How do SEO companies do it ?

by jetsetter883 54 replies
This is something that I've been thinking about for a while. I have visited the websites of several SEO companies and many of them have a small to medium sized staff presumably working with a good handful of client websites. In my opinion, there is simply not enough time in the day to effectively rank all of your client's websites using traditional SEO. As in, all of the conventional white hat SEO theory pertaining to 'creating great content', obtaining high authority links, guest blogging etc would take a millenia to rank numerous websites and would surely require a very large staff to keep on top of this stuff.

So.. what do you guys think? How do they do it? What do they do? Outsource to Fiverr? ODesk? This is something I am very curious to know.. how these small companies can possibly find the time to operate effectively using only professional white hat SEO best practices (or so they say).
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  • Profile picture of the author dvduval
    A top SEO company has access to properties on the web that provide great traffic or pagerank. The quality of what they provide is much higher and also a company secret in many cases. It is built on developing relationships over many years. The top SEO companies rarely delve into cheap stuff (but they do on occasion).
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    • Originally Posted by dvduval View Post

      A top SEO company has access to properties on the web that provide great traffic or pagerank. The quality of what they provide is much higher and also a company secret in many cases. It is built on developing relationships over many years. The top SEO companies rarely delve into cheap stuff (but they do on occasion).

      Yea this is very true. They use quality tools and do things the right way (usually).
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  • Profile picture of the author MarketingChad
    Yeah, they typically have their own network of High-PR sites which are super effective. Then they just do some other types of link building such as article marketing, social media, commenting, etc. to fill out the link profile but those High-PR networks they have are the most effective part of their strategy.
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  • Profile picture of the author dazkat
    Hey Jetsetter883
    It is a combination of two things. Outsourcing & Software.
    They use software to do the majority of the grunt work for specific tasks & outsource workers for any of the manual tasks that need to be completed.

    Others SEO companies will act as a reseller and will outsource the whole job to another SEO company. In this instance they simply go out and find the work charge the client top dollar then outsource the work to another company for less and pocket the difference. This is referred to as arbitrage.
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    • Profile picture of the author LRDavids
      Originally Posted by dazkat View Post

      Hey Jetsetter883

      They use software to do the majority of the grunt work for specific tasks & outsource workers for any of the manual tasks that need to be completed.
      What kind of software are they using?
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by LRDavids View Post

        What kind of software are they using?
        People talking about Pros using software are talking out of lack of knowledge of the industry.they are confusing pro SEOs with people claiming to be pro seos who really are just backlinkers.
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  • Profile picture of the author HarrieB
    I outsource most of my SEO work to companies/freelancers in India and Philippines. They are very reasonable ($200 a month for 4 keywords) and do an awesome job.
    As far as I am concerned, they dont use even automated softwares. These seo companies have tried and tested methods besides, link builders who make good quality backlinks.
    I usually see the backlinks on high pr websites and there are usually very less outbound links from those websites.
    Even I get curious like you sometimes.
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    • Profile picture of the author watsonovedades
      Originally Posted by indigeniuous View Post

      I outsource most of my SEO work to companies/freelancers in India and Philippines. They are very reasonable ($200 a month for 4 keywords) and do an awesome job.
      As far as I am concerned, they dont use even automated softwares. These seo companies have tried and tested methods besides, link builders who make good quality backlinks.
      I usually see the backlinks on high pr websites and there are usually very less outbound links from those websites.
      Even I get curious like you sometimes.
      Hi indigeniuous

      Im looking for SEO outsources in india/philippinas

      would your guys take more work?
      please send me their info

      Kind Regards
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      • Profile picture of the author HarrieB
        Originally Posted by watsonovedades View Post

        Hi indigeniuous

        Im looking for SEO outsources in india/philippinas

        would your guys take more work?
        please send me their info

        Kind Regards

        Just sent you a P.M!!

        The guys are awesome and are always willing to go extra way to help their clients :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author jetsetter883
    very interesting insights guys. but are most of the outsourced people in india, etc not just trained how to spam? sorry if that sounds silly, but my basis for comparison is the tremendous amount of gigs i see on fiverr etc originating from india for 10k PR3+ backlinks etc. also, many spam comments i see are written in broken english. how could you tell if you are just hiring another spammer? are there really armies of link building geniuses in the far east just waiting to complete the work for bottom dollar ?
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    I am also working such a company.We do nothing special rather than quality work each day.
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      Originally Posted by Jashandeepmax View Post

      I am also working such a company.We do nothing special rather than quality work each day.
      Enough said!....
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  • Profile picture of the author Sue McDonald
    SEO on Google has changed. This happened when Panda was introduced by Google last year. Google now bases a lot on the popularity and security of your site. So it is really hard to satisfy all of the search engines and what is required.

    I still believe in SEO but I also aim to please Google as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    I can tell you because I know.

    They use link building services, just like the rest of us.

    As well as that, they're typically constantly buying sites to build networks of their own, as already mentioned above.
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  • Profile picture of the author binarymlmmaster
    seo is the very tedious work.
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  • Profile picture of the author sizzlemediauk
    We too are a SEO company in-fact a reputed and known in the UK and that because of our work. What requires in a perfect SEO company is professionals who must be skilled and are always ready and eager to learn and develop too new strategies as marketing is an ever going and changing process which requires timely development. A SEO firm must be update with the algorithm and other updates of search engines to know as how and when to apply and what in order to rank the website. A good SEO company prefers on building quality and content based link building to rank website because apart from that nothing will and it has been proven as many websites which were ruling Google has dropped and many vanished completely. If a SEO company suggests you about content improvement and build links through articles, blog , their link wheel , forum commenting then that will result definitely though time could be a considerable factor.
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  • Profile picture of the author jetsetter883
    Indigenious.. tried sending you a PM but my post count isn't high enough. Could you send me some insight on these link builders from overseas..? Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Wow some REALLY bad answers in this thread.

    No Professional SEO sompanies do NOT use the same services you see advertised here we develop our own resources and contacts. The Op is mistaken if he thinks that Pro SEO companies start from scratch with each client. You don't do that . You build resources, contact and link opportunities and you mine them for different clients. We can get links from sites that the average Imer cannot get because we develop relationships and network. No software tool out there can open a good relationship with a blogger who doesn't allow guest posting or have followed comments. NO software out there can you click some buttons and have a high PR network of domains that you control.

    Is it harder in the beginning ? Yes. Is it hard for every client? no. Once you have the relationships you can go back to your network list from time to time. IM SEO frankly concentrates on cheap quantity links. this is NOT how a professional SEO company operates but the problem with that is that almost all backlinking companies eventually call themselves professional SEOs. However they are two different worlds. Theres no way my client companies want me to do anything at all that would associate their brand name with link spamming and in real business serps the SEOs that work them will not hesitate for a second to report link spamming or obviously bought links (which kills things like BMR etc)

    TO illustrate the huge obvious difference many here would cry bloody murder if they paid for links individually ($30-$200 each) but as most know BUYING links individually from certain sites is common practice in SEO. Its nothing to drop a few hundred dollars to webmasters to get really good PR3,4,5 links in niches that relate.

    You can kid yourself that the pro companies are doing the same things Imers are doing but its just a fantasy. It should be obvious that when a SEO company charges a few thousand a month they can leverage much better assets and they don't have to write a lot of content or place links themselves. In many cases the webmaster of the high profile site giving the link is comparable to the outsourcer just on a one to one basis.

    To be honest the only time a Pro seo would touch some of the link strategies used by Imers is for ip diversity. I'll use some article links, some directories, press releases and maybe some low OBL blog comments etc sure but to rely on those (won't even bother with forum links) as my main driver for ranking client sites? NO WAY. I use my own privately developed resources and contacts for that. Use BMR for ranking client? Thats amatuer stuff. If My clients could rank using that alone why would they need me?
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    • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      Use BMR for ranking client? Thats amatuer stuff.
      You might think so, but I know of 2 estabished SEO firms right here in Sydney that use both BMR and High PR society and have clients paying in excess of $250,000 per month.

      And when I say "established" ...I mean it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

        You might think so, but I know of 2 estabished SEO firms right here in Sydney that use both BMR and High PR society and have clients paying in excess of $250,000 per month.

        And when I say "established" ...I mean it.
        Well lets say that is true (I suspend both my belief or disbelief not buying it because you said it and not utterly disbelieving it either). It wouldn't be the first time that a major corporation showed themselves to be idiots by hiring idiots. Hey even JC penney did that and looked how bad that turned out for them. With an annual salary of 3 million per client why in the world would I put that caliber of customer on those sites. I've seen BMR and like most people here will tell you it doesn't take a genius to figure out what the sites are doing.

        A smart professional Seo wouldn't be jeopardizing a 3 mil a year client on a bunch of domains with all kinds of links from all kinds of subjects mixed together in an obvious network. Shucks thats enough in a single month revenue to buy some serious links on established sites that are legit and you are telling me they rely on BMR. But hey I bet JC penney was dropping some serious coin too for garbage. Doesn't mean thats how all SEOs do it or even how most do it.

        I call smoke on the figure. I doubt they both opened their books for you to look so that stands to be hearsay at best. They could build their own network and dwarf BMR within a few months certainly in raw strength because of not having to roll the links off or split them up with users paying $59 per month.

        I'd still say - amateur hour and I am not entirely buying that any established SEo company would be relying on that while taking in a million or more every two months. Sounds like Urban legend to me but like i said won't entirely disbelieve it either because corporations have hired idiots before..
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        • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          Well lets say that is true (I suspend both my belief or disbelief not buying it because you said it and not utterly disbelieving it either). It wouldn't be the first time that a major corporation showed themselves to be idiots by hiring idiots. Hey even JC penney did that and looked how bad that turned out for them. With an annual salary of 3 million per client why in the world would I put that caliber of customer on those sites. I've seen BMR and like most people here will tell you it doesn't take a genius to figure out what the sites are doing.

          A smart professional Seo wouldn't be jeopardizing a 3 mil a year client on a bunch of domains with all kinds of links from all kinds of subjects mixed together in an obvious network. Shucks thats enough in a single month revenue to buy some serious links on established sites that are legit and you are telling me they rely on BMR. But hey I bet JC penney was dropping some serious coin too for garbage. Doesn't mean thats how all SEOs do it or even how most do it.

          I call smoke on the figure. I doubt they both opened their books for you to look so that stands to be hearsay at best. They could build their own network and dwarf BMR within a few months certainly in raw strength because of not having to roll the links off or split them up with users paying $59 per month.

          I'd still say - amateur hour and I am not entirely buying that any established SEo company would be relying on that while taking in a million or more every two months. Sounds like Urban legend to me but like i said won't entirely disbelieve it either because corporations have hired idiots before..
          Believe it or not Mike, I dont mind either way.

          I know it to be factual, otherwise I wouldnt have said it. Why would I lie?

          Dont forget, these organisations use BMR, as well as other link building services in conjunction with their own private networks. Im not suggesting that they simply pay the $59 per month and throw up some 150 word blurbs and thats it.

          BTW - Im not blowing smoke about those figures either. The companies paying it, spend millions on print, radio and television media annually.
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          • Profile picture of the author naeemzia
            Majority of SEO companies have their own sites from where they usually get the quality back links and also the mostly focus on quality backlinks and got the links regularly.these are few factors.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

            Believe it or not Mike, I dont mind either way.

            I know it to be factual, otherwise I wouldnt have said it. Why would I lie?
            John I specifically stated that I neither believe or disbelieve. Things get stated as fact all the time on forums that are not and the person is not lying. Did you see those figures from both the SEO companies? Did they both open their books to you? That I doubt. Did the companies hiring them open their books to you? That I doubt. Does that mean you are lying? No. You are just reporting what you think to be fact. maybe right might be wrong.


            Dont forget, these organisations use BMR, as well as other link building services in conjunction with their own private networks. Im not suggesting that they simply pay the $59 per month and throw up some 150 word blurbs and thats it.

            In that case I could see a company getting sloppy just trying to increase their Ip diversity but they need to get their act together because you mentioned high PR Society and after reading their FAQ I would say no professional SEO working for a major company should ever be sloppy enough to use a service that openly accepts garbage content and if you read their FAQ you will know thats not an accusation its right there in their FAQ

            There is no editorial approval or several day waiting periods for your articles! You alone are responsible for your content, so if you want to use garbage copy you can. In fact, for all of the case studies we showed on the home page, we had poor quality content. We suggest you run your articles through a spinner to assure uniqueness of the article.
            SO they not only allow it but lead the way by their examples of how you should junk up their network with spun garbage content - their words not mine.

            Now if you are representing in this thread ( I know you don't intend to ) that that is how Professional SEO companies operate then that would be way off. Having garbage spun content on your network and then sticking a link with anchor text for a major company in the middle of it is Capital H horrible work coming from a "professional" SEO company. SO HPRS maybe great for IMErs (who don't give a rip) but no SEO professional worth a dime would use them after reading that.

            Plus they are going to get their domain deindexed like nobodies business.

            We have to keep in mind with these companies that they have something protecting that is far more important to them ranking - they have reputations. Especially after the JC penney fiasco where the company got all kinds of bad Pr for hiring the wrong guys they don't want that rep. If you do SEO for real companies you HAVE to have some quality assurances.
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            • Profile picture of the author nik0
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              You have a lot of solid points Mike but appaerantly you're a Seo guy who is still looking for shortcuts with your own network of sites while at the same time acting like you're above all the IM seo'ers. Kinda hypocrite.

              A true seo company will search for links for their customers by e-mailing tons of relevant sites to gather and/or buy these links simply cause it would be impossible to have a portfolio of relevant links for each and every new client. At least that's how the nr1 seo company in my country works.

              One other thing I wanted to mention is an example of a site that does the seo pretty clever. The name is:

              Art.com

              It's a company where I would start working last year but I refused cause they paid minimum wage. Anyway, they sell art from, how you call it, Artists? And each artist they sell the work from links back to their site. So they have 1000's of extremely relevant backlinks and obviously they rank nr1 for the keyword "Art"
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              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                You have a lot of solid points Mike but appaerantly you're a Seo guy who is still looking for shortcuts with your own network of sites while at the same time acting like you're above all the IM seo'ers. Kinda hypocrite.

                Name calling is hardly a point. Perhaps you should look up the meaning of a word before you use it because your feelings are hurt. Like I said I am fully aware of everyone that runs some software tools claiming to be professional SEOs and I guess it comes with the territory to have some people upset (because thats what they do) when you point out that professional SEOS don't use all the tools everyone else uses.

                Sorry though There is no discussion in this thread about white hat, Google approved or using all organic natural links. Never said professional SEOs don't use any "shortcuts" so your hypocrite claim is a clean miss. This thread is about what professional SEOs use and you are free to kid yourself about what they do but no its not all Google approved.

                Anyone that thinks that professional SEOs do not buy links has no idea what they are talking about. Its a well known fact and building your own SEO network is just a long term more affordable option on that.
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              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                So they have 1000's of extremely relevant backlinks and obviously they rank nr1 for the keyword "Art"
                Thats just the nature of the site not anything a SEO had to do but to pretty much blow up your earlier point you might want to take a look at this company that hired a professional marketing agency. You might have heard of the company too

                Google Chrome's Paid Link Campaign Uncovered

                Client's name begun with a G ends with an E and has two Os in the name

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                • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                  Thats just the nature of the site not anything a SEO had to do but to pretty much blow up your earlier point you might want to take a look at this company that hired a professional marketing agency. You might have heard of the company too

                  Google Chrome's Paid Link Campaign Uncovered

                  Client's name begun with a G ends with an E and has two Os in the name

                  Lol, you sound here more offended then I do, I don't feel my feelings are hurt by this thread or your sayings in any way I was just stating that a true profesional seo company isn't involved in setting up their own network that they use for several clients. Yes they might setup a network but then only relevant for 1 specific client so the whole network is his. Certain people do this to keep clients attached, when they quit their cooperation/subscription with the seo company the seo company will unplug the network that they created for them and the rankings will drop consequently.

                  To repeat myself, a true professional seo company will find links manually by e-mailing webmasters that have relevant sites and asking for a link, or buying advertising space on relevant sites. All the work will be specifically tailored on the client sites with no shortcuts.

                  The example of Art.com was just meant to show a smart business concept from seo point of view. It's not only the nature of the site, I am 100% sure they forced all the art people to place a link to their website or they wouldn't sell the art they produce, simply cause the art they sell at that huge site is sold for dirt cheap and if I would be an artist I would rather not place my link to that site so I could sell the same kind of art for higher prices. Now people might frowns like, hey why it's so cheap overthere and so expensive over here.

                  I know quite a bit of companies that hired a real seo firm, and none of those seo firms have made use of privately owned blog networks.

                  There is nothing wrong with being a semi-pro Mike

                  Personally I categorize myself as Amateur-pro but I sure know how to move tough keywords using public networks like BMR, LinkVana, LinkAuthority, High PR society and many more.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                    Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                    Yes they might setup a network but then only relevant for 1 specific client so the whole network is his. Certain people do this to keep clients attached, when they quit their cooperation/subscription with the seo company the seo company will unplug the network that they created for them and the rankings will drop consequently. To repeat myself, a true professional seo company will
                    Nik one of the things that junk up this forum is when people try to answer questions they know nothing about. You can repeat yourself ten times more and it won't make what you are saying right. SEO companies do not as a habit build SEO networks for one customer "so the whole network is theirs". Thats ridiculously inefficient to build one per customer and is NOT how it is done. Plus unplugging a network so that they get nothing for the links they did pay for is unethical.

                    No one said all SEOs build their own networks but this conversation is a waste of time because its obvious you are not aware about how networks are built or how SEO companies do what they do.
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                    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                      Guess we just have a different definition of the word "professional"
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  • Originally Posted by jetsetter883 View Post

    This is something that I've been thinking about for a while. I have visited the websites of several SEO companies and many of them have a small to medium sized staff presumably working with a good handful of client websites. In my opinion, there is simply not enough time in the day to effectively rank all of your client's websites using traditional SEO. As in, all of the conventional white hat SEO theory pertaining to 'creating great content', obtaining high authority links, guest blogging etc would take a millenia to rank numerous websites and would surely require a very large staff to keep on top of this stuff.

    So.. what do you guys think? How do they do it? What do they do? Outsource to Fiverr? ODesk? This is something I am very curious to know.. how these small companies can possibly find the time to operate effectively using only professional white hat SEO best practices (or so they say).
    Software: senuke x, xrumer, scrapebox....to name a few.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fixers
    Agree with Mike here, they do things quite a bit differently to most IMers out there, using self managed networks, relations with other high profile sites etc etc.

    Another thing I notice is they will hit certain niches at the same time. For example they will go after pension companies but they will have a list of contacts, a network of high pr sites with content and will then attempt to get X number of companies in this niche and targetting different keyword phrases.

    One thing you can do to get more of an idea is search seo companies and look at their testimonials, check backlinks on their sites and you will have more of an idea of what they are doing.

    One big difference is time, typically IMers want it done ASAP whereas reputable seo companies will take their time as they cannot afford the risk of getting a company they work for getting slapped, plus they normally charge a monthly fee so will be quoting 6 months on something you and I may want to rank in a month or two, but run the higher risk of a penalty.
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  • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
    Well I can tell you I have worked for a big agency here in the UK and they just bought most of there links, they would buy lots of links from high quality sites and the rest was mostly outsourced.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by ukcarl View Post

      Well I can tell you I have worked for a big agency here in the UK and they just bought most of there links, they would buy lots of links from high quality sites and the rest was mostly outsourced.
      Yep despite google pretending they can tell theres really no way their algo or even manual reviewers can spot all the bought links out there. Fortunately or unfortunately buying links (NOT to be confused with link packages or backlinks blasts but high quality INDIVIDUAL LINKS) still runs a good part of the search results top listings.
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  • Profile picture of the author jetsetter883
    OP here. Thanks to everyone for all of their responses.

    @Mike Anthony:
    You speak of forming relationships and creating networks of sites to obtain linking opportunities and such for customers. Around how many sites are you talking about? In the hundreds? In the thousands? Funny, I just started working with an e-commerce company who needed an SEO guy and I feel like such an amateur. But.. they used an SEO company to try and boost rankings and the 'backlinks' I saw in the reports were in the hundreds and all from spammy crap sites.. presumably their own network. None of them were indexed. So I'm just curious if you can elaborate when you refer to having access to a network of sites, as most things I have seen and heard along these lines have been horror stories insofar as SEO companies 'leveraging' their own networks to rank clients. Just curious for your input.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by jetsetter883 View Post

      You speak of forming relationships and creating networks of sites to obtain linking opportunities and such for customers. Around how many sites are you talking about? In the hundreds? In the thousands?
      Depends on the agency but certainly not thousands. Its an IM SEO myth that you need thousands of links. 50-100 of the right kind of links can sky rocket sites particularly if you have done good keyword and competition research. Plus you have to realize that a quality site also gets traffic. So if you got a story with your link in say a major tech blog you can count on additional exposure that will lead to more links naturally and even on occasion virally.


      . But.. they used an SEO company to try and boost rankings and the 'backlinks' I saw in the reports were in the hundreds and all from spammy crap sites.. presumably their own network
      Hazard of the profession is that now anyone calls themselves a SEO and a professional SEO company. Its like mechanics. In florida at least there is someone holding themselves out as a professional mechanic on every block

      None of them were indexed
      See? amateur hour

      So I'm just curious if you can elaborate when you refer to having access to a network of sites, as most things I have seen and heard along these lines have been horror stories insofar as SEO companies 'leveraging' their own networks to rank clients. Just curious for your input.
      Don't know where you are getting your horror stories from. I'm not going to out any well run SEO network on an open forum but if I did you would be wowed by the rankings they get in some EXTREMELY competitive serps. You seem to be using that "SEO company" as one of your measuring sticks but a SEO company that doesn't even get links indexed is a fraud. For one its just about statistically impossible to have a SEO network with high PR domains for your customers that stay on the High pr pages and not get any of them indexed. Shucks I don;t even ping PR 3 links on my network (even lowly PR2 ) and they get indexed . Unfortunately like I said there are many running around claiming what they are not

      So you can't use that as your measuring stick for what professional companies do just as you can't do what most people in this thread are doing - projecting their own use of software and trashy links as what professional SEOs do.

      Someone even said Xrummer to promote their own service. Funny stuff and Interesting thread though. Wish you the best. Seems you have a mind and heart to learn so you should be better for that company than the last jokers.
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    I am also working such a company.tedious work!
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  • Profile picture of the author SalAG
    Interesting question. Hm.. I'm wondering how they do that too. In my opinion, I think these companies have powerful networks. Plus, they outsource a good number of employees. For content related works for example, they would hire a good number of writers and ask these writers a minimum number of articles daily. Then for each project, one submitter is assigned. In order to cope with deadlines, some companies give incentives.
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  • Profile picture of the author mikest4u
    Great Discussions! Most of The SEO Services have Their own Websites and Blogs from where They Get Back Links Effectively! As Far as Highly Trained SEO professionals are Concerned Most of The Companies have Only Link Builders which Don't have ability to Think Out of The Box!
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  • Profile picture of the author sivagopi
    Yes! I Agree with all the points made here.

    Most of the SEO companies have their own websites/blogs and they are regularly doing on page and off page for those websites/blogs.

    I had worked in a SEO company for 2 years and they have websites/blogs in all niches. So if they get website for SEO they will just analyze what the keywords are and place those keywords in template. So that the particular keyword will surely get a great start in case of SERP.

    And then they will just maintain the site sith bacic link building techniques.
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  • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
    So.....the question is can an IMER beat an SEO company in terms of ranking for that particular KW? Or is that pointles?
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  • Profile picture of the author melahi
    I will not name the company but used a SEO company named in topseos.com and think they might be using an automated system for social bookmarking probably. Anyway it might have been a mistake to shell out the money to them but well anyone have any recommendations for social bookmarking submitter?
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  • Profile picture of the author ShaneMcc
    Its good to hear from someone in a real seo company Mike as to what is done in real seo companies rather than the multitude of jokers one can get on these type of forums pretending to be seo gurus when they clearly are not
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by ShaneMcc View Post

      Its good to hear from someone in a real seo company Mike as to what is done in real seo companies rather than the multitude of jokers one can get on these type of forums pretending to be seo gurus when they clearly are not
      I'm a small fish Shane. Mainly two man team with a free lancer here and there bumping us up to a staff of 3 or 4. Don't want to represent I secretly work for some big corporate SEO company. However I have had to go into niches. where some big companies operate. My clients don't have as deep pockets as corporations so I have to pick and choose my keywords well but in the process you meet and get to see what other professional SEOs do. Just look at the backlink profiles from a few random search results in big business and you will see that the idea that all these seos are using software like Xrummer is a joke. Its even less true since Panda.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
    I think it really depends on the company. Most obviously have huge resources at their disposal - major newspaper contacts (even I know a few, so I imagine a large agency has hundreds of connections), vast private blog networks and other quality resources.

    I also know that a lot of those same pro companies order cheaper services on IM forums. Even simple stuff like bookmarking. Believe it or not, we get a lot of $25 orders for simple blasts to sites like (not going to name the company publicly) Standard & Poor’s Ratings, etc. Most of the time they target press releases and various research papers/reports with those.

    It depends.
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  • Profile picture of the author seanpearse
    Yeah I agree Mike, you make some very solid points. I had long suspected that was how the major white hat SEO companies operate and it is interesting to hear those suspicions confounded. I'm a very small fish also and the thought of building a network of relevant sites solely for the purposes of boosting client's rankings is daunting to say the least. It simply makes it all the more challenging for us little guys to compete and all the more rewarding if we do!!
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  • Profile picture of the author patco
    They use a ready-to-do list with "instructions" and each time they do the same (because their strategy is great!)
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  • Profile picture of the author dminorfmajor
    Big SEO companies have their own networks with high pagerank and traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author jetsetter883
    OP here. Thanks again to everyone who has chimed in so far.

    As I mentioned above, I just got hired by a small company to attempt to bring this guy's six e-commerce websites back from the grave. Unfortunately I am new to SEO and he has me emailing random webmasters and directory owners that link to our competitors to see about getting a link. Needless to say I hardly ever get a response, and most of them want money for links. I keep trying to tell him that we really have to start paying for links but he is insistent that quality links can be had with enough detective work. You can imagine my stress levels when at the end of the day he complains nothing is getting done since we don't have any links (he is not very technologically savvy). Thank GOD he is going to be interviewing someone from an SEO company tomorrow who does consulting work on the side, and can hopefully back me up on the suggestions I've been making to him (mostly that we need to pay for links).

    But I'm fascinated with how these SEO companies work, and am just wondering how they go about acquiring these networks. Do they bribe bloggers to give up their high PR sites? Do they solicit existing influential bloggers to contract with them? Do they simply invest time and resources into building hundreds of high PR blogs that they can then use to host their clients' links? That seems like it would take a millenia.

    Anyway, as I said, I'm new to SEO, but it is something I want to do professionally and I am determined to know this stuff despite my new gig throwing me for a loop.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Nope you can have a medium size network ready to rank you in many serps in a few weeks but if you boss's budget is zero then its a no go for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author stevenpayales
    Solid points from everyone but technically .. Most SEO companies will simply say "We do whitehat methods only" but actually they are using some blackhat methods also
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  • Profile picture of the author jetsetter883
    @Rogers.. i would imagine this method is mainly reserved for the smaller guys who do not have a high PR network of sites to put links on. but it definitely seems to be a common method, as there are large companies out there who will provide white label SEO.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    As I said to another poster I don't want to represent that all SEO pros use networks or even only networks. Buying links in one shape or another is however pretty rampant plus creating linkbait is another tactic. the problem with just contacting people and asking them for a link to a commercial site is a matter of motivation. Most webmasters are going to look at it like spam - why in the world should I give you a link? The other use of aged domains that you would have in your network is to do three way links with webmasters but yeah going blindly in with emailing people to get links is going to be a frustrating process because theres no incentive.
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  • Profile picture of the author tro2
    I haven't analysed the work done by top SEOs in the US but I have for many leading SEO companies in the UK. Unfortunately, use of obvious mixed content networks (that they own) is rampant.
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