Google Webmaster Tools notice of detected unnatural links!

12 years ago

Same here, just got those messages. Anyone else has experience this in past and any tips how to proceed. I got this for most of my sites, even the ones I havent bought/done seo jobs in like 6 months. My sites are still indexed and still has rankings, though I am guessing that unfortunately might change soon.

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videolover7 12 years ago

That's what happens when you "game" the system. Eventually you get caught.

You can bet Google is working hard to uncover unnatural links. Should be interesting to hear folks scream when Google figures out who's running link farms... and all those links go away too.

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yukon

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Isabella86

Hi I wondered if anyone could help me out! We're a web design company who have been outsourcing SEO for some of our clients. We've been using a freelance SEO consultant over the course of the last year, but today we've had a notice from Google for a large number of our sites which goes as follows:

"Dear site owner or webmaster of (our site),

We've detected that some of your site's pages may be using techniques that are outside Google's Webmaster Guidelines.

Specifically, look for possibly artificial or unnatural links pointing to your site that could be intended to manipulate PageRank. Examples of unnatural linking could include buying links to pass PageRank or participating in link schemes.

We encourage you to make changes to your site so that it meets our quality guidelines. Once you've made these changes, please submit your site for reconsideration in Google's search results.

If you find unnatural links to your site that you are unable to control or remove, please provide the details in your reconsideration request.

If you have any questions about how to resolve this issue, please see our Webmaster Help Forum for support.

Sincerely,

Google Search Quality Team"

I wondered if anyone has any advice on why this might have happened? Or what we can do do fix it? Thank you so much in advance!!!! X

If you don't know what your SEO guy is doing as far as building links, how do you expect anyone else to know?

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dsbusiness23

12 years ago

Isabella86, have your rankings been affected? domainmadness, You mention that you received notices to all of your sites? Have you been buying links? Or are you currently a member of any link exchanges?

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domainmadness

12 years ago

Originally Posted by dsbusiness23

Isabella86, have your rankings been affected? domainmadness, You mention that you received notices to all of your sites? Have you been buying links? Or are you currently a member of any link exchanges?

I got the message for MOST of my sites, not all. I have a outsourced my SEO, not sure what is counted as buying links? Im not part of any link exchanges.

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yukon Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by domainmadness

I got the message for MOST of my sites, not all. I have a outsourced my SEO, not sure what is counted as buying links? Im not part of any link exchanges.

Who did you hire & what type of links did they build?

How did they build the links?

Need more info.
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- dsbusiness23 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by yukon
  
  Who did you hire & what type of links did they build?
  
  How did they build the links?
  
  Need more info.
  
  Like Yukon said, we need some more information to help you. I assume this will be the last month you pay that SEO consultant lol
  
  Its sad though.
  
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  domainmadness 12 years ago
  
  I dont have exact details atm, but building strategy should be diversified and "professional", not like buying bunch of fiver gigs. Also, I have sites that did not get a warning, which are using same kind of SEO/backlink strategy. So it seems bit weird and unconsistent. Don't know what to think and how to react. Firing my SEO guy/guys would be too soon I think. Also, Im reading around the net and many people are getting this lately.
  
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  Duncan 12 years ago
  
  It is never to early to fire anyone doing crap work. If they are harming your business they need to be fired. And should pay you cash back for the damages.
  
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UMS

12 years ago

Given that you probably pay good money to your SEO person, get them to detail exactly the methods they are using to gain the backlinks.

If they can't or won't provide you with the information, then you have a problem with them that needs sorting out ASAP.

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dsbusiness23

12 years ago

Originally Posted by UMS

Given that you probably pay good money to your SEO person, get them to detail exactly the methods they are using to gain the backlinks.

If they can't or won't provide you with the information, then you have a problem with them that needs sorting out ASAP.

Agree with this completely. Find out exactly how they are building your links. Find out what sites they are using and tools. How fast they building them. Any good SEO service provider should be able to detail this for you.

I was going to also ask you how your ranks are since receiving the notice. Also was it an email you received or in webmaster tools?

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domainmadness

12 years ago

Originally Posted by dsbusiness23

Agree with this completely. Find out exactly how they are building your links. Find out what sites they are using and tools. How fast they building them. Any good SEO service provider should be able to detail this for you.

I was going to also ask you how your ranks are since receiving the notice. Also was it an email you received or in webmaster tools?

My rankings and traffic has not changed, yet. I received it in WMT.

I have multiple SEO providers, others provides full reports, others not, and Im fine with that and kind of understand the reasons. I have contacted both of my main SEO guys and trying to figure this out. Havent heard back from other one yet and dont know what he thinks about this.

Other one has a lot of clients and only had 1 other client having this message, and that was also today. We both have at least one thing common, same, non-english language.

Also, like I said, this is happening to many sites lately.

It is never to early to fire anyone doing crap work. If they are harming your business they need to be fired. And should pay you cash back for the damages.

I dont believe this is right way to look at it with the information I have at the moment. I know that probably some of the links my seo providers are building might be considered spammy depending the way you look at it, but to be honest, it is how it is. You cant rank without breaking Googles guidelines.

Also, not all my sites (which has same SEO provider) received a warning. Also, like I said this is happening a lot to other webmasters too lately.

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yukon

Banned 12 years ago

Since your sites are still indexed, I would delete the GWT verification code on the site, delete the GWT profile for the site, clear the browser history, log back in & submit the same site again to GWT.

Test a single site in GWT & see what happens, does the message come back after a few days/weeks?

Still, you need to know 100% what types of links your SEO guy is building.

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linkbuildr

12 years ago

Stop buying "link building" from vendors on here..it's all low quality spam spam spam. If you're building links and they're not naturally given then Google is going to determine that as against their TOS.

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Genesis1

12 years ago

It gets harder to rank nowadays with google. it's just not stable anymore

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dsbusiness23 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Genesis1

It gets harder to rank nowadays with google. it's just not stable anymore

I think it's getting easier to rank honestly. With the amount of people giving up on SEO altogether. It's just also a lot easier to make a mistake and fail.
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Fernando Veloso

12 years ago

No one here can help.

Period.

Harm is done, and UNLESS you can go out and remove a kazillion backlinks, you'll suffer a penalty/filter.

More: Google is so hateful toward IM'ers that sites with less then 10 backlinks received that same message/warning. So... even people with no SEO in place got hammered by this "dominating" attitude from Google.

What amazes me is those sites that sell airline tickets (for a huge commission) - they spam the hell out of Google everyday, they create lot's of backdoor pages, and YET, they rank top 3 for all their keywords.

Google loves them, go figure...

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dsbusiness23

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso

No one here can help.

Period.

Harm is done, and UNLESS you can go out and remove a kazillion backlinks, you'll suffer a penalty/filter.

More: Google is so hateful toward IM'ers that sites with less then 10 backlinks received that same message/warning. So... even people with no SEO in place got hammered by this "dominating" attitude from Google.

What amazes me is those sites that sell airline tickets (for a huge commission) - they spam the hell out of Google everyday, they create lot's of backdoor pages, and YET, they rank top 3 for all their keywords.

Google loves them, go figure...

Did you get hit with one of these notices? I agree about Google hating internet marketers, even though that is what they are too when you think about it, at least that's where they came from. That is sad that even sites with just 10 links got hit.

I wonder what big name companies had to deal with it. Is this JC Penny scandal all over again?

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Fernando Veloso

12 years ago

Originally Posted by dsbusiness23

Did you get hit with one of these notices?

Yes, last year.

That is sad that even sites with just 10 links got hit.

Google seemed to take a % of sites inside webmasters tools - including sites with a couple backlinks. Not all of these sites had "weird" backlink profile, but since ONE had it... the others got hit too.

Awesome, huh?

I wonder what big name companies had to deal with it. Is this JC Penny scandal all over again?

Big companies get a "yellow card" and they get back after a couple months - but the small guy gets hit for one/two years.

Do a search and see what happened last year, lot's of sites got nuked.

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dp40oz

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso

Yes, last year.

Google seemed to take a % of sites inside webmasters tools - including sites with a couple backlinks. Not all of these sites had "weird" backlink profile, but since ONE had it... the others got hit too.

Awesome, huh?

Big companies get a "yellow card" and they get back after a couple months - but the small guy gets hit for one/two years.

Do a search and see what happened last year, lot's of sites got nuked.

Never use Webmaster Tools or Analytics. You're asking for trouble.

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cssitkt

12 years ago

All of my sites just got hit and have been de-indexed. The ones linked to google webmaster tools have this message: 'Google Webmaster Tools notice of unnatural links detected'

Most of the links to my sites were private blog networks with PR home pages. The other types of links were added mainly for variation. I never used Senuke X, AMR, Xrumer or Scrapebox - not directly to my site anyway. The anchor texts were varied and all of my sites had at least PR3.

The common statement - backlinks can't harm you because competitors would be able to hurt is simple not true.

I think it's game over folks.

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cssitkt

12 years ago

Originally Posted by cssitkt

All of my sites just got hit and have been de-indexed. The ones linked to google webmaster tools have this message: 'Google Webmaster Tools notice of unnatural links detected'

Most of the links to my sites were private blog networks with PR home pages. The other types of links were added mainly for variation. I never used Senuke X, AMR, Xrumer or Scrapebox - not directly to my site anyway. The anchor texts were varied and all of my sites had at least PR3.

The common statement - backlinks can't harm you because competitors would be able to hurt is simple not true.

I think it's game over folks.

Typing mistake while searching - my sites are still indexed. The main effect is that non of my keywords now rank at all and I had 120 that were in the top 5 on Google spread across several sites.

Also for folks implying that this can only happen to those that use google webmaster tools or similar - i simple don't believe that. Google webmaster tools is simple where the 'Google Webmaster Tools notice of unnatural links detected' message is posted. Do you really think the google will not do anything to your site because you don't use google webmaster tools!?

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slix

12 years ago

Originally Posted by cssitkt

All of my sites just got hit and have been de-indexed. The ones linked to google webmaster tools have this message: 'Google Webmaster Tools notice of unnatural links detected'

Most of the links to my sites were private blog networks with PR home pages. The other types of links were added mainly for variation. I never used Senuke X, AMR, Xrumer or Scrapebox - not directly to my site anyway. The anchor texts were varied and all of my sites had at least PR3.

The common statement - backlinks can't harm you because competitors would be able to hurt is simple not true.

I think it's game over folks.

This has nothing to do with Google Webmaster Tool, but with PR home page backlinks. A couple of days ago google deindex most of blog networks made for home page links renting and people who relied on this backlink method exclusively got hit very bad.

Slix

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cssitkt

12 years ago

Originally Posted by slix

This has nothing to do with Google Webmaster Tool, but with PR home page backlinks. A couple of days ago google deindex most of blog networks made for home page links renting and people who relied on this backlink method exclusively got hit very bad.

Slix

Agreed it has nothing to do with Google Webmaster Tools - this is simple were they post the message:

"Google Webmaster Tools notice of unnatural links detected...please submit your site for reconsideration"

Thousands of sites appear to have been hit over the weekend.

I never had home page PR links mainly blog posts from private blog networks but i've heard of it happening to so many sites there doesn't appear to one culprit.

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hdalive

12 years ago

Originally Posted by dp40oz

Never use Webmaster Tools or Analytics. You're asking for trouble.

Thats some answer. Google Analytics and webmaster tools are very important tools for your website to analyze site traffic, ranking keywords, pages getting high CPM or CPC and to figure out bad links.

Google panda detects article submission as unwanted link building along with unnecessary auto blog commenting.

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dp40oz

12 years ago

Originally Posted by hdalive

Thats some answer. Google Analytics and webmaster tools are very important tools for your website to analyze site traffic, ranking keywords, pages getting high CPM or CPC and to figure out bad links.

Google panda detects article submission as unwanted link building along with unnecessary auto blog commenting.

Webmaster tools and analytics allow Google to punish all of your sites. I am not saying you wouldn't be penalized because you don't use webmaster tools but you wouldn't be leaving yourself open to mass penalties across all sites. Google has been known to punish entire webmaster and analytics accounts. Its just safer. There are many ways to analyze traffic rather then analytics and webmaster tools. I actually prefer a few other methods over them.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by dp40oz

Webmaster tools and analytics allow Google to punish all of your sites. I am not saying you wouldn't be penalized because you don't use webmaster tools but you wouldn't be leaving yourself open to mass penalties across all sites. Google has been known to punish entire webmaster and analytics accounts. Its just safer. There are many ways to analyze traffic rather then analytics and webmaster tools. I actually prefer a few other methods over them.

Well then wouldn't that be the case if I were to use Google Adsense too? It's all linked together.

And besides, my site is indexed it's in Google, it's in the web. It's the big G. "God" in the internet world. I mean, I don't think it really matters whether you use analytics this or that, they know either way.

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dp40oz

12 years ago

Originally Posted by GGpaul

Well then wouldn't that be the case if I were to use Google Adsense too? It's all linked together.

And besides, my site is indexed it's in Google, it's in the web. It's the big G. "God" in the internet world. I mean, I don't think it really matters whether you use analytics this or that, they know either way.

Well yes if you are tying all of your sites to the same adsense account. But I didn't assume that everyone was doing that. If you wanna play with fire and game the system (which I do for living I might add) then be smart about it. I just don't get the logic of some people. By using blog networks, Senuke, Xrumer ect.. you are trying to manipulate Google. So you are gaming their algo. But then you decide to give them full access to all of your information. It'd be the equivalent of robbing from Chase, then depositing all the money you stole into a Chase bank account.

If you are serious SEO then you need to cover your a$$. Don't tie all of your sites to one Adsense account, don't give Google access to your traffic information and onpage user interaction through Analytics and don't use Webmaster tools. Don't use the same hosting account for everyone of your sites, don't use the same whois information for all of your sites. If you are dealing with 1-2 sites then whatever it doesn't really matter, but I am boggled by people with 10+ sites who still have them all so easily identifiable by Google. It just leaves you open to lose everything in 1 swoop. Why make it so easy for them to ruin your business.

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GGpaul

12 years ago

Originally Posted by dp40oz

Well yes if you are tying all of your sites to the same adsense account. But I didn't assume that everyone was doing that. If you wanna play with fire and game the system (which I do for living I might add) then be smart about it. I just don't get the logic of some people. By using blog networks, Senuke, Xrumer ect.. you are trying to manipulate Google. So you are gaming their algo. But then you decide to give them full access to all of your information. It'd be the equivalent of robbing from Chase, then depositing all the money you stole into a Chase bank account.

If you are serious SEO then you need to cover your a$$. Don't tie all of your sites to one Adsense account, don't give Google access to your traffic information and onpage user interaction through Analytics and don't use Webmaster tools. Don't use the same hosting account for everyone of your sites, don't use the same whois information for all of your sites. If you are dealing with 1-2 sites then whatever it doesn't really matter, but I am boggled by people with 10+ sites who still have them all so easily identifiable by Google. It just leaves you open to lose everything in 1 swoop. Why make it so easy for them to ruin your business.

I see. Well I haven't gone to that point yet, but I get what you're saying. Thanks!

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yukon

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by dp40oz

Well yes if you are tying all of your sites to the same adsense account. But I didn't assume that everyone was doing that. If you wanna play with fire and game the system (which I do for living I might add) then be smart about it. I just don't get the logic of some people. By using blog networks, Senuke, Xrumer ect.. you are trying to manipulate Google. So you are gaming their algo. But then you decide to give them full access to all of your information. It'd be the equivalent of robbing from Chase, then depositing all the money you stole into a Chase bank account.

If you are serious SEO then you need to cover your a$$. Don't tie all of your sites to one Adsense account, don't give Google access to your traffic information and onpage user interaction through Analytics and don't use Webmaster tools. Don't use the same hosting account for everyone of your sites, don't use the same whois information for all of your sites. If you are dealing with 1-2 sites then whatever it doesn't really matter, but I am boggled by people with 10+ sites who still have them all so easily identifiable by Google. It just leaves you open to lose everything in 1 swoop. Why make it so easy for them to ruin your business.

Thing is not everyone blast the he$$ out of their sites with spammy links.

I've had all my sites hooked up to GA & GWT for years & seriously never worried what Google is looking at on those sites data. Granted I now have only a few larger sites (cleaned house), but my site inventory is constantly changing.

If a guy runs Adsense I just don't understand their logic that they can hide what they are doing with their sites while Adsense is on their pages, it just doesn't make any sense to me.

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dp40oz

12 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Thing is not everyone blast the he$$ out of their sites with spammy links.

I've had all my sites hooked up to GA & GWT for years & seriously never worried what Google is looking at on those sites data. Granted I now have only a few larger sites (cleaned house), but my site inventory is constantly changing.

If a guy runs Adsense I just don't understand their logic that they can hide what they are doing with their sites while Adsense is on their pages, it just doesn't make any sense to me.

True, but thats why you open separate businesses for different groups of sites and have them run different adsense accounts. Or like me, start realizing that there are better ways to monetize then with Adsense and move on.

Yukon you yourself have admitted to using BMR which is an obvious ploy to game the system. Now I think if Google decided to punish you for it its easier when you only have a few sites to condone using Google tools like analytics and webmaster tools. If they did punish you you can file for reconsideration and just try and clean up those bmr posts. But for guys with many sites its just not smart to give Google anymore information about your sites then you need to.

I don't get why people would ever use analytics personally. Google doesn't even show you all keywords incoming anymore. There are way better trackers. Webmaster tools I can see but not for anyone with a a big website portfolio.

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yukon

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by dp40oz

True, but thats why you open separate businesses for different groups of sites and have them run different adsense accounts. Or like me, start realizing that there are better ways to monetize then with Adsense and move on.

Yukon you yourself have admitted to using BMR which is an obvious ploy to game the system. Now I think if Google decided to punish you for it its easier when you only have a few sites to condone using Google tools like analytics and webmaster tools. If they did punish you you can file for reconsideration and just try and clean up those bmr posts. But for guys with many sites its just not smart to give Google anymore information about your sites then you need to.

I don't get why people would ever use analytics personally. Google doesn't even show you all keywords incoming anymore. There are way better trackers. Webmaster tools I can see but not for anyone with a a big website portfolio.

I've never had any problem with BMR style links, so I don't worry about that.

As far as GWT, I use it, but that is by far the crappiest tool Google has ever made. The GWT data is always way behind, at least it is for all my sites. I might remove my sites from GWT but only because it doesn't serve much purpose since the data is most times outdated with the real SERPs.

I run Adsense so I already know G is tracking traffic, links, whatever...

I use GA because it lets me track Adsense earnings per individual page, no other tool can do do that. With GA I know the exact source of the incoming traffic that earned X amount of money on each page, again no other tool can do that.

Anyone that is running Adsense on their pages is ony fooling themselves If they think Google isn't tracking everything that happens on that Adsense page. You can bet Adsense is the king of tracking data, Adsense is Googles cash cow, I guarantee they won't let their guard down on that.

Bottom line, running Adsense on a page is the equivalent to running GA.

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dsbusiness23

12 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

I've never had any problem with BMR style links, so I don't worry about that.

As far as GWT, I use it, but that is by far the crappiest tool Google has ever made. The GWT data is always way behind, at least it is for all my sites. I might remove my sites from GWT but only because it doesn't serve much purpose since the data is most times outdated with the real SERPs.

I run Adsense so I already know G is tracking traffic, links, whatever...

I use GA because it lets me track Adsense earnings per individual page, no other tool can do do that. With GA I know the exact source of the incoming traffic that earned X amount of money on each page, again no other tool can do that.

Anyone that is running Adsense on their pages is ony fooling themselves If they think Google isn't tracking everything that happens on that Adsense page. You can bet Adsense is the king of tracking data, Adsense is Googles cash cow, I guarantee they won't let their guard down on that.

Bottom line, running Adsense on a page is the equivalent to running GA.

I do not think that GWT is useless. It can easily help you create robot.txt files. You can check the links that Google knows point to your site (hate that it won't tell you do or nofollow though) I use SEO powersuite, but finding backlinks with it has been super slow for me lately. Anyone else having these issues?

Matt Cutts claims that what is in GWT is very accurate about how Google see's your site. Understand I am not one who advocates that Google is not lying when they come out with updates. Indeed I feel most of the time they are. However GWT does in fact let you a little bit into the mind of Google and you don't have to have all your sites on just one account.

Has anyone even considered that by having your site linked to GWT you might be seen as more authoritative once your website really gets going?

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yukon

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by dsbusiness23

I do not think that GWT is useless. It can easily help you create robot.txt files. You can check the links that Google knows point to your site (hate that it won't tell you do or nofollow though

They don't show you a lot of the links in GWT that they know about.

Check some of your backlinks that don't show in GWT & have a Google cache on the backlink/page. If the page is cached G knows about the backlink, even If they don't show that link in GWT. Just saying.

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dsbusiness23

12 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

They don't show you a lot of the links in GWT that they know about.

Check some of your backlinks that don't show in GWT & have a Google cache on the backlink/page. If the page is cached G knows about the backlink, even If they don't show that link in GWT. Just saying.

Would not be the first time, at least in my opinion that Matt Cutts has lied about what Google does. I do feel that there is some use to GWT. I have heard good arguments from top marketers about using it and why ypu shouldn't so it seems to be a preference,.. if you are planning on doing a bunch of spam blasts all the time, then I would not recommend using GWT

But I don't recommend that approach at all either.

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RayW

12 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Bottom line, running Adsense on a page is the equivalent to running GA.

Are you sure? Adsense is run by the Adsense team, which as we all know, does not interact with the Webspam team at all. The Webspam team has access to Analytics and Webmaster tools accounts, but not Adsense accounts.

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yukon

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by RayW

Are you sure? Adsense is run by the Adsense team, which as we all know, does not interact with the Webspam team at all. The Webspam team has access to Analytics and Webmaster tools accounts, but not Adsense accounts.

No we all don't know that, lol.

I bet my last nickel Adsense accounts deliver more data to Google than our Ga accounts show us.

This is a billion dollar business (Google), not some new CPA startup running out of some guys kitchen.

Trust me, that Adsense page will deliver any data Google wants to see. Doesn't matter If your running GA or not.

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cagliostro

12 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

I bet my last nickel Adsense accounts deliver more data to Google than our Ga accounts show us.

Trust me, that Adsense page will deliver any data Google wants to see. Doesn't matter If your running GA or not.

Maybe so. But Yukon still some data will not be revealed to Google. For example every Fiverr i was buying, i was seing a log (in the software recent visits) that was VERY clear what it was (I Fiverr guy dealing with my order, like Fivver/orders/someguy/). And other information also.

Better safe than sorry. I have removed GA from most websites the last week and see if anything changes.

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RayW 12 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

No we all don't know that, lol.

Well, it's true. When Google updated their algo to penalize rankings for having too many ads above the fold, the Adsense team sent out an email to publishers telling them to put more ads above the fold lol. Many top-earning adsense earners who have spoken to Adsense representatives have asked them and they have all said that the adsense team does not interact at all with the webspam team.

Originally Posted by yukon

Trust me, that Adsense page will deliver any data Google wants to see. Doesn't matter If your running GA or not.

Have any evidence to back that up?
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Carl Brown

12 years ago

From what I've come across, those getting these messages have backlinks on blog comments that have been marked as spam by the blog owner.

I've never gotten one, but I've also stayed away from blog commenting

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scottmacair

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Carl Brown

From what I've come across, those getting these messages have backlinks on blog comments that have been marked as spam by the blog owner.

I've never gotten one, but I've also stayed away from blog commenting

What a lot of nonsense. I have sites with the penalty message and never made a single spam comment.

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Carl Brown

12 years ago

Originally Posted by scottmacair

What a lot of nonsense. I have sites with the penalty message and never made a single spam comment.

That's just silly. Because you got one and claim you've never made a spam comment, it does not follow that that is not a factor.

Not sure if I can link to it, but this was one of my sources. And another

Take it or leave it.

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scottmacair

12 years ago

I have 4 sites that received the message from Google and have many friends who also received the message. None of these sites used spam blog comments for backlinks.

Anything could be a factor that is considered unnatural.

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ddzc

12 years ago

Hey guys,

I really need your help and advice here.

I have a site which I worked my *** off on for 5 years straight (mostly in development). I did my own completely white hat SEO work with it since the start but I couldn't rank for much b/c my market is a tad competitive. I was recommended to this SEO firm a month ago and I paid them to gain me links to my homepage and several subpages and they wanted various keywords for every page which vary, which I supplied.

2 weeks go by and my ranks starting going up...after 3-4 days boom, gone..all my ranks disappeared and that same day I got "Google Webmaster Tools notice of detected unnatural links to mydomain". I'm utterly pissed right now because I spent years of my life and every penny of savings I had on this site and it's in the trash bin right now.

I asked the guy exactly what he did and he said he got me links to all of my pages, varried keyword, etc. He used "Directory submissions, article submissions, social bookmarking, article bookmarking, web 2.0 pages).

I told him to remove everything he did from the start...but I still haven't heard back from them because they have access to all of the profiles, etc.

I'm a little surprised that those links got me banned, but it did. My site only comes up in google if I type the domain name, nothing else.

Here is where I need some honest advice. Do I get the links removed and send a reconsideration request? Even if Google does reconsider me, wont I be on there radar at all times? As disgusting as this sounds...would it be more beneficial for me to start from scratch on a new domain name all together and forget the past 5 years I put in to this site?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by ddzc

Hey guys,

I really need your help and advice here.

I have a site which I worked my *** off on for 5 years straight (mostly in development). I did my own completely white hat SEO work with it since the start but I couldn't rank for much b/c my market is a tad competitive. I was recommended to this SEO firm a month ago and I paid them to gain me links to my homepage and several subpages and they wanted various keywords for every page which vary, which I supplied.

2 weeks go by and my ranks starting going up...after 3-4 days boom, gone..all my ranks disappeared and that same day I got "Google Webmaster Tools notice of detected unnatural links to mydomain". I'm utterly pissed right now because I spent years of my life and every penny of savings I had on this site and it's in the trash bin right now.

I asked the guy exactly what he did and he said he got me links to all of my pages, varried keyword, etc. He used "Directory submissions, article submissions, social bookmarking, article bookmarking, web 2.0 pages).

I told him to remove everything he did from the start...but I still haven't heard back from them because they have access to all of the profiles, etc.

I'm a little surprised that those links got me banned, but it did. My site only comes up in google if I type the domain name, nothing else.

Here is where I need some honest advice. Do I get the links removed and send a reconsideration request? Even if Google does reconsider me, wont I be on there radar at all times? As disgusting as this sounds...would it be more beneficial for me to start from scratch on a new domain name all together and forget the past 5 years I put in to this site?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Maybe it's just the dance.

And if it's not...The 5 years you said was in website development, so just take the site to a new domain. The links are pointing to the domain name, and not your actual website.

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Cantbedone!

12 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Thing is not everyone blast the he$$ out of their sites with spammy links.

I've had all my sites hooked up to GA & GWT for years & seriously never worried what Google is looking at on those sites data. Granted I now have only a few larger sites (cleaned house), but my site inventory is constantly changing.

If a guy runs Adsense I just don't understand their logic that they can hide what they are doing with their sites while Adsense is on their pages, it just doesn't make any sense to me.

Agreed. If you are using Adsense across multiple sites, then your sites are already linked regardless of whether or not you use Analytics or WMT. Also I thought that having multiple Adsense accounts was a direct violation of Adsense TOS. How do you get around that? Open a bunch of LLC's or DBA's? Use your cousins names?

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ChrisJohn 12 years ago

Yes, you can have more than one account as long as it is under a different "umbrella."
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deezn 12 years ago

Originally Posted by dp40oz

Never use Webmaster Tools or Analytics. You're asking for trouble.

I've removed the big eye of Sauron from my websites.
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yukon

Banned 12 years ago

Lol, why do people take Google SERPs so personal?

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GrowTraffic 12 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Lol, why do people take Google SERPs so personal?

Perhaps it's because they can be the difference between having a business and not?
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  Perhaps it's because they can be the difference between having a business and not?
  
  There are multiple ways of generating sales/traffic as well. You can have a business without using the SERP's.
  
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retsek

12 years ago

Why are you here asking for help. Google tells you exactly what you need to do to fix it.

- DON'T go and delete the sites now from WMT. That's just dumb and accomplishes nothing. You think deleting the site will delete the data Google holds for it? No.
- Go to this url. File a reconsideration request. https://www.google.com/webmasters/to...deration?hl=en. Within 1-2 weeks, it will be read by a Human.
- In the request, you say that you hired an "SEO company and you didn't realise that the work they were doing would be outside Google's guidelines". Mention the company name and web address if possible.
- You then state you have done since to clean up the site and remove the un-natural links created by the seo company. Something along the lines of instructing the said SEO company to remove the links they created, and also removing as much as possible yourself.
- Obviously you're not gonna be able to remove all. Google just needs to see that you're making an effort.
- If the request is denied, work on removing more and file again.
- I would abandon a site at a third failed request and do a 301 redirect to a new domain.

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Jordan Kovats

12 years ago

Don't you get a report from your Guy? If so, you need to spot check some of the work. It is no longer about thousands of links in my opinion...there needs to be some quality in there. I have always said, 1 good quality link beats a thousand crappy links ANY day.

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dean1986

12 years ago

hmm, I got the same message, the funny thing is, I only got it for website im using BUildmyrank on,

We've detected that some of your site's pages may be using techniques that are outside Google's Webmaster Guidelines.
Specifically, look for possibly artificial or unnatural links pointing to your site that could be intended to manipulate PageRank. Examples of unnatural linking could include buying links to pass PageRank or participating in link schemes.
We encourage you to make changes to your site so that it meets our quality guidelines. Once you've made these changes, please submit your site for reconsideration in Google's search results.
If you find unnatural links to your site that you are unable to control or remove, please provide the details in your reconsideration request.
If you have any questions about how to resolve this issue, please see our Webmaster Help Forum for support.

My rankings have not moved yet but im guessing over the next few weeks they will fluctuate.

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kindsvater 12 years ago

Originally Posted by dean1986

hmm, I got the same message, the funny thing is, I only got it for website im using BUildmyrank on

In other words: the Canary in the coal mine most IMers pay no attention to.

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ChrisJohn

12 years ago

A couple weeks back a partner of mine resubmitted his site after receiving this notice in his Webmaster Tools account. Within a week or so things were back to normal. That being said, make sure your reconsideration request is as detailed as possible.

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studlee46

12 years ago

One of my sites got hit too. No message in GWT but the homepage stopped ranking for anything competitive. It's still indexed and sub pages rank on pages 3+. The homepage has come back to the first page a few times, (but not where it was). It's only stayed at most a day then bam, gone again. It's been about 4 days now and hoping that it is a dance or some kind of shuffling.

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multifactorguru

12 years ago

A lot of good information in this thread however the fact is that SEO is different for everyone since we all target different verticals and all utilize different efforts.

Personally though paying an SEO consultant is asking for trouble.

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D_Incredible_Hulk 12 years ago

Originally Posted by multifactorguru

.... Personally though paying an SEO consultant is asking for trouble.

I would qualify that - Paying and not knowing what is getting done behind my back is recipe for an absolute disaster
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MaverickUK

12 years ago

So, what has this thread taught us? Don't use analytics. Don't use Adsense. Don't manipulate Google.

Let's just pack our bags and go and work at McDonalds, the world has finally come to an end.

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cagliostro

12 years ago

Originally Posted by MaverickUK

So, what has this thread taught us? Don't use analytics. Don't use Adsense. Don't manipulate Google.

Let's just pack our bags and go and work at McDonalds, the world has finally come to an end.

Nope. I would leave out the "Don't use Adsense" part of your post.

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MaverickUK 12 years ago

Originally Posted by cagliostro

Nope. I would leave out the "Don't use Adsense" part of your post.

But what if a competitor spams unnatural backlinks to my whitehat site? Google will use the Adsense data to interlink all of my websites and penalises them all? Whichever way we look at it, we're doomed.

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SirBucksAlot

12 years ago

Google is out to get us, and the only way to stop it is by spamming competitors. This can only last a short while before the results google displays are crap for the users.

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lrdc

12 years ago

I have seen one company buying lots of high PR links lately, and it was hit by this message also. The got several PR6,7,8....

The message is very clear "Specifically, look for possibly artificial or unnatural links pointing to your site that could be intended to manipulate PageRank. Examples of unnatural linking could include buying links to pass PageRank or participating in link schemes."

No ranking were lost at all, this was just a warning.

We should invest in getting low-pr relevant links.

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radivoj

12 years ago

I have same problem several of my sites drop the ranking as well,looks like Google changes their rules regarding backlinks, if you are think I am wrong then check this out here's the Link - Google Sending Notifications Of Unnatural Links Pointing To Your Site

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SirBucksAlot

12 years ago

I have seen one company buying lots of high PR links lately, and it was hit by this message also. The got several PR6,7,8.... The message is very clear "Specifically, look for possibly artificial or unnatural links pointing to your site that could be intended to manipulate PageRank. Examples of unnatural linking could include buying links to pass PageRank or participating in link schemes." No ranking were lost at all, this was just a warning. We should invest in getting low-pr relevant links.

This is NOT A WARNING, and I have 3 client sites (not affiliate sites, ad-sense, link exchange) all knocked off page 1 into a black hole. With all ON-Site factors being "up-to-par" with best practices, I must admit we've done some naughty things here on warrior to build PR links, but who hasn't? It's all been in addition to the white hat stuff we do with ezinearticles, hubpages, squidoo, and more. We used to think the worst case scenario was the links we would be ignored, and could never impact our ranking. The reason for this thought was it would allow competitors to spam us off page 1. Well, now that's possible people!

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lrdc

12 years ago

Originally Posted by SirBucksAlot

This is NOT A WARNING, and I have 3 client sites (not affiliate sites, ad-sense, link exchange) all knocked off page 1 into a black hole. With all ON-Site factors being "up-to-par" with best practices, I must admit we've done some naughty things here on warrior to build PR links, but who hasn't? It's all been in addition to the white hat stuff we do with ezinearticles, hubpages, squidoo, and more. We used to think the worst case scenario was the links we would be ignored, and could never impact our ranking. The reason for this thought was it would allow competitors to spam us off page 1. Well, now that's possible people!

This customer's rankings weren't affected so far....

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looking4adsense

12 years ago

Of course it's possible, but one would rarely build 100k spam links on their competitors to get them banned. Because the penalty period is maximum of 6 months, once their competitor comeback in ranking, all those 100k backlinks would still count toward ranking, and make their competitor site stronger than before. Also once your competitor have so many backlinks, it's harder and harder to get them banned. If they already have 100k backlinks, you'll need something like 1M+ next time, to get them banned again.

Originally Posted by SirBucksAlot

This is NOT A WARNING, and I have 3 client sites (not affiliate sites, ad-sense, link exchange) all knocked off page 1 into a black hole. With all ON-Site factors being "up-to-par" with best practices, I must admit we've done some naughty things here on warrior to build PR links, but who hasn't? It's all been in addition to the white hat stuff we do with ezinearticles, hubpages, squidoo, and more. We used to think the worst case scenario was the links we would be ignored, and could never impact our ranking. The reason for this thought was it would allow competitors to spam us off page 1. Well, now that's possible people!

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Dumkist

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Isabella86

Hi I wondered if anyone could help me out! We're a web design company who have been outsourcing SEO for some of our clients. We've been using a freelance SEO consultant over the course of the last year, but today we've had a notice from Google for a large number of our sites which goes as follows:

"Dear site owner or webmaster of (our site),

We've detected that some of your site's pages may be using techniques that are outside Google's Webmaster Guidelines.

Specifically, look for possibly artificial or unnatural links pointing to your site that could be intended to manipulate PageRank. Examples of unnatural linking could include buying links to pass PageRank or participating in link schemes.

We encourage you to make changes to your site so that it meets our quality guidelines. Once you've made these changes, please submit your site for reconsideration in Google's search results.

If you find unnatural links to your site that you are unable to control or remove, please provide the details in your reconsideration request.

If you have any questions about how to resolve this issue, please see our Webmaster Help Forum for support.

Sincerely,

Google Search Quality Team"

I wondered if anyone has any advice on why this might have happened? Or what we can do do fix it? Thank you so much in advance!!!! X

I'm sorry but I just don't get this at all !..what this means is you can now attack your competitors and destroy them...I thought Google promised a long time ago that this could never happen :confused::confused:

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cooler1

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Dumkist

I'm sorry but I just don't get this at all !..what this means is you can now attack your competitors and destroy them...I thought Google promised a long time ago that this could never happen :confused::confused:

Im sure Google said that almost nothing could be done to effect competitors so they didn't say it was impossible.

Of course it's possible, but one would rarely build 100k spam links on their competitors to get them banned. Because the penalty period is maximum of 6 months, once their competitor comeback in ranking, all those 100k backlinks would still count toward ranking, and make their competitor site stronger than before. Also once your competitor have so many backlinks, it's harder and harder to get them banned. If they already have 100k backlinks, you'll need something like 1M+ next time, to get them banned again.

What's the point of a penalty if the links are going to count after the penalty expires? I thought Google discarded the links if they are regarded as artificial. It would make more sense to just discard the links instead of impose a penalty because no one can control what links are built to their site.

Where do you get the idea that someone has to build 100k spam links for a penalty to occur?

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cssitkt

12 years ago

People need to get up to date - SEO changes and it has changed a lot in the last 30 days alone.

Penalties are real, I have several in writing from Google to prove it.

There is no evidence that rankings come back after your receive the dreaded Notice of Unnatural Links msg in GWMT. The penalty says 'please submit your site for reconsideration' which implies nothing will change unless you can remove all of the bought links and request reconsideration.

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JamieSEO

12 years ago

Originally Posted by cssitkt

People need to get up to date - SEO changes and it has changed a lot in the last 30 days alone.

Penalties are real, I have several in writing from Google to prove it.

There is no evidence that rankings come back after your receive the dreaded Notice of Unnatural Links msg in GWMT. The penalty says 'please submit your site for reconsideration' which implies nothing will change unless you can remove all of the bought links and request reconsideration.

The penalties are real and I have seen it happen.

There are two things you can do if you get this notice:

1 - If you had no idea that someone had created a paid link to your site then you can contact Google and claim sabotage - they will then decide based on your explanation if they believe you or not and decide if they will restore rankings.

2 - If you paid for the link (or used a service that paid for the link) then you can have it removed, resubmit to Google and YES they do restore your old ranking.

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looking4adsense

12 years ago

Unless your site is completely worthless trash, and got manually reviewed by a google employee, who then decides to banish your site forever. Your site will come back, it is in google's interest to index all sites that are at least somewhat useful.

Originally Posted by cssitkt

People need to get up to date - SEO changes and it has changed a lot in the last 30 days alone.

Penalties are real, I have several in writing from Google to prove it.

There is no evidence that rankings come back after your receive the dreaded Notice of Unnatural Links msg in GWMT. The penalty says 'please submit your site for reconsideration' which implies nothing will change unless you can remove all of the bought links and request reconsideration.

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chanetsa 12 years ago

It will be interesting to learn how people recover from this. Presumably some will work out the solution and begin sharing the knowledge. I look forward to following this thread for some time.
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kbergeth

12 years ago

I received this same warning on the same date but nothing happened until this week. Its hard to say if its a penalty or a dance really. We're still number one for many terms, but our big ones dropped anywhere from 2 places to 22 places. Nothing into the black hole.

Like most of you we have thousands of quality links, and probably some questionable stuff. Used linxboss at for a bit and did SEnuke for a week before realizing that was garbage. All that 4+ months ago tho. If its a penalty, really seems like a 'shot across the bow' and we're lucky. Anyone else experience this psuedo-penalty? How/when did you recover?

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4morereferrals

12 years ago

Of course it's possible, but one would rarely build 100k spam links on their competitors to get them banned. Because the penalty period is maximum of 6 months,

Can assure you it rarely takes 100k links to do the trick.

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BarryOnline 12 years ago

Originally Posted by 4morereferrals

Can assure you it rarely takes 100k links to do the trick.

I had a DMOZ listed site with only around 300 back links, most of which were high quality. All it now takes is a small portion of "bad links" to trigger this penalty.
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SirBucksAlot

12 years ago

People need to get up to date - SEO changes and it has changed a lot in the last 30 days alone. Penalties are real, I have several in writing from Google to prove it. There is no evidence that rankings come back after your receive the dreaded Notice of Unnatural Links msg in GWMT. The penalty says 'please submit your site for reconsideration' which implies nothing will change unless you can remove all of the bought links and request reconsideration.

I would not recommend submitting for reconsideration, unless you've been entirely de-indexed. As long as your onsite SEO is entirely White-Hat, I get the feeling that it will bounce back. One of my URLs just came back from a black hole to position 72. This message google is sending out must be designed to make people confess their sins to the church. It's nothing more than a witch hunt, however I won't be able to confirm this until I see what happens. FYI - Last week we resumed our link building, and have been doing it very manual with lots of Ezine, Squidoo, blah blah blah.

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cssitkt 12 years ago

3 of my sites received the penalty message from Google a month ago and no rankings have come back at all.

I hope they do come back but something tells me they wont.
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  I purchased and used the ABC3k plugin. Clearly this is the exact type of links that Google does not like. It worked great for years with the old plugin, but now google is looking at links in the footer and sidebar of wordpress web pages. I also noticed that Google detected the plugin and reported it in webmaster tools. I contacted the staff at ABC3k, but they seemed to just brush it off. I think that the revenue from 30-50k users is to tempting.
  
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mosthost

12 years ago

Maybe Google is sending that warning out to see who confesses.

Or maybe they want to find out who the real gangsters are?

If your rankings don't drop, play it cool. If they do drop, it could be because so many backlinks have been de-indexed!

One thing is certain, this is the most I've ever seen webmasters shook up.

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JamieSEO 12 years ago

Originally Posted by mosthost

One thing is certain, this is the most I've ever seen webmasters shook up.

LMAO - the number of webmasters screaming in horror was much higher after PANDA first rolled out
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JamieSEO

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Isabella86

Hi I wondered if anyone could help me out! We're a web design company who have been outsourcing SEO for some of our clients. We've been using a freelance SEO consultant over the course of the last year, but today we've had a notice from Google for a large number of our sites which goes as follows:

"Dear site owner or webmaster of (our site),

We've detected that some of your site's pages may be using techniques that are outside Google's Webmaster Guidelines.

Specifically, look for possibly artificial or unnatural links pointing to your site that could be intended to manipulate PageRank. Examples of unnatural linking could include buying links to pass PageRank or participating in link schemes.

We encourage you to make changes to your site so that it meets our quality guidelines. Once you've made these changes, please submit your site for reconsideration in Google's search results.

If you find unnatural links to your site that you are unable to control or remove, please provide the details in your reconsideration request.

If you have any questions about how to resolve this issue, please see our Webmaster Help Forum for support.

Sincerely,

Google Search Quality Team"

I wondered if anyone has any advice on why this might have happened? Or what we can do do fix it? Thank you so much in advance!!!! X

Heaps of people got that message - some clients came running to me waving hands and pointing fingers before we found the cause (NOT ME THANK GOD!).

That message was sent to people that had PAID BACKLINKS from network and individual sites leading back to their website.

This is against Google's terms and they have recently decided to go on an enforcement spree.

Any reputable SEO service or SEO consultant should always be working within Google's terms of service. Since having a PAID BACKLINK from a site leading back to a website for the purpose of artificially boosting Google rank is a breech of Google's term of service it means that either:

a) Someone created a paid link to your website for the deliberate purpose of getting your site penalized; or

b) The SEO Service/Consultant you are using is not following Google's guidelines.

Given that you mentioned this had happened to a large number of your websites I would suggest speaking with your SEO Consultant to find out if he has any networks/sites that he had been paying for links on.

In the case of my clients, one had obviously pissed someone off and that person had paid for a link to their website to deliberately get them in trouble with Google. :p

The other had run off and bought a paid link from a site without me knowing about it - suddenly his Google ranking dropped from page one to somewhere beneath a rock. He had that link removed and his rankings recovered. :rolleyes:

Feel free to PM me if there's anything I can do to help

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SirBucksAlot

12 years ago

@JamieSEO - It's only best submit for reconsideration if you've been totally DEINDEXED. If your URLs are still being found in G, then it is not quite so severe. Of course, if your site (client site) was completely thrown out of G, then you have no choice but to confess and pray for reconsideration. What was the situation with your clients? I have 3 sites that were effected by this, however none we deindexed. We have not responded to the google warning for unnatural links yet. If you responded to them, how did you word it? I'm tempted to play dumb, and put the blame on competitors. What did you say?

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JamieSEO

12 years ago

Originally Posted by SirBucksAlot

@JamieSEO - It's only best submit for reconsideration if you've been totally DEINDEXED. If your URLs are still being found in G, then it is not quite so severe. Of course, if your site (client site) was completely thrown out of G, then you have no choice but to confess and pray for reconsideration. What was the situation with your clients? I have 3 sites that were effected by this, however none we deindexed. We have not responded to the google warning for unnatural links yet. If you responded to them, how did you word it? I'm tempted to play dumb, and put the blame on competitors. What did you say?

Some clients came running to me waving hands and pointing fingers before we found the cause (NOT ME THANK GOD!).

The impact on your site depends alot on how much of your ranking was derived from paid backlinks. Obviously, the less you relied on paid backlinks, the less likely you will drop off the face of the planet.

In the case of my clients, one had obviously pissed someone off and that person had paid for a link to their website to deliberately get them in trouble with Google.

The other had run off and bought a paid link from a site without me knowing about it - suddenly his Google ranking dropped from page one to somewhere beneath a rock. He had that link removed and his rankings recovered.

If you did buy the paid links yourself, just contact the sites they were placed on and have them removed, then resubmit to Google.

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cooler1

12 years ago

What im wondering is, what do Google deem as a paid link?

Would a service such as Social Monkee be classed as a paid link because they have a paid membership option as well as a free option or is it only services such as BMR which are paid only?

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JamieSEO

12 years ago

Originally Posted by cooler1

What im wondering is, what do Google deem as a paid link?

Would a service such as Social Monkee be classed as a paid link because they have a paid membership option as well as a free option or is it only services such as BMR which are paid only?

"Link schemes" as defined by Google

The sites that link to you can provide context about the subject matter of your site, and can indicate its quality and popularity. However, some webmasters engage in link exchange schemes and build partner pages exclusively for the sake of cross-linking, disregarding the quality of the links, the sources, and the long-term impact it will have on their sites.

My personal take is that you can run an SEO campaign if it does not breech that main point.

If you have a great website and are focusing on using SEO as a form of positive promotion "hey world! this is high quality, relevant content" then you have no problem.

I have not had any of my websites penalized, and I have several hundred sites across different niches.

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Genycis

12 years ago

Wow... sad to say in some sense, I never really got to have a bunch of backlinks built for any of my sites... I did them manually on my own but of course, the volume was definitely not high at all.

Now, from what I keep seeing, I guess I'm doin' okay, though I'm still not indexing. I wonder if some of my competitors, that have thousands of backlinks, will be deindexed... I noticed that a few of their backlinks are to off the wall sites not anywhere remotely close to their niches.

Will their actions from years ago impact them now to disappear or drop further down the chain? And will that help give me an edge? Hmmmm... I wonder.

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vijaybh78

12 years ago

stop all kind of link building and also stop the seo consultant in making it worse. Hire a content writer instead and get atleast 50 high value articles based on your site and post it on your site and also to all the article sites pointing to your money site or the affected which is more of a natural way of one way linking .....then resubmit your site an check the same ...

even before that get a clear picture of what your seo consultant has one....step by step...... get all the details before you fire him/her.

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JamieSEO 12 years ago

Originally Posted by vijaybh78

stop all kind of link building

Riiight... because just having content there makes people come...

Link building is a form of advertising - people are not going to visit your site if they don't know it exists...
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kamlesh23

12 years ago

Adsense to analytics google is banning sites anytime. Life is getting difficult in internet marketing these days.

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RayW

12 years ago

If any of you have received this message, just ignore it. It's just a scare tactic Google's using to track down blog networks.

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textex

12 years ago

Originally Posted by RayW

If any of you have received this message, just ignore it. It's just a scare tactic Google's using to track down blog networks.

How do you know this. We are freaking out from this message. Thanks...

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retsek 12 years ago

Originally Posted by textex

How do you know this. We are freaking out from this message. Thanks...

That's just bad advice. If you got that message, then effects of it won't magically disappear until you do something to fix it.

Waiting around 3-6 months for it to expire isn't an option either, unless you like wasting your time.
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RayW

12 years ago

Originally Posted by textex

How do you know this. We are freaking out from this message. Thanks...

Stop panicking, that's exactly what Google wants you to do. If your site hasn't lost its rankings after receiving the message, just ignore it. If it has been penalized, just try building more natural links. NEVER actually submit a reconsideration request or communicate w/ Google. The last thing you want is for Google to manually review your site.

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dsbusiness23

12 years ago

Originally Posted by RayW

Stop panicking, that's exactly what Google wants you to do. If your site hasn't lost its rankings after receiving the message, just ignore it. If it has been penalized, just try building more natural links. NEVER actually submit a reconsideration request or communicate w/ Google. The last thing you want is for Google to manually review your site.

I agree! Though I think this would depend on what your website is about. Since this is the WF after all I think we all assume it's an internet marketing/Affiliate site.

However it could be any kind of site. If it doesn't look like a terrible spammy thin site. Then I think in some cases a manual review would be okay.

Personally I have heard from several marketers arguments on whether or not to even use GWT and about whether or not to resubmit if this happens.

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Cataclysm1987

12 years ago

This makes me wonder if negative SEO is possible. Some interesting threads about that on Traffic Planet.

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JamieSEO 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Cataclysm1987

This makes me wonder if negative SEO is possible. Some interesting threads about that on Traffic Planet.

Hmm - there have been a heap of discussions about that over the years.

My opinion is YES negative SEO is possible, though obviously the smaller the site the more impact negative SEO has.
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  We got this message eight days ago. But no drop in rankings. Has anyone received this message and not received any drop?
  
  We ad content regularly and avoid link schemes.
  
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joshpat2

12 years ago

just got slapped from #1 spot to no found ingoogle ?

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SirBucksAlot

12 years ago

How do you know this. We are freaking out from this message. Thanks...

First determine if you've been de-indexed or simply slapped in the jaw with minus 50+ penalty. At this time, it appears that if a site has been completely de-indexed, then you need to submit for reconsideration. However, there is hope if you are not totally de-indexed, I just can't give you the exact details yet. We have 3 sites we are testing, and trying to figure out which culprit it could be. What type of link building did you do? I think we have it narrowed down to either PR homepage text networks, or the Build My Rank bull$hit we sourced out to another SEO. Have you used either or both of these techniques on your site? What else did you do which you think could be sketchy? According to Google, almost any type of link which is intended to boost SERP's is "black hat". It covers a lot of ground, and hard to know exactly what the deal is. We must test, and retest, and then spam all our competitors!!!

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thepresence

12 years ago

So many people have been adversely affected by Google's latest maneuvers. Some deserve it and others do not. And, the problem is...you can never get a response from Google. Moral of the story: Do things legitimately and diversify to mitigate a Google penalty!

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SirBucksAlot

12 years ago

Not sure if this helps anybody, but I do agree with the first 3 points!!! Also, you should add an outbound "dofollow" link to an authority site like WikiPedia. . . Google Webmaster Tools notice of detected unnatural links | AdSense tricks

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retsek

12 years ago

Originally Posted by SirBucksAlot

Not sure if this helps anybody, but I do agree with the first 3 points!!! Also, you should add an outbound "dofollow" link to an authority site like WikiPedia. . . Google Webmaster Tools notice of detected unnatural links | AdSense tricks

The page you link to helps nobody and is full of misinformation.

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SirBucksAlot

12 years ago

The page you link to helps nobody and is full of misinformation.

I appreciate your insight. However, you failed to mention any type of useful suggestion, or provide a potential solution for people being effected by this.

Were you affected by the penalty? How many times? What are all the different things you tried? Did you confess your sins to google and beg on your hands and knees for forgiveness? How many bad links did you remove to do this? What caused it in the first place?

How many times have you successfully accomplished bouncing back from a penalty? What experience do you have in this field?

Seems you must be a true master, and everybody else knows very little when compared to your vast wisdom. . . just hoping you can share it with us instead of being a negative nancy pants.

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ProPowerSEO

12 years ago

it seems that a lot of those who relied heavily on blog network links are getting detected and feeling the effects of this. Try and find out from who ever you out source too what they are doing and add the information up here so we can advise better on your options.

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robp12

12 years ago

This same thing happened to me on one of my websites, in which my Google Webmaster Tools profile indicated that I had violated Google's TOS through illegal link-building activities..

The only problem was, I had never participated in any illegal link-building activities, purchased links or anything of that sort. I simply messaged Google, informed them of my situation and was re-indexed back into Google. If you didn't do anything wrong, you should be fine. If you were using Black-Hat SEO methods, you're likely screwed.

If anything, this is a lesson to do things the correct way. You can only scheme Google for so long before they lay the hammer down on you. A few extra page views or sales now aren't worth a total lack of them for the rest of your websites history!

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Dentist

12 years ago

Originally Posted by robp12

This same thing happened to me on one of my websites, in which my Google Webmaster Tools profile indicated that I had violated Google's TOS through illegal link-building activities..

The only problem was, I had never participated in any illegal link-building activities, purchased links or anything of that sort. I simply messaged Google, informed them of my situation and was re-indexed back into Google. If you didn't do anything wrong, you should be fine. If you were using Black-Hat SEO methods, you're likely screwed.

If anything, this is a lesson to do things the correct way. You can only scheme Google for so long before they lay the hammer down on you. A few extra page views or sales now aren't worth a total lack of them for the rest of your websites history!

Well. That's funny. You are talking about Google as if they are god and we are all servants... Don't get me wrong. I like Google from many perspectives. Great company with lots of innovations overall. I do use the results of their continuous efforts every day, so I like them. That being said: Highly inefficient, irrelevant, etc recently with these notices and all the other associated crap. I don't know Matt Cutts invented this crap or was just part of a crap making system. Forget about don't game the system crap once and for all. System is what Google has made in collaboration with millions of webmasters that complied with their terms and gave them signals to rank their websites, and the opportunity to make a business from being a platform based on those little guys. Are they smart? absolutely. The thing is, they used to be appreciative about this, and similar to any other big company they got bigger and bigger, and finally forgot it and took the bully attitude. "Don't do evil" only until you are big enough that you can bully everyone.
So, here is what they did... They picked on ALN. I understand that. Crap content, etc. But what was wrong with BMR? (I never used them BTW). Moderated content with acceptable quality... It was because those companies made SEO too easy and that took away Google's fun for making more money on PPC. Now, everyone is confused... Less easy ways for SEO... People are bullied and afraid... Solution: Come and get PPC from Google! That's RELIABLE! You should understand, the less confusion on SEO, the less PPC money for Google. And, that's just sad. I liked "No evil" moto for a long time...
BTW, I don't know if you have performed any searches as a user recently... That answers the user experience part...

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SümerTech

12 years ago

I have recently been slapped by google with an almost identical message stating that I had too many "thin" doorway pages and duplicate content etc (I have an Amazon Affiliate Site). I did have this site in my Google Webmaster account and had manually submitted the sitemap, so I started getting an upwards of 40,000 impressions. Then all in the same week they pulled my site from the index! I can't figure out if it was because I had it in my Google Webmaster Tool or because I hadn't been running wpunique and a no follow plugin..any thoughts on this are much appreciated!

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jsmith2482

12 years ago

It's all very individual. My got the notice back on Feb 23rd. On march 10th I got a notice that one of my main pages was doing great. YEAH! google said. On march 12th all my rankings dropped. Now that main page that did well went from #1 to #4 which actually is a big drop in terms of traffic but it's what happened across the all board that messed me up. I was ranking for highly competitive keywords around #6-8 and was doing some baclinking to them and they dropped to #'s 180-300! in a day.

Overall my site went from hitting close to 5,000 views per day to around 3,000 on a good day. Yes I just got my new adsense check and it broke my heart.

Submitted two reconsideration requests and nothing changed. The site seems to have stablized in terms of dropping but now it seems like google is randomly dropping pages for various other keywords.

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dsbusiness23

12 years ago

It is unfortunate to see so many people having these notices sent to them. I feel as though a mistake may have been made at Google Labs. Clearly not all of those affected like this had sites deserving of it.

I wonder if Google has made any additional statement on this. Are people still receiving these notices as of April?

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socialbookmark

12 years ago

However its a bad news that many websites received this message from Google, but its better than not getting them and penalizing by Google. Now you at least know whats the problem of losing your ranking on Google and you don't need to look for the reason fo it several months!!

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OmarNegron

12 years ago

Not to sure if this helps but then I got this message I ignored it.

My rankings will probably get hit I guess but after reading so many stories....no one can predict anything anymore.

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opensky

12 years ago

Is this actually a penalty in all cases, or actually a warning in some and a penalty in others? Seems we can't generalize anything as of yet from these messages?

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jetsetter883

12 years ago

This thread just makes me nervous, especially the bit about the guy getting slapped with 10 links that were deemed 'unnatural'. I plan on starting up a site soon to practice SEO on and slowly build links to it etc. But now am I supposed to forget everything I've read about slowly building links if theres a chance i can get slapped if i reach 10 too quickly?? Hell I was planning on building about 10+ links per day, as high PR as I can get. Now what to think?

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plsearch

12 years ago

Don't do any forum profile links, just seen a friends site get nailed for that. He got the message and totally deindexed.

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SirBucksAlot

12 years ago

right now the jury is still out on this one. However, we have successfully managed to "stabilize" (different from "recover") an effected URL which formally had a top 3 position.

this is not guaranteed to work, but wtf really is?

1. Don't submit for reconsideration
2. Don't remove any backlinks
3. Dilute your anchor text link profile to include: naked url, junk anchors, brand name anchors, LSI anchors, and long tail variants of the original phrase.
4. Social signals - we are now testing a few different things here: PAD, Doc Sharing, Image (pintrest), Video submission, likes, retweets, +1's, blah blah blah
5. Share your research with others

This should only be done when "on-site" seo is squeaky clean, which may or may not require you to update your meta info.

Holler,
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Punit12

12 years ago

So this means your sites are penalized for spamming, so now its time to check- if your sites still exist in Google search results.
If yes then you are lucky. so now better get your site's SEO analysed by trusted professional & then take the recommended steps by him for further reconsideration in Google.
I am sure your sites will do well again! Thanks for reading.

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css4me

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Isabella86

Hi I wondered if anyone could help me out! We're a web design company who have been outsourcing SEO for some of our clients. We've been using a freelance SEO consultant over the course of the last year, but today we've had a notice from Google for a large number of our sites which goes as follows:

"Dear site owner or webmaster of (our site),

We've detected that some of your site's pages may be using techniques that are outside Google's Webmaster Guidelines.

Specifically, look for possibly artificial or unnatural links pointing to your site that could be intended to manipulate PageRank. Examples of unnatural linking could include buying links to pass PageRank or participating in link schemes.

We encourage you to make changes to your site so that it meets our quality guidelines. Once you've made these changes, please submit your site for reconsideration in Google's search results.

If you find unnatural links to your site that you are unable to control or remove, please provide the details in your reconsideration request.

If you have any questions about how to resolve this issue, please see our Webmaster Help Forum for support.

Sincerely,

Google Search Quality Team"

I wondered if anyone has any advice on why this might have happened? Or what we can do do fix it? Thank you so much in advance!!!! X

Google is taking serious action against the unnatural linking, unnatural linking is nothing but linking the site to manipulate the page rank, like google will consider that if your site is having link with the series of keywords like chicago hotels, lass angeles hotels and so on it will be consider as unnatural linking, the link to your site must be like it is coming from variation of different words, this point of time you have to check all your submitted links and try to resubmit them with variation in your keywords.

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jewelraz

12 years ago

I am great to read this:
"If you find unnatural links to your site that you are unable to control or remove, please provide the details in your reconsideration request."

This is your key. Check your links and report/submit all unnatural links to Google.

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seosoldier

12 years ago

Google is evil.
Don't use Webmaster Tools.
Don't use Google Analytics.
Doing so is like saying "Yoo hoo! Please examine my site in light of your very strict and god-only-knows-what-you-want guidelines!"

At least 3 SEO experts have told me to remove my site from these/ remove these from my site.

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MikeFriedman

12 years ago

Originally Posted by seosoldier

Google is evil.
Don't use Webmaster Tools.
Don't use Google Analytics.
Doing so is like saying "Yoo hoo! Please examine my site in light of your very strict and god-only-knows-what-you-want guidelines!"

At least 3 SEO experts have told me to remove my site from these/ remove these from my site.

I would stop listening to those people immediately then. Who knows what other misguided information they are feeding people.

There is no reason to remove GWT or GA from a site. What exactly do you think Google is finding out by having those on your site?

If you are getting hit with an unnatural links notice, guess what? You were getting hit with it whether you had GWT and GA on the site or not. Your links are the problem, not anything that is on your site.

I do not understand why people do not get this.

Now if you are maintaining a network of sites, I wouldn't put them all under the same account just in case Google decides they don't like something about one site, they might tie them all together.

Other than that though, this is a big myth that GWT and GA gives Google some top secret ranking information that they didn't already have about your site.

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retsek

12 years ago

Originally Posted by seosoldier

Google is evil.
Don't use Webmaster Tools.
Don't use Google Analytics.
Doing so is like saying "Yoo hoo! Please examine my site in light of your very strict and god-only-knows-what-you-want guidelines!"

At least 3 SEO experts have told me to remove my site from these/ remove these from my site.

I hope you didn't pay those SEO experts. Not using WMT or GA, doesn't prevent google from gathering the relevant information they need to assess your site, nor does it prevent them to issuing unnatural link notices against you. You just won't know about it.

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