High PR Society Busted

Profile picture of the author cssitkt by cssitkt Posted: 03/21/2012
I just received this email from High PR Society - a blog network that appeared to have escaped the wrath of Google.

Around a month ago several networks - SEO Nitro (Dori Friend), HomePageBacklinks.com (Terry Kyle), Backlink Monster (Brad Callen), etc - got largely deindexed by Google. As soon as that happened we locked down HPS to new users, changed hosting, and went underground as best we could. Our goal was to protect the service for our users and ourself.

Unfortunately, a few days ago our luck ran out. A bit more than half of our sites were deindexed. We've seen sites drop and come back, but I don't think that's going to happen this time.
#busted #high #society

  • Profile picture of the author cssitkt
    cssitkt
    I recently filed a reconsideration request for a site that received the dreaded Notice of unnatural links. With all of the rankings dropping into oblivion overnight I figured i had nothing to lose.

    Google replied and said: if you give us details of the SEO services you used this will increase your chance of having the penalty removed. I wonder how many people are handing over link reports?

    I have link reports from most of the main Blog Networks that do or did advertise on warrior.
  • Profile picture of the author Kevin McNally
    Kevin McNally
    No doubt they will now have a long list then ! Shows that some of these networks did work although it was always a short term strategy .
  • Profile picture of the author jeromie
    jeromie
    Don't leave out the good news cssitkt

    We closed down HPS to new members well before we were at capacity. Our current sites are at ~70% utilization AND we have at least 600 completely unused PR sites. We have enough sites to replace the ones that were lost.
    We're also in discussions with possible domainer partners to add even more
  • Profile picture of the author cssitkt
    cssitkt
    Originally Posted by jeromie View Post
    Don't leave out the good news cssitkt

    We closed down HPS to new members well before we were at capacity. Our current sites are at ~70% utilization AND we have at least 600 completely unused PR sites. We have enough sites to replace the ones that were lost.
    We're also in discussions with possible domainer partners to add even more
    That's crazy talk. Only those in deep denial or blissfully ignorant would now consider using a blog network they didn't control to improve their rankings.
  • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
    Mantasmo
    Originally Posted by cssitkt View Post
    That's crazy talk. Only those in deep denial or blissfully ignorant would now consider using a blog network they didn't control to improve their rankings.
    So about half of all the "SEO" warriors?
  • Profile picture of the author cssitkt
    cssitkt
    Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post
    So about half of all the "SEO" warriors?
    You could be right there

    The trouble is a lot of the SEO services sold on Warrior work short term which is enough to get reviews and draw more customers in. People need to know that most of the services sold on warrior are complete rubbish with very little or no long term value.
  • Profile picture of the author IM Ash
    IM Ash
    Originally Posted by cssitkt View Post
    Google replied and said: if you give us details of the SEO services you used this will increase your chance of having the penalty removed. I wonder how many people are handing over link reports?
    I think this is more than enough evidence that the latest scare tactic used by Google (unnatural link building emails) was just the means to infiltrate the blog networks.

    These hits where not algorithmic, if they were then the entire network would have fallen and not just parts of it.

    People have exposed the networks they used in the hope that the penalties will be lifted.

    Any other thoughts?
  • Profile picture of the author cssitkt
    cssitkt
    Originally Posted by Eleva8 View Post
    I think this is more than enough evidence that the latest scare tactic used by Google (unnatural link building emails) was just the means to infiltrate the blog networks.

    These hits where not algorithmic, if they were then the entire network would have fallen and not just parts of it.

    People have exposed the networks they used in the hope that the penalties will be lifted.

    Any other thoughts?
    You could well be right - with 700,000 penalty messages going out to GWMT accounts in Feb, Google probably received quite a few confessions.

    I have enough evidence on my hard drive to give Google at least 15,000 blog network URL's!!
  • Profile picture of the author IM Ash
    IM Ash
    Originally Posted by cssitkt View Post
    You could well be right - with 700,000 penalty messages going out to GWMT accounts in Feb, Google probably received quite a few confessions.

    I have enough evidence on my hard drive to give Google at least 15,000 blog network URL's!!
    If this is how they did it then these dudes in the Google plex are playing a game of chess with us IMers. They had us on check with that one but it is far from checkmate
  • Profile picture of the author cssitkt
    cssitkt
    Originally Posted by Eleva8 View Post
    If this is how they did it then these dudes in the Google plex are playing a game of chess with us IMers. They had us on check with that one but it is far from checkmate
    Absolutely....I have my next wave of sites all lined up and will using a completely new SEO strategy. Needless to say I wont be using any Private Blog Networks
  • Profile picture of the author MarlboroMonkey
    MarlboroMonkey
    Originally Posted by cssitkt View Post
    Google replied and said: if you give us details of the SEO services you used this will increase your chance of having the penalty removed. I wonder how many people are handing over link reports?
    Oh man, what a classic police interrogation technique!

    Remember fellas, snitches get stiches.
  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Mike Anthony
    Originally Posted by Eleva8 View Post
    These hits where not algorithmic, if they were then the entire network would have fallen and not just parts of it.
    Yep. the number one error people are running around now for no reason at all is that deindexing is an update to the algo. Deindexing is almost always a manual process that is different from the algo. If deindexing were the algo then all sites being crawled would be hit around the same time but we have seen one network go under the radar for a while then another while others are untouched and then another.

    Problem for the rental networks is rather than innovate just about every network has been setup up the same copy cat way with just slight differences between them. So by now google probably does have a fairly streamlined way of outing and deindexing them.

    Originally Posted by cssitkt View Post
    Google replied and said: if you give us details of the SEO services you used this will increase your chance of having the penalty removed. I wonder how many people are handing over link reports?

    LOL - not many things recently have surprised me but it does surprise me that they are being that flat out obvious However it does underline the point made above. it they were deindexing algo wise they wouldn't need that information.
  • Profile picture of the author cssitkt
    cssitkt
    Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post
    Yep. the number one error people are running around now for no reason at all is that deindexing is an update to the algo. Deindexing is almost always a manual process that is different from the algo. If deindexing were the algo then all sites being crawled would be hit around the same time but we have seen one network go under the radar for a while then another while others are untouched and then another.

    Problem for the rental networks is rather than innovate just about every network has been setup up the same copy cat way with just slight differences between them. So by now google probably does have a fairly streamlined way of outing and deindexing them.
    Good point - the way the Blog Networks are going down does look manual. I wonder who's next? I know of a few not effected....yet.
  • Profile picture of the author IM Ash
    IM Ash
    Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post
    Yep. the number one error people are running around now for no reason at all is that deindexing is an update to the algo. Deindexing is almost always a manual process that is different from the algo. If deindexing were the algo then all sites being crawled would be hit around the same time but we have seen one network go under the radar for a while then another while others are untouched and then another.

    Problem for the rental networks is rather than innovate just about every network has been setup up the same copy cat way with just slight differences between them. So by now google probably does have a fairly streamlined way of outing and deindexing them.
    Agreed! In the process G has also revealed their hand so innovation is definitely going to be embraced. We going to see new networks that's for sure and I bet the next step is tightly themed sites in the network using Joomla, custom built sites etc.

    Interesting road ahead!
  • Profile picture of the author yukon
    yukon
    The original 700K scare tactic was just that, a scare tactic.

    So far all threads/comments I've seen people say their sites/pages had not dropped in the SERPs, but they were getting a message in GWT telling them to fix the problem links (LMAO! ).

    I can only imagine how many thousands of people fell for that scare tactic.

    My advise is, If pages haven't dropped into oblivion in the SERPs, leave the old links alone.

    Good grief people, don't reply to the Google messages, use your head!

    If you remove the old links you are guaranteed to drop in the SERPs. If Google does a manual penalty you'll drop in the SERPs. So you still have a 50% chance of holding SERP rank If you just ignore their message.

    Google is baiting with GWT messages!
  • Profile picture of the author IM Ash
    IM Ash
    What's funny is Google is actually playing whack-a-mole and in the process they highlighting the shortcomings of the algo!
  • Profile picture of the author yukon
    yukon
    Originally Posted by Eleva8 View Post
    What's funny is Google is actually playing whack the mole and in the process they highlighting the shortcomings of the algo!
    Yep, and no way are they going to do a manual penalty on 700K accounts.

    Think about it, the average webmaster most likely has multiple sites, so I'm sure that the 700K is the number of accounts, not actual websites. I'm sure the actual number of sites is a lot larger number than 700k.

    We all see the threads here on WF of people in panic mode, most likely they are creating their own problems by responding to the GWT messages.

    Don't take the bait!

    This is the funniest tactic I've ever seen, related to SEO!
  • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
    Mantasmo
    Originally Posted by yukon View Post
    Yep, and no way are they going to do a manual penalty on 700K accounts.
    I just wanted to make a few points if I may...

    1. Not all of those messages were about "unnatural links detected". So it's definitely less than 700k.

    2. It makes no difference how many, they apply the penalties automatically. The process of identifying link sources is done semi-manually (by locating networks/sites), then they just follow the links and apply penalties to websites. There's absolutely no need for Google employees to manually penalize each and every account site.

    3. I know at least 20+ people who got messages for anywhere from 1 to 20 websites and most of them have been hit by now (I'd say around 80%). Those who haven't been hit yet all got the messages not that long ago. For me personally it took exactly one week from receiving a message on two different websites (I don't have many sites linked though).

    So yes, it is a scare tactic, but it is being fuelled forward by pretty harsh penalties all around. That's why it works so well.

    Another thing (and why Google are OK with applying so many penalties) - the penalties expire over time. They de-index bad/spam blogs and the links naturally disappear. Over time, all of the penalized sites come back to their respective positions.
  • Profile picture of the author bitriot
    bitriot
    And more importantly, this proves that blog networks DO work and that they CAN NOT CURRENTLY be addressed by the algo - if they could, google wouldn't be doing all of this manual de-indexing.

    This is good news for people willing to invest in their own private networks.
  • Profile picture of the author IM Ash
    IM Ash
    Definitely Oscar material!

    But it has worked to a degree... I'm sure many webmasters will never think of ever purchasing another SEO service!

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