Duplicate content question

by Heathj
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I researched the forum and found some info on this, but there seemed to be a debate about whether you could submit articles that contained the same content or words as articles on your website.

I am going to start writing content for my website and i want to submit articles with links in them. Can I write an article, publish it on my website and submit it to article directories?

Or, do the two articles have to be different? If I have an article on my website (that I wrote) that is also posted somewhere else, will that count as duplicate content?

Is the trick to write a shorter version of an article on my website and submit that, so that people who read the shorter version will want to follow the link back to my website to read the rest? And if so, the article on my website, will contain the same info as the shorter article, plus the rest of what ive written...is that considered duplication.

It's all very confusing to me :confused:

Thanks for any help
#content #duplicate #question
  • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
    This should help you;

    Originally Posted by Chris Worner View Post

    1. Yes you can submit your already published articles to EZA, in fact, Chris Knight, the owner, has openly encouraged people to do so. Generally, you would be best advised to submit your content to your website first, wait for it to be indexed by Google, then submit it to EZA, to insure you gain credit from Google for being the original publisher.

    2. There is no such thing as duplicate content except on your own website. The only people who perpetuate this duplicate content crap are usually those who are talking out of their behinds, or who have a vested interest in convincing you that a duplicate content penalty exists, such as those selling spinning software or backlinking services.

    3. The same article posted accross multiple websites/blogs is called syndication. Syndication is a form of article marketing where you submit your content to multiple relevant websites and ezines in a bid to attract their readers to your website. The benefit of this is you gain much higher quality traffic than you could ever expect from any search engine (and much faster) resulting in better exposure and higher sales. (Provided you have your sales and marketing junk together)

    4. Please don't make the fatal mistake of making your business dependent on Google, it is not the be all and end all, and you will always be one algo update away from being wiped out instantly. Your also likely to pull your hair out and give up out of frustration waiting to get ranked in Google. Not to mention you could waste quite a lot of money if you started buying backlinking software and services with little to nothing to show for it.

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  • Profile picture of the author jerry310
    It's a HUGELY debated topic, and if you ask 50 people, you might get 50 different answers. My opinion is to always publish your unique content on your site first. Then if you want to submit it somewhere, you can rephrase it or write it in a different point of view. I tend to err on the side of unique content than on spun content just to be safe and help me sleep better. :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author mikenielson143
    As per my view the content of your article and site should be different because when people read your article and through the link they come to your site and find the same content then visitor does not get anything new and they just left your site.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    There is no such thing as duplicate content except on your own website. The only people who perpetuate this duplicate content crap are usually those who are talking out of their behinds, or who have a vested interest in convincing you that a duplicate content penalty exists, such as those selling spinning software or backlinking services.
    Actually, those that claim duplicate content only exists on the same domain are those that proclaim to be writers, in a feeble attempt to make their efforts seem more valuable. Often, these people either have or have had links in their sigs promoting their writing services.

    The truth is, there is a duplicate content FILTER, which these folks never mention. I wonder why? It amazes me how these people always bring up there isn't a doop penalty, but fail to mention anything about a doop filter. People that read these posts have a right to know about the filter, without the writers always omitting this fact.

    And this duplicate content FILTER works across domains, despite these folks pretending that duplicate content only exists on the same domain. If duplicate content truly only meant on the same domain, why would Google's duplicate content filter filter the results across multiple domains?

    Plus, their info is rather dated and there seems to be some evidence that sites with a lot of duplicate content are in fact being penalized. There was a time when Google merely filtered doop content. But it seems that after Panda, sites with a high percentage of doop content and little unique content of their own may be taking a site-wide hit in their rankings.

    This could explain why both Hubpages and EzineArticles were both hit by Panda, but Hubpages is coming back, while it looks like EZA is still declining in traffic.

    While in the past there hasn't been a doop penalty, things can and do change. Plus, just because there wasn't/isn't a doop penalty doesn't mean there isn't an "original bonus".

    For those that insist that Google is OK with doop results, why don't they end their articles the same way:

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    I'm sure if it's good for Google to list the very same article over and over, it's good for your readers as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author seoforu
    Do not post content from your website to spammy article directories. Keep content on your site unique. You can write other content for submitting in article directories but remember to keep them unique. You can submit the same article with some revisions to 5-10 article directories but not more than that.
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  • Profile picture of the author jonnyhardbaked
    This one will help you man.

    Duplicate Content, The Myth Drags On, And On And On! - Modtalk

    Kurt was right, duplicate content filter do exists.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shaolinsteve
    I have heard many views about this subject. I personally have an official copy on my site, then any articles I publish will be a brief re-write or a topic talking about a different product or steering somewhat clear from the products I am selling.

    Not sure why I do this though lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
    Originally Posted by articlemagic View Post

    Now I have my own method of "writing" articles that will pass copyscape 100%. I just signed to this forum to see if anyone else is using it. I can't disclose my method at this time.
    So you keep saying.

    ...you're so original in the way you're trying to drum up interest. I'm sure no one here has ever experienced your incredible selling powers.

    :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by Heathj View Post

    It's all very confusing to me :confused:
    Hi Heath, all you really need to know is in this post from yesterday, also mentioned above.

    But it's also very neatly explained (including a quotation direct from Google's "WebMaster Central Blog" - you're not going to get a more authoritative source than that!) in this little article from expert marketer Anne Pottinger: Article Marketers - Lay the Duplicate Content Myth To Rest Once and For All | Internet Marketing and Publishing

    And you can see, from all the posts like this one, not only that Google differentiates syndicated content (across domains) from duplicate content (within one domain), but that they go to quite some lengths to clarify this to people, too: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5273419

    Originally Posted by Heathj View Post

    If I have an article on my website (that I wrote) that is also posted somewhere else, will that count as duplicate content?
    No, definitely not.

    It won't count as duplicate content because it won't be duplicate content. It'll be syndicated content. They're two different things.

    What you're asking about above is actually the fundamental underlying business model of "article marketing", from which so many of us here have been making our livings and building our businesses for so long (and without having any "duplicate content" issues!).

    This post explains how it works: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5035794

    And this post, if it's of interest, explains how article directories work: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5068872

    Originally Posted by Heathj View Post

    It's all very confusing to me
    It is confusing.

    Nobody was born knowing all this stuff.

    This sort of confusion, unfortunately, is very widespread, and even more unfortunately it's still perpetuated now, even while Google and others struggle to correct that, because some people with vested interests (in selling stuff allegedly designed to circumvent an actually non-existent "duplicate content penalty") talk about duplicate content as if it included content across different domains. :p :rolleyes:

    I think and hope the links above will clarify that misunderstanding, anyway, when you have time to read them.

    The important thing is not to be misled by people whose idea of article marketing is that it's simply a form of SEO (i.e. rather than the traffic-generation method in its own right it actually is!): as so many of the successful article marketers here will attest to, that "information" has come straight out of the Urban Myth School of Internet Marketing.

    On this question, the consensus of opinion among people making a living from article marketing is very different from the one expressed by a few sellers of software/services/backlinks. Some interpretative and judgmental skills can be helpful to resolve conflicting "information". But until enough experience is acquired to develop those, there's always Google's own information as a reliable enough starting place.

    This post may also interest you: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5813594
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    • Profile picture of the author jerry310
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      Hi Heath, all you really need to know is in this post from yesterday, also mentioned above.

      But it's also very neatly explained (including a quotation direct from Google's "WebMaster Central Blog" - you're not going to get a more authoritative source than that!) in this little article from expert marketer Anne Pottinger: Article Marketers - Lay the Duplicate Content Myth To Rest Once and For All | Internet Marketing and Publishing

      And you can see, from all the posts like this one, not only that Google differentiates syndicated content (across domains) from duplicate content (within one domain), but that they go to quite some lengths to clarify this to people, too: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5273419



      No, definitely not.

      It won't count as duplicate content because it won't be duplicate content. It'll be syndicated content. They're two different things.

      What you're asking about above is actually the fundamental underlying business model of "article marketing", from which so many of us here have been making our livings and building our businesses for so long (and without having any "duplicate content" issues!).

      This post explains how it works: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5035794

      And this post, if it's of interest, explains how article directories work: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5068872



      It is confusing.

      Nobody was born knowing all this stuff.

      This sort of confusion, unfortunately, is very widespread, and even more unfortunately it's still perpetuated now, even while Google and others struggle to correct that, because some people with vested interests (in selling stuff allegedly designed to circumvent an actually non-existent "duplicate content penalty") talk about duplicate content as if it included content across different domains. :p :rolleyes:

      I think and hope the links above will clarify that misunderstanding, anyway, when you have time to read them.

      The important thing is not to be misled by people whose idea of article marketing is that it's simply a form of SEO (i.e. rather than the traffic-generation method in its own right it actually is!): as so many of the successful article marketers here will attest to, that "information" has come straight out of the Urban Myth School of Internet Marketing.

      On this question, the consensus of opinion among people making a living from article marketing is very different from the one expressed by a few sellers of software/services/backlinks. Some interpretative and judgmental skills can be helpful to resolve conflicting "information". But until enough experience is acquired to develop those, there's always Google's own information as a reliable enough starting place.

      This post may also interest you: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5813594
      Very well put
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  • Profile picture of the author FrankJohnson
    I have a follow-up question about article syndication. I have been trying to consume all of the different forum posts on article syndication, duplicate content, article directory submission, etc. Up until now, my thinking has been pretty firmly in the camp that we should post an article first on our site, then post it to a few article directories with a goal of getting it picked up by other related blogs (with the backlinks from those related blogs being much more valuable than the backlinks from the article directories, but the directories are a tool for being syndicated), etc. Not worried about duplicate content except on my own site (which I can address through use of the canonical tag).

    Then this morning I read this transcript of a video on the SEO Brain Trust site, and now I'm wondering if this is a new development I should be paying attention to. If you read the transcript, you can skip down to page 11 and start reading. On page 14 of the transcript, in the middle of a discussion about Google's new author attribution features, I read this:

    If you put a piece of content on your site, do not ask or allow
    anyone to use that content on another website except in very specific conditions,
    such as where you can actually control your rel=author tag on their copy so that they are giving you credit for it.
    Any comments on this?

    Thanks in advance for any help you can offer - I really appreciate it.
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  • Profile picture of the author JstewartPiBR
    Why you all are worried of duplicate content? If you want to publish your own website content in some article directories, publish it. But "customisation of content" is what I will go for. Little modifications, additions or omissions can even make your content interesting. So, why not go for custom content writing?
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