Is there really any point buidling tier 2 backlinks?

Simmeon

12 years ago

Showing Google that your links have variation is key.

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tpw

12 years ago

If you don't mind building the foundations of your business on quick sand, then there is no problem at all.

Google makes over 100 algorithm tweaks each calendar year. Any one of those could undo what you did previously, at any time.

Build a business based on Google's love, or build a business that does not rely upon Google for its success...

It is your choice, but I am happy to choose the second any day of the week.

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Mike Anthony 12 years ago

Originally Posted by tpw

If you don't mind building the foundations of your business on quick sand, then there is no problem at all.

Sorry tp. Pure and utter baloni. I know I probably won't get an answer because this obviously was moved from the main section and you rarely comment here but ---

The central premise wrong with all anti- SEo/Google people who love to comment on SEO in the main section is that you have no clue what you are talking about and how SEO can be utilized to create google independent traffic.

You erroneously assume that monthly search volume is the only basis for SEO traffic. Its incredibly short sighted because monthly traffic numbers from search are over time always but a fraction of the traffic that initiates with Google. For example

The term "internet marketing forum" receives 3600 global searches per month (exact). Anyone having found Warrior forums and a few other internet marketing forums through this search result is unlikely to consistently search for the term again each month for months to come. Having found Warrior forums THROUGH GOOGLE and THROUGH SEO many will become repeat visitors. If even 5% visit WF each month then within about 18-20 months the traffic that originated from initially finding Google will equal what is the monthly search volume - but its actually better than this

Those marketers will invariably suggest Warrior forums to others both off and online and this too is due to Initial SEO and search volume because they found the site through Google serps. As long as WF continues to satisfy the information people are looking for when they search for an internet marketing forum WF will continue to enjoy that residual traffic and the growth from it EVEN IF TOMORROW WF WAS DEINDEXED IN GOOGLE.

Anti SEO people pretend like return traffic does not exist and if tomorrow you drop in Google instantly your business goes kaput but this is only so if you provide no quality content/ user experience which is the EXACT SAME for any traffic system.

Go ahead and give no good content to your list and your unsubscribe numbers will soar. Go ahead and buy banner ads or media placement for products and services that do not deliver and eventually the word gets out and your refund rate ends up slaughtering you and no one any longer wants to do JVs with you

So the whole anti Google, anti SEO you "will sink in quick sand if you use SEO" rhetoric simply assumes that no one who does SEO creates anything worthy of repeat traffic - which is nonsense.
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styledoesmatter

12 years ago

Originally Posted by tpw

If you don't mind building the foundations of your business on quick sand, then there is no problem at all.

Google makes over 100 algorithm tweaks each calendar year. Any one of those could undo what you did previously, at any time.

Build a business based on Google's love, or build a business that does not rely upon Google for its success...

It is your choice, but I am happy to choose the second any day of the week.

It's very fashionable to blast SEO as a flash in the pan business and think that buying traffic is more "enlightened". However, all businesses face ups and downs --and if you do things right -- you don't have to lose any sleep about Google's 100 algo changes. My sites have been rock solid for years.

Also, this has nothing to do with the OP's question.

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Manoj V

12 years ago

I agree with the above - diversification in SEO techniques is the key. PR2 backlinks may hold less weight but not always can you find high PR sites to get backlinks from.

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sackboy127

12 years ago

A possible use of Tier 2 links is to help get your Tier 1s indexed faster, and also the first tier protects your site from the negative effects of possible low quality links you build as second tier.

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yukon

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by seamy82

Hi All,

Given the fact that spinning appears to be dead and blasting profile/blog comment links appears to be pointless, what is the point of building tier 2 links manually? If you are going to manually build a quality link is it not better to have that link pointing straight to your money site? I would love to hear some of your views on this, as I cannot really see the benefit but I have been wrong a lot in the past.

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Seamy

If you post your SEO threads in the SEO forum when you first start a new thread, you won't have to deal with anti-SEO comments.

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drmadcow

12 years ago

I'm going to say with Panda 3.4, and an emphasis on smaller link counts than yes it is valid. However not in the manner that a lot of users here talk about, for instance building 100 web 2.0 links to a blog post (this is a terrible idea). If you want to go this route build a few links (1-5 per) here and there, and not on every guest blog post or whatever your trying to build that extra strength for. You want it to appear natural / organic. You may want to even stagger the web 2.0 links over a period of time so they aren't link spikes (ie 1-2 web 2.0 links on each post for 5 month period). Anyone that has checked their logs can see how quickly Google picks up new links, and I can guarantee you they have used this sort of data to determine blog networks (100 blogs suddenly linking to a domain is very detectable).

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dp40oz

12 years ago

Originally Posted by seamy82

Hi All,

Given the fact that spinning appears to be dead and blasting profile/blog comment links appears to be pointless, what is the point of building tier 2 links manually? If you are going to manually build a quality link is it not better to have that link pointing straight to your money site? I would love to hear some of your views on this, as I cannot really see the benefit but I have been wrong a lot in the past.

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Seamy

Spinning is not dead by any means and profile and blog comments still give link juice. I just ranked a low comp keyword with just them. So yes, tiered link building is not only effective but also a great way to have higher and more stable rankings.

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Mike Anthony

12 years ago

Originally Posted by dp40oz

Spinning is not dead by any means and profile and blog comments still give link juice. I just ranked a low comp keyword with just them.

Spinning is dead as a content strategy in any serp where you have a half way knowledgable competitor. If you want to target traffic that no one else cares about then fine but its not search engine optimization its just you are in a serp that no one cares about or hasn't bothered reporting you in - yet.

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dp40oz

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Spinning is dead as a content strategy in any serp where you have a half way knowledgable competitor. If you want to target traffic that no one else cares about then fine but its not search engine optimization its just you are in a serp that no one cares about or hasn't bothered reporting you in - yet.

Yes Mike but the OP was talking about tiered link building. Spinning is very effective in link building still to this day. Anyone who ever tried or tries to rank spun content may just have their head up their a$$.

For me unique content on and touching the money site to ensure close to 100% index rates for first tier backlinks and to maintain quality of any link networks. Tier 2 blasting tier 1s with spun content.

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Mike Anthony

12 years ago

Originally Posted by dp40oz

For me unique content on and touching the money site to ensure close to 100% index rates for first tier backlinks and to maintain quality of any link networks. Tier 2 blasting tier 1s with spun content.

What for? If its tier 2 and I am just passing on juice I'll just post a link top or side column and keep my content clean, nice and sensible (I also don't have to change it much) . Besides which the most juice passed on by blasting is blog commenting. IF you are doing this without some non auto approved blogs then you are not maximizing the strategy. If I post all garbage spun content on that site I am only increasing the chances the blog owner deletes the links.

For all kinds of reasons spun content is inefficient and yes that applies to tier 2 so I still disagree or we are talking about two different things.

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dp40oz

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

What for? If its tier 2 and I am just passing on juice I'll just post a link top or side column and keep my content clean, nice and sensible (I also don't have to change it much) . Besides which the most juice passed on by blasting is blog commenting. IF you are doing this without some non auto approved blogs then you are not maximizing the strategy. If I post all garbage spun content on that site I am only increasing the chances the blog owner deletes the links.

For all kinds of reasons spun content is inefficient and yes that applies to tier 2 so I still disagree or we are talking about two different things.

Hey Mike I am confused. Right now my main 2nd tier consists of about 3000 web 2.0 blogs all networked together. So lets say I make 50 brand new unique content web 2.0's pointing to my money site. What I then do is blast those 50 new blogs with posts from the 3000 blog network. Now mind you I have many sites that I build tons of tier 1 links to. If I didn't spin the content and build links through spun posts on that 2nd tier i'd have about 500 links on the sidebar of those 3000 web 2.0's. Not sure how that would be better.

I'll also say there is a huge myth that spun content doesn't work. It works great. ALN was a testament to that. If Google didn't infiltrate ALN then spun content would have gone on ranking tons of sites to the top of the SERPs to this day. And thats using spun content as tier 1 links. My only issue with spun content is if the spin percentage isn't high enough your indexing rates drop off. Also I like to make my tier 1's look nice in case anybody decides to go snooping around.

Spun, unique, duplicate whatever, it all works to rank. Unique content just gives higher indexing rates and its easier to rank unique content. I understand you may "personally" be against spun content, but its just not true to say that it doesn't work when using it to build backlinks.

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Megafoo

12 years ago

Originally Posted by seamy82

Hi All,

Given the fact that spinning appears to be dead and blasting profile/blog comment links appears to be pointless, what is the point of building tier 2 links manually? If you are going to manually build a quality link is it not better to have that link pointing straight to your money site? I would love to hear some of your views on this, as I cannot really see the benefit but I have been wrong a lot in the past.

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Seamy

You are right on point, you shouldn't be manually building tier 2 links. ALL manual links should be pointed to your money site. Why? Two Reasons:

1. Link Dilution: Most Tier 1 properties have other backlinks that AREN'T pointing to your website. These links take away link juice from your tier 2 links, so you're money site link only get's a fraction of the link juice.

2. Tier 1 Risk: If you lose the Tier 1 property, you lose all the backlinks pointing to it. By building the links directly to your money site, the impact of losing tier 1 properties is lower.

I do have to disagree on "profile links/blog comments" being pointless, that's simply not the case. There's a reason why these are great for Tier 2 backlinks because the sheer volume almost guarantees that Google will take notice of your Tier 1 properties and there's no manual labor involved.

Oh and, profile links and blog comments can still be pointed directly at the money sites... there's no reason not to.

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dadamson

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Megafoo

1. Link Dilution: Most Tier 1 properties have other backlinks that AREN'T pointing to your website. These links take away link juice from your tier 2 links, so you're money site link only get's a fraction of the link juice.

2. Tier 1 Risk: If you lose the Tier 1 property, you lose all the backlinks pointing to it. By building the links directly to your money site, the impact of losing tier 1 properties is lower.

1. Build high quality tier 1 links and you won't have this problem.

2. Build high quality tier 1 links and you won't have this problem.

Tier 2 backlinks provide power to the tier 1 links and provide more benefit to your rankings.

It looks more natural to Google because your tier 1 links no longer look fake or unvisited.

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Megafoo

12 years ago

Originally Posted by dadamson

1. Build high quality tier 1 links and you won't have this problem.

2. Build high quality tier 1 links and you won't have this problem.

Tier 2 backlinks provide power to the tier 1 links and provide more benefit to your rankings.

It looks more natural to Google because your tier 1 links no longer look fake or unvisited.

Yes you will have a problem with link dilution with your tier 1 links... there's no exception to this rule. If you get a backlink on another website, you are going to be one of multiple links on that page. Every time you build backlinks to the page, you're backlink only received a fraction of the linkjuice. So manually building the tier 2 links is way less effective than sending the tier 2 links directly to your money site and using backlinking/indexing to get the tier 1 links noticed.

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dp40oz

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Megafoo

Yes you will have a problem with link dilution with your tier 1 links... there's no exception to this rule. If you get a backlink on another website, you are going to be one of multiple links on that page. Every time you build backlinks to the page, you're backlink only received a fraction of the linkjuice. So manually building the tier 2 links is way less effective than sending the tier 2 links directly to your money site and using backlinking/indexing to get the tier 1 links noticed.

Why are you posting tier 1 links on pages with lots of outbound links to begin with?

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Megafoo

12 years ago

Originally Posted by dp40oz

Why are you posting tier 1 links on pages with lots of outbound links to begin with?

What other options do you have? I'd love to hear them. Almost every website you can post a tier 1 backlink on is a website that you don't own. Therefore, You're never going to be the only backlink on the page. At the very least, there will be multiple internal backlinks on the page (think: navigation bars). I'd love for anyone to find a tier 1 backlink property with less than 4 other backlinks.. i'm sure the average have at least 10 other backlinks.

When you manually build a tier 2 backlink to a page with your tier 1 backlink and 4 other backlinks, your money site is receiving 20% of the link juice and the other 80% goes to the other backlinks. Why wouldn't you just send the tier 2 backlink directly to your money site and retain 100% of the link juice?

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jinx1221

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Megafoo

When you manually build a tier 2 backlink to a page with your tier 1 backlink and 4 other backlinks, your money site is receiving 20% of the link juice and the other 80% goes to the other backlinks. Why wouldn't you just send the tier 2 backlink directly to your money site and retain 100% of the link juice?

Mainly because you want to look inconspicuous to both Google and the web20 site you're posting on. Some pages should even contain no links at all. Some should have links only to other places beside your own. Some should have both a link to your site and an authority site, like Wikipedia, etc. Mix it up and dont concern yourself about juice.

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dp40oz 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Megafoo

Why wouldn't you just send the tier 2 backlink directly to your money site and retain 100% of the link juice?

Because of penalties and Google filters that prevent high quantities of direct backlinks from benefiting your site. First of all 10 outbound links on a page is nothing especially when you are including internal linking. For example lets say you make a 1st tier backlink on a PR 0 page coming from LiveJournal. Then you blast that with blog comments, profile links, more web 2.0's, article directories, pligg, bookmarks ect.. You can throw the kitchen sink at that page and get tons of juice from it without any negative filter hurting your money site. Im not even getting into the power of tiered linking when dealing with high PR links. Ive had 3 high PR links with quality 2nd tier linking push med competitive terms to top 5 with virtually no other link building.
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seenathkumar

12 years ago

Google changes it's algorithm many time in a year so you have to change you strategy accordingly, if you are not updated with algorithm then the chances of drop on search engine results is high, you have to take care while building back links if their is any low quality link linking to your website can penalize your website and lead to de-ranking of your website.

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Ashera

12 years ago

Of course its important to build Tier 2 to Tier 1, you're making your Tier 1's stronger - and those are the ones touching your money site, so why not?

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BigSleep

12 years ago

Be varied, create quality content. Use as many different sites and sources you can for your backlinks. I think it`s best when building links not to think to technically about it. Just try and be useful and natural in your actions. A lot of it does boil down to being useful.

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igl0w

12 years ago

if you build them in abandoned plaes that google wont find then u need tiers

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Is there really any point buidling tier 2 backlinks?

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