Market Samurai. Changes

by zaco 189 replies
Check out this post, January 29th 2012

Noble Samurai

The rank tracker is gone now..the rest will follow I guess..
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  • Profile picture of the author TBInternetMarketing
    I was just discussing the state of Market Samurai with someone else.
    It's a real shame, as a year ago it was a high quality tool.

    Unfortunately they rely on other models such as Google and just can't keep up with their changes.
    • Profile picture of the author Jon Patrick
      Never fear - even if Market Samurai falls apart completely, I'm sure it won't be long until someone comes along with an even better tool. There's a market for it, after all.
  • Profile picture of the author GMD
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    There is some hope in this message:

    Our current estimate is that we’ll have the vast majority of Market Samurai’s functionality working again within the next few days. The revised Rank Tracker module may take us several weeks to fully implement, though you can still check small numbers of keywords manually in Rank Tracker, as well as checking Bing and Yahoo! as normal.


    Please be assured that as a small software development team, we understand that delivering great value is what keeps us alive and what built this business in the first place. When the dust has settled, we’re determined to do whatever it takes to ensure the investment you made to own Market Samurai is the best Internet Marketing investment you’ve made.


    However, if at any time you don’t think Market Samurai is worth your initial investment please contact our help desk for a partial or full refund—just be aware that our help desk has a high volume of tickets at the moment, so it may take a little longer than usual to get to your requests.


    As the net (and Google itself) continues to evolve, certain products are going to be negatively effected. At least they're promising that the "majority" of functionality is going to be stored; the rank tracker will take a few weeks, and finally they're offering partial or full refunds.


    But remember, as bad as this might seem, oftentimes when one door closes, two doors open in its place!
  • Profile picture of the author zaco
    I have been with them since 2009, lately I had alot of issues and they couldn't resolve them to I stopped using their keyword research module and I wasn't very happy but I use the other modules..it is a great software after all..best thing I ever bought

    I am going to try the new company they suggested and see how it goes, 30 days free trial.. I hope they can come up with the same API, not sure how to check my rankings now since I tried other tools and they sucked, I don't suggest checking the results on MS even if its a small quantity since you use your ip and it might get banned.. if u r using Google webmaster then it might be an issue too.. anybody knows any other tools?
  • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
    It is only the end if they want it to be, I have always seen a coder that can do anything legal to get what they want if he really wants too.
  • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
    Wow, over 400,000 users for Market Samurai ... I didn't think they had that many users. Their tools was great and provided a lot of useful data. For me Market Samurai has been working on and off over the last 6 months or so.
  • Profile picture of the author LilBlackDress
    Originally Posted by zaco View Post

    Check out this post, January 29th 2012

    Noble Samurai

    The rank tracker is gone now..the rest will follow I guess..
    I don't think so. They will figure out what to do to stay the course for us IM'ers. I have full confidence in the peeps at Market Samurai.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gaz Cooper
    I think you have you give them some time to adjust to Google's latest changes and come up with a plan of attack.

    I'm sure it will not be a quick fix but i think they will get there.

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  • Profile picture of the author Studio13
    Yup — got this notice from the software today, little bummed. Basically, nothing works now. Time to move on..?
  • Profile picture of the author mrjosco
    The loss of functionality is a little disappointing. I use Market Samurai for two purposes: Keyword research and rank tracking. The other concern is that if they can't accurately track rank, then they can't give any information on SEO competition in terms of the top 10 listings for a particular keyword. This means this functionality is useless as well.

    The fact that I paid a premium price (fair, but premium) and will lose half, or all, of the functionality that I need the product for is a little upsetting. I know it isn't their fault, but if I bought a product to do 2 things and the market changes and it can't do either of those things anymore, then I don't know what I will do.

    I also don't want to have to pay a monthly fee for something that was a built in benefit.

    I understand they can't cover the cost of managing that particular feature, but I may have to be one that requests a partial refund (I can't ask for a full refund because I got about 3 months of good use from it)

    There is a lesson here for us IMers though. Market Samurai made a great product with really cool features, but the functionality of their product relies on a third party that they have no control over. With a simple change at the third party they have hundreds of thousands of disappointed customers - many of whom I imagine will be asking for full or partial refunds. The problems are likely also costs a fortune in extra work or manpower to bring back the functionality they can salvage. That is a risk that should be notated and that is the type of thing that can happen when your business relies on third parties you have no control over.
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  • Profile picture of the author zaco
    I hope they figure it out, they offered a full refund if the user is not happy, but I won't request a refund since I took more than what I paid for.. other developers will just close and run away with the money but they were generous enough to offer a refund

    "However, if at any time you don’t think Market Samurai is worth your initial investment please contact our help desk for a partial or full refund—just be aware that our help desk has a high volume of tickets at the moment, so it may take a little longer than usual to get to your requests."

    Google is becoming annoying lately.. with all their privacy policy BS and now limiting the access, their results suck too..bing is more accurate but at the end of the day they control the search engine market
  • Profile picture of the author seobuzz
    Never used the Market samurai. Not that because I didn't like the features and well. But mostly because my budget would not allow me to use than, moreover I can use the Google adwords keyword tool.

    So not a problem for me!!
  • Profile picture of the author Stevie C
    I finally got round to downloading it and trying the 6 day free trial yesterday, Looks like I picked a bad time to do this!
  • Profile picture of the author zaco
    I am testing that raven tool.. man the information that it gives is crazy..not that I am promoting it but I took a fast glance and added keywords , u actually can add your competitors and track how they are moving and how you are moving in the serps side to side.. but its 99$ a month.. thats alot!
  • Profile picture of the author rapidscc
    I understand what's happening to market samurai and to SEOQuake as well.

    I'm also a developer and created a keyword tool (keyword miner)
    but because of Google's changes until now I'm having a hard time
    releasing version 2 of my product.

    It's nearly impossible to get a consistent result when reading
    google's free tools nowadays. And the only thing I think would
    work is if you pay them to get search data. I know they have
    a paid package for this though it's limited to a few thousand
    searches and would not be viable if you create commercial software.

    I'm playing with several options now but because of the barriers
    the software is now still in the late planning stages.
  • Profile picture of the author tianshi
    I've never used the Market Samurai tools myself, but I must say that it indeed looked like a very powerful tool for those wanting to get an edge over in the IM game.

    Sadly yes they do rely on Google Adwords and the such, and given that the Adwords tool seems to update itself rather frequently, it would make Market Samurai have to constantly revise the software in order to keep up with the changes and not have it broken. Like how it is now.
  • Profile picture of the author cardine
    It is a shame that the end is near for Market Samurai when they've been such a big player in the SEO industry for a long time.

    The biggest issue is that they charged a flat fee; there is no way they could continue to pay for server costs and programming costs to keep on doing rank tracking without steady monthly revenue coming in every day. Which is unfortunately the case with almost any downloadable rank tracker (especially one that isn't using external servers).

    I am surprised at the increased difficulty in tracking SERPs, the way the SERP tracking I'm using is coded up we haven't faced any increased problems recently, still smooth sailing.
    • Profile picture of the author david carr
      Originally Posted by cardine View Post

      The biggest issue is that they charged a flat fee; there is no way they could continue to pay for server costs and programming costs to keep on doing rank tracking
      I think that they have no need for server costs if it's a desktop ap why do they need everything to go through their servers at all! It should be a stand alone entity which uses the resources of the users computer not the companies hardware.

      Some rank trackers are having no problems, look at Magic rank tracker and Serp assist pro! they work independently of the maker and I know Magic rank tracker is fine and I know a couple of users of Serp alert and they are not reporting any problems!

      If they can do a limited number of searches then why can’t we do it all on our end with private proxy support?


      They could just build in a scheduler so it doesn’t do the searches all at once like it does now and spreads it out to look like a normal web searcher for those who don't want to use proxies.

      Regards
      Dave
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  • Profile picture of the author Mukul Verma
    Hey Warriors,

    Market Samurai has had some issues lately which is some bad news for features I use regularly from it.

    Here is a update on there blog -
    Noble Samurai

    If you’ve tried to launch and use Market Samurai in the last few days you’ll have noticed that there are large areas of functionality that are broken.



    What Happened?

    As you know, Market Samurai pulls data from dozens of different search data providers so that you have all the data you need in a single place to make the most informed decisions about your online marketing opportunities.

    In order to obtain this data we often need to perform large numbers of queries and searches through free services such as Google, Yahoo! or Bing on behalf of our users.

    For example, tracking the rankings for even a few keywords can require thousands of searches. By performing these queries on your behalf, using our servers, we saved you hours, days or sometimes even weeks of time compared with doing these queries by hand.

    Several days ago, Google made some significant technical changes to its services that make it impossible to reliably perform large volumes of free queries.

    As large portions of Market Samurai currently use Google’s service, this has temporarily broken a range of functionality in Market Samurai (and related products, including modules from Domain Samurai and Article Samurai – although the core syndication functionality in Article Samurai is unaffected).

    It’s also worth noting that most other SEO software has been affected in some way by these changes (eg. SEOQuake is currently broken as well).

    What We’re Doing About It…

    We’re working tirelessly around the clock to restore the vast majority of this functionality, and we estimate that most of the application will be functional within the next few days.

    As there is such a large amount of functionality that is currently built upon Google’s services, we’re prioritizing the high usage modules such as Keyword Research and SEO Competition, and then moving on to the other modules.

    What Are We Going to Use In Place of Google?

    It’s important to note that much of the data that we supply in Market Samurai could have easily been provided from other search engines. (eg. locating articles about “dog training” in our Find Content module).

    In these simple cases we’re going to just replace Google with Bing.

    As you know, Bing has made some big improvements in recent years and there are many who are saying that Bing’s algorithm produces more relevant results than Google for many keywords.

    As an SEO marketer, it is important to understand that Bing’s index is rapidly approaching the size of Google’s, and as they also power Yahoo!, they have rapidly grown to capture over 30% of the search queries in the US.

    But why is this important?

    The increased use of Bing as a search engine is important because competition metrics, such as SEOC (“SEO Competition”) and SEOTC (“SEO Title Competition”), measure the scarcity of keywords on the Internet. The idea behind keyword scarcity is that keywords that have a high scarcity are likely to be more useful keywords for your marketing campaign. A good candidate for a more detailed competition analysis, by using our SEO Competition module matrix, would be a keyword where there aren’t many pages on the Internet containing that keyword in the title or body of a page – i.e., keyword with a low SEOC/SEOTC value.

    These high-level competition “scarcity” numbers can also come from another search engine, as long as the index is of a comparative size to Google. We believe this is the case with Bing.

    It’s important to note that making a keyword decision based solely on a scarcity metric such as SEOC or SEOTC will provide poor results. It’s not a substitute for doing a detailed analysis by using the SEO Competition matrix and a backlink analysis.

    The scarcity metrics help us quickly filter out keywords that are highly likely to be TOO hard to rank for (because they have a lot of relevant content out there competing for rankings). They DON’T tell you that a keyword will be easy to rank for. (i.e. use these numbers only to disqualify tough keywords)

    Until this change is implemented, we’ve unfortunately had to introduce a manual check for SEOC values, similar to that for the SEOTC/SEOUC values. We understand that this is frustrating and time-consuming, but it was the only way we could keep this data available.

    Changes to Rank Tracker

    The module most affected by these Google changes will be the Rank Tracker module.

    The Bad News…
    With over 400,000 users now, tracking the ranks of your keywords on your behalf results in literally millions of Google searches every day. Google’s changes mean that it will be simply impossible for us to continue doing this on your behalf.

    Unlike Bing and Yahoo!, Google has no API (commercial or otherwise) which is suitable for tracking rankings. The APIs that do exist for Google often produce results that are significantly different from actual rankings, making them useless for SEO purposes.

    There are third-party companies that do have accurate APIs to Google, and we are currently in negotiations to get access to their data.

    The particular company that we are talking to provides the ranking data to major SEO tools such as the excellent Raven Tools product, for example.

    However, this data is expensive (Raven Tool’s cheapest plan costs $99 a month to track 1,000 keywords), and the underlying cost of ranking data is a large part of the reason for this price.

    We’ve evaluated many options and it seems, at this stage, that the only way for us to offer Google Rank Tracker functionality to our users is to buy this data.

    However, with a fixed-price product and so many users, it’s simply an economic impossibility to provide the same rank tracking functionality on an ongoing basis. In fact, it would cost us over $40,000 a day to purchase this data!

    So, we’re left with the difficult decision of having to pass this costs on to our users in some fashion (most likely a monthly paid service).

    Please know, if you’re an existing Market Samurai buyer we’ll try to keep this cost as low as possible. Potentially we will even try to offer a free level of service for a small number of keywords.

    Unfortunately, this change will take a while to implement, at least several weeks. So until that time you may need to check your rankings manually, or perhaps try the 30 day trial at Raven Tools until we can get the new version of Rank Tracker out the door.

    We’ll be releasing an updated version of the existing Rank Tracker module shortly, that will enable you to check a very small number of keyword rankings in Google (up to 10), by using your own connection rather than our servers to perform the searches. This is a temporary workaround until we can put a more permanent solution in place.

    The Good News…
    However, the news is not all bad. Rank Tracker has always been a very slow module to use due to the higher numbers of searches it requires.

    The new Rank Tranker module built on the paid API will enable us to check your rankings in the background from our servers each week, so that when you open Market Samurai, you’ll instantly be able to see your rankings report—instead of waiting upwards of 10–30 minutes to check all your keyword rankings.

    What To Do Next

    We know the implications of these recent Google changes are very disappointing and will cause some anger amongst our users.

    We understand this, and while we these changes are beyond our control, I want to apologize on behalf of the whole Noble Samurai team. We’re very grateful for the support of our customers over the years – you’re the reason we can do what we do! We deeply appreciate your patience through this difficult time.

    Our current estimate is that we’ll have the vast majority of Market Samurai’s functionality working again within the next few days. The revised Rank Tracker module may take us several weeks to fully implement, though you can still check small numbers of keywords manually in Rank Tracker, as well as checking Bing and Yahoo! as normal.

    Please be assured that as a small software development team, we understand that delivering great value is what keeps us alive and what built this business in the first place. When the dust has settled, we’re determined to do whatever it takes to ensure the investment you made to own Market Samurai is the best Internet Marketing investment you’ve made.

    However, if at any time you don’t think Market Samurai is worth your initial investment please contact our help desk for a partial or full refund—just be aware that our help desk has a high volume of tickets at the moment, so it may take a little longer than usual to get to your requests.

    Once again, I’m very sorry for the inconvenience that this has caused our customers.

    We’re working around the clock to get this fixed.

    Please leave any questions, concerns or encouragement (we could use a little bit right about now!) in the comments below.

    Yours sincerely,

    Eugene Ware
    CEO
    Noble Samurai
    • Profile picture of the author colinph970
      sounds like excellent customer service as the big G has caused the problem. Note also they have offered a full refund to anyone who asks. can't say fairer than that.
    • Profile picture of the author adplus
      This is disastrous. Not much more can be said about it.

      The Rank Tracker module is one I rely upon heavily, will Raven Tools be a suitable substitute. I'm happy to pay for that functionality alone.
    • Profile picture of the author cjbmeb14
      I think it is really bad MS always said before that any updates were free for life.
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      OK all you crybabies go get your refunds and stop saying, "why does MS do this and want to charge money when XYZ doesnt?
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      Google happens. It is difficult to like it, but there is only one solution - learn to deal with it. There is no way around.
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    • Profile picture of the author outwest
      The new update the only difference I noticed is in the SEO
      the PR is not showing which I use all the time for analyzing backlinks PR
      hope they fix it soon
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    • Profile picture of the author Marvin Johnston
      Fortunately, I don't use Rank Checker.

      But I have had an issue with MS since I first bought it ... 5-8 minutes to load the program. When I contacted MS once when I first bought it, they didn't know the answer at that time. So I let it go and used it anyway.

      After finally deciding to put in another support ticket, they did find a solution and had me download a special version of MS that totally solved the problem.

      And this in the middle of the problems they are currently having.

      Count me as a satisfied user of MS. The bottom line is it still saves a LOT of time when doing research.

      Marvin
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      For SEO top 10 google analysis, I do not think that traffic travis beats MS
      i just dont
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    • Profile picture of the author outwest
      competition SEO analysis only takes me about 30 secs per kw on MS
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      KW research takes too long though I use google adwords tool for that
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    • Profile picture of the author adplus
      The Market Samurai guys are great. Nobody wanted this to happen, least of all them.

      If you think Raven Tools or going direct to Authority Labs is expensive then you just dont understand the resource demands of such services. It takes massive resources to do rank tracking properly.

      Some of the smaller programs mentioned in this thread are absolute rubbish.
  • Profile picture of the author Sire
    I don't blame the guys at MS. It's not their fault Google continues to stuff them around. And if Google's changes are making it hard for them don't you think it's also stuffing up others in the same field?

    I have every faith in them and I believe that they will find away around whatever Googles done ti sutff them around.
  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    The SEO module is 95 percent functional now
    thats all I ever used anyways

    the only thing not working is the PR .......................Indexed pages supposedly is not working but who uses that or cares about it? I dont

    You guys are crying like the sky is falling
    I dont believe it

    serps tracking? you guys actually track all those kws? that would drive me nuts
    I only use the SEO Function , thats almost fixed

    I think if MS were about to fold they would not have just done almost a complete revamp of the entire software which seems to be what is happening

    most companies about to fold just do nothing, start cleaing out their desks, dont respond to emails, and start packing up the bank accts and head out of town

    does that seem to you guys what is happening? I must have missed that
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  • Profile picture of the author FreeMeal
    It's a shame really. I used it mostly for the SERP checker. I think if enough people ask for the refund it could well see them off.

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