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Is blasting your first tier sites effective or dangerous?

by ikuret75
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When creating a link pyramid a lot of people just create the 1st tier sites using web 2.0 sites and blast them as second tier (profiles, comments, etc.)

I'm wondering how effective it would be. The reason we give links to your first tier sites is to make them stronger and give some link juice. But if you give 5000 links from pr 0 pages to your fist tier site (also pr0) it still remains page rank 0, from my experience. Does it(give 5000 links for example = blasting) still give value to the site?

Also to get 5000 links all of a sudden would be suspicious to Google's eyes. Even though it is not the money site, doesn't Google devalue the site as a backlink source and possibly penalize the site linked from it (main site)?

But since a lot of people seem to be doing it, has it been effective?

What's your thoughts on it?
#blasting #dangerous #effective #sites #tier
  • Profile picture of the author Cataclysm1987
    Multi tiered linking actually works pretty well.

    A lot of your links won't get indexed unless you do this.

    And while you may not see a noticeable page rank increase, the thing you have to understand is that Page rank is not just a number. There are various rankings in between the numbers that Google does not display. For example, you might get a page rank of 0.5 but think you have page rank of 0 because Google does not display information in between each PR level.
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  • Profile picture of the author gearmonkey
    I suggest not blasting your money site with crappy spammy links. Do this to your competitors, not to yourself. Lol
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    • Profile picture of the author KatyaSenina
      Originally Posted by gearmonkey View Post

      I suggest not blasting your money site with crappy spammy links. Do this to your competitors, not to yourself. Lol
      I'm afraid this is exactly what is going to happen right now since the latest Panda updates. Evil-minded people are going to spam their competitors to death with crappy, spammy links and are instead going to build quality backlinks to their own sites, just to rank their sites higher and lower their competitors rankings. Let's just hope I'm wrong. *hope I'm not giving anyone any ideas. That's just wrong*
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  • Profile picture of the author hicksdelight
    Do it to your tier 2 links, blast your money site and you're asking to be bummed by Google.
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  • Profile picture of the author ikuret75
    Thanks for your replies.
    No I'm not asking about blasting my money site. I'm asking about blasting the first tier, which has direct links to the money site.
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  • Profile picture of the author hicksdelight
    Oh, sorry, yeah I would say thats fine.
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  • Profile picture of the author zacxpacx
    ikuret to answer your question, blasting web2.0 sites is okay because Google is more lenient in terms of web2.0s getting large amounts of spammy links.

    I think this is because they are more social than just a fresh domain, but I don't know. I've had my web2.0s rank 1st and 2nd page the 2nd day after a blast. With all the Google alg changes recently it's hard to say what's going to happen next, but for now blasting Web2.0s is safe. Just don't touch your site with crappy links and point the 2.0s at your site.

    If you have a new site you might want to consider creating a linkwheel as well. They transfer link juice better than a pyramid. Do a bit of research and make sure you keep the linkwheel 'open' or you can get punished by google.
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    • Profile picture of the author hicksdelight
      Originally Posted by zacxpacx View Post

      ikuret to answer your question, blasting web2.0 sites is okay because Google is more lenient in terms of web2.0s getting large amounts of spammy links.

      I think this is because they are more social than just a fresh domain, but I don't know. I've had my web2.0s rank 1st and 2nd page the 2nd day after a blast. With all the Google alg changes recently it's hard to say what's going to happen next, but for now blasting Web2.0s is safe. Just don't touch your site with crappy links and point the 2.0s at your site.

      If you have a new site you might want to consider creating a linkwheel as well. They transfer link juice better than a pyramid. Do a bit of research and make sure you keep the linkwheel 'open' or you can get punished by google.
      Thanks

      As for your question at the end, I do not see why not, you aren't sending the links to your site so can't see how your site could get in trouble.
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      • Profile picture of the author ikuret75
        Originally Posted by hicksdelight View Post

        Thanks

        As for your question at the end, I do not see why not, you aren't sending the links to your site so can't see how your site could get in trouble.
        I actually had 2 questions. If it is safe or not would be my first question. As you said those crappy links are not toward the main/money site. However, I hear Google doesn't like it when your site is linked from a spammy site. Since Google sometimes de-index the site which has tons of spam links, then these sites are "spam" sites in Google's eyes, no? Then the site which receives a link from it might get in trouble.

        My second question would be the effectiveness. So if the 1st tier sites (What I mean here is the sites directly linking to your money site) get tons of links by blasting, does it boost up the value of these sites as link sources?
        In other words does blasting have any value in any way?

        It seems a lot of people are blasting their first tier using profile links, comments, etc. So I'm guessing it is effective so far. But I have never seen any "proof" it is effective.
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  • Profile picture of the author hicksdelight
    Whats difference between linkwheel and pyramid?
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    • Profile picture of the author ikuret75
      Originally Posted by hicksdelight View Post

      Whats difference between linkwheel and pyramid?
      Link wheel: You make several websites usually using web 2.0 and Site A links to Site B and Site B links to Site C and so on. Then the last Site (e.g. Site H) link back to Site A. All sites links to your main site as well. However it could be risky because it leaves some foot prints, so you may want to keep it open (Site H doesn't link back to Site A). It is also called "broken" Link wheel.

      Link pyramid: You make multiple tiers of sites. For example tier 1 has 10 sites, Tier 2 has 50 sites, Tier 3 has 1000 sites (or random crappy links). You give links only the sites of the upper tier. So Tier 2 sites only give link to tier 1 sites.This is 4 layered (main - tier1 -tier2-tier3) so it is much safer to give crappy links to tier 2 sites (from tier3). My question was is it OK to only have 3 layered pyramid and give crappy links to your tier 1 sites.(only 1 layer of buffer as opposed to 2 layers of buffer)
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  • Profile picture of the author RyanLB
    It really all depends on what you are blasting. "Blasting" quality in content links is fine, but I would never blast XRumer straight to the home page now. These might be ok on Tier 2, but definitely not on the first tier.
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    • Profile picture of the author ikuret75
      Originally Posted by RyanLB View Post

      It really all depends on what you are blasting. "Blasting" quality in content links is fine, but I would never blast XRumer straight to the home page now. These might be ok on Tier 2, but definitely not on the first tier.
      Thanks!BTW do you mean 1st tier as your money/main site? I have been using first tier? Im a bit confused with terminology because some people seem to use "first tier" as the main site and some use it for the sites directly linking to the main site. [main-1st-2nd] vs [main=1st - 2nd, 3rd]

      When you say you don't blast 1st tier, do you mean the money site?
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  • Profile picture of the author Tony Grant
    Hmmm, depends on which expert you follow, some would advise strongly agaisnt and others would say no probs. It seems that while the mist is clearing, go with your own gut instinct as that usually guides you the right way.
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  • Profile picture of the author hicksdelight
    I hear Google doesn't like it when your site is linked from a spammy site. Since Google sometimes de-index the site which has tons of spam links, then these sites are "spam" sites in Google's eyes, no? Then the site which receives a link from it might get in trouble.
    Web 2.0 sites are pretty safe I would say, and if worse comes to worse and they de-index a site you're still not gonna get penalized for your money site..Drop in links yes, but that can be recovered, And if youre going for low comp keywords most the time 1000 links isn't needed anyway.

    My second question would be the effectiveness. So if the 1st tier sites (What I mean here is the sites directly linking to your money site) get tons of links by blasting, does it boost up the value of these sites as link sources?
    In other words does blasting have any value in any way?
    I think the merit in it is it passes some juice to your main site, but not 100% on that.

    I normally use blasts to web 2.0 sites that I link to my inner pages, has good success with that.
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  • Profile picture of the author tgpros
    I've run several tests during various linkbuilding campaigns - some people say that blasting tier 1 with Scrapebox runs and XRumer is OK - others say it's not. To be honest, I didn't notice any difference either way - and my money site wasn't effected adversely in anyway, so I'd say it's fine to be honest.

    As other people on this thread have said though, keep XRumer and Scrapebox well away from your money site. Remember Scrapebox is really good for finding high PR blogs to comment on though - as long as you do it manually.
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  • Profile picture of the author jinx1221
    I see what you're saying how people are calling tier 1 as money site, so to clarify:

    money site<----tier 1<------tier2<------etc.etc.

    How I would treat tier 1 is, treat these as non-disposable, just like your money site.. quality content, quality spun if spun at all, and dont blast.. use careful strategy with any blasting tools to tier 1, in my belief these should appear as natural as possible.

    Tier 2, same as above only to lesser degree. You can treat these as disposable, but the question is if you want to. Do you want the value of these links to diminish by blasting, thus diminishing your 1st tier, in turn, your money site? With this in mind, blast sparingly and carefully.

    I might be Mr. Cautious, but I always like the "slow and steady wins the race" approach. Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author kingtana1
    Another important factor would be balancing your link volume and link velocity. A simple google search can help researching this.
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    • Profile picture of the author scottmacair
      Blasting to a tier 2 is still safe....at the moment but don't count on Google ignoring this strategy long term.

      In my experience there is no point blasting low quality links to your money site, tier 2 or tier 3 etc. It will not improve the ranking of the targeted keyword and will do more harm than good.

      Multi tiered strategies work but blasts from Xrumer, Scrapebox, AMR or Social Bookmark Demon etc do not work on any level.

      People need to understand this. Blasts of a single backlink source do not work and do more harm than good.
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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    Imo you can hurt any page, whether it's a web2.0 or a page on your money site. Tiered linking can work well but you should do it in a normal way:

    Good way:

    50 links tier1
    250 links tier2
    2500 links tier3
    25000 links tier4 (possibly)

    See that way only each link gets around 10 links, so even the most spammy links can't hurt in such way.

    Bad way:

    50 links tier1
    10.000 scrapebox comments or xrumer profile links tier2
    etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author MrDay
    To the OP, this method can work because the Web 2.0 sites are very popular sites and get a ton of links on a daily basis. It's not the same as blasting a brand new domain with 5000 links. -Now that would signal a red flag, I imagine.

    Best way to find out is by experimenting on your own. :p

    cheers
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    • Profile picture of the author scottmacair
      Blasts to any tier are pointless.

      Do these 2 simple tests:

      Test1: Pick a keyword that your site ranks for. Order an auto approve Scrapebox blast from Fiverr and target that keyword. Check your rankings in 2 weeks time.

      Test 2: Create one web 2 buffer site with a link to your main site. Order an auto approve Scrapebox blast from Fiverr and target the buffer site. Check your rankings in 2 weeks time.

      You will see that your rankings go down and not up.

      In the current climate the only way link building will improve your rankings long term is if it appears natural and blasts are very far away from natural.
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  • Profile picture of the author sackboy127
    At least they help the buffer sites get indexed.
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