought it. It's called Magic Rank Tracker. The price is very low, and it solved my needs. The interface isn't as flashy as market samurai, but hey, I'm not complaining.

            My only problem with Magic Rank Tracker though is that it's not able to check your rankings in the Top 200 - 1,000 results, which MS is capable of doing. And it's not capable of adding external URLs. But I'm sure they'll improve it in future updates.
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            • Profile picture of the author rslaing
              Originally Posted by Louie Sioco View Post

              Link Assistant's Rank tracker is pretty expensive. $97 just to track your rankings + hidden monthly fees.

              What are the hidden monthly fees?
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              • Profile picture of the author SUPER Louie
                Originally Posted by rslaing View Post

                What are the hidden monthly fees?
                For Rank Tracker only, it's around $7 per month. If you have the rest of the Suite, you're going to have to pay higher.

                http://www.link-assistant.com/rank-t...extension.html
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        • Profile picture of the author rslaing
          If other software can do it, so can they. it's simple, they are going to monthly subscription to rake even more money in. I've just had a look at the blog page which gives the reasons why they are doing it and it doesn't make any sense at all - except to the commenters sucking up to Eugene that are obviously hand picked. I have spoken to 7 other users who have Market Samurai, 5 have sent in scathing comments and he hasn't published one of them, he has obviously very carefully edited the blog so only the fools comments about how they all still think his product is fantastic regardless of them using Bing for results, no Rank Tracker facility, no cloud service so the user risks a ban etc etc etc are published. The blog just looks like another load of hype to back up MS and their justification to go monthly subs. Pathetic, and even worse is the fact they have still been selling it right through to now, even when it doesn't work. To me, that really tells us more about the company than anything else. They could have at least been honest. They obviously aren't (until after the event of course).
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    • Profile picture of the author outwest
      Try SEM rush thats only 80 bucks a month
      when push comes to shove rank tracking costs money
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      • Profile picture of the author david carr
        Originally Posted by outwest View Post

        Try SEM rush thats only 80 bucks a month
        when push comes to shove rank tracking costs money
        I beg to disagree Magic Rank Tracker is $27

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        • Profile picture of the author outwest
          Originally Posted by david carr View Post

          I beg to disagree Magic Rank Tracker is $27

          Regards
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          I Said Rank tracking costs money, I didnt say Magic Rank Tracker costs 80 bucks I said SEMrush costs 80 bucks

          basically I said any rank tracker that works is not free
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    • Profile picture of the author joetheseo
      Wait, so Magic Rank Tracker works, even after Market Samurai is broken?

      Something smells fishy about this situation... Why wouldn't MS just switch over the MRT algorithm / something similar?

      Mmmmhmm... - I'd be cool with a large 1 one time payment for rank tracking, but you'd have to be a fool to pay $99/month for only 1000 keywords.
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      • Profile picture of the author joetheseo
        Update: Magic Rank Tracker can apparently only check 1 domain per project... Ya definitely not going to work out. Welp, on to the next one
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    • Profile picture of the author JSProjects
      MS has been pretty terrible for awhile now, which is sad because I used to be a huge fan. This is just another one of their recent issues. If you read their most recent blog posts it seems like they are desperately starting to praise / tout Bing. Looks like they're going to shift some of their data from Google to Bing.

      And regarding the Rank Tracker module, all is not lost if you've got some proxies. Even lower quality public proxies should be OK as long as you've tested them and they're functional.
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      • Profile picture of the author outwest
        Originally Posted by JSProjects View Post

        MS has been pretty terrible for awhile now, which is sad because I used to be a huge fan. This is just another one of their recent issues. If you read their most recent blog posts it seems like they are desperately starting to praise / tout Bing. Looks like they're going to shift some of their data from Google to Bing.

        And regarding the Rank Tracker module, all is not lost if you've got some proxies. Even lower quality public proxies should be OK as long as you've tested them and they're functional.
        my free version of traffic travis gives no backlinks

        are you saying the free version of traffic travis gives PR and anchor text of backlinks? I highly doubt that
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      • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
        Originally Posted by JSProjects View Post

        Looks like they're going to shift some of their data from Google to Bing.
        It reads like they are going to use Bing to find content for the Find Content module and also for calculating their SEOC/T metrics. It won't change a whole lot to most people - The title of a web page doesn't change.

        Bing has an API while Google has nothing.

        Scroogle has been down a lot more often than usual the last few weeks so I'd say they are suffering the same issues the MS team is facing.

        PageRank, indexing and cache status are pretty much all Google is needed for.

        The (forced) change from Yahoo to Majestic SEO backlinks is one of the best changes MS has delivered in a long time. It makes backlink anaylsis super quick and more accurate.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
      Heres the latest update from the Market Samurai team.

      Looks like they're going to start charging us monthly to use the software.

      Noble Samurai

      Heres the same post, along with user comments.

      http://www.noblesamurai.com/blog/mar...2875/#comments
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      • Profile picture of the author MattCatania
        They claim to have 400,000 users... that's pretty amazing.

        Just say they get 5% of those users to pay the monthly fees at $47... that would be 20,000 users at $47 = $940,000/month.

        Of course the math is just pure speculation, but it's very, very possible.
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        • Profile picture of the author bobcarlsjr
          Originally Posted by MattCatania View Post

          They claim to have 400,000 users... that's pretty amazing.

          Just say they get 5% of those users to pay the monthly fees at $47... that would be 20,000 users at $47 = $940,000/month.

          Of course the math is just pure speculation, but it's very, very possible.
          they have stated somewhere 400k includes those who signed up for trial.. can't seem to find it now though
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      • Profile picture of the author trafficdial
        Quite possible, although if they were making that much coin it seems they would just eat the costs and not make a big deal out of it. Testing would be in order to see how responsive people are to paying higher fees, etc. but they make it sound like it's a pretty big deal...
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      • Profile picture of the author Bill_Z
        Their rank tracker was never any good. This just gives me an excuse to finally bite the bullet and start using something else. MS is simply not the answer for the amount of sites and keywords that I track anyway.
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        • Profile picture of the author bl4ck-dollar
          Originally Posted by Bill_Z View Post

          Their rank tracker was never any good. This just gives me an excuse to finally bite the bullet and start using something else. MS is simply not the answer for the amount of sites and keywords that I track anyway.
          Your absolutely right, I only ever used MS for that one purpose and the majority of the time it lied therefore giving my clients fake ranks!

          I'm 100% with you theres no way im shelling out for more disappointment. We payed for a service that was half assed, and worked 50% of the time. I guess we will all have to start using internet business promoter!
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      • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
        MS has definitely been the best software Ive used for IM purposes, however Ive just spent the past 6 months shooting a video training course, which outlines the benefits of the software, along with the fact that theres no ongoing fees.

        I guess it was bound to happen at some point but still.

        12 hours of videos, 250 pages of content.....

        FML
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        • Profile picture of the author Tech19
          Originally Posted by ramone_johnny View Post

          MS has definitely been the best software Ive used for IM purposes, however Ive just spent the past 6 months shooting a video training course, which outlines the benefits of the software, along with the fact that theres no ongoing fees.

          I guess it was bound to happen at some point but still.

          12 hours of videos, 250 pages of content.....

          FML
          Does the change really hurt your content that much? Obviously the training is still highly relevant and people will need it, monthly fee or not. Hopefully it won't be that hard to tweak, that's a lot of work man!
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          • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
            Originally Posted by Tech19 View Post

            Does the change really hurt your content that much? Obviously the training is still highly relevant and people will need it, monthly fee or not. Hopefully it won't be that hard to tweak, that's a lot of work man!
            Not sure yet. Ill have to go back over my videos and check.
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        • Profile picture of the author thebitbotdotcom
          Originally Posted by ramone_johnny View Post

          MS has definitely been the best software Ive used for IM purposes, however Ive just spent the past 6 months shooting a video training course, which outlines the benefits of the software, along with the fact that theres no ongoing fees.

          I guess it was bound to happen at some point but still.

          12 hours of videos, 250 pages of content.....

          FML
          Aw! That sucks, bro. Sorry to hear that.

          That's kind the problem with SEO and IM right now.

          Things are changing SO fast that products in these areas that many are outdated by the time they are finished.

          You're smart though, Johnny, you'll be OK
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      • Profile picture of the author Bill_Z
        Everything is still going to be functional instead of Rank Tracker so you should still be OK. And even with their Rank Tracker, as of now you can still use it for a small number of keywords. But in the future it sounds like if you need to use Rank Tracker heavily, you will need to pay more or monthly.
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      • Profile picture of the author Taniwha
        It must be hard having a product which is basically in the hands of a third party company (Google and soon to be Raven Tools).

        They could change in a heartbeat and lose everything.
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      • Profile picture of the author CharlesFords
        Oh, if they are going to charge monthly. Then i guess we better find a cheaper but good one to use..
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      • Profile picture of the author outwest
        They may have had 400k signups for free trials
        I highly doubt they have 400k paid users
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      • Profile picture of the author Ash R
        Ouch. I'm a MS user for kw-research purposes. But there are so many good kw-research programs out there now, I wouldn't stay on with an overpriced monthly subscription. And yeah, their rank tracker sucks!
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      • Profile picture of the author trytolearnmore
        Let's wait how much they will charge us per month. If we are lucky, maybe they will follow the SEO Spyglass' example and demand only $6-$7 per month.
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      • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
        The only module that they will be adding a monthly cost to is Rank Tracker - and probably a beefed up version at that. Everything else is as is.

        I'm suprised that so many people bought Market Samurai because of the rank tracker. It is fine for little projects but isn't adequate for regularly checking multiple projects.

        If you want accurate and thorough tracking of your sites you should be using Webmaster Tools anyway...
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    • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
      Hmm what's with all the ballers saying that $100/mo for 1000 keywords is crazy. That should be at most like 1% of your monthly income if you're tracking that many. Or you're delusional.

      Seriously, it saves me hours and hours of work every month. Is every SEO here broke? (only j/k)
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    • Profile picture of the author nzdealer
      I have been trying out all the rank trackers out there as I have to send reports to clients end of every month. tried sescout.com but that sucked and had too many down time. I only recently started using findmyrank.com and they are pretty good so far but its only been two weeks with them so need more time to test. 1 great thing is that there is proxy support on it so i am able to use Australian and New Zealand specific proxies.
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    • Profile picture of the author mosthost
      $38 million from selling Market Samurai? ROFL
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      • Profile picture of the author outwest
        Originally Posted by mosthost View Post

        $38 million from selling Market Samurai? ROFL
        i doubt they have that many PAID users, free trial maybe
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    • Profile picture of the author Sirr
      If anyone is knowledgable on how the working software gets its data I would be more than happy to put together a free solution that runs on Windows and Mac for the WF community.

      Pop me a PM if anyone is interested in working together.
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  • Profile picture of the author hotboy18
    I have been using Market Samurai for over a year and a half now and I can say that it's a wonderful tool. I understand that they are having difficulties with functionality due to Google's recent changes but it normal for any software to go through this. I think the staff will work hard to get this program up and running to get things back to normal. On the other hand, I don't agree paying a monthly fee for a rank tracking service and I hope there is a free fix for this. I believe Market Samurai will be back better than ever when the team gets things straighten out but I despise paying any more money for it.
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  • Profile picture of the author zaco
    I think the best solution is to make a separate cloud, we add the keywords and they show us the results on 3 days period , so basically they can do the search as slowly as possible on their end and we see the updates once a week or twice , that would be the ideal solution.. they can ask the owners to pay a one time fee so they can build this system..I wouldn't mind paying a one time fee.
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  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    If you guys dont like paying a monthly fee for rank tracking
    go find a free alternative? there isnt one
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    • Profile picture of the author rslaing
      Originally Posted by outwest View Post

      If you guys dont like paying a monthly fee for rank tracking
      go find a free alternative? there isnt one
      Who cares? Most people don't mind paying for one that actually WORKS..........
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      • Profile picture of the author outwest
        Originally Posted by rslaing View Post

        Who cares? Most people don't mind paying for one that actually WORKS..........
        there are plenty that cost money that work, go find them

        stop thinking MS rank tracking will work for free
        that ship has sailed
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        • Profile picture of the author rslaing
          Originally Posted by outwest View Post

          there are plenty that cost money that work, go find them

          stop thinking MS rank tracking will work for free
          that ship has sailed
          Maybe. But the ship that has sailed has plenty of money onboard, having originally promised plenty that turned out to be not true. Give it a rest, we've been stiffed, no doubt. Why are you continuing to defend the indefensible? Any normal person would be concerned about being ripped..........
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  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    So you spent 100 bucks? So what?
    So it doesnt track 1000 kws any more for you, for FREE

    so it has a few bugs

    It still works great for analyzing google top 10 , thats what many many people use it for

    Just because you feel gypped, ? you want the rest of the board to do what? have a group cry?
    So you lost 100 bucks? First of all I think most of you have gotten 100 bucks in value from the software. IMO there is nothing else out there that does what it does. If there were, I would buy it.


    If you feel that gypped go file a class action suit against them,

    Do something, instead of fill the board with your garbage whining posts
    I know I certainly am getting tired of it

    You guys must live with your parents or something thats the only explanation I can think of
    Hell I remember a few years back I lost 10,000 dollars trying to start an adult online chat site

    sh*t happens,
    You have never lost money before, or owned a business before, thats my only guess
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    • Profile picture of the author packerfan
      I'd agree with the stop the whining part. The software sucks, has for over a year, and people need to realize there are better tools to everything that it does.
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    • Profile picture of the author outwest
      Christ I have lost countless money left and right over the years, 1000s of dollars 10s of thousands of dollars

      if you are in business, its part of everyday life, vendors dont deliver as promised
      MOVE ON, ..........................whining about it, just irritates everyone around you.

      ANY BUSINESS LOSES MONEY or makes decisions that dont work out, every day
      we just have to try to minimize the chances of it happening
      dont expect it to never happen
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      • Profile picture of the author Valera
        Yeah, I can second that, good software COMES and GOES and typically, when buying software you are willingly taking the risk, knowing that it may not work out for you, or eventually something will stop working if they dont have an advanced and dedicated team of coders that will fix things ASAP.

        I can assure you, there is some great software out there, but not all of it gets regular updates due to either laziness or lack of skill and dedicated support teams of coders.

        Anywho, just move on, something new will come along, work for awhile and S#$t itself, and life goes on...
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    • Profile picture of the author tjcreation
      When Market Samurai came out it was stated that what was being sold was a beta product. Anyone buying a beta needs to go into it understanding that the final product may not be what you purchased in the first place. I own it, have gotten a ton of use out of it, and expect to still get use from it once they get it fixed up again. -shrug-
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    • Profile picture of the author outwest
      with how much you guys cry about MS, I would hate to see what would happen to you in your life if something SERIOUS, really happened in your life

      I had a court case in one of my offline businesses this year which cost me 30,000 dollars, it was a frivolous BS case but still had to pay the money for attorneys etc. Was it fair? NOPE. but its part of the BS of life sometimes, I must just move on

      At least my family is healthy, nobody is paralyzed, kidnapped, in a car accident, etc.

      Count your blessings, thats the way I try to look at life.

      Do you still have your parents? Go kiss your mom and Dad today if you are close
      I lost my dad in 2009. I miss you dad
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      • Profile picture of the author Tessa Holmes
        It is still pretty good software. I definitely worth money I paid for it. Do you know any company which paid some time ago for Windows XP license? Guess what - this company had to pay for Windows Vista or Windows 7 later. Just normal software life-cycle.
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      • Profile picture of the author Valera
        Originally Posted by outwest View Post

        with how much you guys cry about MS, I would hate to see what would happen to you in your life if something SERIOUS, really happened in your life

        I had a court case in one of my offline businesses this year which cost me 30,000 dollars, it was a frivolous BS case but still had to pay the money for attorneys etc. Was it fair? NOPE. but its part of the BS of life sometimes, I must just move on

        At least my family is healthy, nobody is paralyzed, kidnapped, in a car accident, etc.

        Count your blessings, thats the way I try to look at life.

        Do you still have your parents? Go kiss your mom and Dad today if you are close
        I lost my dad in 2009. I miss you dad
        I truly feel for you man!

        And I agree, those that like to whine and complain need to really harden up and take it on the chin, life throws unexpected trouble your way all the time, and something as silly as spending $100 on something that has turned out to suck in the end is not going to be your first and by far not going to be your last $100 you waste.

        Internet marketing world is huge, and its full of crap.

        The only way to weed your way through it all is by trial and error and yes, it will cost you money!

        I spend about 11k on developing my own softwares, scripts, themes and plugins and so on, never sold any of it and still working on things that may never make me money, but hey, i learned a lot along the way and be it that I spent 11k on elance, I got ALOT of experience out of it on human resources management and management of projects in general

        Just get used to it, suck it up and move on, thats the only way you will reach success.

        If MS does not work for you, just LET IT BE and move on to something new if you must.
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    • Profile picture of the author outwest
      Ok there MS is now offering refunds

      All you crybabies go get your refunds
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    • Profile picture of the author outwest
      I wonder the people crying BOUT MS, how you analyze google top 10?
      MS is wonderful for that even if it didnt include a kw tracker

      what are you now going to use to analyze google top 10 competition? if you get a refund?
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    • Profile picture of the author Valera
      Actually, I never bother analyzing the top 10 at all usually, what i do is look at top 3, what links they have, PR etc, can be done quick enough manually and I use my PERSONAL judgement based on what I see whether or not I can outrank them.

      If you know how internet marketing and SEO works in general, Your BRAIN is your best IM tool, mark my words.
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    • Profile picture of the author TBInternetMarketing
      Originally Posted by outwest View Post

      So you spent 100 bucks? So what?
      So it doesnt track 1000 kws any more for you, for FREE

      so it has a few bugs

      It still works great for analyzing google top 10 , thats what many many people use it for

      Just because you feel gypped, ? you want the rest of the board to do what? have a group cry?
      So you lost 100 bucks? First of all I think most of you have gotten 100 bucks in value from the software. IMO there is nothing else out there that does what it does. If there were, I would buy it.


      If you feel that gypped go file a class action suit against them,

      Do something, instead of fill the board with your garbage whining posts
      I know I certainly am getting tired of it

      You guys must live with your parents or something thats the only explanation I can think of
      Hell I remember a few years back I lost 10,000 dollars trying to start an adult online chat site

      sh*t happens,
      You have never lost money before, or owned a business before, thats my only guess

      Ha ha..yea I see what you mean. I'm kinda over it, but it just used to be such an awesome tool. It's more sadness, then complaining from my side.
      But year, I see what you mean. Currently there are 5 posts on the first page here complaining about MS.
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    • Profile picture of the author CharlesFords
      That's really a bad news about Market Samurai. To those who purchased it.
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    • Profile picture of the author dunmo
      I think it works good but not best as it had been marketed.
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    • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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      Originally Posted by outwest View Post

      So you spent 100 bucks? So what?
      So it doesnt track 1000 kws any more for you, for FREE

      so it has a few bugs

      It still works great for analyzing google top 10 , thats what many many people use it for

      Just because you feel gypped, ? you want the rest of the board to do what? have a group cry?
      So you lost 100 bucks? First of all I think most of you have gotten 100 bucks in value from the software. IMO there is nothing else out there that does what it does. If there were, I would buy it.


      If you feel that gypped go file a class action suit against them,

      Do something, instead of fill the board with your garbage whining posts
      I know I certainly am getting tired of it

      You guys must live with your parents or something thats the only explanation I can think of
      Hell I remember a few years back I lost 10,000 dollars trying to start an adult online chat site

      sh*t happens,
      You have never lost money before, or owned a business before, thats my only guess
      And yet, here you are b*tching about something that costs YOU nothing: other people's posts, lol.

      Too too funny.
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      • Profile picture of the author outwest
        Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat View Post

        And yet, here you are b*tching about something that costs YOU nothing: other people's posts, lol.

        Too too funny.
        am I bitching about Market Samurai? Nope
        I am telling the crybabies to move on
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        • Profile picture of the author rslaing
          Originally Posted by outwest View Post

          am I bitching about Market Samurai? Nope
          I am telling the crybabies to move on
          Stop whining and bitching about people whining then. People are free to make their opinion too, and making a thread to whine about them is stupid.
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    • Profile picture of the author danlew
      I have Market Samurai, but should I be concerned for that? As a customer, yes. But not when it comes to whining. I really hope that MS could solve these problems as soon as possible, but I'm not in a rush anyway. There are still alternatives that could keep my engines going.
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    • Profile picture of the author bmcgoff
      Geez, why so angry at people for being upset? It's one thing to say "move on" and another to brag about how much money you've lost all day. I think it's fair for people, especially people new to the game who don't have much to invest and just bought MS, to be upset about it.

      Let them whine...it's doesn't affect anyone else.
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      • Profile picture of the author outwest
        Originally Posted by bmcgoff View Post

        Geez, why so angry at people for being upset? It's one thing to say "move on" and another to brag about how much money you've lost all day. I think it's fair for people, especially people new to the game who don't have much to invest and just bought MS, to be upset about it.

        Let them whine...it's doesn't affect anyone else.
        brag ?
        I am real proud yup, can I lose 100k next year and "brag about it"


        get a clue
        nobody likes to lose money. I was by posting how much I got shafted by attorneys fees..to illustrate everything is relative.
        ?

        Get real
        businesses lose money every day. Vendors dont pay, people file lawsuits, prices of materials labor etc go up. laws get passed.. Thats just business

        Losing money is just part of the game. Dont let 100 bucks get you down. I am sure if you just wait you will be guaranteed to lose way more than that , by one way or another. in some business.

        Part of the game
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    • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
      MS is STILL good software but it shouldn't be the only software you use. I also use Niche Finder and of course Google's own keyword tool. So Noble Samurai has to start charging a minimal monthly fee because they needed to use a third party to track rank because GOOGLE is apparently doing their best to be evil to us marketers. So what? It is not like you have to use the Rank Tracker (Serp Alert Pro works fine for this). For the one time feel I paid, it is and continues to be a mainstay in my toolbox. Something else most that whine don't do: remember that it is more than keyword/competition research. It does a whole lot more and they routinely update it. Thanks Outwest for this thread.
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    • Profile picture of the author Nero Arcnumé
      I can understand people getting frustrated. What I don't understand though, is how their frustration can affect you? Especially in such a way that you need to create a thread about it. Surely there are better ways to spend your time.
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      • Profile picture of the author outwest
        Originally Posted by Nero Arcnumé View Post

        I can understand people getting frustrated. What I don't understand though, is how their frustration can affect you? Especially in such a way that you need to create a thread about it. Surely there are better ways to spend your time.
        Every 5th thread was someone about to commit suicide about MS screwing them

        Since I posted this thread
        no more new crybaby threads have been posted.

        They all chose to vent their crying in this thread

        Here is a tissue
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      • Profile picture of the author bmcgoff
        Originally Posted by Nero Arcnumé View Post

        I can understand people getting frustrated. What I don't understand though, is how their frustration can affect you? Especially in such a way that you need to create a thread about it. Surely there are better ways to spend your time.
        Yeah...outwest, you have way too much time on your hands. It's like your mission to stop people from complaining about MS.
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    • Profile picture of the author mosthost
      If WarriorForum said it costs $99 month to post suddenly, Outwest would be bitching about it
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      • Profile picture of the author Mark Bradley
        There seems to be too much heat and not enough
        light coming out of this thread!

        This forum has in excess of 20,000 users and every
        type of personality therein,so you're always going
        to get people expressing their point of view,whether
        or not you feel it's legitimate...c'est la vie.

        Sometimes it's better just to acknowledge things and
        move on.

        P.S. just for the record I paid $147 for MS a few years
        ago,got my moneys worth out of it.
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    • Profile picture of the author outwest
      There was like 20 threads screeching about Market samurai I LOST MONEY IT DOESNT WORK THEY SCREWED ME

      I told the crybabies to shut up,
      apparently that doesnt sit well with them

      Apparently their motto is

      "dammit I am a crybaby let me cry"
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    • Profile picture of the author jimmyn
      Not a big fan of either markets or samurais but they don't really offend me at all. You get good examples of each.

      Though i've been to many markets but never met a samurai so i probably prefer markets.
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  • Profile picture of the author tjcreation
    If they can stabilize the software it would be great. I've gotten a ton of use out of it over the 6 months or so that I've had it -- when it worked. There were many weeks it just didn't work well and then they'd do an update and it would work again. I've come to learn not to rely on it anyway.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chicago87
    Does this affect Traffic Travis as well?
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  • Profile picture of the author skendrick
    I suspect that this affects all keyword apps that rely on Google. What about Longtail Pro?
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    I almost purchased this tool. glad I didn't.
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    • Profile picture of the author outwest
      Originally Posted by gearmonkey View Post

      I almost purchased this tool. glad I didn't.


      most of the people complaining are trying to use the rank checker
      that is not functional now I guess. Problem is there is nothing else on the market that is a one time charge that will do this. they all charge monthly fees. Now Market Samurai has to switch to monthly fees for rank checker so people are screaming their heads off.


      kw rank checking = nope

      The reason I love MS is the SEO function ranking google top 10

      top ten google competition
      = still cant find anything better on the market
      it gives me all the date in 30 secs per kw, (try to beat that) I have been using it 6 months
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  • Profile picture of the author danlew
    If you think Market Samurai is the only SEO tool you can rely on, you're wrong. But I hope that MS will solve some problems that the customers are experiencing right now. There are tons of SEO tools you can count on, and other new and innovative tools are upcoming as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author bmcgoff
    It's funny how their message to their users is pretty much "Well we still have Bing...". Thanks, MS. For those of you who are new to IM and just bought MS, sorry. That sucks. For the rest of us, it was definitely worth $97 but it's a shame to see it go.
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    • Profile picture of the author JSProjects
      Originally Posted by bmcgoff View Post

      It's funny how their message to their users is pretty much "Well we still have Bing...". Thanks, MS. For those of you who are new to IM and just bought MS, sorry. That sucks. For the rest of us, it was definitely worth $97 but it's a shame to see it go.
      I was a little annoyed when I saw that in their blog post.

      MS used to be my #1 research tool. But to be honest, you can replicate its features and at a much faster speed with the Google Keyword Tool, Excel, and the free version of Traffic Travis.
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      • Profile picture of the author outwest
        Originally Posted by JSProjects View Post

        I was a little annoyed when I saw that in their blog post.

        MS used to be my #1 research tool. But to be honest, you can replicate its features and at a much faster speed with the Google Keyword Tool, Excel, and the free version of Traffic Travis.
        since when does free version of traffic travis give PR of backlinks? anchor text of backlinks? Hell I cant even get it to pull up ANY backlinks, O,O,O,O,O,O,O,O,O
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
          Originally Posted by outwest View Post

          since when does free version of traffic travis give PR of backlinks? anchor text of backlinks? Hell I cant even get it to pull up ANY backlinks, O,O,O,O,O,O,O,O,O
          Oh please. MS does a lousy job of giving useful backlink data too.
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          • Profile picture of the author outwest
            Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

            Oh please. MS does a lousy job of giving useful backlink data too.
            So you dont answer my question then? free version of TT sucks, dont act like it can replace MS

            giving backlinks as just ............this site has 1000 backlinks, means absolutely nothing

            if you dont know the PR and anchor text of the backlinks why bother?

            MS is designed to give these factors on the SEO analysis
            TT free version? no chance
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            • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
              Originally Posted by outwest View Post

              So you dont answer my question then? free version of TT sucks, dont act like it can replace MS

              giving backlinks as just ............this site has 1000 backlinks, means absolutely nothing

              if you dont know the PR and anchor text of the backlinks why bother?

              MS is designed to give these factors on the SEO analysis
              TT free version? no chance
              MS and TT are both garbage for analyzing competition. Is that better?

              At least TT is free though.

              The PR and anchor text of the backlinks on its own is not very useful information. A site could have 1000 PR 3+ backlinks with anchor text. In MS that might look impressive. When you take a look at them though, you might find that they all come from pages with over 500 OBL, meaning it is nothing but a spammy backlink profile.

              So you just skipped over a niche that might have been a lot easier to rank for than you though.
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              • Profile picture of the author outwest
                Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                MS and TT are both garbage for analyzing competition. Is that better?

                At least TT is free though.

                The PR and anchor text of the backlinks on its own is not very useful information. A site could have 1000 PR 3+ backlinks with anchor text. In MS that might look impressive. When you take a look at them though, you might find that they all come from pages with over 500 OBL, meaning it is nothing but a spammy backlink profile.

                So you just skipped over a niche that might have been a lot easier to rank for than you though.
                at least you know how many backlinks have your anchor text, with MS, I suppose now you are going to say they get the anchor text wrong?
                unlike TT
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                • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                  Originally Posted by outwest View Post

                  at least you know how many backlinks have your anchor text, with MS, I suppose now you are going to say they get the anchor text wrong?
                  unlike TT
                  No. I'm saying I wouldn't use either one for analyzing any kind of backlink data.
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                  • Profile picture of the author outwest
                    Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                    No. I'm saying I wouldn't use either one for analyzing any kind of backlink data.
                    What would you use?
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            • Profile picture of the author KraKKo
              Well folks, any news on the alternatives? I haven't used any other tools but a few other people have been asking if Traffic Travis, BC's Niche Finder or any of the others are affected, anyone know?

              I'd love to be able to fork out for SECockpit as I've heard great things about it but sadly I'm not bourgeois enough to be able to afford the monthly cost at the moment!

              Some of you have mentioned that there are good alternatives, what would you recommend having a look at? There are too many to choose from!
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  • Profile picture of the author sycme
    I suspect the problem w MS is more of a design flaw w the software than it is googles problem. the biggest hangup with MS is that they never had proxy and de-capcha functionality.

    Other apps that I use for rank tracking still work just fine bc they incorporate proxies and can blow through captchas w/o a problem.

    the first sign MS was about to blow up was several months ago when they started requiring you to update SEOC data one by one (and entering captchas) whereas it used to grab everything at once.

    the user base picked up on this right away and requested added functionality to utilize decaptcha services which MS ignored and came back with excuses as to why they wouldnt do it.

    the real reason they wouldnt do it is because MS is coded in adobe air which is an illogical choice of language for an app the size of MS. There also arent any decaptcha services that have an API for adobe air.

    for MS to work properly, they would have to get rid of the idea that they can store google data on their servers to then pass onto the user as well as rewrite the app in a language other than adobe air.

    there's a couple of problems with MS's response to the loss of functionality:
    1: using a BING for SEOC data is a total joke. Yes, bing usage has ticked up but its NOTHING compared to google usage (i cant post links bc of my post count but do a google search for "search engine market share") regardless if their results are more accurate for keyword searches

    2: the notion that no one has an API for google is a joke as well:
    "Unlike Bing and Yahoo!, Google has no API (commercial or otherwise) which is suitable for tracking rankings. The APIs that do exist for Google often produce results that are significantly different from actual rankings, making them useless for SEO purposes."

    "There are third-party companies that do have accurate APIs to Google, and we are currently in negotiations to get access to their data."

    the 2nd quote contradicts the first. also the APIs that do work properly are merely implementations of the already existing google API's (google search "google api")

    basically, MS got caught with their pants down then the tide went out. **and it was avoidable**

    MS was a great tool but the writing was on the wall months ago. what MS says publicly vs what they "know" are two different things entirely. I'm laughing at all the people saying that they handled this situation so well as in reality they have been mishandling it for months.
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  • Profile picture of the author mosthost
    It seems likely Google really doesn't want search data being scraped and then sold to people via a third party.

    They might consider that 'brand damaging,' especially if they're charging others for data through an API. It's unreasonable to expect this many queries go unnoticed.

    Google isn't really giving that much away free these days, especially keyword research data. I assume they would prefer people got their keyword data by purchasing Google Adwords.
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    • Profile picture of the author sycme
      Originally Posted by mosthost View Post

      It seems likely Google really doesn't want search data being scraped and then sold to people via a third party.
      nah google doesnt care at all actually. Google DOES care about spam and attempts to circumvent how it ranks pages... which is why backlinks from article sites now hurt your rankings.

      the more people that use goog data the more traffic goog gets the larger their market share the more $$ they make.

      the worse the quality of content (ie spun crap posted on article sites) being ranked or used to rank pages the more people will use another search engine. Google obviously knows the majority of crap pages are posted by people in IM community which are also the people that hurt the quality of goog as a whole.

      they can very easily see how the IM community is pulling data and then change how they disseminate data. This they will do bc there is a very high correlation between how bulk data is pulled and garbage content.

      like i mentioned above, the change required from the software side is to pull data like a human vs a robot. tools already exist to do this and have for some time.

      currently its actually EASIER to rank pages right now with google than it was before since they've taken steps to prevent the IM community from using point and click tools to pull data and post garbage on sites
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  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    Do you guys who understand what just happened to MS with their abilities to track etc
    think that
    they will get the PR functionality back with SEO function?

    they lost this when Yahoo Site explorer went belly up
    then they got it back and I used it for about 2 wks right up until the last few days when everyone started complaining

    do you think this will come back? its not rank tracking for kws just PR of sites and PR of backlinks?
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    This is why it is so important to never rely on only one tool or only one method of doing anything online.

    Things are always changing.
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  • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
    Here's my thing: I've been using Domain Match Pro and was getting a whole lot of "no" when looking for exact match. So, I switched over to Google's Public DNS. Not only did that solve the issue, everything including MS and all its functionality is MUCH faster. As in I can't believe I didn't do this sooner. Rank Tracker non-withstanding, if you find MS slow, try switching to Google's DNS. The difference is night and day.
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  • Profile picture of the author SEOtraveler
    guys, the problem is NOT with google, the problem is with marketing samurai, don't you realize? don't be so gullible.

    link-assistant's rank tracker i'm using is working just fine. so are the other tools mentioned here. i mean, c'mon!

    @outwest,
    you are outright outrageous, man. calling dissatisfied customers "cry babies" is just... unethical, man. karma is a b..tch and i really hope it gets back to you.

    amen
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    • Profile picture of the author cardine
      Originally Posted by SEOtraveler View Post

      guys, the problem is NOT with google, the problem is with marketing samurai, don't you realize? don't be so gullible.

      link-assistant's rank tracker i'm using is working just fine. so are the other tools mentioned here. i mean, c'mon!
      Agreed. There are no other rank tracking sites that I know of that have been having problems besides MarketSamurai. The issue is on their end, not on Google's end.
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      • Profile picture of the author SUPER Louie
        Originally Posted by cardine View Post

        Agreed. There are no other rank tracking sites that I know of that have been having problems besides MarketSamurai. The issue is on their end, not on Google's end.
        I found that weird as well. But the customer support assured me that I don't need to pay anything from my $97, which means that the monthly thing is only optional if you want the Rank Tracker module.
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  • Profile picture of the author webbabe
    I have to agree with SEOtraveler, I also believe the problem lies with Marketing Samurai,
    it is said they made a strategic error in the early stages of development when designing the architecture of the software. And this now causes this problem, no relation with Google; I second that I also have other tools showing no problems at all with what MS claims to be the problem.

    Nevertheless this knowledge doesn't help us getting MS working again and their switch to Bing is an emergency move imo which I am not happy with at all.
    Unfortunately lost my faith and money with MS.

    Any suggestions for a reliable and simular AIR app?
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  • Profile picture of the author richrich123
    Here is an email i have just got from Link Assisatant. i was just evaluating the MS free trial when it started crashing. i am so glad this happened today as I was about to but it this week!!!!

    Hi Richard,

    We're getting 100s of worried requests from users so we decided to explain this web rumor.

    Rumors of a drastic Google algo change started spreading after another SEO software house officially announced their software stopped working with Google. What Market Samurai told us is, "Several days ago, Google made some significant technical changes to its services" which made it impossible to work with.

    Now hundreds of ex-customers of Market Samurai and our own users write to our support: Is SEO PowerSuite working? Is it safe to buy SEO PowerSuite license now when other tools are failing to work?

    The answer is YES, your software is working and will work with all search engines (Google as well, until the end of Google.) We are able to guarantee that SEO PowerSuite is the safest SEO software to invest in.

    So - right, SEO PowerSuite keeps working. The thing is, what is proclaimed a Google's technical change doesn't look so and has never been confirmed by anyone outside Market Samurai team. Our team of search engines experts confirms no changes to Google algos - and the speaking evidence for that is the seamlessly working SEO Powersuite

    No other reasons for Market Samurai's software failure have ever been officially named. However, more realistic reasons were suggested by their former users, assumed by many SEOs on all kind of Internet forums - and never commented on by the Samurai representatives. So the actual reasons for the fail are assumable and lie in a strategic error at the early stage of designing the software architecture. Our experts say, the estimate of fixing such error to restore an SEO tool to a fully working condition is about half a year.

    Seeing that now Samurai is planning to switch to Bing instead of Google, we assume the estimate is right.

    So let us once again disprove the rumor: Google made no changes and nothing happened to it at all. More to that, whenever changes to Google happen in the future, SEO PoweSuite will keep working seamlessly.
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    • Profile picture of the author SUPER Louie
      I just got a software update from Market Samurai today. It seems that Rank Tracker is working again. I tried updating my rankings but they've set it to limit the Top 100 results only.

      Still works though. I cancelled my refund, and decided to stick around and see what happens.

      Market Samurai has been updated to restore functionality to a number of services.

      PageRank Analysis in the SEO Competition module remains unavailable, and Google rank data in the Rank Tracker module is now available with service limitations.

      We will return to full service as soon as we are able.
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    • Profile picture of the author rslaing
      Originally Posted by richrich123 View Post

      Here is an email i have just got from Link Assisatant. i was just evaluating the MS free trial when it started crashing. i am so glad this happened today as I was about to but it this week!!!!
      Hi Richard,

      We're getting 100s of worried requests from users so we decided to explain this web rumor.

      Rumors of a drastic Google algo change started spreading after another SEO software house officially announced their software stopped working with Google. What Market Samurai told us is, "Several days ago, Google made some significant technical changes to its services" which made it impossible to work with.

      Now hundreds of ex-customers of Market Samurai and our own users write to our support: Is SEO PowerSuite working? Is it safe to buy SEO PowerSuite license now when other tools are failing to work?

      The answer is YES, your software is working and will work with all search engines (Google as well, until the end of Google.) We are able to guarantee that SEO PowerSuite is the safest SEO software to invest in.

      So - right, SEO PowerSuite keeps working. The thing is, what is proclaimed a Google's technical change doesn't look so and has never been confirmed by anyone outside Market Samurai team. Our team of search engines experts confirms no changes to Google algos - and the speaking evidence for that is the seamlessly working SEO Powersuite

      No other reasons for Market Samurai's software failure have ever been officially named. However, more realistic reasons were suggested by their former users, assumed by many SEOs on all kind of Internet forums - and never commented on by the Samurai representatives. So the actual reasons for the fail are assumable and lie in a strategic error at the early stage of designing the software architecture. Our experts say, the estimate of fixing such error to restore an SEO tool to a fully working condition is about half a year.

      Seeing that now Samurai is planning to switch to Bing instead of Google, we assume the estimate is right.

      So let us once again disprove the rumor: Google made no changes and nothing happened to it at all. More to that, whenever changes to Google happen in the future, SEO PoweSuite will keep working seamlessly.


      So, it may be the case that all of the WHINERS might have been correct eh? OUTWEST - You've gone very quiet................ So, as we all thought, there could be more to this than the MS bootlickers have tried to justify. As we thought, it looks, on the basis of this reply from another REPUTABLE company with a similar service, nothing has changed with anything at Google, at least nothing that can't be handled. It looks like MS have made a major mistake with their product, might not be telling the full story, and are going to charge for a service that they originally promised was part of the deal. I reckon there could be a lot more crawling out of the woodwork about this, very soon. As I said originally, I don't care about 97 dollars - I just don't like being taken for a mug.

      I haven't had my moneys worth because MS has never fully worked for me since I bought it 8 months ago. I may not ask for a refund either and just put it down to another expensive lesson learned about a useless WSO that doesn't live up to the hype spun by them, and their affiliates.

      I've just had another look at their blog - it still only contains, in the main, a load of comments that are not balanced (that means, contrived and questionable in their origin). They must be very concerned................
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      • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
        Originally Posted by rslaing View Post

        I haven't had my moneys worth because MS has never fully worked for me since I bought it 8 months ago. I may not ask for a refund either and just put it down to another expensive lesson learned about a useless WSO that doesn't live up to the hype spun by them, and their affiliates.
        The software has worked fully so the problem may be elsewhere. They have a long history of fixing problems fast so I would like to know what problems you've had that have lasted for 8 months.

        It isn't a WSO and I would take a guess that it's one of the most recommended pieces of software for affiliate marketer's and other SEOs on this forum - and many others.

        I still can't believe how upset people are over a rank tracker -a tiny almost irrelevant part- not working... The emotional attachment people seem to have shows that the software if well liked and used often. Hardly useless.

        Link Assistants SEO Power Suite is nothing like Market Samurai so I can't see how it's an alternative except for their Rank Tracker.
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        • Profile picture of the author bmcgoff
          Originally Posted by Fraggler View Post

          The software has worked fully so the problem may be elsewhere. They have a long history of fixing problems fast so I would like to know what problems you've had that have lasted for 8 months.

          It isn't a WSO and I would take a guess that it's one of the most recommended pieces of software for affiliate marketer's and other SEOs on this forum - and many others.

          I still can't believe how upset people are over a rank tracker -a tiny almost irrelevant part- not working... The emotional attachment people seem to have shows that the software if well liked and used often. Hardly useless.

          Link Assistants SEO Power Suite is nothing like Market Samurai so I can't see how it's an alternative except for their Rank Tracker.
          Agreed EXCEPT that Rank Tracker isn't irrelevant. For me, it's the only module I use every day. If I'm not in research phase, I don't need the other stuff, but I'm always monitoring SERP position.
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      • Profile picture of the author outwest
        Originally Posted by rslaing View Post

        Hi Richard,

        We're getting 100s of worried requests from users so we decided to explain this web rumor.

        Rumors of a drastic Google algo change started spreading after another SEO software house officially announced their software stopped working with Google. What Market Samurai told us is, "Several days ago, Google made some significant technical changes to its services" which made it impossible to work with.

        Now hundreds of ex-customers of Market Samurai and our own users write to our support: Is SEO PowerSuite working? Is it safe to buy SEO PowerSuite license now when other tools are failing to work?

        The answer is YES, your software is working and will work with all search engines (Google as well, until the end of Google.) We are able to guarantee that SEO PowerSuite is the safest SEO software to invest in.

        So - right, SEO PowerSuite keeps working. The thing is, what is proclaimed a Google's technical change doesn't look so and has never been confirmed by anyone outside Market Samurai team. Our team of search engines experts confirms no changes to Google algos - and the speaking evidence for that is the seamlessly working SEO Powersuite

        No other reasons for Market Samurai's software failure have ever been officially named. However, more realistic reasons were suggested by their former users, assumed by many SEOs on all kind of Internet forums - and never commented on by the Samurai representatives. So the actual reasons for the fail are assumable and lie in a strategic error at the early stage of designing the software architecture. Our experts say, the estimate of fixing such error to restore an SEO tool to a fully working condition is about half a year.

        Seeing that now Samurai is planning to switch to Bing instead of Google, we assume the estimate is right.

        So let us once again disprove the rumor: Google made no changes and nothing happened to it at all. More to that, whenever changes to Google happen in the future, SEO PoweSuite will keep working seamlessly.


        So, it may be the case that all of the WHINERS might have been correct eh? OUTWEST - You've gone very quiet................ So, as we all thought, there could be more to this than the MS bootlickers have tried to justify. As we thought, it looks, on the basis of this reply from another REPUTABLE company with a similar service, nothing has changed with anything at Google, at least nothing that can't be handled. It looks like MS have made a major mistake with their product, might not be telling the full story, and are going to charge for a service that they originally promised was part of the deal. I reckon there could be a lot more crawling out of the woodwork about this, very soon. As I said originally, I don't care about 97 dollars - I just don't like being taken for a mug.

        I haven't had my moneys worth because MS has never fully worked for me since I bought it 8 months ago. I may not ask for a refund either and just put it down to another expensive lesson learned about a useless WSO that doesn't live up to the hype spun by them, and their affiliates.

        I've just had another look at their blog - it still only contains, in the main, a load of comments that are not balanced (that means, contrived and questionable in their origin). They must be very concerned................

        I dont have time to update and follow all the 10,000 crybabies and keep coming back to this thread

        they offered a refund did they not? the
        n GO GET YOUR REFUND,
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  • Profile picture of the author webbabe
    I wish I still had an oppertunity to get a refund, we all bought MS with Google as engine, with Bing it is useless imo. Feel robbed.
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    • Profile picture of the author SUPER Louie
      Originally Posted by webbabe View Post

      I wish I still had an oppertunity to get a refund, we all bought MS with Google as engine, with Bing it is useless imo. Feel robbed.
      What do you mean? They gave everyone an opportunity to refund regardless how long you've purchased it. Have you tried sending them an email?
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      • Profile picture of the author webbabe
        Originally Posted by Louie Sioco View Post

        What do you mean? They gave everyone an opportunity to refund regardless how long you've purchased it. Have you tried sending them an email?
        Wasn't aware of that, really 'regardless how long ago you've purchased it'?
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        • Profile picture of the author SUPER Louie
          Originally Posted by webbabe View Post

          Wasn't aware of that, really 'regardless how long ago you've purchased it'?
          Yeah, I read it from his comments. See for yourself:

          I’m sorry that the current situation is not working out for you. We definitely offer refunds, regardless of how long ago it was purchased, and regardless of reason. Simply contact our help desk (click the “Ask Us” tab on the left-hand side of this page), and ask support for a refund providing your registration details and paypal email address.

          After doing that, I’d encourage you to wait over the next few weeks to see what solution we come up with. The pricing will be extremely competitive to any of the best rank tracking solutions available, and all current customers (past or present) will be able to get access to this data at effectively a wholesale cost.

          Thanks for giving our product a try.

          This is from comment 33 of Eugene Ware, the CEO of Noble Samurai, here:
          http://www.noblesamurai.com/blog/mar...i-nation-2875/

          That's why I was wondering why a lot of people are complaining that they got robbed of their money.
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    Thanks for the heads up!
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  • Profile picture of the author DownNout87
    I just downloaded the Link Assistant software for free..seems to be working just fine.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tessa Holmes
    Does anybody know any descent alternatives to Rank Tracker of MS? I hear a lot of people complaining but I did not find many answers with alternative. And before you offer those alternatives, please make sure they are actually working at this time. I would not be surprised if all of them are not functioning properly now (due to the Google update).
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  • Profile picture of the author DownNout87
    I actually really like Market Samurai...I'm using Link Assistant's software purely for the rank tracker until MS (hopefully) fully fixes their issues.

    BTW, I love how one of the tags for this thread is crying...lol
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  • Profile picture of the author SUPER Louie
    Originally Posted by mw8020 View Post

    So what would you guys recommend: Seo Power Suite or Raven Tools? Will keep MS to see what pans out but think it might be wise to explore alternatives
    Magic Rank Tracker + Keyword Scout
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  • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
    Well it looks like MS has made their Rank Tracker work like all other desktop providers. i.e. it is now performed locally. MS does have (and always had) proxy support for those who wanted to do ranking locally.

    Here is what Miriam from Noble Samurai said about Bing integration:

    Keyword Research:
    * SEOC
    * SEOTC
    * SEOUC


    SEO Competition:
    * Index Count
    * Cache Age


    Rank Tracker:
    * Ranking data for Bing


    The intended changes to the data sources for Keyword Research and SEO Competition have already been made. All traffic and Adwords data is unchanged and is still using Google data.

    She makes a good point that these metrics are to show what's out on the web and while they will be slightly different to Google it doesn't change their validity.
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  • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
    Meaning Google isn't the only game out there. If they were, there'd not be ANY other search engines. Personally I think Google forgot the "don't be evil" bit quite a while ago. There is a new blog post that should answer everyone's questions.
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    • Profile picture of the author outwest
      Originally Posted by Scheelke View Post

      The most important module in market Samurai is the SEO Competition module.
      it is great, and it is working.
      The PR of sites seems to be working now
      the PR checker for each site? has a strange change on the backlink checking module, I am still playing with it to see how it works,

      the SEO checker is all I ever use anyways
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  • Profile picture of the author Lanx
    i skimmed the MS blog updates, isn't the only real thing affected the rank checker? which is a shame, i used it lots.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tessa Holmes
    Things are moving fast in digital age. You need to learn to adjust, if you want to do business in Internet age. Market Samurai is doing pretty good job in catching up with all updates that are coming. I think they should start charging some small monthly fee for their service to make sure that they have enough resources to make all necessary updates.
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  • Profile picture of the author aquarious44
    After reading through the MS blog, it appears that they are trying hard to fix whatever problems the software has. Offering a refund with no questions, no matter when MS was purchased, is unheard of from the majority of product vendors. Give them a chance to redeem themselves.
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    Your a little late... problems are sorted now lol.
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