SEONitro and SEOLinkmonster Kill Your Sites?

by Randall Kufarsy 102 replies
Here are my experiences with both SEONitro 497/month and SEOLinkmonster 47 month 1 and then 147/month. And a question to Dori.

I only worked with SEONitro and SEOLinkmonster for a short while, but the effects were enormous, BUT in the wrong direction...

Within 10 days I received dreaded - unnatural linking to my sites messages from WMT, I have been reading all day on this and other forums and sites and this is what I figured out what might be happening.

On SEONitro I checked over 450 domains my sites were placed on and it turned out ALL of the domains had been deindexed! All of them, I kid you not! Ofcourse seonitro support tells me that this happens all the time to SOME sites, and they will be replaced and then things will be better.

BUT it was not some sites; ALL the sites I checked were deindexed. Why the heck would they place customers links on deindexed sites?!

Then on SEOLinkmonster the first couple of days you could still check the domains that the articles had been placed on and again, ALL of them had been deindexed. Later I could not check anymore, that option had disappeared in their backend.

As soon as I saw that the articles were place on all deindexed sites I took my articles out of rotation, but this morning I found out that the damage already had been done. WMT already saw these sites as well and raised the flag.

So I spent a couple of hours to reverse lookup the articles that are mentioned in WMT - and when I check all sites linking to my sites I run into the sites I recognize with articles that come through SEOlinkmonster and lo and behold, ALL of them were deindexed sites.

After all my reading on this and other forums I now conclude that the main thing that triggered WMT unnatural linking warning must be the linking from deindexed domains.

So I have one thing to ask Dori Friend: please be nice to your customers and take down all deindexed sites, that would at least solve one problem for all of your customers who have been placed on deindexed domains, in that it would rid our sites of these apparently dangerous backlinks. And could you please do that for SEONitro AND SEOLinkmonster?

I am trying to get someone's attention as well on the SEONitro and SEOLinkmonster support sites as well, but apparently they are flooded with support tickets...

DORI, PLEASE take those deindexed sites down, because like I said, I fear that your blognetworks have been tracked down and the best thing you can now do with these sites for your customers is take them OUT and all links DOWN. That could perhaps limit the damage a bit.

I am now at the stage where I would gladly pay you to take those sites down so I get all links from deindexed sites pointing to my sites out of the way again, can you believe this?!

Dori, these deindexed sites will do you no good and I think they are detrimental to all people who have articles on them because - afaik - links from deindexed sites in networks raise huge red flags. Talk about footprint..

Apart from that I would have to say these guys know how to sell, because did they not convince me to jump on board? And the feeding of the articles went relatively smooth as well, so the back end really works as well.

Just one minor detail, they placed all my articles on deindexed sites.

What more can I say, probably this is lousy for your business as well.

Dori, please take the deindexed sites down?
#search engine optimization #kill #seolinkmonster #seonitro #sites #unnatural linking warning
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  • Wow. Well it sounds like it could be a great service. Once they solve this problem, I would be interested to hear how ranking goes.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      This is a perfect example of why it is a good idea to find the smaller networks that nobody is talking about to join instead of the one that every wannabe guru is pimping like it is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

      Not to mention that any network that allows spun garbage is going to be easier for Google to find and deindex.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post


        Not to mention that any network that allows spun garbage is going to be easier for Google to find and deindex.
        In the present climate any network that is advertising themselves as the place to publish spun content deserves a bone head award.
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        • Profile picture of the author Clint Faber
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          In the present climate any network that is advertising themselves as the place to publish spun content deserves a bone head award.
          Although I would not agree with slapping a network with such a insulting "award" I would agree that they could develop a better, more valuable marketing strategy and service.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by Clint Faber View Post

            Although I would not agree with slapping a network with such a insulting "reward" I would agree that they could develop a better, more valuable marketing strategy and service.

            Its "award" not reward and I said nothing about their service not being valuable which I suppose a network service provider would find very insulting. SO we disagree the service isn't valuable. I merely was indicating that when Google is going around deindexing sites that have spun content it would not be smart to advertise to customers that they can place spun content. Just being logical.
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            • Profile picture of the author Clint Faber
              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              Its "award" not reward and I said nothing about their service not being valuable which I suppose a network service provider would find very insulting. SO we disagree the service isn't valuable. I merely was indicating that when Google is going around deindexing sites that have spun content it would not be smart to advertise to customers that they can place spun content. Just being logical.
              I appreciate the correction, So allow me to help you also. I made no reference to you mentioning anything about "them" merely I was referring to your statement "a network". I also said nothing about "not being valuable" although I did make a mention of "more valuable"
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              • Profile picture of the author eurofxnow
                Amazing. Nicely it sounds enjoy it might be a wonderful support. Every time they remedy this trouble, I might be interested to know how standing moves.
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    $650 a month for link building? Wow
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      Originally Posted by mosthost View Post

      $650 a month for link building? Wow
      this software very very hard to accept
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      • Profile picture of the author mosthost
        Originally Posted by zharfan View Post

        this software very very hard to accept
        So true! There are MANY things you can buy for that money!

        The prices of 'IM products' are very HIGH compared to the REAL WORLD where I live. LOL
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Originally Posted by Randall Kufarsy View Post


    SEONitro I checked over 450 domains my sites were placed on and it turned out ALL of the domains had been deindexed! All of them, I kid you not!........
    Then on SEOLinkmonster the first couple of days you could still check the domains that the articles had been placed on and again, ALL of them had been deindexed. Later I could not check anymore, that option had disappeared in their backend.
    Wow thats a massive slap but I have ask you based on the last line - how did you actually verify they were deindexed? Did you do an info:domain.com search or was it something else?
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  • Profile picture of the author technog33k
    Hi all I can 100% confirm that SEOlinkmonster has been almost entirely deindexed. I was lucky enough to have downloaded all of my URL's from seolinkmonster the day before they disabled the feature and every single domain (not just the URL's, the entire domains) has been deindexed. They are still charging $147 for people to subscribe to this network. I have just contacted support and I am waiting for them to refund all of my money for this service. I will update again as soon as I have heard back from them about how they are going to handle this.

    It is completely wrong to still be charging subscribers for access to this network or any others out there that have been hit like this and it is beyond belief that these networks will not openly disclose the effect that the recent Google hits have had on their network and are going to have on each and every one of their subscribers.
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  • Profile picture of the author IM Ash
    LOL... that was quick... wasn't it just a couple of weeks ago that SEO Link Monster launched with a whole lot of hype? It was probably the most poorly designed network I have ever seen. Built entirely for profits! They got what was coming to them but damn that was quick. I guess when you start a network with so much hype, G will get wind of it!

    The character of the people behind this network is clearly revealed by the fact that they are still accepting new members!
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    • Profile picture of the author technog33k
      Originally Posted by Eleva8 View Post

      LOL... that was quick... wasn't it just a couple of weeks ago that SEO Link Monster launched with a whole lot of hype? It was probably the most poorly designed network I have ever seen. Built entirely for profits! They got what was coming to them but damn that was quick. I guess when you start a network with so much hype, G will get wind of it!

      The character of the people behind this network is clearly revealed by the fact that they are still accepting new members!
      I completely agree with you. I have lodged a request for a complete refund with them via their helpdesk support so I guess we will find out what sort of character they do have. So far I have not heard anything back from them but hopefully it won't take too long. I am sure they are going to come out firing defending their "network" (or lack of it) just as they have in other threads on here but I have absolue proof that they have been hit very hard and that they are willing to continue ripping of their customers. If it wasn't for the fact that there are a lot of others that have used their network that could be affected by any disclosure I would paste a list of the sites that have been de-indexed here as proof. Unfortunately though that is not going to do anything other than cause problems for anybody who had links on these sites. The best thing that the network operators can do is take it down straight away before any more people get the dreaded WMT unnatural linking message which I have unfortunately received on each of the sites I put on seolinkmonster. The sooner they can do this, the less damage they are going to cause to any more sites.

      I asked for a full refund on Sunday morning Australian time so I will let keep this thread updated with how long it takes to actually get my money back and to get a reply. Otherwise, I will just have to cancel the PayPal payment through my credit card company and do it the hard way. Either way, I want my money back and I will not stop until I get it. It is just up to them to decide whether they want to do it the right way or whether it needs to go any further than it already has.
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  • Profile picture of the author technog33k
    UPDATE TO THE ABOVE POST - Upon checking some of the sites that have been deindexed of which I have the list for as I downloaded them prior to them disabling this feature in their network they are still continuing to publish new posts to them!! So not only are they taking people's money they are publishing content to blogs that have been deindexed and claiming to be legitimately posting them and continue to give Google even more people's sites to issue WMT notices to. This is just ridiculous. I have never come across such an unprofessional service anywhere before.
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    • Profile picture of the author IM Ash
      Originally Posted by technog33k View Post

      UPDATE TO THE ABOVE POST - Upon checking some of the sites that have been deindexed of which I have the list for as I downloaded them prior to them disabling this feature in their network they are still continuing to publish new posts to them!!
      WTH... they trying to recoup their losses. I hope more people see this thread who are a part of the network.

      Seriously, these people need to be exposed. What is scary is that you are just one in a thousand or more. The network owners have massive lists and friends who also have huge lists and the marketing that went into this network during the prelaunch was insane.

      If what you say is true then many have already been negatively affected and if these guys don't pull the plug now then their reputations will vanish with the network.

      Let's see whether honesty and integrity is part of their business model?

      Regarding your refund request: why don't you just request a refund through ClickBank as this network uses CB as a 3rd party processor?
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    The one good thing about products like this is it gives you a great gauge of whose email lists you should unsubscribe from.
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    • Profile picture of the author IM Ash
      I really want to keep this thread alive so more people can see it

      I've taken an interest to this network and I went digging on the net and I have found various blogs (IM related of course) where the blogger is now taking back all the praises that were sung about the network during the pre-launch... LOL

      What is interesting is that everyone that has downloaded the URLs and checked if the root domain is still indexed are getting "0" indexed barring one person who checked 99 URLs and "1" came back indexed (that one is probably gone by now as well)

      The other startling fact is how poorly this network was designed (in terms of staying under the radar): none of the blogs have predefined categories and there are 5+ blogs all on the same IP... and the people behind this network were suppose to be SEO Guru's... LOL... there are newbs on this forum who will do a better job creating a network.

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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      The one good thing about products like this is it gives you a great gauge of whose email lists you should unsubscribe from.
      LOL. careful there Mikey. There are some big hitters running some of those lists. How could you not want to be subscribed to their list?

      Originally Posted by Eleva8 View Post

      s and "1" came back indexed (that one is probably gone by now as well)

      The other startling fact is how poorly this network was designed (in terms of staying under the radar): none of the blogs have predefined categories and there are 5+ blogs all on the same IP... and the people behind this network were suppose to be SEO Guru's... LOL... there are newbs on this forum who will do a better job creating a network.
      That aint no lie. I got an email this weekend from a guy thats a total newbie to networks that I've been helping and he sent over a diagram of his network. I smiled. Compared to how most public rental networks are setup the diagram looked more like a CIA analysts plan to not to be tailed. LOL. Smiled at the content too - for the most part it all made sense and looked natural (for the most part - got to talk to him about one site with spun content).

      Heres the thing though - takes time and thought to do it right and alot of people don't want to spend the money on services set up right ( but the SEO nitro is pricey enough). Customers do create a bit of the climate. IF I set up a network with 70 domains done all right and another guy sets up 200 done all wrong people will bite on the higher number and definitely if its at a lower price.

      Worse there are alot of people that will pick 300 linking domains where your links all roll off authority pages over 50 that don't and they'll always pick the more popular ones which only ensures that they roll off very quickly.
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      • Profile picture of the author IM Ash
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Heres the thing though - takes time and thought to do it right and alot of people don't want to spend the money on services set up right ( but the SEO nitro is pricey enough). Customers do create a bit of the climate. IF I set up a network with 70 domains done all right and another guy sets up 200 done all wrong people will bite on the higher number and definitely if its at a lower price.

        Worse there are alot of people that will pick 300 linking domains where your links all roll off authority pages over 50 that don't and they'll always pick the more popular ones which only ensures that they roll off very quickly.
        Yea, these networks that are feeling the pinch are built to appeal to the masses... "more links on high PR sites with just one spun article, YUM, gotta have some of that".

        But many who are buying into these networks are just naieve, sad! Anyone who wants to depend on organic traffic needs to at least do their due diligence before placing their money sites at risk.

        Anyway, for those who want a bit of Sunday entertainment, read the last page of this thread:

        http://www.warriorforum.com/internet...e-tried-3.html
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Actually reading that thread give me mixed feelings. Obviously its not doing great as a service but on the other hand people getting upset that they won't give them a list of indexed articles are not understanding the issue either. I give them one other prop - they are at least admitting they had some sites deindexed.

          Apparently at least one person they are aware of signed up and then reported their sites. Its the kiss of death to be giving everyone that signs up a list to go through to find all the sites used. It may seem reasonable for a link rental service but the model has to change. It has to be about ranking not link counts.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    before we go too far down this road I need to ask again - HOW DID THE OP CHECK THE SITES WERE DEINDEXED. Not saying he is incorrect but a lot of people have become confused about what deindexing is and/or are relying on inaccurate ways of checking. If you do an info:domain.com and a site:domain .com thats the most reliable way to check.

    If you do those two checks and get nothing then yes you are paying for air. As far as Google is concerned those sites don't exist.
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    • Profile picture of the author technog33k
      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      before we go too far down this road I need to ask again - HOW DID THE OP CHECK THE SITES WERE DEINDEXED. Not saying he is incorrect but a lot of people have become confused about what deindexing is and/or are relying on inaccurate ways of checking. If you do an info:domain.com and a site:domain .com thats the most reliable way to check.

      If you do those two checks and get nothing then yes you are paying for air. As far as Google is concerned those sites don't exist.
      Hi Mike, not only did I do a scrapebox check on all base domain names I have also been through and done an individual "site:" check on the domains as well. I run a SEO firm here in Australia and I am well aware of how to check indexation of sites. The sites have been deindexed and they are still continuing to post to them even as I type this. PM me your email mate and I will send you a small sample of the 300+ sites that I have..
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by technog33k View Post

        Hi Mike, not only did I do a scrapebox check on all base domain names I have also been through and done an individual "site:" check on the domains as well. I run a SEO firm here in Australia and I am well aware of how to check indexation of sites.

        All I wanted to know. Wasn't implying that anyone didn't know how to check was just making sure because some people recently have been confusing no t indexed and deindexed. PM will be sent. I'd appreciate the list offer as it will give me a real good look at how much Google is going after these rental networks.
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        • Profile picture of the author technog33k
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          All I wanted to know. Wasn't implying that anyone didn't know how to check was just making sure because some people recently have been confusing no t indexed and deindexed. PM will be sent. I'd appreciate the list offer as it will give me a real good look at how much Google is going after these rental networks.
          Hi Mike I have sent you an email with the sample sites..This is by no means all of them but as you will see from the ones I have sent there is fresh content being posted to them still and they have been de-indexed.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by technog33k View Post

            Hi Mike I have sent you an email with the sample sites..This is by no means all of them but as you will see from the ones I have sent there is fresh content being posted to them still and they have been de-indexed.

            Thanks for that and not that you need my confirmation but yet another pair of eyes can see they are deindexed PLUS its no wonder to see why they are. The content on some of them is absolute gibberish, Standard wordpress themes with the same old formula of several articles on one page all about completely different subjects and no rhyme nor reason.

            Seeing them only confirms to me that the days of customers writing their own content are dead. SO are the days of cheap home page backlink systems (not that SLmonster was particularly cheap). The only way is to give Google what they want. A sensible site that has some value with fewer links. That takes more time, planning and quality control.

            People swore this was some kind of cash machine to the point where they did next to nothing to protect themselves. Basically looks like they just said hey lets buy a bunch of PR domains and make cash. Wasn't this that launch where they claimed they got some expert lady (Name starts with a D I think but I can't remember)to build their network? or was that some other launch?
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      • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
        Originally Posted by technog33k View Post

        Hi Mike, not only did I do a scrapebox check on all base domain names I have also been through and done an individual "site:" check on the domains as well. I run a SEO firm here in Australia and I am well aware of how to check indexation of sites. The sites have been deindexed and they are still continuing to post to them even as I type this. PM me your email mate and I will send you a small sample of the 300+ sites that I have..

        I can verify for a fact too Mike - their service is posting fresh new content onto boatloads of de-indexed domains.
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        • Profile picture of the author technog33k
          Originally Posted by 4morereferrals View Post

          I can verify for a fact too Mike - their service is posting fresh new content onto boatloads of de-indexed domains.
          And people are paying $147 for this. This has got to be put to a stop somehow. So far they have not answered my support request for a refund. Has now been about 30 hours. If it was my network being knocked out like this I would be working overtime to try and contain the damage. They obvioulsy do not care that much otherwise the sites would have been taken down as they were de-indexed!!

          Is anybody out there able to bring Matt Callen's attention to this thread? I cannot PM yet otherwise I would..
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    • Profile picture of the author Randall Kufarsy
      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      before we go too far down this road I need to ask again - HOW DID THE OP CHECK THE SITES WERE DEINDEXED. Not saying he is incorrect but a lot of people have become confused about what deindexing is and/or are relying on inaccurate ways of checking. If you do an info:domain.com and a site:domain .com thats the most reliable way to check.

      If you do those two checks and get nothing then yes you are paying for air. As far as Google is concerned those sites don't exist.
      Mike,

      I checked with both:
      site:domain.com AND
      info:domain.com

      Really startling to hear they are still posting fresh content to these sites!

      Randall
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  • Profile picture of the author mosthost
    Its looks like the Sun has set on the Golden Age of Blog Networks, or at least the bigger public ones.

    It's sort of like how John Gotti was so famous. How could that have been a good thing in his line of work? Flying under the radar is the only thing that can prevent you from being shot down.
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  • Profile picture of the author IM Ash
    All I get from that thread is a load of excuses! No client (members in this case) wants to hear one excuse after the other. I just can't get it: if any business person decides to create a network of this magnitude the first order of business is to find ways to allay the risks that are common to every public network (deindexing).

    Now, all they seem to be doing is trying to fill the holes with $5 PR0 aged domains from GD. This network is diminishing from a high PR network to a low PR network and soon it will be only .infos LOL.

    These guys need to watch all their prelaunch videos and then they will know why threads like this begin and why members are disgruntled. Then they need to assess whether covering up the magnitude of the problem by adding more PR0s is a long-term solution(not). By doing this they are increasing their expenses and at the same time confidence in the network is disintegrating because people are not experiencing the same ranking affect as they did in the beginning.

    When a company like Nestle finds out that one of their baby products might contain a dangerous substance, they stop production, recall all distributed products and issue warnings to the public. They do this because they are long-term focused and realize that short-term gains will be to their own detriment.
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    • Profile picture of the author technog33k
      Originally Posted by Eleva8 View Post

      All I get from that thread is a load of excuses! No client (members in this case) wants to hear one excuse after the other. I just can't get it: if any business person decides to create a network of this magnitude the first order of business is to find ways to allay the risks that are common to every public network (deindexing).

      Now, all they seem to be doing is trying to fill the holes with $5 PR0 aged domains from GD. This network is diminishing from a high PR network to a low PR network and soon it will be only .infos LOL.

      These guys need to watch all their prelaunch videos and then they will know why threads like this begin and why members are disgruntled. Then they need to assess whether covering up the magnitude of the problem by adding more PR0s is a long-term solution(not). By doing this they are increasing their expenses and at the same time confidence in the network is disintegrating because people are not experiencing the same ranking affect as they did in the beginning.

      When a company like Nestle finds out that one of their baby products might contain a dangerous substance, they stop production, recall all distributed products and issue warnings to the public. They do this because they are long-term focused and realize that short-term gains will be to their own detriment.
      I am with you here! The only thing that is going to happen now is people are going to continue to cause more damage to their sites with links that they cannot remove. For $147 a month all that you are going to get is damage to your site. Anybody who has used SEOlinkmoster needs to check their WMT tools and see if there is any messages waiting for them. If not, stop using it anyway because it will come. I would be asking for a refund ASAP because there is no way these people should be able to get away with this.

      Perhaps if all of the marketing they put into SEOlinkmonster was focused on creating a network that would at least partly stand up then there would not be so much damage done. Unfortunately when you draft press releases that are designed to spread like wildfire via Google News telling everyone you are building something to games Google's network there is bound to be a retaliation of some sort. Unfortunately, completely wiping out the network was what has happened here.

      And then on top of that to still be posting to blogs that have been de-indexed and counting them as the 14 daily posts you are supposed to get is bordering on fraudulent considering what they are still advertising their service as.
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  • WOW, i never thought seolinkmonster would have such a bad impact on rankings... I was considering adding it to my SEO Strategy... Thank you for sharing your experience here and keep us updated please
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    • Profile picture of the author technog33k
      Originally Posted by premiumseoservice View Post

      WOW, i never thought seolinkmonster would have such a bad impact on rankings... I was considering adding it to my SEO Strategy... Thank you for sharing your experience here and keep us updated please
      Seriously, do not bother with it. Not only are you putting your sites at risk with a very poorly designed network but what you are actually getting is posts that are going onto de-indexed blogs. So you are wasting your money and you are risking your sites. It is absolutely ridiculous. The only thing that should be done is these sites should be taken down so that anybody on the network can at least attempt to file for a reconsideration request from Google if their sites have been hit with the natural linking WMT message. But to ensure profits and to maintain cashflow I would be willing to bet that not even 1 of their customers has been told the extent of the damage that has been done to their network by the recent de-indexings that have been happening.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dumkist
    I used seo link monster on one of my sites that had been on page one for a year # 3...now it's gone..not even in the top 1000..MF!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Originally Posted by whitehalls View Post

    not getting new backlinks pointing to these domains. So within 3-6 months and as time keeps passing these domains will simple "die" -
    Not true. IF a site gets links from interior pages then the links can stay in place for a long time. Just think how many times does a blogger go back and even read a page that he wrote two years ago? In context links are not removed by ton loads of pages. Plus a good network builder will include "support" sites over time and they ARE a source of new backlinks.
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  • Profile picture of the author PriceMaster
    Google has gotten really smart recently. It know when your backlinks are trashy and of spam quality and when they are actually deserving on being passed the Page Rank of the page you posted the backlink too.
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  • Profile picture of the author boxoun
    Slmonster was bad from the start. Right away all their pages lost pr and they said because of transition from park domain to their dns move but "trust us, pr still there". None of the 400 links I've downloaded are indexed and I've received a penalty of some sort.

    Lesson learned. No such thing as a good reputation when people are trying to get your money. No apologies, no updates or explanations but continue to accept members. Good thing I only tested on a couple urls.
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  • Profile picture of the author xxxJamesxxx
    I signed up at when it first launched and I liked the backend system, simple to use and I even got a boost in rankings at the start.

    However I soon quickly realised my rankings stopped growing and basically stayed put. One site even got a "unnatural backlink" warning within my Webmaster account and the only form of backlinks promotions I've done on that particular site was from SEOLM.

    Basically Google on to it and like what's been said above, it'll do your site more harm than good having a site on their network.

    James Scholes
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      • Profile picture of the author cssitkt
        I just had a look at SEOLM website and it looks like they're still signing people up and taking their money!!
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        • Profile picture of the author IM Ash
          Originally Posted by cssitkt View Post

          I just had a look at SEOLM website and it looks like they're still signing people up and taking their money!!
          These people are the lowest of the low! Despicable!
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  • Profile picture of the author pirondi
    I was a member of seo nitro vip and elite linkvine vip for almost 2 years and i got good results with it.

    But on the last months this two networks started to get deindexed and the support just keep saying 'we will change the sites' but never did.

    If seo nitro and elite linkvine was already being deindexed before linkmonster,why they launched it ? it is obviously that they knew that they would be deindexed,but they was aiming just to make some bucks and trying to play dumb.
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    • Profile picture of the author IM Ash
      Originally Posted by pirondi View Post

      I was a member of seo nitro vip and elite linkvine vip for almost 2 years and i got good results with it.

      But on the last months this two networks started to get deindexed and the support just keep saying 'we will change the sites' but never did.

      If seo nitro and elite linkvine was already being deindexed before linkmonster,why they launched it ? it is obviously that they knew that they would be deindexed,but they was aiming just to make some bucks and trying to play dumb.
      Actually this is a very good point! Seeing that SEO Linkvine was owned by the creator of SLM one will assume that the experience with one network would have equipped him to build a higher quality network, designed to stay under the radar, but the complete opposite occurred. :rolleyes:
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    • Profile picture of the author technog33k
      Originally Posted by pirondi View Post

      I was a member of seo nitro vip and elite linkvine vip for almost 2 years and i got good results with it.

      But on the last months this two networks started to get deindexed and the support just keep saying 'we will change the sites' but never did.

      If seo nitro and elite linkvine was already being deindexed before linkmonster,why they launched it ? it is obviously that they knew that they would be deindexed,but they was aiming just to make some bucks and trying to play dumb.
      Unfortunately for them if they are knowingly advertising a service which they are not providing and continue to take money from people this constitutes fraud. 'We will change the site' is not an answer to this because in their current model they cannot keep up with the rate of de-indexing. And while they are posting people's content to blogs which are not indexed and claiming those as the daily pots they are submitting they are not delivering the service people are paying $147/month for. And while they continue to post content to their network they are potentially causing harm to every customer using the service. There would be a lot of customers who do not use these forums who would just simply have no idea about what the current state of the industry is with all of the recent Google changes and they are preying on those people and continuing to take their money knowing they are not delivering the service they are promising.

      They have absolutely no right to continue to do this. At least some of the other networks out there have been half honest with their customers and some have closed the doors to new registrations (I have actually done the exact same check on HighPRSociety's sites and so far i cannot find any sites that have been hit). I understand some of the other bigger networks have been hit as well but seemingly nowhere near as bad as SEOlinkmonster. It was an overpriced service to begin with and now it is even more so while they are taking people's money and knowingly doing wrong by every single one of their customers! They are willing to sit back and continue to damage their customers sites and have done absolutely nothing to attempt to fix the situation. Yes, we use these services at our own risk, but once the issue becomes as big and widespread as this and the owners of the network do nothing to attempt to rectify the situation then the liability has to lie with them.
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  • Profile picture of the author mosthost
    Obviously there are too many sharks in the shark tank (blog networks). When a new network is hyping itself, the other ones get nervous. They sign up and report it to Google.

    The site gets de-indexed. The networks have to buy even lower quality 'replacement domains.' I think it's getting obvious that poorly written content on low quality domains does not have the impact it once did.

    But as long as there are new people being drawn into 'getting rich' with Google SEO, there will be more of this type of snake oil. That's just the nature of the basically corrupt 'IM" segment. Everyone is looking for a shortcut to 'internet millions' when in reality Google search is past its prime and social media is even more important for growing revenue.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cataclysm1987
    Public, huge networks always have footprint issues.

    If they have a limited number of sites and are blasting it to lists of thousands of people to buy buy buy, you know that the service is going to be flooded with crap and super footprinted.

    I'd avoid it.
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  • Profile picture of the author ex9to5guy
    interesting stuff, cant wait to hear the rebuttal
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael_Le
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    dont forget guys, these are the so called GURUS, the guys that every one says" he always puts out good products, thats why i always buy"......lesson learnt hey. previous good performance doesnt mean they will keep up with it. At the end of the day it's all about the money.

    is anyone here part of matt carters seo expert academy? Terry kyle does something called seo sundays and he was talking about his own high PR network being caught out by google and it went bust. Basically google is on to the whole High PR domain page links and blog networks and have started de-indexing alot of them lately. i seem to re-call there were quite a few notable so called GURUS promoting link monster.........they should be ashamed!

    so should matt and brad callen!!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author technog33k
      Originally Posted by Michael_Le View Post

      dont forget guys, these are the so called GURUS, the guys that every one says" he always puts out good products, thats why i always buy"......lesson learnt hey. previous good performance doesnt mean they will keep up with it. At the end of the day it's all about the money.

      is anyone here part of matt carters seo expert academy? Terry kyle does something called seo sundays and he was talking about his own high PR network being caught out by google and it went bust. Basically google is on to the whole High PR domain page links and blog networks and have started de-indexing alot of them lately. i seem to re-call there were quite a few notable so called GURUS promoting link monster.........they should be ashamed!

      so should matt and brad callen!!!!
      I am a subscriber to SEO Sunday and I have to actually give some credit to Terry Kyle for being open and honest with his customers about what happened to his network. At least he took it down straight away and notified everybody of the issues, admitted there were problems and has tried to help others to fix their networks.

      So far I still have not heard back from SEOlinkmonser and it has been 48 hours now. It's just not good enough.
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  • Profile picture of the author kcgaul
    I used elite seolinkvine, seemed to have good success with that network in with my mix of back linking. I tried seolinkmonster for maybe 3 days then I noticed most of my keywords were gone from there first page rankings. But I also watched Dori's instruction videos in seolinkmonster where she said to go to fiverr and do a blog comment blast of non seo keywords so you don't over optimized.

    So being the dim wit, I listened to her.

    I was #8 a big keyword now I'm 668 yet I'm still on the first page for another main keyword in #7 although I use to be number #1. I don't get it, is this a google penalty? Was it from the blog comments or the deindexed sites, or both?

    What can we do to get our rankings back? I was wondering if I'm just over optimized on keywords.

    I sent google a reconsideration request (I know really stupid, right). But I was freaking out as this is a big part of my families income (I know, I know really stupid to use a link network or mass blog commenting to a main site).

    I haven't heard anything back yet. Do you think it's a penalty? or just losing link juice from the deindexed sites (as someone on the google forum said). I can't see it being losing link juice, you wouldn't go from #2 to 490 or #3 to 591

    Any advice on how to come back from this would be very helpful. I will never be impatient again
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    • Profile picture of the author dimm
      Originally Posted by kcgaul View Post

      But I also watched Dori's instruction videos in seolinkmonster where she said to go to fiverr and do a blog comment blast of non seo keywords so you don't over optimized.


      It is really, amazing how these people can destroy people's/their costumers livelihood and not even care to comment.
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      • Profile picture of the author jhauer
        Interesting that there was an earlier thread here where Dori and Matt were regularly posting their defense to complaints. Now their silence is deafening. Being a constant optimist I hope it's just because they're all trying to fix the mess. I also had multiple first page rankings that have tanked beyond 500 and 600. The only good part of my SEOLM experience was that Dori actually pointed me to this forum to show that lots of people were suffering from "Google dance". Glad to have found WF. --
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by kcgaul View Post

      But I also watched Dori's instruction videos in seolinkmonster where she said to go to fiverr and do a blog comment blast of non seo keywords so you don't over optimized.
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      Wow. sometimes theres bad advice and sometimes theres spectacularly bad advice.
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      • Profile picture of the author IM Ash
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Wow. sometimes theres bad advice and sometimes theres spectacularly bad advice.
        And this person is the so- called SEO expert :rolleyes:

        To the previous poster: your site has been penalized. Many people who have had links on networks (HPBL & PBN) that have been deindexed have seen their site's tank. If it were just an algorithmic affect your site would have dropped to the spot it was on before you began using the service, but all you have experienced is a drop.
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  • Profile picture of the author boxoun
    seolinkmonster caused a few of my urls to slip and one webmaster tools notice of unnatural links. It is for a cancer site that I really had ethical issues with anyways so I dont care about it. It still ranks but I'm guessing it will tank soon?

    Also, how do you suggest to try to recover the other urls that I do care about?
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    • Profile picture of the author IM Ash
      Originally Posted by boxoun View Post

      Also, how do you suggest to try to recover the other urls that I do care about?
      Here is a thread over at Traffic Planet that goes into penalties. It will give you an idea of what is happening: RELAX: Truth about SERP Penalties and Ranking Drops - Traffic Planet

      There are also various other threads that are hot right now about the recent penalties. You should read them! Although, most people are not seen any sort of recovery unfortunately!
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      • Profile picture of the author cc422
        I signed up for SEOLinkmonster and apparently within a few days on of my main sites was flagged by google webmaster tools for linking patterns.

        I contacted SEO_LM immediately and their response to me was

        - don't change what you're doing
        - don't respond to Google it will make it worse
        - it wasn't us this has been going around since the summer

        I don't write spammy articles - its all to educate but I was at least smart enough to publish unique articles on that network so I know that what I saw was from what was published on their network. One posting generated hundreds of links by not only getting the url where the post was listed but generating those additional link by adding ?something-here after the / which of course looks suspicious.

        I was fooled thinking having the Callen name on it made it trustworthy.

        The sites are dropping out of searches and I know I will just keep on building links from various places as always - I just feel a huge sense of lose in the trust extended to even the heavy hitting marketers who had me on their lists.
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        • Profile picture of the author cssitkt
          When the penalty includes a message from Google, posted in Webmaster Tools, that includes the text: 'please submit your site for reconsideration’ I don't believe that simply waiting or building more links will resolve the issue.

          For those stating that the penalty will disappear after 30 to 90 days I have seen no evidence of this at all.
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        • Profile picture of the author cssitkt
          Originally Posted by cc422 View Post


          - don't change what you're doing
          - don't respond to Google it will make it worse
          - it wasn't us this has been going around since the summer
          That's the most desperate message I've seen in a while.

          1. "don't change what you're doing" as if anyone in their right mind will keep using SEO Link Monster!

          2. "don't respond to Google it will make it worse" If you have that message from Google can things really get any worse?

          3. "it wasn't us" lol
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  • Profile picture of the author pjman
    I just dropped SEOLM too! Last time I use a blog network for links.
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  • Profile picture of the author JayC81
    I mentioned this on a different post, but I figured this one could use it too since there are similar comments... If it were me, and I was so sure that one system could decrease my rankings, then the absolutely first thing I would do is add ALL of my competitors sites to it.

    I don't think google works that way though. I'm not saying I know for sure or not, but if it were that easy to "decrease rankings" then there's no reason that you couldn't do the exact same thing to all of your competitors, start seeing their sites decrease in rankings, and then slowly see yours increase (due to their decreasing). This is why I feel that there's probably a lot more to the story, in terms of what Google is seeing.

    i know this comment doesn't have to do with link monster, but is there any reason why you have your website in google webmaster to begin with?

    That's like telling google... "Hey, please constantly look at the link building that I'm doing, no matter how small or large. Oh, and while you're at it, make sure that you put my site on your radar in case I want to do any sort of seo."

    Yeah, they have some neat features in their interface, but in my opinion it just raises a red flag to google because they have an eye for your site. Maybe I'm wrong or just overly cautious when it comes to seo (since no matter what seo you're doing, it's always there to be "unnatural" and trying to "beat google". that's the whole point of seo, no matter how white hat or black hat it is).... so why give google any reason what so ever to put your site on their radar? just sayin... this is why I keep my sites out of google webmaster and google analytics.

    off my high horse now and back to work.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by JayC81 View Post

      i know this comment doesn't have to do with link monster, but is there any reason why you have your website in google webmaster to begin with?

      That's like telling google... "Hey, please constantly look at the link building that I'm doing, no matter how small or large. Oh, and while you're at it, make sure that you put my site on your radar in case I want to do any sort of seo."

      Yeah, they have some neat features in their interface, but in my opinion it just raises a red flag to google because they have an eye for your site. Maybe I'm wrong or just overly cautious when it comes to seo (since no matter what seo you're doing, it's always there to be "unnatural" and trying to "beat google". that's the whole point of seo, no matter how white hat or black hat it is).... so why give google any reason what so ever to put your site on their radar? just sayin... this is why I keep my sites out of google webmaster and google analytics.

      off my high horse now and back to work.
      Yes, you are wrong. Google can see your incoming links and knows what you are doing whether you have Webmaster Tools installed or not.

      When people suggest not using GWT or Google Analytics is when you have multiple sites and linking the same GWT or GA account to all of those sites. If Google decides they do not like something about one of your sites, you just gave them a clean roadmap to other sites belonging to you that probably have similar or the same activities going on.
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      • Profile picture of the author JayC81
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        Yes, you are wrong. Google can see your incoming links and knows what you are doing whether you have Webmaster Tools installed or not.
        Yeah, I agree. They can see anyone's incoming links if they want to. I'm just saying that adding your site to google webmaster's gives them a "headstart" on the sites to auto-check incoming links to. It's like wearing a dark t-shirt in a crowd of all white shirts. It's not that google can't see the incoming links of the other sites, because they easily can. But the sites in google webmaster are the ones they take a look at first. Again, none of us know this for sure, and I'll be the first to say that... but I'm mentioning it because I've had past experiences with sites in webmasters compared to sites that are not.

        Plus, if your site is not in google webmaster, then they have no way to send you the message "We're detecting unnatural links on your site. Please tell us what you're doing."

        I mean, really? why would you ever "tell on yourself" if you're doing seo? haha.
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
          Originally Posted by JayC81 View Post

          It's not that google can't see the incoming links of the other sites, because they easily can. But the sites in google webmaster are the ones they take a look at first.
          If that were true, then you would WANT to use GWT because it would mean you could rank faster, since they are looking at your site first.

          Originally Posted by JayC81 View Post

          Plus, if your site is not in google webmaster, then they have no way to send you the message "We're detecting unnatural links on your site. Please tell us what you're doing."
          Just because you do not get a personal message in GWT, does not mean that they are not taking the same action against you. Without GWT, you just do not get a notification of it.
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        • Profile picture of the author retsek
          Originally Posted by JayC81 View Post

          Yeah, I agree. They can see anyone's incoming links if they want to. I'm just saying that adding your site to google webmaster's gives them a "headstart" on the sites to auto-check incoming links to. It's like wearing a dark t-shirt in a crowd of all white shirts. It's not that google can't see the incoming links of the other sites, because they easily can. But the sites in google webmaster are the ones they take a look at first. Again, none of us know this for sure, and I'll be the first to say that... but I'm mentioning it because I've had past experiences with sites in webmasters compared to sites that are not.

          Plus, if your site is not in google webmaster, then they have no way to send you the message "We're detecting unnatural links on your site. Please tell us what you're doing."

          I mean, really? why would you ever "tell on yourself" if you're doing seo? haha.
          what a bunch of bull****. i hope no one reads the above and believes it. :rolleyes:
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          • Profile picture of the author bbncu
            Just a newbie question, how does seo link monster work? Is it the same as ALN? Spun content? Seems like they got hit pretty hard....
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  • Profile picture of the author boxoun
    I beleive it is from having links from a lot of deindexed sites that are causing the problem. Get you refund now while you still can. Best advice in this thread!
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  • Profile picture of the author Derek Blandford
    Unfortunately, I can't speak good of SEOLinkMonster either.

    The first few days I used it, the results were awesome. My sites moved up after nearly every post. But then the hammer came down.

    I kept getting told that some sites got deindexed, but they were quickly replaced. I was even told my "group" was the one that got de-indexed and was then told I got moved to a new group.

    But the results have remained the same. Ever since those first few days I can't find any of my articles in Google doing a quotes search for the title. (e.g. "Article Title") If they were indexed, I should be able to find them that way.

    I just keep getting told "it takes time to get sites indexed"....what a bunch of bull! Even when I start a brand new site with a brand new post, Google finds and indexes it within 72 hours max without me doing anything. So these blog network sites that get lots of posts regularly should be getting indexed almost immediately..and definitely within just a few days.

    I don't buy the whole "it can take 7-10 days to get indexed". Maybe back in the good ole days, but these days Google finds new content extremely fast...even on new sites.

    I also have never received any update or admin email since the day I joined. Is anyone out there? What's going on with the program? Why are these issues not addressed to the whole membership?

    There's enough negative press that you'd think the admins would want to explain what's going on.

    Honestly, I'm not sure why this network is still open. Clearly they have been hit and hit HARD.

    I don't think I've read anything from anyone who is happy thus far with SEO Link Monster...although I realize in forums it's usually the people who are unhappy about something that actually post about it.

    I also must say Dori was good about being in touch with me and issuing me a refund. I just wish it would of worked out different.
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    • Profile picture of the author IM Ash
      Originally Posted by Derek Blandford View Post

      There's enough negative press that you'd think the admins would want to explain what's going on.
      They to busy issuing refunds and trying to replace deindexed domains.
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      • Profile picture of the author technog33k
        Originally Posted by Eleva8 View Post

        They to busy issuing refunds and trying to replace deindexed domains.
        I contacted SEOlinkmonster on 2 separate occasions on Sunday and have posted several times in this thread and I still have not heard a word from them at all.

        I did manage to get a refund though but had to go through Clickbank to get it. I cannot believe that they could not be bothered to even attempt some sort of reply. Anyway, I got my money back but unfortunately 3 sites got the unnatural linking WMT message.

        I just noticed that ALN have posted a message here on WF saying their network has been hit pretty hard in the last week. At least they are honest about it and are willing to admit they are having problems.
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  • Profile picture of the author mosthost
    At least ALN didn't pay for all the domains that got dropped. Imagine paying for 5,000 domains and watching them all dropped.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Does anyone know what will happen with these 5000 deindexed blogs? I assume ALN will take them out of the network but will the users who submitted the sites delete all the content on the sites so we don't have our links at deindexed sites?
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  • Profile picture of the author Cataclysm1987
    Google is getting super strict. Link schemes are the last to fall.
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    • Profile picture of the author Maz945
      Yep alas I used SEOLM and had good results. Then e-mail from Google about unnatural links, then noticed all the de-indexing, and then cancelled my account. I guess the same is happening with SEOLV as well. It looks as if Mr Callen's cash cow has fled.

      I also use UAW? Anyone had problems with them?
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      • Profile picture of the author cssitkt
        SEOLM could be be onto something here. I've heard of more people penalized using there network than anybody else's. Just change the name to SEO Competitor Monster.
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        • Profile picture of the author jhauer
          In an attempt to be fair, I was issued a full refund only one day after cancelling membership and requesting full refund. The refund was issued my SEOLM without my going through Click Bank. They refunded all fees I paid to them. (Intro $47 plus 1 month membership) They also responded to my support ticket within 12 hours. They explained that some of their sites were deindexed as a result of a member spilling the beans to Google. Props to them for quick and full refund.
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          • Profile picture of the author megadanny1
            This thread and others explaining how networks were deindexed have put me off signing up to any networks or buying any badly spun articles, it seems that all the networks leave some sort of footprint that is tracable by Big G
            it would be ok if the content was good quality but it seems most of the networks just use badly spun content
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  • Profile picture of the author boxoun
    Can't tell you how it worked but I can tell you why I didn't work.
    No pr. No categories. No moderation. Same themes. Download urls.
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  • Profile picture of the author MrToad
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    • Profile picture of the author Maz945
      Originally Posted by MrToad View Post

      I notice the scum at SEOLM have yet to reply on any public forum about the con they've performed. They don't even reply to support emails any more.

      These people are criminals.
      They obviously don't realise that people have long memories, especially if they've had a slap from Google, which one of my sites has had with a 90 place ranking drop. Hopefully no more than 60 days.

      If I ever see anything else from the Callen brothers, I'll avoid it, and even post things to warn others.
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    • Profile picture of the author jhauer
      Originally Posted by MrToad View Post

      I notice the scum at SEOLM have yet to reply on any public forum about the con they've performed. They don't even reply to support emails any more.

      These people are criminals.
      Sorry to hear that Mrtoad. My experience was that they not only responded within a day but processed full refund (Intro plus one month). You know that you can claim refund directly from ClickBank if the merchant doesn't respond?

      Based on the BMR mess, I think these folks got slammed by this new Google initiative to penalize networks.

      That being said, it is no excuse for no public response or explanation. I also will be wary of the Callens and Dori in the future. Especially if they are still selling this crap.
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      • Profile picture of the author Maz945
        Good for you. I didn't get a refund!
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        • Profile picture of the author jhauer
          Originally Posted by Maz945 View Post

          Good for you. I didn't get a refund!
          That sucks, did you try Clickbank or were you past the 60 days?
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  • Profile picture of the author MrToad
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    • Profile picture of the author Maz945
      Originally Posted by MrToad View Post

      Just be aware that these lying rats will not even give you a list of "your links". They just refuse without any explanation.
      I actually kept a load of the "links" when they used to give them to you in the early days. Aside from the fact Google has de-indexed them all anyway, the actual sites no longer exist anyway.... they've all been taken down and just have the ISP holding pages now.
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  • Profile picture of the author rightwrite
    Where are Dori and the others? They were here every day defending their network in the beginning. They need to step up and answer the questions here. I, too, had a site on page one before using them. Now, it is nowhere to be found.
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    • Profile picture of the author CyberAlien
      Originally Posted by rightwrite View Post

      Where is Dori and the others? They were here every day defending their network in the beginning. They need to step up and answer the questions here. I, too, had a site on page one before using them. Now, it is nowhere to be found.
      Have you tried sending them a PM? Most likely they aren't ignoring - it's easy to get backed up on responding to stuff on Warrior Forum when you have a business to run.
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      • Profile picture of the author IM Ash
        Originally Posted by Chase Watts View Post

        Have you tried sending them a PM? Most likely they aren't ignoring - it's easy to get backed up on responding to stuff on Warrior Forum when you have a business to run.
        Oh please dude! It has been over 2 weeks since this thread began and I assure you they have seen this thread and all the negatives spoken about their useless network. But guess what, they still accepting members!

        Did you see how BMR approached the situation? They alerted all members about what is happenning and even went as far as giving people the option to remove links and they even mentioned that refunds will be issued.
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          • Profile picture of the author Michael_Le
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            Originally Posted by MrToad View Post

            SEOLM and the scum behind it including Fat Friend will have a shock coming to them I think. What they have done is commit FRAUD. As you all know FRAUD is a serious serious offence.

            FBI anyone ?

            SEO Link Monster was a CON from the start. It didn't work because they don't know what the hell they are doing. If Dori spent more time on delivering a REAL business model instead of just FRAUD we would all be able to get on with more constructive things.

            One thing I have noticed in life is this. FRAUDSTERS, CONMEN and BULL****TERS always tend to be good talkers but if they are FAT as well, steer well clear because it is an indication that they are just a GREEDY LYING PIG and they'll do you for every dime without even a second thought !

            What say you DORI ?
            dont forget the so called GURUS who were offering the bonuses and pushing it to their list.
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  • Profile picture of the author mike martin
    Originally Posted by Randall Kufarsy View Post

    Here are my experiences with both SEONitro 497/month and SEOLinkmonster 47 month 1 and then 147/month. And a question to Dori.

    I only worked with SEONitro and SEOLinkmonster for a short while, but the effects were enormous, BUT in the wrong direction...

    Within 10 days I received dreaded - unnatural linking to my sites messages from WMT, I have been reading all day on this and other forums and sites and this is what I figured out what might be happening.

    On SEONitro I checked over 450 domains my sites were placed on and it turned out ALL of the domains had been deindexed! All of them, I kid you not! Ofcourse seonitro support tells me that this happens all the time to SOME sites, and they will be replaced and then things will be better.

    BUT it was not some sites; ALL the sites I checked were deindexed. Why the heck would they place customers links on deindexed sites?!

    Then on SEOLinkmonster the first couple of days you could still check the domains that the articles had been placed on and again, ALL of them had been deindexed. Later I could not check anymore, that option had disappeared in their backend.

    As soon as I saw that the articles were place on all deindexed sites I took my articles out of rotation, but this morning I found out that the damage already had been done. WMT already saw these sites as well and raised the flag.

    So I spent a couple of hours to reverse lookup the articles that are mentioned in WMT - and when I check all sites linking to my sites I run into the sites I recognize with articles that come through SEOlinkmonster and lo and behold, ALL of them were deindexed sites.

    After all my reading on this and other forums I now conclude that the main thing that triggered WMT unnatural linking warning must be the linking from deindexed domains.

    So I have one thing to ask Dori Friend: please be nice to your customers and take down all deindexed sites, that would at least solve one problem for all of your customers who have been placed on deindexed domains, in that it would rid our sites of these apparently dangerous backlinks. And could you please do that for SEONitro AND SEOLinkmonster?

    I am trying to get someone's attention as well on the SEONitro and SEOLinkmonster support sites as well, but apparently they are flooded with support tickets...

    DORI, PLEASE take those deindexed sites down, because like I said, I fear that your blognetworks have been tracked down and the best thing you can now do with these sites for your customers is take them OUT and all links DOWN. That could perhaps limit the damage a bit.

    I am now at the stage where I would gladly pay you to take those sites down so I get all links from deindexed sites pointing to my sites out of the way again, can you believe this?!

    Dori, these deindexed sites will do you no good and I think they are detrimental to all people who have articles on them because - afaik - links from deindexed sites in networks raise huge red flags. Talk about footprint..

    Apart from that I would have to say these guys know how to sell, because did they not convince me to jump on board? And the feeding of the articles went relatively smooth as well, so the back end really works as well.

    Just one minor detail, they placed all my articles on deindexed sites.

    What more can I say, probably this is lousy for your business as well.

    Dori, please take the deindexed sites down?
    bull mate, if you could damage a site with links, then i wouldnt be paying for links i would be paying link monster to link to my competitors, I have seen improvements from these sites, and de indexed sites still give you a boost, it is proven that deindexed sites help to prove you are not just linking fraudulently for seo purposes

    I run a Locksmiths in Manchester and since using link monster i have gone from page 6 to page one plus many other sites, the key is to not over link one site, instead add 10 sites on 10 articles and be patient.

    remember mate its easy to slag people off, but what real SEM people do is dont slag anyone off, they just learn from their mistakes and spot the money niches like Brad Matt and Dori have done brilliantly.
    mention their name online and you have a PR 3 site from people like you slagging them off, and thats why they are so rich.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by mike martin View Post

      it is proven that deindexed sites help to prove you are not just linking fraudulently for seo purposes
      You have a source for this research? I'd love to see it.
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    • Profile picture of the author bfas
      Originally Posted by mike martin View Post


      ... and de indexed sites still give you a boost, it is proven that deindexed sites help to prove you are not just linking fraudulently for seo purposes

      ...
      That's simply not true.

      Google doesn't recognize de-indexed sites; "de-indexed" means 'removed from the index'.

      A link on a de-indexed site does not convey any ranking boost. As for being 'proven that deindexed sites help to prove you are not just linking fraudulently for seo purposes' - that's just plain bad information.

      This is the sort of mis-information, hear-say, theory, or assumption passing for fact that does real damage to the people who may not know better.

      Michael
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    • Profile picture of the author SEO_WARRIOR
      Originally Posted by MrToad View Post

      Still no links list. Still no refund. Still no "support".

      Linkmonster = FRAUD
      The seolinkmonster.com is DEAD, I can't access it since yesterday. Please help me to get my money back!
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      • Profile picture of the author snakeyes
        Originally Posted by SEO_WARRIOR View Post

        The seolinkmonster.com is DEAD, I can't access it since yesterday. Please help me to get my money back!
        SEONitro -SEOLinkVineElite- BackLinkBuddy- SEOLinkMonster, Are all part of the same network!

        All de-indexed

        Brad callen is ruining his name this way !
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        • Profile picture of the author SEO_WARRIOR
          Originally Posted by snakeyes View Post

          SEONitro -SEOLinkVineElite- BackLinkBuddy- SEOLinkMonster, Are all part of the same network!

          All de-indexed

          Brad callen is ruining his name this way !
          I have two accounts with SEOLinkMonster & asked them to give me FULL REFUND!!

          Brad & Droi! Thank you very much for putting us at the edge of disaster!!
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          • Profile picture of the author snakeyes
            Originally Posted by Matt Callen View Post

            I'm *really* surprised to hear that you didn't get a reply from our support department. Our support staff at SEONitro, LLC - Powered by Kayako Fusion Help Desk Software has an average response time of less than 4 hours. Usually quicker, if the time of the submitted ticket isn't in the middle of the night (US time). Can you send me a PM here with your support ticket ID and I"ll make sure that I personally look at this for you.

            Second... yes, sites have been de-indexed, like many other networks out there. But this is definitely not true in saying that "all" sites are deindexed. Please stop spreading rumors. We just emailed all current members about all of the MAJOR updates we've done to the network, changes we've made, and important info about Google's latest updates. If you're still a member, you should have received this email.
            2 months ago when 50+ sites got de-indexed i received the same auto reply answer every time as i did recently!

            "We are now repopulating the network as fast as we can with our reserved inventory in addition to newly purchased aged/pr domains. Please bear with us during this process."

            the diff now is YES all the sites in the network have been de-indexed!
            I would be happy to send anyone a list to verify this.

            as of today you are still accepting customers on a network of de-indexed sites.
            Why have they not be removed to mitigate the damage?

            None were replaced in Feb or march!

            so why don't you process the $497 refund i requested for feb. for a network that couldn't be used. I have paid you guys over $5000 in linkvine elite!

            Oh and the guarantee of your links be remain permanently after you a customer for a year? how do you handle that one?

            you need to close all your affected networks to unsuspecting new customers ASAP !

            I doubt i will ever see a refund !
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    Jesus christ $5000??????!
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Callen
    seo_warrior, you were refunded in full. We have a refund policy, and we follow it. You asked for a refund, and you got one as promised.

    snakeeyes, I sent you a PM from your other identical post that was in the other thread. Not sure why you duplicated it here since we were chatting in the other thread and figure out the issue, why you weren't replied to by our staff, and fix up the refund... anyway... I sent you my contact info since you can't reply to PM's. I'll be on the lookout for your email.

    We sent out a very important email today to ALL seolinkmonster members, updating them on what's been going on the past couple weeks since Google's "attack". The information we shared with all members has a ton of updates and things that we've been doing to continue moving forward... things we've already changed, things we're in the process of working on, things we're planning to add, etc... If you're a current SEOLinkMonster member, just login to your members area and you'll see ALL of the info there on the "updates" page...

    Thanks!
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    • Profile picture of the author salegurus
      Originally Posted by Matt Callen View Post

      seo_warrior, you were refunded in full. We have a refund policy, and we follow it. You asked for a refund, and you got one as promised.

      snakeeyes, I sent you a PM from your other identical post that was in the other thread. Not sure why you duplicated it here since we were chatting in the other thread and figure out the issue, why you weren't replied to by our staff, and fix up the refund... anyway... I sent you my contact info since you can't reply to PM's. I'll be on the lookout for your email.

      We sent out a very important email today to ALL seolinkmonster members, updating them on what's been going on the past couple weeks since Google's "attack". The information we shared with all members has a ton of updates and things that we've been doing to continue moving forward... things we've already changed, things we're in the process of working on, things we're planning to add, etc... If you're a current SEOLinkMonster member, just login to your members area and you'll see ALL of the info there on the "updates" page...

      Thanks!
      Too little, too late.
      Learn from BMR and how they handled the situation.
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  • Profile picture of the author salegurus
    "Originally Posted by mike martin
    it is proven that deindexed sites help to prove you are not just linking fraudulently for seo purposes"

    Seriously ?? Proven by who?
    I have 2 sites that dropped from page 1 to nowhere to be seen.
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    • Profile picture of the author SEO_WARRIOR
      Originally Posted by salegurus View Post

      "Originally Posted by mike martin
      it is proven that deindexed sites help to prove you are not just linking fraudulently for seo purposes"

      Seriously ?? Proven by who?
      I have 2 sites that dropped from page 1 to nowhere to be seen.
      Mine also dropped.............and got LOVE NOTE from google that unnatural links are detected to your website. I have read the post by Matt but loss has bee done to us. I am thankful to Matt for the return but what about dropped rankings & lost income caused due to their network???
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      • Profile picture of the author mosthost
        Originally Posted by SEO_WARRIOR View Post

        Mine also dropped.............and got LOVE NOTE from google that unnatural links are detected to your website. I have read the post by Matt but loss has bee done to us. I am thankful to Matt for the return but what about dropped rankings & lost income caused due to their network???
        What does their TOS say? If it specifically states those aren't covered, then you're out of luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hitmanad
    Funny, I just came across SEOlinkmonster.com and briefly considered their service for a couple minutes....until I searched it on here.
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  • Profile picture of the author mosthost
    Originally Posted by MatthewWoodward View Post

    P.s. everything in that post came true
    You didn't have to be psychic to guess the demise of LinkMonster. This thing was ill-fated from the beginning. I mean people were getting penalized the DAY they started posting to it. Probably the worse timing of a product launch in IM history, really.
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