SpinnerChief Users. Can you really get many highly unique articles from one seed article?

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I've spent the entire day spinning an article trying to get about 10-15 out of it that are less than 60% similar. I've spun both by sentences and words and almost everything is marked up. Yet when I spin and calculate similarity, I can get nowhere near 10 unique articles. In fact, if I just delete the ones that are too similar, I end up every time with only two.

I could go through the similarity module and fix everything by hand, but with 15 or 20 each compared one to the other (1 to 2, 1 to 3, 11 to 15, etc. etc.), that could literally take a week working all day. That can't be how this is really done is it?

Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong? How can you get 15 spun articles from one seed article that are both readable (not automatically spun nonsense) and less than 60% similar from each other which is what SpinnerChief recommends?
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  • Profile picture of the author johnes4th
    Before I start, I know that a lot of people don't like spinning articles... the following is simply how I do it. It is a method that has worked for me for a long time and I will continue to do it until it no longer provides a positive ROI. It also still seems to be effective after the latest round of Google algorithm changes...

    I use a 10X10X5 method.

    Be warned, to make every version a high enough quality (9th grade reading level) that the average person wouldn't know that it has been spun, this process will take quite a while until you have built your own customized dictionary for SpinnerChief. (Now that I have fully (manually) modified my dictionary based upon my own writing style, my goal is complete one full spun article a day if I am doing all of it myself)

    Step 1. Write Your Article
    Step 2. Rewrite each paragraph 10 times
    Step 3. Rewrite each sentence, in each paragraph 10 times.
    Step 4. Rewrite each word/phrase in each sentence 5-10 times

    By rewrite, I mean adding proper spintax and manually rewriting each paragraph. Try to make the structure of each rewrite is different in terms of the number of words, sentences, sentence structure, and overall flow.

    The key is do all of this manually, so that no matter what pops out - it makes sense and doesn't read like a spun piece of garbage.

    Here is a quick breakdown of how long the seed article will be once it is completed. Let's assume that the original article is 500 words - broken down into 5 paragraphs with 5 sentences in each paragraph (ave. of 20 words per sentence).

    Step 2. Rewriting all 5 paragraphs (ave of 5 sentence per paragraph) 10 times - creates 250 new sentences + the original 25
    Step 3. Rewriting each sentence 10 times - creates a total of 2750 sentences
    Step 4. Rewriting each word/phrase 5 times (ave. of 20 words per sentence) - creates a max of 275,000 words (it could be much less if you only rewrite phrases instead of words)

    In terms of word-count, this is like writing 550 different articles... The difference is that once you get the process down, it takes much less time. Plus, you can outsource paragraph level and sentence level rewriting very inexpensively and then add the spintax and phrase/word level variations yourself. I highly recommend that you always do the word level spinning yourself to ensure that every version will be readable.

    ***Important Note:This isn't a technique that will provide a good ROI of your time if you don't have enough places to leverage hundreds of different variations.
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  • Profile picture of the author nicktyler
    WOW I bet that doesn't take a long time!

    How can something so time consuming give a good ROI and how can you find that many variations to a single article if doing it manually and keeping it "unique" quality and readable.

    Sorry if this sounds sceptical but if I'm honest it is.
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    • Profile picture of the author johnes4th
      Originally Posted by nicktyler View Post

      WOW I bet that doesn't take a long time!
      Doing it all myself takes a full day. (Thank you Dragon Naturally Speaking)

      Originally Posted by nicktyler View Post

      How can something so time consuming give a good ROI and how can you find that many variations to a single article if doing it manually and keeping it "unique" quality and readable.
      You can cut the time way down by outsourcing the first few steps. Normally I write the original article (20 minutes or so). Then I outsource a rewrite to 10 different people and tell them that they only need to follow the topic of each paragraph, not the format. That way I get 10 variations for each paragraph that are structurally unique, while still on topic. Plus, each writer uses their own style which helps maintain a higher level of uniqueness later on in the process.

      Then I take the rewrites (and the original) and outsource sentence level rewriting. Essentially, I take all of the sentences out of paragraph form so that the writers focus solely on each sentence, rather than the entire paragraph. Excel makes tracking all of this pretty simple.

      Once all of that is done, I do the phrase/word level spinning myself to ensure that the quality is still high. Additionally, whenever I start a new niche, I build a customized dictionary to speed up the word-level spinning.

      All in all, I spend about 4-6 hours actually working on the article and spend $40-$75. With good seed articles, I can get around 450 quality articles and a bad seed article will still get about 200.

      Plus, I will always error on the side of including less variations on the word/phrase level to ensure that the final product is readable.

      Originally Posted by nicktyler View Post

      Sorry if this sounds sceptical but if I'm honest it is.
      Considering how many articles I can get from this process, the ROI is pretty solid. Let's say a max of $75 and 6 hours of my time for 500 articles - not too shabby. It is way more than I would get doing all of it one article at a time.

      Plus, most newspapers are only written at a 9th or 10th grade reading level - so it's not like a need to write a pulitzer-worthy article in order for most people to find it readable.

      Don't get me wrong. I don't use these articles for my money sites or even my tier one sites. These are the articles which go to auto-approve directories, tier 2 web 2.0 sites, and as blog posts in forums/discussion boards.
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      • Profile picture of the author Andylinks
        I have always been skeptical of claims by people that they spin articles to 10 or more unique copies. Reading this method just enhances my belief.
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        • Profile picture of the author johnes4th
          Originally Posted by Andylinks View Post

          I have always been skeptical of claims by people that they spin articles to 10 or more unique copies. Reading this method just enhances my belief.
          Fair enough. Builder154 simply asked how other people did it. I gave a step-by-step approach that works for me. Like I said before, some people are ardently opposed to spinning articles and that's fine.

          If you don't buy into the overall value or concept of article spinning - then I get where your coming from and we can agree to disagree.

          If you don't think that it is physically possible -then I don't know what else to say.
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  • Profile picture of the author Builder154
    That is a pretty in depth process. But for me this isn't that helpful. All I want is maybe 10-12 spun articles from one seed. Rewriting each paragraph and sentence 10 times obviously would defeat the whole purpose.

    It seems to me that taking one seed article and spinning it to around 10 or 12 is as basic a spinning task as it gets. So I'm surprised that I can't get it to give me 10-12 articles that are highly unique. I feel like I must be doing something wrong.

    Isn't anyone using SpinnerChief to do what I'm trying to do?
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    • Profile picture of the author johnes4th
      If you only want 10 or 12 versions of the original article, then it might be easier to just rewrite them. The amount of time needed would likely be comparable, plus you know that they would be unique. If you don't want to rewrite them yourself, then you can outsource the rewriting very inexpensively - normally a buck or two an article.
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      • Profile picture of the author Builder154
        Originally Posted by johnes4th View Post

        If you only want 10 or 12 versions of the original article, then it might be easier to just rewrite them. The amount of time needed would likely be comparable, plus you know that they would be unique. If you don't want to rewrite them yourself, then you can outsource the rewriting very inexpensively - normally a buck or two an article.
        I'm pretty confused by all this. I thought spinning one article to 10 or 12 was very basic for a spinning program like SpinnerChief. And I've seen several people whose process says at some point to write an article and then spin it to 10 or so and that's how they do it. The only thing hanging me up is that for some reason when I do it, I only get a few that are less than 60% similar.

        Am I doing something wrong with the spintax? I don't get it. Surely I don't have to rewrite 10-12 of these by hand every time around. The whole point of spinning software is to save me that time no?
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  • Profile picture of the author johnes4th
    If you want, you can send me one of your seed articles and I will take a look at it and see if I can help out.

    Without knowing what your seed article looks like, I can't really point to a specific problem.

    There are a handful of really good tutorials specific to Spinner Chief that can be found at the top of their forum (SpinnerChief Video Tutorials).

    Maybe those could get you going in the right direction.
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by johnes4th View Post

      If you want, you can send me one of your seed articles and I will take a look at it and see if I can help out.

      Without knowing what your seed article looks like, I can't really point to a specific problem.

      There are a handful of really good tutorials specific to Spinner Chief that can be found at the top of their forum (SpinnerChief Video Tutorials).

      Maybe those could get you going in the right direction.
      Thanks. I watched all those videos. I understand pretty much how the program works. I just for some reason apparently am not doing the spintax good enough to get 10-12 that unique. Or is it that that's just too many? I don't know.

      I was hoping some SpinnerChief users could tell me if that's basic and relatively typical to spin 1 in to 10 or 12 that are < 60% similar as I thought it was. Or am I wrong and that's very difficult to do?
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  • Profile picture of the author johnes4th
    If you are using the software correctly, then I guess my next question is how are you determining the uniqueness level. Most uniqueness checkers will check for one or all of the following: words, phrases (2-5 words), or sentences.

    As a general rule, I have heard that in order to pass copyscape (comparing your seed article to your new one), you will need to spin at least every 3rd word - assuming zero sentence rewriting.

    Again, I can't really tell you what you could be doing wrong without an example of what you are doing. Without a real example of the problem, I think that I have offered all of the advice that I can give.
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by johnes4th View Post

      If you are using the software correctly, then I guess my next question is how are you determining the uniqueness level. Most uniqueness checkers will check for one or all of the following: words, phrases (2-5 words), or sentences.

      As a general rule, I have heard that in order to pass copyscape (comparing your seed article to your new one), you will need to spin at least every 3rd word - assuming zero sentence rewriting.

      Again, I can't really tell you what you could be doing wrong without an example of what you are doing. Without a real example of the problem, I think that I have offered all of the advice that I can give.
      Spinnerchief has a built in module that checks the similarity of versions spun at the same time against each other. It uses the same settings as copyscape, making sure there are not 4 same words in a row.

      I hoped there would be more people on this forum that use Spinnerchief regularly who could help.
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