Attention Adwords Experts.. Is This A Good Google Adwords PPC Click Through Rate Score...

by revjoe
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Hello,

Is a 3.60% Click Through with about a thousands immpressions
good for Google Adwords?

My best keyword is getting 8.45% with 142 impressions.

Thanks,

I hope you can help!


RevJoe:-)
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  • Profile picture of the author Leo Wadsworth
    3.6% is a fine score. An area where people disagree is how hard you should try for the #1 ad slot. In my experience, in that spot you get a lot of lower-quality clicks by folks that just click the first item, and don't necessarily buy anything. By targeting the 3rd through 5th slot, you get fewer clicks, but a much better set of buyers. The nice thing is that you are paying less for those clicks as well!

    In any case, you should never be satisfied with any number. Always run 2 ads at the same time, competing them against each other. Once you get over 30 or so clicks, you should be able to see which one is working better. Pause the lower performer, and put up a new challenger ad. That way you can continually inch your way up higher and higher.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lucid
    The actual CTR number is irrelevant and meaningless. What is important is QS. It is really a comparative measure of your CTR compared to competitors for your keyword. The baseline QS is 5 so anything below means your CTR is not as good as your competitors, regardless of position as QS accounts for that. Above 5, and especially 7 and above, your CTR is better than them. That's the number you should be looking at, not straight CTR which varies by position and keyword. You can have a QS of 10 in first position with an actual CTR of 1% while another keyword is a 5 with a CTR of 8%. It's all relative.
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    • Profile picture of the author Leo Wadsworth
      Originally Posted by Lucid View Post

      The actual CTR number is irrelevant and meaningless. What is important is QS. It is really a comparative measure of your CTR compared to competitors for your keyword. The baseline QS is 5 so anything below means your CTR is not as good as your competitors, regardless of position as QS accounts for that. Above 5, and especially 7 and above, your CTR is better than them. That's the number you should be looking at, not straight CTR which varies by position and keyword. You can have a QS of 10 in first position with an actual CTR of 1% while another keyword is a 5 with a CTR of 8%. It's all relative.
      Interesting. I pretty much ignore QS -- although I often hit 7. It is an interesting measure of how relevant Google sees my site compared to the advertisement, and can make it cheaper or more expensive to get to the ad slot I want -- but other than that, what good is it? I have had sites which were converting well rank low, and sites with no conversions ranking high.

      The REAL thing to track is profit per customer, including product costs, hosting costs, and AdWords costs. If I spend $100., how many customers do I get? How much profit do I make off of a $100. AdWords buy? In that sense, understanding the path that each paying customer takes, and optimizing that path is the way to go. This may mean tweaks to the ad, or to the landing page, or to the keywords, etc. I keep testing and tweaking everything for greatest effect.

      Typically, a higher CTR means a better match between the keyword and the ad -- but if I lose them on the site, then those are worthless clicks. If I include how much those clicks buy compared to the cost, I am dealing with real business issues.
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  • Profile picture of the author revjoe
    Well there are so many options with adwords now Google has been changing things which some of the stuff I find interesting. They have an experiment feature now which I do not get unless I were to experiment with it.
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  • Profile picture of the author kochtgr
    Originally Posted by revjoe View Post

    Hello,

    Is a 3.60% Click Through with about a thousands immpressions
    good for Google Adwords?

    My best keyword is getting 8.45% with 142 impressions.

    Thanks,

    I hope you can help!


    RevJoe:-)
    Yes it's a pretty good CTR keep doing whatever you are doing!
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    • Profile picture of the author revjoe
      Originally Posted by kochtgr View Post

      Yes it's a pretty good CTR keep doing whatever you are doing!
      Thanks but I did have to pay for it:-) This was where one of my sites were
      I think it has to have to a lot to do with the keywords in the domain and the content of the site in general along with the ad. This was an experiment on my part. Honestly I did lose money I did not get an ROI but I gained a really good adwords lesson with this, personally. I do believe adwords is still workable as well. I was getting one cent clicks a few months ago but the adwords team does not approve that anymore, Facebook continues to disapprove my weight loss ads as well, which is fine, because I am going another rout now:-) I was little confused with the comments above but I do think its a healthly debate. Advertising is what keeps these sites alive that is Google, Facebook Etc.

      Look what niche I am in!

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  • Profile picture of the author nvs74191
    Adwords themselves consider anything more than 1% a good CTR.
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  • Profile picture of the author StewieG
    Originally Posted by revjoe View Post

    Hello,

    Is a 3.60% Click Through with about a thousands immpressions
    good for Google Adwords?

    My best keyword is getting 8.45% with 142 impressions.

    Thanks,

    I hope you can help!


    RevJoe:-)

    Hi Joe,

    3.60% is awesome and should have your quality score around 7+ in no time depending on a few other factors.
    It should be known that if this is a competitive keyword, quality score will not help for long..

    Big money always wins out in adwords in the long run.

    Hold that 3.6 ctr as long as you can by writing great ads and testing, testing, testing.

    Always remember the huge scam that adwords is once quality score was implemented.

    "Its no longer an auction, it's based on forcing bidders to pay more more more.."

    Think of it this way, and its the best scam ever.. =)

    Once your CTR starts to drop because your not paying enough, your quality score will start to plummet...

    This will eventually result in the dreaded message: "Keyword Rarely Shown Due To Low Quality Score"

    Spend xxx amount to reactivate....

    If you have been with adwords since the start you will soon realize CTR tied to quality score
    is almost criminal behavior on the part of G.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lucid
    People still have the wrong ideas about Adwords and PPC in general, despite my trying to educate people the last few years.

    Originally Posted by Leo Wadsworth View Post

    interesting measure of how relevant Google sees my site compared to the advertisement
    That's the first misunderstanding. QS is not a measure of how relevant an ad is to the site it links to. Like I said in earlier post, it's a measure of how well your ad is doing relative to other ads. For the same keyword at that position.

    There is the keyword relevancy portion of the QS. But that basically means that if you use the keyword "widget", you better be selling widgets on that page, otherwise you are not relevant.

    It has nothing to do with how well your site converts. The search engine's job is to provide the best and most relevant results - organic and ads - for the search term used. That's their job and if you have great ads that do that, they are happy. If the page doesn't convert, that's another matter and not something the search engines can control or even care about.


    Originally Posted by Leo Wadsworth View Post

    The REAL thing to track is profit per customer
    Obviously and totally agree. From the site owner's point of view, not the search engine.


    Originally Posted by nvs74191 View Post

    Adwords themselves consider anything more than 1% a good CTR.
    No. As I am trying to explain, a good CTR is one that gives you a QS of 7 or more. A so-so one is where the QS is 4 to 6 and a poor CTR is one that results in a QS below three.


    Originally Posted by StewieG View Post

    3.60% is awesome and should have your quality score around 7+ in no time
    Again, not necessarily. First, click rate is heavily influenced by position. We don't know that position. The OP did not even tell us his QS. Quoting any CTR number means nothing and is not an indication of the QS you will have.

    A 3.6% CTR is awesome only if the resulting QS is 10. It may actually be poor if his QS is 3 which would mean that competitors have on average much better ads (read better click rates).


    Originally Posted by StewieG View Post

    Big money always wins out in adwords in the long run.
    No again.

    By the way, before they implemented quality score, the measure was click rate. QS simply added a few other factors. In fact, I can't think of a PPC service that doesn't use their version of QS.

    Bidders are not forced to pay more. Only those with poor QS and who don't understand it - those with the same ad all the time and not testing others - have to bid higher and pay more if they want to achieve a certain goal. Those who test and get their QS higher actually see their cost go down.


    Originally Posted by StewieG View Post

    If you have been with adwords since the start you will soon realize CTR tied to quality score
    is almost criminal behavior on the part of G.
    Maybe you'd care to explain.

    Actually, it's a great way to measure quality. The only way. If more people click an ad rather than another, it is seen as having higher quality. Makes sense, no? Give me another metric that would do the same. Quality also has to be compared to something. You can't assign a quality value to something that exists in a vacuum. If I build something unique, I could say it has the highest quality of this type of product anywhere in the world. But that's not saying much since it exists nowhere else. Someone else could come along and build a better one. Only then could you compare and say one is of better quality than the other.

    Google has made it clear they want quality and will reward quality. It's just a matter of advertisers understanding how quality is measured.
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    • Profile picture of the author Leo Wadsworth
      Originally Posted by Lucid View Post

      That's the first misunderstanding. QS is not a measure of how relevant an ad is to the site it links to. Like I said in earlier post, it's a measure of how well your ad is doing relative to other ads. For the same keyword at that position.
      Ummm, no. From Quality Score - AdWords Help :
      How we calculate Quality Score

      Every time someone does a search that triggers your ad, we calculate a Quality Score. To calculate this Quality Score, we look at a number of different things related to your account, like the following:

      Your keyword's past clickthrough rate (CTR): How often that keyword led to clicks on your ad

      Your display URL's past CTR: How often you received clicks with your display URL

      Your account history: The overall CTR of all the ads and keywords in your account

      The quality of your landing page: How relevant, transparent, and easy-to-navigate your page is

      Your keyword/ad relevance: How relevant your keyword is to your ads

      Your keyword/search relevance: How relevant your keyword is to what a customer searches for

      Geographic performance: How successful your account has been in the regions you're targeting

      Your ad's performance on a site: How well your ad's been doing on this and similar sites (if you're targeting the Display Network)
      There's nothing at all in there about you versus other ads.

      The bottom line is $.
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    • Profile picture of the author revjoe
      Originally Posted by Lucid View Post

      People still have the wrong ideas about Adwords and PPC in general, despite my trying to educate people the last few years.



      That's the first misunderstanding. QS is not a measure of how relevant an ad is to the site it links to. Like I said in earlier post, it's a measure of how well your ad is doing relative to other ads. For the same keyword at that position.

      There is the keyword relevancy portion of the QS. But that basically means that if you use the keyword "widget", you better be selling widgets on that page, otherwise you are not relevant.

      It has nothing to do with how well your site converts. The search engine's job is to provide the best and most relevant results - organic and ads - for the search term used. That's their job and if you have great ads that do that, they are happy. If the page doesn't convert, that's another matter and not something the search engines can control or even care about.




      Obviously and totally agree. From the site owner's point of view, not the search engine.




      No. As I am trying to explain, a good CTR is one that gives you a QS of 7 or more. A so-so one is where the QS is 4 to 6 and a poor CTR is one that results in a QS below three.




      Again, not necessarily. First, click rate is heavily influenced by position. We don't know that position. The OP did not even tell us his QS. Quoting any CTR number means nothing and is not an indication of the QS you will have.

      A 3.6% CTR is awesome only if the resulting QS is 10. It may actually be poor if his QS is 3 which would mean that competitors have on average much better ads (read better click rates).




      No again.

      By the way, before they implemented quality score, the measure was click rate. QS simply added a few other factors. In fact, I can't think of a PPC service that doesn't use their version of QS.

      Bidders are not forced to pay more. Only those with poor QS and who don't understand it - those with the same ad all the time and not testing others - have to bid higher and pay more if they want to achieve a certain goal. Those who test and get their QS higher actually see their cost go down.




      Maybe you'd care to explain.

      Actually, it's a great way to measure quality. The only way. If more people click an ad rather than another, it is seen as having higher quality. Makes sense, no? Give me another metric that would do the same. Quality also has to be compared to something. You can't assign a quality value to something that exists in a vacuum. If I build something unique, I could say it has the highest quality of this type of product anywhere in the world. But that's not saying much since it exists nowhere else. Someone else could come along and build a better one. Only then could you compare and say one is of better quality than the other.

      Google has made it clear they want quality and will reward quality. It's just a matter of advertisers understanding how quality is measured.
      Good rebuttals, quality counts.
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