Did I find a Golden Keyword?!?!?!!

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Hi everyone, I'm a newbie to IM but have been learning tons lately and I'm thinking about making a "Google Sniper 2" (I've gone through most threads about it) type site with this keyword that seems to be a real nugget!

It's a 5 word broad phrase about one of the most marketed departments on the net. It has 8,000 monthly searches and has 87,200 "competitors" putting the phrase between "-----" aphostrophes.

The top competitors are: a yahoo answers page at the very top, (with a few links as the best answer) then there's a blog that doesn't have the key word anywhere in the url but is indeed a IM site that appears to be done by a robot or something with tons of posts and links, weekly updates it seems. Then a couple more IM blog like pages and maybe authority sites that somehow include the keyword as: domain name dot com / keyword-like phrase. and a youtube vid somewhere in between.

To me it's very odd that it doesn't appear as a keyword domain website at the very top but I don't know if it's just because no one has created one on my native language or if its this panda update I see mentioned around or what? The concensus seems to be that GS2 is way outdated so...

Should I go for it and will I win the top if there's no one with that exact keyword or should I keep on researching affiliate IM? Thanks anyone!
#find #golden #keyword
  • Profile picture of the author stephenwaldo
    Unfortunately, one of the downsides of relying on an outdated course for doing your keyword research is… You get outdated results. Nobody has seriously used the search-in-quotes method of competition analysis since 2009, and even then it was invalid.

    #1. Competition wise, you only really care about the top 10 results for the keyword without quotes… After all, these are the people that you need to beat in order to start getting traffic.

    #2. Keyword volume wise, is the phrase 8,000 broad searches per month, phrase searches per month, or exact searches per month… Because that makes a difference. 8,000 exact searches per month is great, broad is still good but probably not what most would consider "golden".

    All of that being said, I'm still going to tell you to go for it and make the site anyways. Especially if the EMD is available. Don't spend more time learning about Internet marketing then you have to… Actually getting out there and taking action is the most important step IMHO. Most newbies fail before they begin because they spend so long in preparation that they're burnt out by the time they install Wordpress!

    Even if you don't make money from this first website, that's okay! You probably will, but either way the experience is worth more than the money at this point. Set a deadline for having this first website built, and then get to it!

    I would recommend that you do 10-20 articles instead of just 5, though.
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    • Profile picture of the author Digitalis
      Originally Posted by stephenwaldo View Post

      Nobody has seriously used the search-in-quotes method of competition analysis since 2009, and even then it was invalid.
      That makes total sense!

      #1. Competition wise, you only really care about the top 10 results for the keyword without quotes… After all, these are the people that you need to beat in order to start getting traffic. [/QUOTE]

      Yeah, like I've said it's a yahoo answers at the very top? This looks like a good sign no?

      #2. Keyword volume wise, is the phrase 8,000 broad searches per month, phrase searches per month, or exact searches per month… Because that makes a difference. 8,000 exact searches per month is great, broad is still good but probably not what most would consider "golden".
      It's phrase (only) 8,000 goblal searches per month.

      All of that being said, I'm still going to tell you to go for it and make the site anyways. Especially if the EMD is available. Don't spend more time learning about Internet marketing then you have to… Actually getting out there and taking action is the most important step IMHO. Most newbies fail before they begin because they spend so long in preparation that they're burnt out by the time they install Wordpress!
      Thanks man! I think I will! it looks good, my only fear is this Panda thingy, I still don't get what it is but I'm afraid it has something against EMDs? no?

      I would recommend that you do 10-20 articles instead of just 5, though.
      In that case it's not a GS2 site I think. Can I build it GS2 syle and then add up the other 15 articles on top. Or should I have them all in mind from the beggining.

      THANKS again!
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  • Profile picture of the author thehobbster
    Don't judge anything off of "broad". Go "exact". If you don't know what I'm talking about, research more!
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    • Profile picture of the author Digitalis
      Originally Posted by thehobbster View Post

      Don't judge anything off of "broad". Go "exact". If you don't know what I'm talking about, research more!
      I shouldn't have said broad, lol. I actually only ticked phrase. Good?
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      • Profile picture of the author UMS
        Originally Posted by eduguate View Post

        I shouldn't have said broad, lol. I actually only ticked phrase. Good?
        Phrase is better, but exact match will give you the most realistic results.

        Also, check the keyword in Google insights to make sure it isn't on a downward search trend and also check to see which country the most searches come from.
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        • Profile picture of the author Digitalis
          Originally Posted by UMS View Post

          Phrase is better, but exact match will give you the most realistic results.

          Also, check the keyword in Google insights to make sure it isn't on a downward search trend and also check to see which country the most searches come from.
          If I do exact match I only get 9 results, are you suggesting picking one of those...? none seem too good, and definately not as appealing as the one I have!

          What could go wrong if I stick with phrase?
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        • Profile picture of the author Digitalis
          Originally Posted by UMS View Post

          Also, check the keyword in Google insights to make sure it isn't on a downward search trend and also check to see which country the most searches come from.
          Search interest has gone from: (14) Jan 2009 to (50) Jan 2010 and 2011 to (90) Jan 2012!
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  • Profile picture of the author Digitalis
    ...and what would be best? (this is not my idea of course) bestweightlossdiet.com or thebestweightlossdiet.com
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  • Profile picture of the author WFmarketer
    bestweightlossdiet.com of course
    there's gotta be more searches for this. Add the in front only if you need to.
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    • Profile picture of the author Digitalis
      Originally Posted by WFmarketer View Post

      bestweightlossdiet.com of course
      there's gotta be more searches for this. Add the in front only if you need to.
      brilliant thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author Digitalis
    Right so, Just to be clear before I dive in!!!!

    ...If I type in the 5-word keyword (wich has 8,000 monthly searches ticking phrase only) and yahoo answers appears at the top and there is no EMD (can they still beat me without the EMD?) or any too close then it should be quite good right? Any significant risk with Panda, sandbox, etc?

    If you guys give me green light I will go for it tonight!!!! so thanks!
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    • Profile picture of the author DeskCoder
      Originally Posted by eduguate View Post

      Right so, Just to be clear before I dive in!!!!

      ...If I type in the 5-word keyword (wich has 8,000 monthly searches ticking phrase only) and yahoo answers appears at the top and there is no EMD (can they still beat me without the EMD?) or any too close then it should be quite good right? Any significant risk with Panda, sandbox, etc?

      If you guys give me green light I will go for it tonight!!!! so thanks!
      How many EXACT searches ... that is what you need to look at. Not phrase, exact.
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      • Profile picture of the author Digitalis
        Originally Posted by DeskCoder View Post

        How many EXACT searches ... that is what you need to look at. Not phrase, exact.
        exact = 880 searches ...good?
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        • Profile picture of the author UMS
          Originally Posted by eduguate View Post

          exact = 880 searches ...good?
          880 exact GMS is not much unless it is a very, very highly targeted keyword phrase with commercial intent.

          Unless there are a good bunch of other related keywords with similar or better search volume, I personally wouldn't bother with it.
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          • Profile picture of the author Digitalis
            Originally Posted by UMS View Post

            880 exact GMS is not much unless it is a very, very highly targeted keyword phrase with commercial intent.

            Unless there are a good bunch of other related keywords with similar or better search volume, I personally wouldn't bother with it.
            It kind of does have commercial intent if I get what you mean. It gets 2,920,000 results without "" if that says anything...?

            thanks!
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          • Profile picture of the author JSProjects
            Originally Posted by UMS View Post

            880 exact GMS is not much unless it is a very, very highly targeted keyword phrase with commercial intent.

            Unless there are a good bunch of other related keywords with similar or better search volume, I personally wouldn't bother with it.
            I don't shy away from these types of keywords if they're buyer oriented. Mainly because they're REALLY easy to rank for. (For the most part.)
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            • Profile picture of the author Digitalis
              Originally Posted by JSProjects View Post

              I don't shy away from these types of keywords if they're buyer oriented. Mainly because they're REALLY easy to rank for. (For the most part.)
              Thanks man! I needed someone to think otherwise cause I want to go for it! Being a begginer I do want an easy rank! so that's great! thanks a lot!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author brittlesnc
    Well a couple of other things you might want to consider are:

    1. Does the keyword phrase have commercial intent?

    Not to say you can't make money with informational keyword phrases it's just more of a process I think to get people who are searching for information as opposed to people who are looking to buy or very close to buying; unless you're doing Adsense or lead generation which if that's the case all you have to do to make money is for them to click or take some sort of action that doesn't involve the person spending money.

    2. Look at local searches not global. I say local because those are searches done in the U.S. and global means just that...global.

    It's doubtful that you'll rank for google.com, google.uk, google.de (Germany), etc. to get all that global traffic so just look at the local searches.
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    • Profile picture of the author Digitalis
      Originally Posted by brittlesnc View Post

      Well a couple of other things you might want to consider are:

      1. Does the keyword phrase have commercial intent?

      Not to say you can't make money with informational keyword phrases it's just more of a process I think to get people who are searching for information as opposed to people who are looking to buy or very close to buying; unless you're doing Adsense or lead generation which if that's the case all you have to do to make money is for them to click or take some sort of action that doesn't involve the person spending money.
      I think it does! its something like best (place) for (verb to use the product) (product category (which is one of the very top product categories that get sold online I'd say)).com. It doesn't have the word buy but it doesnt have the word free in it either...

      2. Look at local searches not global. I say local because those are searches done in the U.S. and global means just that...global.

      It's doubtful that you'll rank for google.com, google.uk, google.de (Germany), etc. to get all that global traffic so just look at the local searches.
      I'm not in the US, anything to consider? They appear as the same anyway, global and local...
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      • Profile picture of the author UMS
        Originally Posted by eduguate View Post

        I'm not in the US, anything to consider? They appear as the same anyway, global and local...
        It doesn't matter where you are, but it can matter greatly on where your target audience and product/service is.

        For example, take the keyword

        car hifi

        This keyword gets 18,100 exact Global Monthly Searches (GMS).

        However, if you look at the Local Monthly Searches (LMS) for the US, that search volume disappears through a big hole in the ground.

        LMS is only 91!!

        Looking at the keyword in Google Insights you'll see the the bulk of the searches are coming from Germany and Austria with the US not even in the top 10.

        Now, depending on the product you are promoting, that can have a huge impact.

        Say you decided to promote car hifi on Amazon US. As there are very few people in the US searching for this term, your conversion rate would be very, very low unless you detected European traffic and had them go to Amazon Germany.
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        • Profile picture of the author Digitalis
          Originally Posted by UMS View Post

          It doesn't matter where you are, but it can matter greatly on where your target audience and product/service is.

          For example, take the keyword

          car hifi

          This keyword gets 18,100 exact Global Monthly Searches (GMS).

          However, if you look at the Local Monthly Searches (LMS) for the US, that search volume disappears through a big hole in the ground.

          LMS is only 91!!

          Looking at the keyword in you'll see the the bulk of the searches are coming from Germany and Austria with the US not even in the top 10.

          Now, depending on the product you are promoting, that can have a huge impact.

          Say you decided to promote car hifi on Amazon US. As there are very few people in the US searching for this term, your conversion rate would be very, very low unless you detected European traffic and had them go to Amazon Germany.
          I would be selling an online product for a huge name, if no the biggest in the industry! I even recently heard of 2 separate friends in real life who got it!
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  • Profile picture of the author brittlesnc
    And phrase match could work if you don't mind doing a bit more research for more keyword phrases, writing more content and going after long tail keyword phrases as well as the searches that get more traffic.

    For example:

    "home alarm system" gets 9,900 phrase searches meaning that there is approximately 9,900 searches with "home alarm system" in the searches and in that order.

    And here's the break down of EXACT local searches:

    home alarm system = 2,400
    home alarm system reviews = 480
    wireless home alarm system = 390
    best home alarm system = 390
    etc., etc., etc.

    And those keyword phrases would add up to something around 9,900 searches but that's if the Google keyword tool lists them all...some keyword phrases get such little traffic that Google doesn't list them all.

    However, the ones that aren't listed you can find by typing in "home alarm system" in the Google search bar and looking at the suggestions that appear...tedious work but a good way to find long tail keyword phrases (may even be some tools to make this less tedious and time consuming). But keep in mind some may get a decent amount of searches and some may not.

    And what I mean when I say some may get a decent amount of searches even though it's not listed in the Google keyword tool YET because it may be a keyword phrase that's trending now...kind of like when a new product comes out and it starts getting a ton of searches later on as it becomes more popular even though it wasn't getting searches before...but in the meantime it won't be listed by the Google keyword tool.

    Sorry for the long post and others can correct me if I'm wrong about something...
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  • Profile picture of the author Jordan Kovats
    Just out of curiousity...what's the CPC on the EXACT phrase? For 880...I would hope it is >$1 or $2. If it is less..the earnings go down.
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    • Profile picture of the author Digitalis
      Originally Posted by theseoguys View Post

      Just out of curiousity...what's the CPC on the EXACT phrase? For 880...I would hope it is >$1 or $2. If it is less..the earnings go down.
      A lot more than that! ...less than $20 or $30 though.
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  • Profile picture of the author Digitalis
    Right so, Just to be clear before I dive in!!!!

    ...If I type in the 5-word keyword (which has 880 monthly EXACT searches) and yahoo answers appears at the top and there is no EMD or any too close then it should be quite good right? Any significant risk with Panda, sandbox, etc?

    If you guys give me green light I will go for it!!!! so thanks!
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by eduguate View Post

      Right so, Just to be clear before I dive in!!!!

      ...If I type in the 5-word keyword (which has 880 monthly EXACT searches) and yahoo answers appears at the top and there is no EMD or any too close then it should be quite good right? Any significant risk with Panda, sandbox, etc?

      If you guys give me green light I will go for it!!!! so thanks!
      Yeah its good to go but don't expect to get rich from it, be happy if you reach $30 or so a month if you reach the top 3. There is nothing to worry about if there would be anohter EMD at top5, especially not if its another thin PR0 site as such it would only indicate that it's probably an easy kw.
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      • Profile picture of the author Digitalis
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        Yeah its good to go but don't expect to get rich from it, be happy if you reach $30 or so a month if you reach the top 3. There is nothing to worry about if there would be anohter EMD at top5, especially not if its another thin PR0 site as such it would only indicate that it's probably an easy kw.
        I would be blissful if I get 30$ a month! As long as I cover hosting I'm happy! It's the knowledge that I want!

        ...what is a "thin PRO" site? There are no EMD sites on top btw, what does that mean?

        There are 5 yahoo answers in the 1st page results if I type the kw in yahoo btw... good sign right?

        Anyway, thanks man! I really appreciate it!!!!!!!
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        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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          Originally Posted by eduguate View Post

          I would be blissful if I get 30$ a month! As long as I cover hosting I'm happy! It's the knowledge that I want!

          ...what is a "thin PRO" site? There are no EMD sites on top btw, what does that mean?

          There are 5 yahoo answers in the 1st page results if I type the kw in yahoo btw... good sign right?

          Anyway, thanks man! I really appreciate it!!!!!!!
          Uhhh... not a thin Pro sites, a thin PR 0 site (pr zero).

          A thin site is a site that has only a few pages and not much interesting to mention really, mostly it contains some crappy articles. PR = PageRank that go's from 0 to 10. Twitter.com = PR10. Your site will start as PR0 when it has gathered a few backlinks cause actually it starts as PR n/a (pagerank not available).

          That there are no EMD can mean a couple of things:

          1: the keyword is not interesting enough for others
          2: no one has been so creative as you with finding this kw
          3: they didn't manage to reach page 1 with their EMD, less likely but not impossible
          4: fill in yourself

          EMD = Exact Match Domain so that the domain exactly matches with your keyword, you used to get a great ranking advantage with these but it seems to get less every day.
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          • Profile picture of the author Digitalis
            Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

            Uhhh... not a thin Pro sites, a thin PR 0 site (pr zero).

            That there are no EMD can mean a couple of things:

            1: the keyword is not interesting enough for others
            2: no one has been so creative as you with finding this kw
            3: they didn't manage to reach page 1 with their EMD, less likely but not impossible
            4: fill in yourself

            EMD = Exact Match Domain so that the domain exactly matches with your keyword, you used to get a great ranking advantage with these but it seems to get less every day.
            1: This has to be highly interesting to others...

            2: This seems the most likely, but it's hard to believe! :O

            3. If this were the case I should be able to find them by searching keyword.com no?

            THANKS MAN!
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          • Profile picture of the author Digitalis
            Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

            Uhhh... not a thin Pro sites, a thin PR 0 site (pr zero).

            A thin site is a site that has only a few pages and not much interesting to mention really, mostly it contains some crappy articles. PR = PageRank that go's from 0 to 10. Twitter.com = PR10. Your site will start as PR0 when it has gathered a few backlinks cause actually it starts as PR n/a (pagerank not available).
            I'm only now understanding this...

            The Top 10 results in google have PR:

            1: N/A (yahoo answers)
            2: 3/10
            3: 1/10
            4: 4/10 (youtube vid)
            5: 0/10
            6: N/A
            7: 1/10
            8: 1/10
            9: N/A
            10: 4/10

            ...CAN I BEAT THEM? I'm about to buy the domain!!! thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jordan Kovats
    Um...what are you waiting for? A $20 cpc keyword...and that for page one competition? Tell me and I'll go buy it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Digitalis
      Originally Posted by theseoguys View Post

      Um...what are you waiting for? A $20 cpc keyword...and that for page one competition? Tell me and I'll go buy it.
      What do you mean, stop chickening out and just go for it?!?!?
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  • Profile picture of the author Jordan Kovats
    Dude...it's $9 for a domain...you could have a site up by tomorrow...with content and earning in a few weeks....
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    • Profile picture of the author Digitalis
      Originally Posted by theseoguys View Post

      Dude...it's $9 for a domain...you could have a site up by tomorrow...with content and earning in a few weeks....
      I'm actually getting the hosting so it's $50 bucks, but still, you are right! lol, I just needed one more green light. You are it and I guess you mean the competition is easy, right? In that case I'm going for it OMG!!!!
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      • Profile picture of the author JSProjects
        Originally Posted by eduguate View Post

        I'm actually getting the hosting so it's $50 bucks, but still, you are right! lol, I just needed one more green light. You are it and I guess you mean the competition is easy, right? In that case I'm going for it OMG!!!!
        If you're on a tight budget check out http://www.freehostia.com

        Their "Chocolate" plan is pretty solid and 100% free. I've been recommending them to clients looking for an affordable solution for a couple of years now. No complaints.

        Plus, the intro video on the site is so hilariously over-the-top and awesome.
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  • Profile picture of the author JSProjects
    edu, just thought I'd mention that I enjoy your enthusiasm. I know you're new at all of this, but I really do admire how enthusiastic you are. Most "newbies" are afraid to ask questions, put-off by the thought of having to work hard, etc.

    I'll bet a year from now you'll be the one helping others and definitely earning more than $30 a month.
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    • Profile picture of the author Digitalis
      Originally Posted by JSProjects View Post


      I'll bet a year from now you'll be the one helping others and definitely earning more than $30 a month.
      Thanks man! Hopefully your kind words will become true! and boy will I be happy!!! I've made my mind up now! I'm going for it!

      ... and thanks for the link. How awesome is a free hosting site!!!!!

      Thing is if I go for it and it works I will literally go mad and start making tons of websites (after I get the hold of it of course) So I would like unlimited domains to be hosted. However this could be a better option if I'm not going to be making more than 5 this yeay so...

      ...mmm, more thinking to be done! but thanks anyway!!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jordan Kovats
    And you don't need $50 hosting out of the gate. Hostgator should suffice right away. The max plan you need there would be $10 a month with unlimited domains.
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    • Profile picture of the author Digitalis
      Originally Posted by theseoguys View Post

      And you don't need $50 hosting out of the gate. Hostgator should suffice right away. The max plan you need there would be $10 a month with unlimited domains.
      BEST FORUM EVER! thanks!!!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author Digitalis
      Originally Posted by theseoguys View Post

      And you don't need $50 hosting out of the gate. Hostgator should suffice right away. The max plan you need there would be $10 a month with unlimited domains.
      Actually I meant 4.95 x 12 months at bluehost, host gator is more expensive in this way, but thanks anyway!

      A year should be enough and not to much to test out a site right?
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      • Profile picture of the author micksss
        Originally Posted by eduguate View Post

        Actually I meant 4.95 x 12 months at bluehost, host gator is more expensive in this way, but thanks anyway!

        A year should be enough and not to much to test out a site right?
        Yes and BlueHost will give you a pro-rated refund for anytime left on the 12 months if for some reason you decide you want to cancel with them.
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        • Profile picture of the author Digitalis
          Originally Posted by micksss View Post

          Yes and BlueHost will give you a pro-rated refund for anytime left on the 12 months if for some reason you decide you want to cancel with them.
          wow! excellent! thanks!
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      • Profile picture of the author JSProjects
        Originally Posted by eduguate View Post

        Actually I meant 4.95 x 12 months at bluehost, host gator is more expensive in this way, but thanks anyway!

        A year should be enough and not to much to test out a site right?
        If you're OK with paid hosting, I've been using Awe-inspiring shared hosting | Hosting for more than 3 years now. No issues whatsoever and you can't beat $5 a month for unlimited domains.

        Heck, if you don't need a lot of disk space the $35 a year option is an even better deal.
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        • Profile picture of the author Digitalis
          Originally Posted by JSProjects View Post

          If you're OK with paid hosting, I've been using Awe-inspiring shared hosting | Hosting for more than 3 years now. No issues whatsoever and you can't beat $5 a month for unlimited domains.

          Heck, if you don't need a lot of disk space the $35 a year option is an even better deal.
          That's more like it, if it's got unlimited hosting I'm getting this one instead!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jordan Kovats
    Month to month should work too.

    Let me get straight with you. If you are expecting to build your first site, fill it with quality content, have everything go perfectly smooth in wordpress, rank it on page one, monetize it and start watching the money roll in...Bzzzzzzzzzzt. Have I got a surprise for you.

    The point is, the first part about getting started, is getting started. The next part is doing something. Do not expect to be perfect. It looks like you have done some research, some homework, and made a best guessed estimate that this is something worth buying. Therefore, we all have to start from somewhere. So, get started, be prepared to stumble, fall, scrape a knee, get up, keep going.

    One of the best things I ever heard was a guy talking about teaching his son to play baseball. As the father of a 2 yr old, I can relate. Just imagine teaching him how to hit. He is going to be awful the first few times. Am I going to tell him, strike 3, yer out of here after 3 pitches? No way. It will be the continuous message, You Can Do It. Or, swing til you hit.

    The same applies here. Research, Build, Execute, Learn, Refine, Repeat. Eventually, if you keep swinging until you hit, you will reap the rewards. A saying I like to go back to is "The only way this won't work is if you don't do it". I said this to someone a few years ago about a project.

    Be prepared to make mistakes, be prepared to fall, but keep your enthusiasm, and look at it that way all the way through and you'll be fine.

    Swing til you hit.
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    • Profile picture of the author Digitalis
      Originally Posted by theseoguys View Post

      Month to month should work too.

      Let me get straight with you. If you are expecting to build your first site, fill it with quality content, have everything go perfectly smooth in wordpress, rank it on page one, monetize it and start watching the money roll in...Bzzzzzzzzzzt. Have I got a surprise for you.

      The point is, the first part about getting started, is getting started. The next part is doing something. Do not expect to be perfect. It looks like you have done some research, some homework, and made a best guessed estimate that this is something worth buying. Therefore, we all have to start from somewhere. So, get started, be prepared to stumble, fall, scrape a knee, get up, keep going.

      One of the best things I ever heard was a guy talking about teaching his son to play baseball. As the father of a 2 yr old, I can relate. Just imagine teaching him how to hit. He is going to be awful the first few times. Am I going to tell him, strike 3, yer out of here after 3 pitches? No way. It will be the continuous message, You Can Do It. Or, swing til you hit.

      The same applies here. Research, Build, Execute, Learn, Refine, Repeat. Eventually, if you keep swinging until you hit, you will reap the rewards. A saying I like to go back to is "The only way this won't work is if you don't do it". I said this to someone a few years ago about a project.

      Be prepared to make mistakes, be prepared to fall, but keep your enthusiasm, and look at it that way all the way through and you'll be fine.

      Swing til you hit.
      Thanks man! I really appreaciate you encouraging words. Well... let the swinging begin!!!
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    it's also depend which kw tool you use I would recommend market samurai this tool does all to find those golden kw...
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      Originally Posted by Svetislav View Post

      it's also depend which kw tool you use I would recommend market samurai this tool does all to find those golden kw...
      I've seen it mentioned a bit now... I will look into it... Thanks!!!!!
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    double post...
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