Google algo change today?

by aygabtu 527 replies
I am seeing massive drops on one of my sites across most terms. Is anyone else seeing big changes today?
#search engine optimization #algo #change #google #today
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  • Profile picture of the author momo3
    Yse I am too. It has just happened. I have lost a massive massive amount of rankings for my entire business. I am feeling borderline suicidal.
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    • Profile picture of the author Lyanna
      Originally Posted by momo3 View Post

      Yse I am too. It has just happened. I have lost a massive massive amount of rankings for my entire business. I am feeling borderline suicidal.
      Same. I feel really bad because I really worked hard and my sites are good quality.
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    • Profile picture of the author ketset
      Originally Posted by momo3 View Post

      Yse I am too. It has just happened. I have lost a massive massive amount of rankings for my entire business. I am feeling borderline suicidal.
      I agree, i mentioned in another post i had actually lost some sites altogether!? This is Google asserting their dominance in an era of no Competition - You must do what we say

      Where's a good rival when you need one!? What about Facebook becoming a Search Engine!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Thinking_man_too
    One of my best sites jut got hit today. So much for "Write good content" It was 100% niche focused. 100% custom content. Well written quality. No warnings from google and no explanation. Sites that are above it, a lot of them are crap.

    Oh well. Time to figure out what the new game is.
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  • Profile picture of the author esmein
    Same here. 100% unique, hand written. So much for trying to produce useful content. Google comes. Google judges. Google flips the table if it deems you unworthy.

    They have every right to do so, I can understand that. I'm just sick and tired of slaving on content 8-10 hours a day for beans to see it fall like that.

    Sometimes you just wonder if being straight-forward with your efforts pays off.
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    • Profile picture of the author athenistic
      Hold on to your hats, guys - this update smells really funny.

      I've lost all rankings to pages - they aren't even showing up at all, but I have a massive increase of rankings for tag and category pages.

      All that and I'm still on first page for my main keyword.

      Methinks this is another blip. Don't do anything rash - I wouldn't be surprised if it were sorted out by morning.
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      • Profile picture of the author aygabtu
        While some of my link building may have been very promotional, the site I was promoting was much better than the competition. The problem is it was very competitive niche and most sites have been around for 5-10+ years with 100's of thousands of back links, with some over a million!

        How do you compete with that if you are building one link at a time or hoping someone make a link back to you? There is no way those other sites got to where they are by having their backlinks done naturally!!!

        I am at a loss right now. I have slaved over this for months!!
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      • Profile picture of the author mrozlat
        Originally Posted by athenistic View Post

        Hold on to your hats, guys - this update smells really funny.

        I've lost all rankings to pages - they aren't even showing up at all, but I have a massive increase of rankings for tag and category pages.

        All that and I'm still on first page for my main keyword.

        Methinks this is another blip. Don't do anything rash - I wouldn't be surprised if it were sorted out by morning.
        what i do like is the fact is that one of my sites has a video embedded in the content, and now in the search listing the video shows up next to the listing... GOLD !! that site I haven't been maintaining yet it is still on page one and REALLY stands out in the search results !! will be pushing this to #1 for all keywords although i did notice that some of my rankings are no longer home page or deep link and category pages instead... weird!

        another site seems to have dropped off the radar... although i have just started link building for that again, so I'm guessing google dance.

        and another site is same as always... can't get higher than #3 lol
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    • Profile picture of the author saxenar
      Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

      "Reward High-Quality Sites"
      Ha Ha Ha.
      On one of the biggest keyword
      "Make Money Online" there is a blank wordpress page on the top 10 (#7 in USA). With ONLY 1 SINGLE WORD- Make.
      So the definition of 'High Quality site' is- It should be light weight, neat & clean (every empty thing can).
      Remove your all content, keep only in domain/sub domain/page name.
      & Title, off course- 'Make'
      P.S.- Latest this site is now #1 on above keyword.
      Follow New Rule ASAP.


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      • Profile picture of the author plsearch
        Originally Posted by saxenar View Post

        "Reward High-Quality Sites"
        Ha Ha Ha.
        On one of the biggest keyword
        "Make Money Online" there is a blank wordpress page on the top 10 (#7 in USA). With ONLY 1 SINGLE WORD- Make.
        So the definition of 'High Quality site' is- It should be light weight, neat & clean (every empty thing can).
        Remove your all content, keep only in domain/sub domain/page name.
        & Title, off course- 'Make'
        P.S.- Latest this site is now #1 on above keyword.
        Follow New Rule ASAP.



        Agreed, this update doesn't look for the better. One product in our niche is used by walmart and sold by amazon but is totally non relevant for almost every search. Up until yesterday the sites that ranked sold the other type of product that people were actually looking for. Now Google is just ranking the main manufacturer of said ****ty product, amazon, walmart, and some affiliate.

        Way to go Google, this update is ****!
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  • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
    ugh...So we are back to "make money online" returning an empty page on the first page of serps? Doesn't give me a warm and fuzzy.....
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    • Profile picture of the author kduncan773
      Lost all my page 1 rankings for the homepage due to the update. Though the interior pages are ranking still.

      I have noticed that my homepage rankings are swinging a lot, from 300 to 90 back to 200 - all within a couple of hours.

      This might be a glitch (hopefully).
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      • Profile picture of the author Architex
        Originally Posted by mrultra View Post

        Check out the results for viagra. Two compromised sites on page one, and the bottom two sites have nothing to do with viagra whatsoever. Page two is just as good. Page 3 gets even better, lol. The authority site viagra.com...nowhere to be found.
        OMFG what the hell is Google doing? #8 is for University of Kentucky and an evaluation page. I hope you do not need Viagra for your evaluation.
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        • Profile picture of the author aygabtu
          Originally Posted by Architex View Post

          OMFG what the hell is Google doing? #8 is for University of Kentucky and an evaluation page. I hope you do not need Viagra for your evaluation.
          I just looked at the Viagra results! OMG! Several compromised sites in the top 10? WTF?!?!?!
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  • Profile picture of the author wAvision
    same here ....lost ranking for most of the words i was ranking for...but as someone else mentioned am still on page 1 of google for main keyword....before today i was rank #1, this morning #2, noon #4 and now #7..........all other words i was on page 1 for are gone....on page like 9 for the one....ugh....

    you really think this is a blip?

    lost 90% of traffic to my site...wow

    any more info??
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    • Profile picture of the author Thinking_man_too
      Now it looks like almost all of my sites were hit. HARD

      A few of the sites NEVER had any link building done ZERO. they were 2 of my original sites that i built before I new about links and never bothered to afterwords as by then I new enough to realize that the niches were not very good.

      I am deleting all my google analytics and webmaster tracking as the only thing I can think of at this point is google hit all the sites I OWNED. Related them to eachother and devalued all of them.
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      • Profile picture of the author 1stpage
        I am seeing major changes on all of the keywords I am monitoring. From a first glance it appears that..

        * "fuzzy" relevance is turned up - almost like LSI although Google is getting the relationships wrong in *some* cases (not all) where as A is not the same as B but rather loosely related conceptually (at best) but in reality are apples and oranges.

        * Interior pages from established sites favored even when not particularly relevant (or "fuzzy" as above)

        * Homepages devalued or pushed down by interior pages on larger sites or have disappeared entirely

        * I have spotted some pages from 2001 - 2004 showing up out of nowhere for some terms (just plain odd)

        These are just my first impressions, I haven't yet looked in depth at backlinks to these pages or anything else. I do think something major is going on - I have not seen such a drastic change all at once in ages.

        Glitch? I certainly hope so for the users benefit because the results I'm looking at are lacking relevancy big time.
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      • Profile picture of the author Duncan
        I got ripped too;

        All I have been trying to do is what Google Asks,

        Unique content
        internal links to more helpful material
        external links to helpful stuff w/o affiliate links
        video,
        pics

        I had a bounce rate of under 1%, people stayed on my blog for nearly 4 minutes, and went to 3 or 4 different posts. Every comment was positive. Still got ripped.


        And slam
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        • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
          Originally Posted by Duncan View Post

          I got ripped too;

          All I have been trying to do is what Google Asks,

          Unique content
          internal links to more helpful material
          external links to helpful stuff w/o affiliate links
          video,
          pics

          I had a bounce rate of under 1%, people stayed on my blog for nearly 4 minutes, and went to 3 or 4 different posts. Every comment was positive. Still got ripped.


          And slam
          Can you show me a screen shot of that? I want to believe you, but a bounce rate of under 1% is virtually impossible.

          What was your backlinking like?
          Did you have adsense on your website?

          I have noticed a lot of sites being hit that had anything over 2.5% keyword density. I also noticed sites that have an h1 tag are doing well if they have 6-9 h2 tags following that with different keywords.
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          • Profile picture of the author realworld
            @iAmNameLess ... glad to hear somebody was not hit. Enjoy the moment as I did thinking all was well. I had a couple of top notch sites over the years and never had any issues until now. I simply thought it was another update to catch those who abuse the system - NOT.

            Google claims only 3% of results were impacted - seriously? I think something went wrong. If there were only a small handful of people with issues, maybe. The cream did not rise to top. Crappy old sites are at the top with owners that did nothing to get there.

            How does G know if a competitor did not intentionally black hat another site only to get them off the main page? G has become a big joke in the world of search engines.
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            • Profile picture of the author RazorElite
              If proper sites were replaced with proper sites this would be more understandable. However, in most cases established sites are replaced with really poor results. Sites that are outdated, have little content are hardly related to your search. I thought the whole point of a search engine was to serve what we're looking for.

              I've been comparing a lot of Bing and Google searches and Bing searches have been way more relevant in the majority of cases. This was never so. If Google doesn't make some changes I think users could start noticing this and Bing and Yahoo just might be able to take advantage. I know I've already switched over to Bing and will only switch back if I can reliably get good results from Google again.
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              • Profile picture of the author realworld
                Originally Posted by RazorElite View Post

                If Google doesn't make some changes I think users could start noticing this and Bing and Yahoo just might be able to take advantage. I know I've already switched over to Bing and will only switch back if I can reliably get good results from Google again.
                I fully agree. I have switched to Bing simply because of the results and have told countless people to do the same. I also feel a quick press release to the local news will help educate the everyday user.
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            • Profile picture of the author kthor
              Originally Posted by realworld View Post

              @iAmNameLess ... glad to hear somebody was not hit. Enjoy the moment as I did thinking all was well. I had a couple of top notch sites over the years and never had any issues until now. I simply thought it was another update to catch those who abuse the system - NOT.

              Google claims only 3% of results were impacted - seriously? I think something went wrong. If there were only a small handful of people with issues, maybe. The cream did not rise to top. Crappy old sites are at the top with owners that did nothing to get there.

              How does G know if a competitor did not intentionally black hat another site only to get them off the main page? G has become a big joke in the world of search engines.
              seems like the 3% all come from WF LOL - I feel like the Secret Service agency getting caught up on a big scandal
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          • Profile picture of the author HCRoyo
            [QUOTE=iAmNameLess;6136500]Can you show me a screen shot of that? I want to believe you, but a bounce rate of under 1% is virtually impossible.

            I have a site with 1.57% bounce rate, close to under 1% ! (Now it's gone, thanks to Penguin. People are lucky if they find it in the garbage results)
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        Originally Posted by Thinking_man_too View Post

        Now it looks like almost all of my sites were hit. HARD

        A few of the sites NEVER had any link building done ZERO. they were 2 of my original sites that i built before I new about links and never bothered to afterwords as by then I new enough to realize that the niches were not very good.

        I am deleting all my google analytics and webmaster tracking as the only thing I can think of at this point is google hit all the sites I OWNED. Related them to eachother and devalued all of them.
        I have all my sites on the same server and all listed in Analytics and one has been hit but others are getting better. I can't see that as a way for Google to smell something fishy and devalue all the sites on the account.
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  • Profile picture of the author paul nicholls
    ive not noticed any change to my sites. My newest adsense site which i built about a month ago continues to rise in the serps :-)

    i drastically try to improve my bounce rate and time on site on all of my new adsense sites now and it def helps in rankings

    paul
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    • Profile picture of the author TheAdsenseGuy
      Originally Posted by paul nicholls View Post

      ive not noticed any change to my sites. My newest adsense site which i built about a month ago continues to rise in the serps :-)

      i drastically try to improve my bounce rate and time on site on all of my new adsense sites now and it def helps in rankings

      paul

      Hey Paul,

      Can you tell us exactly what type of backlinking you were doing? Were you using spun content?
      Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author momo3
    I need people to tell me its just a glitch. I feel completely terrible. I personally feel if G does not roll some of this back, that this may effect the economy. I'd say its the biggest change G has ever done.
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    • Profile picture of the author aygabtu
      Originally Posted by momo3 View Post

      I need people to tell me its just a glitch. I feel completely terrible. I personally feel if G does not roll some of this back, that this may effect the economy. I'd say its the biggest change G has ever done.
      I agree, this really really sucks! I've been using google adwords since the site was launched, spending around $750 per month to drive traffic to the site. This was losing me money every month up until this month, which I was on track to turn a small profit. All that money wasted?!?!?!

      Come on google! Get rid of the crap sites, but don't trash the good sites trying to promote themselves against long standing fierce competition!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Franksol
    Is it confirmed that G has rolled a new update? Does this has anything to do with the recent killing of blog networks and penalizing sites?
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  • Profile picture of the author TheAdsenseGuy
    Yup. All my 10 adsense authority sites got wacked. Had many page 1 rankings on each website. They are now between page 5 and nowhere.

    There are some individual pages that are still ranked on the bottom of page 1 and 2. And hey what a surprise. I never did any backlinks to them using spun content. All the other pages I was using spun content for backlinks for the past year or so.

    So thats probably what nuked my sites. Anyone else see that same pattern?
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    • Profile picture of the author aygabtu
      Originally Posted by TheAdsenseGuy View Post

      Yup. All my 10 adsense authority sites got wacked. Had many page 1 rankings on each website. They are now between page 5 and nowhere.

      There are some individual pages that are still ranked on the bottom of page 1 and 2. And hey what a surprise. I never did any backlinks to them using spun content. All the other pages I was using spun content for backlinks for the past year or so.

      So thats probably what nuked my sites. Anyone else see that same pattern?
      Maybe they aren't finished with me yet, but I still have a couple keywords not impacted or only dropped a few spots, but I used the same SEO techniques with all my keywords. Not sure why 90% of my keywords aren't even ranked anymore but some are(a very small number) are still in the top 10.
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  • Profile picture of the author wAvision
    yeah this is bizarre...something seems wrong here....right?
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  • Profile picture of the author TheProgrammer
    i checked 10minuts ago, no change with my sites serp. same as before.
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    I'm thoroughly sick of Google.
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    • Profile picture of the author aygabtu
      Originally Posted by RyanHogan View Post

      I'm thoroughly sick of Google.

      I agree! They have all the data they should need with google analytics installed, plus cookies every where tracking our every move. Can't they tell from all that data what sites give the best user experience? So what if we promote our sites through tools and other automated methods that may costs us money. How the hell is that any different that Coke spending money to promote themselves to your kids with ads on kid channels or even us paying google to post our links through adwords?!?!

      This is BS!
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      • Profile picture of the author habibj
        Your right there is no difference. It is a bunch of bunk. Screwoogle treats us like employees... They are not on my top places to work that is for sure. We need an alternative.
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        • Profile picture of the author habibj
          Just saw a headline that Facebook is set to buy BING. Has anyone seen that? I still thing there needs to be another engine... These social SEO combinations are getting too big...
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  • Profile picture of the author wAvision
    im not sure what went on during the other algo roll outs because this is the first one that affected me....but does all this seem fishy?

    did this type of stuff happen during the other ones?
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  • Profile picture of the author tshay
    Very weird - My best Adsense site, went from page 1/1st place to second place and I have 17 pages of great content. Now number one spot for my keyword has one page, and it only has 10 links on the page, no content, only the keyword in the domain name and it's a .com where mine has the keyword in the domain name but a .org.

    Google is strange and I hope they will fix this.
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    • Profile picture of the author AprilCT
      Google's ranking changes are a total roller coaster. They do this all the time and change the game entirely.

      Are you getting any visitors from the other larger search engines? See if SEObook still has their Rank Checker tool available and working. It might not be a bad idea to also pay some attention to getting ranked on other SE's and not just Google alone.
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      • Profile picture of the author aygabtu
        Has anyone been hit on these algorithm change days and come back to the same or better position? How long did it take to bounce back?
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    • Profile picture of the author Architex
      Originally Posted by tshay View Post

      Very weird - My best Adsense site, went from page 1/1st place to second place and I have 17 pages of great content. Now number one spot for my keyword has one page, and it only has 10 links on the page, no content, only the keyword in the domain name and it's a .com where mine has the keyword in the domain name but a .org.

      Google is strange and I hope they will fix this.
      That is nothing. I have 1000's of pages of content, a PR 5 site, and 11 years old site and now I am nowhere to be found. I am glad I do not get the majority of my business off G. This is beyond ridiculous. I do not even rank for my companies name without the .com now and I was #1 earlier today and have been for years. My Facebook page ranks #4 though. Pretty LOL if you ask me. This will obviously have to be tweaked. The results are nowhere close to being helpful to the G user.
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      • Profile picture of the author wAvision
        Originally Posted by Architex View Post

        That is nothing. I have 1000's of pages of content, a PR 5 site, and 11 years old site and now I am nowhere to be found. I am glad I do not get the majority of my business off G. This is beyond ridiculous. I do not even rank for my companies name without the .com now and I was #1 earlier today and have been for years. My Facebook page ranks #4 though. Pretty LOL if you ask me. This will obviously have to be tweaked. The results are nowhere close to being helpful to the G user.
        this is my thinking....it cannot possibly stay like this can it?
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  • Profile picture of the author wAvision
    im not sure...but i am hoping to wake up tomorrow and be sitting pretty again....my rankings dropped yesterday evening....i got a solid 23 visitors today....sick
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    • Profile picture of the author aygabtu
      Originally Posted by wAvision View Post

      im not sure...but i am hoping to wake up tomorrow and be sitting pretty again....my rankings dropped yesterday evening....i got a solid 23 visitors today....sick

      Yep, it is definitely inconsistent. I used the same SEO process for all my keywords and most dropped, but I still have a #1 positioned keyword, and a small handful in the top 5 and 10. But most dropped 50+ positions or aren't even ranked anymore.

      Like I said, same site, different keywords going to different pages, but same on-page and off-page SEO technique.
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      • Profile picture of the author aygabtu
        On Monday, the last day for Webmaster tools updates, I got 200,000 impressions for the site that got hit! I can't imagine what I will see tomorrow because of this crap!
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  • Profile picture of the author coronaborcalis
    One of my website always got hit every time Panda comes but always back after couple of months and yes search engine is all about mystery and weirdness
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  • Profile picture of the author Ashera
    Every single one of my sites found a major boost in the SERPS today, and the ones already at #1 are still there. Look's like my manual labor and white hat tactics are paying off. I do feel sorry for all that were hit by this but it's a wakeup call that automated SEO tactics and junk backlinks are only a temporary solutions.
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    • Profile picture of the author wAvision
      Originally Posted by Ashera View Post

      Every single one of my sites found a major boost in the SERPS today, and the ones already at #1 are still there. Look's like my manual labor and white hat tactics are paying off. I do feel sorry for all that were hit by this but it's a wakeup call that automated SEO tactics and junk backlinks are only a temporary solutions.
      ive never used a single automation tool......as many others that got hit.......
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        Originally Posted by wAvision View Post

        ive never used a single automation tool......as many others that got hit.......
        What's your site all about? Is the primary purpose to make money or can you honestly look at it from a 3rd party point of view and say that it provides a ton of useful content to the viewer without over optimizing to "give Google" what it wants?
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    • Profile picture of the author Yimes
      Not everyone that got hit today used black hat or had bad content. I have a wide variety of sites ranging from sites about my interests to sites about my work. Most fared well with very little change up or down.

      One site did get hit hard and for me it is the one I would have least expected.

      The site is about a legal claim against an insurance company. I am a Lawyer by trade and I put this site together a couple years ago to help people make this specific type of claim without needing to hire an Attorney.

      The content is 100% original and it clearly explains the claim and how to make it successfully. It was sitting at #5 for the main keyword and in the top 12 for several others. It is somewhere around page seven or lower now for all keywords. The first page now has sites relevant to the topic, but they are all sites looking to sell the information I was giving out for free.

      I was not asking for anything in return and did not even have my name or telephone number of my Firm on the site. I know that the user looking for this information has lost a valuable resource. BTW, most of my Adsense sites and Amazon sites remain where they were.

      The reason I write this is that a fair number of posts here seem to insinuate that if you got hit it is because you were doing bad things and deserved it. If you believe this, then you should drink the Google Kool Aid because you obviously believe that Google is perfect and can do no wrong.

      The truth is, that this update, like the one rolled out and reversed last week (or whatever that was) has hit some legitimate sites and has made some search results look downright stupid.
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    12 years old authority site in my niche just got smacked. I feel sad for that guy because he worked really hard to produce quality content (What G! Gloat about all the time) and now he is nowhere to be found and guess what? My crappy .info domain with low quality content (it was a an experiment project) is ranking at #2. I think someone at G! is high on weeds. Last week they messed up with "Parked Domain" penalty and now this huge mess. Loving it! :d
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    Just remember, not every site thats hit will stay hit. Just like previous changes Google makes corrections and alterations to their initial algorithm to improve it.


    The shift to Google's algorithm is likely to affect, at least initially, some websites that aren't clearly violating its guidelines, according to a strategy paper for Web marketers released earlier this month by the search-engine marketing firm iProspect.

    "Based on experiences with Panda and virtually all large algorithm shifts, we do expect sites that don't appear to fit the description of the intended target to nevertheless be caught up in initial sweeps," the iProspect paper said. Panda was a significant change in Google's search algorithm, launched in February 2011, that also aimed to boost the rankings of high-quality sites.

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  • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
    So do we even know if this update is based on our onpage SEO or offpage SEO? Is it a particular type of site, content, backlink types, etc. that is being targetted?
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  • Profile picture of the author Chambers
    About 50 of my websites tanked, most of them I had linked with spun content to High PR blog networks...they were also almost all EMD
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    It looks like my sites went up with my competition falling off the map... seriously I'm so glad I dropped google in every sense. Ever since I dropped adsense and analytics my sites seem to stay more stable in the rankings.
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    Should we remove articles from the spun blog networks that point to our sites?
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  • Profile picture of the author momo3
    What is everyones thoughts in interlinking ON site content? I feel that if your site has any obvious on-site SEO action going on it might look fishy to G? But this is just kind of a spur of the moment thought I've had.. Like overlapping content and lots of intersite anchoring, etc.. ?
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      Originally Posted by momo3 View Post

      What is everyones thoughts in interlinking ON site content? I feel that if your site has any obvious on-site SEO action going on it might look fishy to G? But this is just kind of a spur of the moment thought I've had.. Like overlapping content and lots of intersite anchoring, etc.. ?
      I have wondered about this lately...

      Everyone and their mom is talking about Over optimization blah blah blah...yet I've yet to see anyone define exactly what that means?
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  • Profile picture of the author sannntiago
    Hello!

    I am a webmaster of Argentina. For here also suffered negative changes in the standings.

    Keyword Position 1 on google: currently not on google.

    It has happened with several sites.

    I hope this will not be here. I have hopes that Google will need to finish the update. I hope things improve.

    Greetings!
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    • Profile picture of the author evelyng
      I guess all we can do is speculate at this point. I've worked very hard for a year and a half on my site. All original content, all linked effectively (SEO'd but not overly SEO'd). I was finally ranking enough keywords to make a small amount of money but now, they are all gone. I lost a bunch at first, then G pinged off the rest one by one. I'm still hopeful they will come back, but have deleted analytics from my sites also because the three keywords that were getting the most clicks according to analytics were the first to get tossed. Hummm!

      Speculation of course, but there has to be more updates. I have a good site and what's in the top 10 right now are NOT good sites - and a few are not even related to the keywords.

      Sigh, I'm going to start looking for a J.O.B. now - so tired of working for nothing, seeing success for two months, then getting buried by some Algo update that doesn't make any sense. And no, I didn't do blackhat marketing, I have withstood all other updates so far, so it seems like I am doing something right!
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        • Profile picture of the author rinor81
          Originally Posted by Bongoshaq1 View Post

          Putting all Eggs in one basket is what causes something like this to create utter havoc. We moved away from Google dependence a year ago and we are doing fine. Have built up a list and presence in Social Media have reduced Google Traffic to 22 percent only. Yes that is only 22 percent. It is nice to have Google traffic but they are proving themselves unreliable, whimsical and capricious overlords of Internet.

          You can do the same. But you have not built that kind of business yet. Stop using Google Analytics and Free Tools they are sucking your data continuously as you become a Google fed robot and can only exist as a Google controlled wombat and suffer endlessly like today.
          Thanks for sharing and good luck!

          Care to share a little bit where most of your traffic is coming from and how you established your business?

          Thank you,
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  • Profile picture of the author majestic12
    This is bad news, I have many sites of all kinds and this is affecting all of them all.. I was up until 3am UK time going over this, many good sites have gone and we are left with spam and directory listings?

    One of my clients sites took a bad blow 100% white hat with plently of unique informative content.. dropped from 1st to 12... being a local site this is terrible news.. whats in its place... yell.com?

    I am praying this is an update with a "MASSIVE" glitch, google folk if you are reading this please fix this... this update if not changed will be a business killer, we have enough to worry about in these bad econimic times.

    Please roll back this change....
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    • Profile picture of the author jamhot
      Same here. I run a security site in the midlands uk which I rely on for new business. I,ve been promoting it with some spun articles recently with good results only to find that last night I no longer ranked until I hit 6th or 12th page. The sites I sat against had very poorly designed pages in comparison with hardly any content for them. The only thing they had going for them was domain age and optimised on page keywords. Other than that they loaded incredibly slowly and looked rough and unprofessional. I feel like I have wasted a huge amount of my effort over the past 2 years building the front end to my business only to be arse ****ed by some back links that google consider spam. This flies in the face of their supposed focus on quality sites. Having some spammy links to a great looking and quality site should not be a litmus test of it's value. Come on google, this is bad judgement. You are going to cause massive trouble for businesses. This is the last thing we need during crap economic times. I shall have to go use my skills emptying bins if this one sticks. I'm sure everyone feels the same here.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Heron
    Wow...

    This is perhaps the hardest off-site SEO hit yet. I've had massive ranking drops for many of my sites. Looks like SEO has really changed history today.

    Funny thing is many spammy sites are still ranking. I've had sites not part of any blog networks or blackhat backlinking totally thrown out of their #1 rankings.

    This algo change, combined with the nearly white background text of the top 3 results now being PPC (drastically reducing organic clickthrough rates) is a sign that SEO as we know it, is dead.

    I hope this was an error on Google's part and some massive corrections are put into play soon. This update has not helped people looking for information.
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    Google suck my ranking
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    • Profile picture of the author xrcv
      Originally Posted by redfeilds18 View Post

      I HAVE FOUND SOMETHING STRANGE TODAY! hahaha! Google has gone mad!
      check this keyword "make money online" on Google and click on the first link. you will see the blogspot site with no content! This Update is effecting Google itself

      make - this link should be on first page.

      What do you say guys????
      By now this site has like a hundred links from IM money make forums (relevant), because people like you link to it. There is not reason why this site shouldn't be number 1.
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    • Profile picture of the author 1byte
      Originally Posted by redfeilds18 View Post

      I HAVE FOUND SOMETHING STRANGE TODAY! hahaha! Google has gone mad!
      check this keyword "make money online" on Google and click on the first link. you will see the blogspot site with no content! This Update is effecting Google itself

      What do you say guys????
      I agree - Google seems to have lost its mind! How can a blogspot site with no content rank number one for a highly competitive term like "make money online?" Perhaps people linking to it today has helped it out, but how did it get there in the first place???

      I'm not one to get angry quickly, and post the usual "Google Sucks" comments when things like this happen, but I have never had such massive rankings loss across so many of my sites before. I'm mystified.

      So much for following so-called whitehat site building/SEO methods, using 100% unique content on all pages, avoiding over-optimization, etc., etc., etc...

      I'm just hoping that this change will soon be reversed, because it certainly does look like a huge mistake on G's part. If it doesn't change soon, I'll be back here posting my own "Google Sucks" comments.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dellco
        I am seeing really horrible results like book titles sold on Amazon being in the top 10. And some blackhat and totally spammy sites that went off the first page are now BACK.

        Yes, they have lost their mind. The guy pressing the button at Mountain View, I wonder what was going on in his mind.

        But if they were all rubbing their hands with glee at the thought of wiping out a lot of people, well.....I say Google totally deserves to crash and burn.
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    • Profile picture of the author agmantz
      Originally Posted by redfeilds18 View Post

      I HAVE FOUND SOMETHING STRANGE TODAY! hahaha! Google has gone mad!
      check this keyword "make money online" on Google and click on the first link. you will see the blogspot site with no content! This Update is effecting Google itself

      make - this link should be on first page.

      What do you say guys????
      Yes, In my search this is #1... Google is really weird in this update...
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      • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
        Originally Posted by agmantz View Post

        Yes, In my search this is #1... Google is really weird in this update...
        That site has been all over page 1 since yesterday when the algo hit. It started at #9 for me, then up to #3 late last night and now #1 for the "make money online" keyword.
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          Originally Posted by mrtrance View Post

          That site has been all over page 1 since yesterday when the algo hit. It started at #9 for me, then up to #3 late last night and now #1 for the "make money online" keyword.
          There's a thread on here somewhere from a few weeks ago where this site was already ranking #5 or somewhere like that on page one.

          It seems this latest update has just given it a nice shove upwards, or maybe knocked some higher ranked sites out of the way, not sure which.
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    • Profile picture of the author tylon
      before, if you sat at the SERP and clicked refresh... would the results change like they do? It's like they are randomized.

      i am not logged into gmail.
      i tried searching: 'make money online' and the gurucreation.com link changes from, "Real Ways..." to "Warning! Real Ways..." back and forth, but not always.
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  • Profile picture of the author 1byte
    I'm going to chime in here too...there is definitely something wrong with Google rankings today!

    My main site has sat at #1 for main keyword for over a year, and today it dropped to #33! Several of my other keywords that have ranked on page 1, have dropped completely off SERPs, nowhere to be found!

    What gets me is that several of my crappy YouTube videos are outranking my site for nearly every keyword that my website used to rank for! This is true for most of my other sites as well.

    All of my content is 100% original, written by me or guest writers, and I've never used spun or duplicate content on any of my sites.

    WHAT'S GOING ON HERE GOOGLE???
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    • Profile picture of the author 1byte
      Originally Posted by 1byte View Post

      My main site has sat at #1 for main keyword for over a year, and today it dropped to #33!
      Ha ha, just check my ranking for keyword mentioned above, and it has now dropped to #36! That's a drop of 3 places in the last 20 minutes.

      Of course, my super crappy YouTube videos are ranking above it for the same keyword! Just ridiculous!
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      • Profile picture of the author aygabtu
        I really don't know what to do here. Even if you follow the rules, you can still get nailed. They say they are doing it to get rid of low quality sites, please tell me what is low quality about my site:

        Metric conversion, Currency converter, GPA Calculator

        It has a better interface than the 10 year old sites out there, shows the direct and step by step dimensional analysis for each conversion, has a great search tool, allows you to save your favorites, automatically calculates between your chosen units and common units in the category, etc. I also think it has great on-page SEO.

        Please tell me what I am missing?
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        • Profile picture of the author tylon
          aygabtu,

          you spelled 30.48 wrong in your equation...
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        • Profile picture of the author 1byte
          Originally Posted by aygabtu View Post

          I really don't know what to do here. Even if you follow the rules, you can still get nailed. They say they are doing it to get rid of low quality sites, please tell me what is low quality about my site:

          Metric conversion, Currency converter, GPA Calculator
          Your site looks fine to me, but I'm not Google obviously, so my opinion doesn't count.

          I'm unfortunately in the same boat as you and apparently lots of others, and it's not a pleasant place to be. My sites have thrived during all of the Panda algo changes, and either rose or stayed the same in the rankings for the most part.

          And then I wake up this morning to this unwelcome surprise!

          We work our tails off to do everything Google (and the "experts") say we should do: keep it whitehat...keep it original...keep it focused on the visitors...keep it real...blah blah blah...and then we get rewarded with this!

          Not even sure where to start this morning. All of my efforts seem to be for naught.

          I think I'll go get a drink! (Just joking)
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          • Profile picture of the author jamhot
            Originally Posted by 1byte View Post

            Your site looks fine to me, but I'm not Google obviously, so my opinion doesn't count.

            I'm unfortunately in the same boat as you and apparently lots of others, and it's not a pleasant place to be.

            My sites have thrived during all of the Panda algo changes, and either rose or stayed the same in the rankings for the most part.

            And then I wake up this morning to this unwelcome surprise!

            We work our tails off to do everything Google (and the "experts") say we should do: keep it whitehat...keep it original...keep it focused on the visitors...keep it real...blah blah blah...and then we get rewarded with this!

            Not even sure where to start this morning. All of my efforts seem to be for naught.

            I think I'll go get a drink! (Just joking)
            Way ahead of you. Got no idea what to do or where to turn next. Decided to hit the bar and try and dig myself some research over a coffee. I really don't know if I should carry on back linking or to stop and wait. I certainly won't be receiving any phone calls today now that my area pages have been buried. I got more chance of winning the lottery at the minute. No point being in the office if I have become none existent to the world. I know I shouldn't have relied purely on google results for my income but it was the cheapest way of advertising at this time. Why pay for useless paper and magazine ads that delivered no roi when I knew everyone here looked for my service through the web. I wanted computer savvy customers because they were the guys who I made sales to. everything else was a waste of money. Jesus I hope they fix this. I'll have nothing :confused:
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  • Profile picture of the author Henri Lind
    90+ % of my adsense sites have lost their top 3 positions.

    Handful of my affiliate sites have gone up. The other have again lost their rankings...

    There are tons of article directories and web 2.0 pages now ranking in top 10...

    it seems seo is dead and there are so many bad thoughts floating around my head...
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    I lost Whole Page Rank of my keyword and today is the worst day.......
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    • Profile picture of the author aygabtu
      Sad thing is I am paying Google $800/month for adwords for the site the last 5 months that dropped and was going to make my first profit on it this month. Now the only way it will get traffic is to keep shelling out money to google for visitors!!

      Why is it ok to pay them to promote your site, but you can't do the same with others?

      Judge the site not the links!!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Heron
    Here's for the "Post 24th April Algo Update Support Club (P24AAUS). Kind of catchy?

    I'm not one to complain, but seriously, I'm still mystified that Google would walk on their own principles. I don't know where to begin...
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  • Profile picture of the author madcore
    Got hit too....All of my website gone...I never used any automated link building techniques...All white hat and manual labor...

    Some of those sites where 5 years old...all gone....

    A buisness generating thousands of dollars a month now reduced to nothing....Wow

    The onlt website still standing is my Ecommerce store, it is in fact stronger than ever...
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    • Profile picture of the author mosthost
      Originally Posted by madcore View Post

      Got hit too....All of my website gone...I never used any automated link building techniques...All white hat and manual labor...

      Some of those sites where 5 years old...all gone....

      A buisness generating thousands of dollars a month now reduced to nothing....Wow

      The onlt website still standing is my Ecommerce store, it is in fact stronger than ever...
      Don't get too depressed. This is only one day so far. For all you know the results could re-shuffle and you might gain your lost rankings back.

      Don't panic. It's too early.
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      • Profile picture of the author wAvision
        Originally Posted by mosthost View Post

        Don't get too depressed. This is only one day so far. For all you know the results could re-shuffle and you might gain your lost rankings back.

        Don't panic. It's too early.
        How long do these algo changes take to be completed? historically speaking?

        has "re-shuffling" happened with any other changes? such as site gone then come back at end of change? etc
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        • Profile picture of the author Zack5
          all my sites were affected - earnings & traffic completely tanked.

          i haven't seen anything like this before and i've been doing this since 2005.

          this is bad.

          i'm feeling suicidal.

          thank you matt cutts.
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          • Profile picture of the author 1byte
            Originally Posted by Zack5 View Post

            all my sites were affected - earnings & traffic completely tanked.

            i haven't seen anything like this before and i've been doing this since 2005.

            this is bad.

            i'm feeling suicidal.

            thank you matt cutts.
            To quote a famous U.S. president, "I feel your pain."

            I also have not had ranking drops like this before, and I have also been "doing this" since 2005. I don't get all of my traffic from Google, but unfortunately, I do get the majority from big G.

            Not even sure what to do right now, other than wait and see what happens. It just seems like too much of an anomaly to continue like this.
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            • Profile picture of the author Liam Hamer
              It's all very strange, and hopefully this craziness is just part of the process, rather than the end result.

              One of my sites has held the number 1 spot for its main keyword for about 4 months, and it is now fluctuating between positions 8, 9 and 10. What is funny though, is that a site I have in the same niche(and similar keywords) has rocketed up and is even ahead of that other site for some keywords. I kinda gave up on the second site a few months ago.

              With the first site I mentioned, I did a lot of link building in the beginning(press releases, RSS and directory submissions, articles, high PR blogroll links etc etc) but since around Christmas have had my link building done on autopilot with 2 private blog networks(ran by Warriors). I know one of them uses spun content, and the other puts links in pretty unrelated posts/articles. So if this is the reason why my site has had a little slap, I can't really complain too much because apparently this kind of link building is what Google is now targeting.

              Another site I have has a lot of(what I consider) quality content and relevant backlinks(blog comments on related blogs in the niche and the like) yet every few weeks since November has danced for a few weeks then came back. It used to hold the number 3 spot for its main(competitive) keyword, but now it isn't even in the top 100. Very strange.

              For now, I'm going to sit tight and see what happens - I don't think we've heard the end of this by any means.
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          • Profile picture of the author mosthost
            Originally Posted by Zack5 View Post

            all my sites were affected - earnings & traffic completely tanked.

            i haven't seen anything like this before and i've been doing this since 2005.

            this is bad.

            i'm feeling suicidal.

            thank you matt cutts.
            Do NOT kill yourself. It's only been a few hours!

            What happens if your websites come back and you're dead? Not a very pleasant thought is it
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          • Profile picture of the author Henri Lind
            Originally Posted by Zack5 View Post

            this is bad.

            i'm feeling suicidal.

            thank you matt cutts.
            same here. just hang in there til everything is cleared.
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  • Profile picture of the author somnia
    This google algo change effects only english sites? I have non english sites and I noticed drop in rankings today for many domains.
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  • Profile picture of the author cooler1
    This is exactly what's happened to me also. Keywords which were on page 1 are not even in the top 50 now.

    Traffic has dropped by around 50% yet there's still spammy blogger blogs, etc.. ranking high in the SERPs. What is going on?
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    This isnt good.

    All of my sites have been hit as well, and I implement strictly white hat techniques.

    What the ****?
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      Originally Posted by googlemac View Post

      Of course,it is called google dance,wait you will get results.
      Hey "googlemac" Thanks for sharing another one of your simplistic, uninformed comments! :p

      As reported on this thread and several others, many people including me have seen drastic drops in rankings for their sites, for no apparent reason. This seems to be much more than the common "google dance" which most of us here are well familiar with.
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  • Profile picture of the author plsearch
    Yea major changes on my sites too, some way up some way down. Yesterday we jumped up a ton and now we are gone for some, hold on to your hats, these next few days may be a roller coaster ride.
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  • Profile picture of the author HorseStall
    The article on google says the update will take a few days to implement could just be "dancing" I would let the results settle before you freak out too much.
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  • Profile picture of the author maggykurt
    time to change your criteria of preference,,,
    move to yahoo n bing
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  • Profile picture of the author daveshu
    Just out of interest....

    ....how many of you have been using backlink "filters" to protect your money sites.

    IE - You build links to site A, site B, site C, etc, and all of these point back to your "money site?"

    The specific example (payday loan) given by Google (can be found in Bing, it's been de-indexed in Google) has links on site 1, that are cloacked and point at site 2, I *believe* that site 2 was then eventually being pointed to site 3, the money site.

    This might be the footprint.
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      Originally Posted by daveshu View Post

      Just out of interest....

      ....how many of you have been using backlink "filters" to protect your money sites.

      IE - You build links to site A, site B, site C, etc, and all of these point back to your "money site?"

      The specific example (payday loan) given by Google (can be found in Bing, it's been de-indexed in Google) has links on site 1, that are cloacked and point at site 2, I *believe* that site 2 was then eventually being pointed to site 3, the money site.

      This might be the footprint.
      you try to say google still not so intelligent for link farms or spun content?
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        How did I say that?

        The example contained spun content, but that was an aside - it was the unusual linking patterns they were interested in. One of the sites linked to in that example was owned by a guy who has been no.1 in Google Uk for payday loans for well over 12 months.

        And that was with multiple different sites on different domains. New site on new domain goes live, and poof, within days it's no.1.

        The linking pattern he's been using has been hit, and that involved what appear to be very similar to backlink filters.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Christ. I feel sick, honestly.

    Every single one of my sites are gone, and I dont use link building services!

    Surely this wont stay like this, will it???

    Out of interest, is anyone seeing an improvement in their positioning or is everyone getting spanked?
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    • Profile picture of the author mosthost
      Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

      Christ. I feel sick, honestly.

      Every single one of my sites are gone, and I dont use link building services!

      Surely this wont stay like this, will it???

      Out of interest, is anyone seeing an improvement in their positioning or is everyone getting spanked?
      I have been building new websites with no backlinks and they're doing very well. So is my main blog.

      Really, though, just take it easy. As long as your sites aren't deindexed, there's a chance they'll return to their former glory.

      What do all of your website have in common?
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      • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
        Originally Posted by mosthost View Post

        What do all of your website have in common?
        Original high quality content :rolleyes:
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        • Profile picture of the author josephseeley
          Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

          Original high quality content :rolleyes:
          High quality content... ok. Original content... ok. Not building backlinks... ok. But all together stinks of over-optimization! Who else would do that other than someone trying to game the new algorithms?
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      • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
        Originally Posted by mosthost View Post

        I have been building new websites with no backlinks and they're doing very well. So is my main blog.

        Really, though, just take it easy. As long as your sites aren't deindexed, there's a chance they'll return to their former glory.

        What do all of your website have in common?
        All my sites that were hit were EMDs, used Clickbump's Adsese Theme, had about 10-15 unique articles on each site (each page of a site focused on 1 keyword, 500+ word articles, 1% kw density), sites are 3-4 years old, variety of backlinks and anchor texts.
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        • Profile picture of the author mosthost
          Originally Posted by mrtrance View Post

          All my sites that were hit were EMDs, used Clickbump's Adsese Theme, had about 10-15 unique articles on each site (each page of a site focused on 1 keyword, 500+ word articles, 1% kw density), sites are 3-4 years old, variety of backlinks and anchor texts.
          Many EMDs have dropped for sure. Matt Cutts warned about this in a video I happened to watch yesterday. He said they would probably turn down that factor.

          Now if they turned down the 'exact match domain bonus' at the same time devaluing backlinks, it would explain the drops you're seeing.

          I'm also suspicious that 'over optimization' means they're looking at the Trifecta of Title, H1, and anchor text.

          But really, considering that G has deindexed millions of websites in the past three months, the link graph has to look very strange compared to the traditional Google spamdex. Google has been looking the other way at this type of stuff for seven years.

          If I were you, I would probably tone down the on-page factors on a few pages. Then Tweet them out a bit, watch for them to get reindexed and see if the rankings improve.

          That would be an easy, non-drastic way to get a handle on things.
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          • Profile picture of the author Thinking_man_too
            That is something that all of my oites that got hit had. Bold Title tags h1-h3 with keywords in them, keyword in bold on the first and last sentence etc.

            I am going to rewrite one site today and see if rankings improve when i eliminate all the H1-h3 title tags etc.

            I know a lot of people say sit tite but I have plenty of tanked sites so experimenting with a few won't hurt.
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    • Profile picture of the author 1byte
      Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

      Christ. I feel sick, honestly.

      Every single one of my sites are gone, and I dont use link building services!

      Surely this wont stay like this, will it???

      Out of interest, is anyone seeing an improvement in their positioning or is everyone getting spanked?
      No positive change for any of my sites yet. Yeah, I'm feeling sick too...this really sucks!

      lots of people are seeing dramatic rankings drops on their sites. Check the link to this thread to see what people are saying about this algo change:

      Blogger: Official Google Webmaster Central Blog - Post a Comment
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      • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
        Originally Posted by 1byte View Post

        No positive change for any of my sites yet. Yeah, I'm feeling sick too...this really sucks!

        lots of people are seeing dramatic rankings drops on their sites. Check the link to this thread to see what people are saying about this algo change:

        Blogger: Official Google Webmaster Central Blog - Post a Comment
        Yeah ive got that blog post entry open on screen. Plenty of annoyed people.
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  • Profile picture of the author wAvision
    The only keyword i am still on page 1 for is my main KW (it is my static homepage/EMD),went from #1 to #6, which sadly brings me the least amount of traffic....all others KW i was on page 1 for and all other pages on my site..gone...im confused
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    • Profile picture of the author mbmehmet
      Ok, guys I thought I would share some insight. I was penalised 10+ months ago on my 2 main sites at the height of the whole panda thing. I assumed it was panda and couldn't possibly fathom how I could recover from an algo change as I truly believed my sites were of the highest quality. Anyway, 10+ months on I sent a reconsideration request 3 weeks ago after just changing themes on these sites and fixing some redirect issues. Minor fixes. Within 4 days I got a message telling me a manual penalty was revoked! All that time and it was a manual penalty lol.

      Anyway my point is this. These sites had been returned to partial rankings for the last few weeks and as of last night they have dropped for all terms. I had not done anything since they recovered, nothing at all, they are intact, as they were when manually reviewed.

      WTF is google thinking then with this latest algo update? I feel reasurred that the algo isn't complete yet, well I am hoping, and many sites will come back. It seems too drastic of a change and none of it makes sense. What is worrying is that eccomerce sites in my opinion seem to not be effected. Even the smallest of sales pages consisting of 10-15 pages of products have gained or stayed as they were. P.s My sites that were effected were review sites on weight loss products monetised by adsense and affiliate products.
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      • Profile picture of the author 1byte
        Originally Posted by mbmehmet View Post

        Anyway, 10+ months on I sent a reconsideration request 3 weeks ago after just chapoint is thisnging themes on these sites and fixing some redirect issues.
        Not sure what you mean by "chapoint is thisngig themes." Please clarify.
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        • Profile picture of the author mbmehmet
          Originally Posted by 1byte View Post

          Not sure what you mean by "chapoint is thisngig themes." Please clarify.
          Sorry, I am sent that through a touch screen phone :-( I basically just changed the themes for the sites and fixed some 301 issues.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Ive got a keyword here that went from pos 2 to pos 682
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    • Profile picture of the author GetSomeDollar
      It seems that my reputable, long-term E-commerce business has completely tanked (nowhere to be found for any terms) I had been ranking first page for 20+ terms for probably over a year.

      The funny thing is that I have a couple of blogs that I created many months ago that maybe have 1-2 articles, "extreme" on-page keyword optimization, and backlink blasts, and these sites have gained in the serp.


      My #1 Competitor that has nearly 10x as many backlinks as me, mostly pure spam (blog comments, profiles, edu, anchor text heavy) is still holding strong.



      Summary:
      Legitimate business with huge following/customer base tanks, crappy blogs with almost no content that I forgot about gained.


      I'm sure I can still get by based on the high percentage of loyal/regular customers I get but the business growth has been driven highly by organic traffic. This is not good and I really feel for people who have been affected to a greater degree than myself.
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    • Profile picture of the author slappytheking
      For what it's worth.....I only had 2 of my sites slapped out of 10 (all my sites are/were on the 1st page of Google for multiple kw). All of them get their links from the same service (I'm lazy..). The 2 sites that were slapped have anchor text links (and the anchors are crappy....I was in a hurry) on the home page that go to sub pages where the other 8 do not. This is the only difference I see between the sites.

      As I read the sentences on the 2 sites where anchors were placed, well, grammatically speaking, they are a bit off.

      ......and I wonder about the examples that G gave about spammy links for the update yesterday. It clearly shows anchors that are not grammatically correct ON THE SITE ITSELF.

      Anyway....my two cents....

      Slap (no punn intended)
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  • Profile picture of the author Demha
    Yes this happened to me too! I lose many ranks which i had from months!
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  • Profile picture of the author estz
    Google trying to find a way to push there own products like blogspot and also PPC?
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    • Profile picture of the author aygabtu
      Originally Posted by estz View Post

      Google trying to find a way to push there own products like blogspot and also PPC?
      I was making money for google! I was spending on adwords to bring people to my site and earning through adsense, which google took a big chunk of. It was a win-win for them!
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  • Profile picture of the author mattr2110
    This update makes no sense. I had one site that was on page 1 for 3 years, I created only a few backlinks probably 3 years ago to article directories. It had many articles ranked on page one which I created no backlinks to, they where also on page one for several years they are now all gone. I even had authority sites linking to my site because I did reviews of their software products and they linked to those reviews from their site. The site actually had very few backlinks 30 maybe and most of them done naturally. Doesn't make any sense.
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  • Profile picture of the author undernew
    Lol. This update is so random. Out of 3 Websites, 2 lost rankings and 1 is now ranking pretty good for many terms! oO
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Is anyone seeing IMPROVEMENTS????????
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      • Profile picture of the author The Artful Surfer
        Originally Posted by MikeWike View Post

        I have to admit that two of my adsense sites (pretty new ~1,5 months old) climbed today on SERPS. I'm pretty confused, because they are thin - 5 pages of articles and not much backlinking - all the backlinks are from spammy article submissions and wikis. They even got unnatural linking message week ago ,but they are still climbing

        However, two of my clickbank sites which was mainly done by manual backlinking are gone.. but they BOTH used Google Analytics which is very weird..
        This is what I mean........ My niches are now filled with ****e sites that are just spamfarms
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Im noticing a trend here. I would like to know if others are seeing this as well....

    Pages that are now ranked well include...

    1. Plenty of social widgets.
    2. Deeper pages (pages in the serps are much deeper onsite) eg somesite.com/category/something/keyword.html
    3. A lot of user comments. Plenty of articles with lots of comments.
    4. Categories (usually in the side menu)
    5. No ads
    6. Phone numbers and emails??? Weird (maybe thats just what Im seeing here)

    What about you guys?
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    • Profile picture of the author undernew
      Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

      Im noticing a trend here. I would like to know if others are seeing this as well....

      Pages that are now ranked well include...

      1. Plenty of social widgets.
      2. Deeper pages (pages in the serps are much deeper onsite) eg somesite.com/category/something/keyword.html
      3. A lot of user comments. Plenty of articles with lots of comments.
      4. Categories (usually in the side menu)
      5. No ads
      6. Phone numbers and emails??? Weird (maybe thats just what Im seeing here)

      What about you guys?
      OMG! This is so true! Some of them...

      Deeper Pages: In Germany now someone is ranking #1 for the term make money online with a url like that..

      daosdijo.com/topsites/1000/online/income/money/earn/online/internet/extraincome

      The website has categories on the side. But 0 content, Just some images and 20 outgoing links.
      What is wrong with google?
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    • Profile picture of the author Thinking_man_too
      One of my only sites not affected was a 5 month old site. Low backlink count but some high pr backlinks.
      It has no comments.
      No Likes or google plus one.
      does have some backlinks from social sites.
      No spinning of content.
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  • Profile picture of the author wAvision
    yep one of my squidoo lens moved up
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    • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
      Originally Posted by wAvision View Post

      yep one of my squidoo lens moved up
      Yeah Im seeing squidoo lenses here as well. One of them is ABSOLUTELY STUFFED WITH KEYWORDS.

      business license california web design,business license for graphic design florida,business of web design,business plans freelance web designer,design,graphic design,home business,how to promote web design business local,how to start a design business,how to start a web design business,how to start a webdesign business,how to start a website design business,how to start web design business,internet,make money online,online,start a web design business,start a website business,start web design business,starting a design business,starting a web design business,starting a web design company or business,starting web design company people,web,web design,web site creation,web site design,webdesign,webdesign business ideas,website,website design,what would you need to start a web design business,work at home,work from home
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    • Profile picture of the author Rollmodl
      Though I still believe SEO still works, I'm moving more towards "social engine" based marketing not search engines. Testing out the concept with my new site.
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  • Profile picture of the author oxnard111
    I too as many others have been hit this morning. By this time of day I usually have 200-300 unique views, and I have a total of 4 between my 10 best sites.

    I have CTR theme on 4 of those sites and those sites have definitely been hit.

    But I have also been hit on sites that don't use the CTR theme.

    With all the prime examples of total bull crap SERP results I too think this may just be temporary.

    lots of crappy search result examples here

    http://jlforums.com/search-engine-optimization/major-google-update-(april-24th)/
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  • Profile picture of the author mbmehmet
    LOL. All sites with google analytics and in webmaster tools dropped. Those using "Getclicky" haven't been touched. I don't think social signals have anything to do with it, my site has over 9000 Likes and many quality comments daily. If I am being honest it appears that backlinks made from spamming spun content out there may have a part in this, as these links show up in webmaster tools. Yes, you are gonna say if that the case then bla bla bla could do this, but only connection I could find. And no, I didn't make these links, I payed an SEO company to post unique articles to directories. I guess unique means it has to be truly UNIQUE lol. Where is the nearest bridge?
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    • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
      Originally Posted by mbmehmet View Post

      LOL. All sites with google analytics and in webmaster tools dropped. Those using "Getclicky" haven't been touched.
      Is this REALLY the case??????
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      • Profile picture of the author mbmehmet
        Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

        Is this REALLY the case??????
        Gods honest truth that is the only connecting factor. :-(
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  • Profile picture of the author wAvision
    my site uses getclicky.......but i also have analytics....
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  • Profile picture of the author perpetualdream
    I am monitoring some pretty competitive keywords in the web hosting industry, and all I can say that there is a huge shift in the positioning of many sites that used to rank very well.
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  • Profile picture of the author kristeena
    Just checkout the #1 site for the key word: Make Money Online (As on 25th April)
    One blank blogspot.com site at the top with no content or pages.
    Absolute quality site. Hahahahahahah!
    Has Google become insane?
    For almost all keywords YouTube & blogspot.com mostly on first page. Google is just wanting to make huge money!!!!!!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author majestic12
    Still seeing loads of good sites rank below spam, I do hope google is going to fix this. This has to be the worst update ever..... if it has not got a name I would call it...

    "The Reaper"
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  • Profile picture of the author daveshu
    LOL - search for "social networks" "social networking sites" etc - where's facebook?

    Search for "online auction" or "online auctions" - where's eBay?

    LOL they've either:

    a) really cocked this up majorly
    b) are deliberately sticking naff results up to try & catch bing with their trousers down (copying results)
    c) are rolling out a series of changes over a number of days, with us having to wait until the whole update is done to see the finshed article.
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    • Profile picture of the author Startraffic
      Originally Posted by daveshu View Post

      LOL - search for "social networks" "social networking sites" etc - where's facebook?

      Search for "online auction" or "online auctions" - where's eBay?

      LOL they've either:

      a) really cocked this up majorly
      b) are deliberately sticking naff results up to try & catch bing with their trousers down (copying results)
      c) are rolling out a series of changes over a number of days, with us having to wait until the whole update is done to see the finshed article.
      That is quite astounding, maybe mr Cutts has been offered more money by the other team? maybe this is his farewell gesture?
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  • Profile picture of the author Startraffic
    Yep "The reaper" just about sums it up, I hope the Google folk realize what they have done and fix it. I too have white hat sites which are taking a dive, I totally agree with dealing with link spam but this is ridiculous.

    How long until we start seeing the sale of link cannons aimed at competitor sites? this could be the start of an out and out war when the desperation kicks in.
    I say to Google .... With great power comes great responsibilty. "Please" think about the consequences of your algorithm change, there are hundreds of thousands of people who's incomes you are now taking away.
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  • Profile picture of the author The Artful Surfer
    Wow. This update is complete sh*t. I'm sorry but......what just happened!?
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  • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
    Pretty much the only site of mine that was not affected is my local SEO business website that targets keyword such as "city SEO" and "SEO city". I'm still ranking #1 for both of those terms and I used the same backlink techniques as my other adsense sites. So I'm thinking now that it might not have anything to do with backlinks, but onpage factors. Also my clients's sites were not affected at all either and those used the same backlink techniques as well. So I don't know what to think right now.
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  • Profile picture of the author neworleansseo
    I was starting to think there was a Google update today...
    least im know on my own for this one, Remember when building links - now use link diversity, and make it more natural.

    damn Google!
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  • Profile picture of the author The Artful Surfer
    Why would you target optimization of Title, H1 and anchor text, when 99.99% of people building websites have been optimizing that way? You're not going to separate wheat from chaff very well by doing that. I'm sorry but every legit webmaster uses that technique.
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    • Profile picture of the author mosthost
      Originally Posted by The Artful Surfer View Post

      Why would you target optimization of Title, H1 and anchor text, when 99.99% of people building websites have been optimizing that way? You're not going to separate wheat from chaff very well by doing that. I'm sorry but every legit webmaster uses that technique.
      So do all the illegitimate ones too.
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      • Profile picture of the author The Artful Surfer
        Originally Posted by mosthost View Post

        So do all the illegitimate ones too.

        That's why I'm saying....it's a POOR way to separate the wheat from the chaff.

        People building LEGITIMATE websites have been using that technique.
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        • Profile picture of the author mosthost
          Originally Posted by The Artful Surfer View Post

          That's why I'm saying....it's a POOR way to separate the wheat from the chaff.

          People building LEGITIMATE websites have been using that technique.
          Yeah, I get it. That's why you reduce it as an 'optimization' technique. It becomes less effective for everyone. As Google has proven before, they're happy to live with collateral damage. Of course it's only 1 out of 200 or more ranking signals they use anyway.

          I'm not sure this even happened. I was just suggesting that people who have had interior pages tank and use this combo to tone it down and see if their page comes back.

          I personally stopped using this technique a few years ago because I kept getting 'phrase-based penalties' when I went past the point. Now I use varied anchor text and image files for H1.

          Really, though, I don't think these Google updates are simple. There's a lot of complexity in their system and guesses are likely to be incomplete or inaccurate. Still, it IS time to experiment.
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  • Profile picture of the author papamo44
    So yesterday and last night I noticed huge rankings drops for my sites and clients sites across the board. Losing several hundred spots on many keywords. However I am seeing a big bounce back today for many sites and keywords jumping several hundred spots up. I think we need to give this a few days wait, for it to settle before coming to any real conclusions.
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  • Profile picture of the author Green Moon
    It looks like some of my websites were affected and some were not. Of those that were hit, in some cases a few keywords are still ranking while others have dropped off the search results entirely. This will obviously take some time to shake out.
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    Google gone Crazy, Really Super CRAZY!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author jonathanleger
    From a guy on my forum that says he used to work at Google:

    I've talked with a few guys I am still in contact with from 'G' and they are not very happy. It seems the algo is churning out erratic results and they are frantically trying to fix the problems... Expect another update very soon.
    For what it's worth.
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    • Profile picture of the author 1byte
      My 30+ sites with Adsense have made a grand total of 68 cents today! Maybe I'll crack a dollar in earnings before the day is done!
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      • Profile picture of the author wAvision
        Originally Posted by 1byte View Post

        My 30+ sites with Adsense have made a grand total of 68 cents today! Maybe I'll crack a dollar in earnings before the day is done!
        Oh yeah......well my site has had 8 visitors today...beat that.
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        • Profile picture of the author 1byte
          Originally Posted by wAvision View Post

          Oh yeah......well my site has had 8 visitors today...beat that.
          Three hours later...and I'm still sittting here with $0.68 for the day. My traffic is waaaay down from usual, and this looks like it will be my worst day in years for earnings. No traffic = No earnings. Pathetic!
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      • Profile picture of the author AlisonTaylor
        Originally Posted by 1byte View Post

        My 30+ sites with Adsense have made a grand total of 68 cents today! Maybe I'll crack a dollar in earnings before the day is done!

        What do they usually crack ?
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        • Profile picture of the author 1byte
          Originally Posted by AlisonTaylor View Post

          What do they usually crack ?
          I don't reveal earnings on my sites publicly (with the exception of today's paltry sum), but I can tell you it is many, many times the 68 cents I have made on Adsense today.

          Update 4:53 PST

          Wow, just checked Adsense earnings and I'm up to $1.26 today! Yippee, I think I'll celebrate...NOT!
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          • Profile picture of the author ian a birch
            Originally Posted by 1byte View Post

            I don't reveal earnings on my sites publicly (with the exception of today's paltry sum), but I can tell you it is many, many times the 68 cents I have made on Adsense today.

            Update 4:53 PST

            Wow, just checked Adsense earnings and I'm up to $1.26 today! Yippee, I think I'll celebrate...NOT!
            Does that mean your buying the beers..lol
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            • Profile picture of the author realworld
              Time to chime in ... I have been a long time viewer of the forum but a first time poster. All of my sites were demolished by the recent change, and I feel it is time to pick myself up and move in a different direction. I always felt a uneasy that G controlled my revenue. I tried my hardest over the years to maintain solid, meaningful sites. I used basic white hat techniques which included meta tags, a few personally written articles on ezine (which were painful to get approved), and active participation in a few well established forums. Like others on this thread, I was lost when I awoke to the devastation ... it was like a tornado intentionally hit G. Some of my key phrases are now returning ONLY .gov, .edu, and .org on the main page, and my sites have all slipped deep into the machine. I think we all agree that G slipped somewhere along the way.

              The sad part - G made a change that was not needed. If countless people reported poor results to G and it made the news, etc., I could see them refining the algo. In this case, the results were fine and no significant complaints were posted, so why did they do it? Many entrepreneurs have ventured to the web and busted a$$ to bring great sites/content to the world. I suspect this will stop and the net will be left with billy bobs bait shop (no offense to bait shop owners).

              Perhaps it is time for a new search engine. A search engine that reveals the algo and places everybody on the same playing field. I was always a big supporter of G and actively participated in their Engage program. Part of me wants to scream and part of me wants to thank them for the good ride. It is time to pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off, and consider a different direction.
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    • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
      Originally Posted by jonathanleger View Post

      From a guy on my forum that says he used to work at Google:



      For what it's worth.
      Hopefully this pans out and we get back to the old SERPs again soon.
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    • Profile picture of the author OneManSEO
      Originally Posted by jonathanleger View Post

      From a guy on my forum that says he used to work at Google:



      For what it's worth.
      A massive DUH on that one. Any idiot with a computer can tell that what Google thought was being rolled out is NOT what is in fact live and rolled out.

      I bet they revert back to the old algo and put this update back into testing mode for a re-take in May or June.

      I'm just glad none of our client websites have been negatively affected by this. Must be doing something right...
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  • Profile picture of the author zonkow
    What about your Alexa rankings?
    Mine has dropped over 100K.
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  • Profile picture of the author supaH
    My site went from #1 to #550, completely off google. Pretty pissed & depressed about this. Hopefully this gets corrected soon.

    Odd thing is, the sites that Ive been developing and are only around page 3 currently, didn't move at all in the serps
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  • Profile picture of the author jrafique
    This is damn serious....Read This..

    Here is the post that Matt Cutts has pointed out:

    profitmonarchs.com/get-fit-using-these-simple-and-easy-methods/

    Open this post and click on the first anchor text "pay day loan"....You will be redirected to

    checkintocash.com which is still ranking high on Google for "pay day loan" keyword.

    They must be laughing hard on google.
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    • Profile picture of the author OneManSEO
      Originally Posted by jrafique View Post

      This is damn serious....Read This..

      Here is the post that Matt Cutts has pointed out:

      profitmonarchs.com/get-fit-using-these-simple-and-easy-methods/

      Open this post and click on the first anchor text "pay day loan"....You will be redirected to

      checkintocash.com which is still ranking high on Google for "pay day loan" keyword.

      They must be laughing hard on google.

      Hahahaha. I'm laughing. I find it hilarious when multi-billion dollar companies embarrass themselves. Tough to laugh if the changes are making you lose money, but still.... HAHAHAHAHA
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  • Profile picture of the author Stevie C
    I'd say keep calm and carry on...there's nothing any of us can do at the moment to change anything because nobody has a clue what Google are up to.
    I had a site with around 50 keywords ranking on the 1st page of Google now all around the 300/400 mark, the 1st pages now have been replaced by you tube and daily motion videos and a couple of internal forum pages with a mention of the keyword and usually Amazon taking anywhere between 2 and 4 of the top places. All the sites that I was in competition with have been wiped as well!
    My crappy sniper sites that I built last year and have neglected are all ranking 1st page!
    Either Google haven't finished what they set out to achieve yet and the SERPS will reach some sort of equilibrium or they will have to revert back, if not they will be a laughing stock
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  • Profile picture of the author BabyGotBackLinks
    Everyone keeps saying stuff like "I have 100% unique content...my website is better than others that are now ranked higher!".

    I guarantee just about every single site that got hit used some sort of link building strategy. I think people have actually convinced themselves that it's ok to build links artificially when it clearly is NOT.
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    • Profile picture of the author 1byte
      Originally Posted by BabyGotBackLinks View Post

      Everyone keeps saying stuff like "I have 100% unique content...my website is better than others that are now ranked higher!".

      I guarantee just about every single site that got hit used some sort of link building strategy. I think people have actually convinced themselves that it's ok to build links artificially when it clearly is NOT.
      So, what do you propose there BabyGotBackLinks, a "build-it-and-they-will-come" strategy, where you do no link building of any kind, and expect people to just magically visit your site because it is so great? This seems to be a very naive and unrealistic expectation.

      Is it even possible not to "build links artificially," and expect to get any organic traffic? I say this because link building is nearly unavoidable these days if you spend any amount of effort trying to get traffic to your site.

      For example, if you have done any of the following things even once, then you are guilty of "building links artificially."

      1. Submit an article to EzineArticles or other article directories.
      2. Submit your site URL to a website directory
      3. Make a blog comment or guest post with a link back to your site
      4. Participate in any forum with a signature link.
      5. Make social media posts, such as Tweets, Facebook, LinkedIn, Pinterest etc., with a link back to your site
      6. Submit your site's RSS feed to aggregators
      7. Register on any site where you need to put in a website URL.
      8. Bookmarking
      9. Submit a press release about your site.
      10. Upload a video to Youtube with a URL in the description
      11. Upload a PDF (with just one URL link) to a document sharing site.

      All of these would be considered "building links artificially" as you are doing something other than putting content on your own site. According to you, all of these things would not be O.K.

      What is O.K, in your opinion?
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  • Profile picture of the author ian a birch
    Woke up this morning all happy and cheerful to find 2 of my sites have vanished from google?the were both ranked on page 1 and now they are gone.i have checked to make sure i have,nt been deindexed and i have,nt.im still on page 1 in yahoo and bing...If i had a cat i would kick it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shounak Gupte
    i have a site which was sitting on page 1 for over 400 days for over 10 highly searched keywords... today... its around page 20-30
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  • Profile picture of the author lossman29
    DAMN THIS ****. I lost rankings for all my major sites though some of my smaller sites went up. GOOGLE- THIS IS WAR NOW. I've basically lost tons of revenue on all my authority sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author majestic12
    A few people are now posting in the webmaster central blog about a poor guy who has commited suicide because of this, the chaps business was on the edge and this totally destroyed it overnight.

    Very sad indeed...

    This is hitting people harder than Google realize
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    • Profile picture of the author bcmwp
      There seems to be some weirdness with this update.

      For instance, I have a page, where I have a subpage on rentals. So, my main page is "keywords" and my subpage is "keywords rentals". What strange is that my page "keywords" page has dropped of the map, but "keywords rentals" is now on page 3 for "keywords". The "Keywords rentals" page is still #1 for "keywords rentals", so the whole site has definitely not been penalized.

      That's definitely wonky. Why is my subpage ranking for my keywords over my main page? Why has the main page vanished into oblivion, but the subpage is still flying high? Weird.
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    • Profile picture of the author mbmehmet
      Originally Posted by majestic12 View Post

      A few people are now posting in the webmaster central blog about a poor guy who has commited suicide because of this, the chaps business was on the edge and this totally destroyed it overnight.

      Very sad indeed...

      This is hitting people harder than Google realize
      Are you serious? Can you share a link please...
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  • Profile picture of the author footfoot
    Seems sites from years ago who done no seo are replacing the ones who have. Opens up possibilities to rank for seemingly impossible keywords.
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  • Profile picture of the author slongmore
    Hey look! It's Google's action plan for controlling the internet.

    Step 1 - Kill all SEO companies by devaluing any links from articles and blogs.
    Step 2 - Laugh hysterically as SEO companies lose clients due to drop in rankings.
    Step 3 - Encourage website owners to request reconsideration for their decline in rank.
    Step 4 - Decline the reconsideration request and point them to Adwords as a solution.
    Step 5 - Watch as site owners flock to Google adwords and pay loads of cash!
    (mwahahaha)

    Just sayin'. I'm one of those that's really taking a hit and I run a legitimate business. Guess I'll be laying off employees and finding a job if this doesn't turn around soon.
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  • Profile picture of the author icklepickle
    OMG I am so glad I'm not on my own. One of my sites has been link 1 or 2 page 1 for about 2 years for all my keywords. Today 2 dropped out totally and others have dropped over 50 places or so Gutted. All 100% unique content too, and all totally niche related.
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    • Profile picture of the author 1byte
      Originally Posted by icklepickle View Post

      OMG I am so glad I'm not on my own. One of my sites has been link 1 or 2 page 1 for about 2 years for all my keywords. Today 2 dropped out totally and others have dropped over 50 places or so Gutted. All 100% unique content too, and all totally niche related.
      You're definitely not alone, many people have experienced drastic ranking reductions today on their sites, including me. Been feeling kinda sick about this all day long...
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  • Profile picture of the author NoodlyDoodly
    I'm not suffering personally but in my niche there is a new-kid-on-the-block with sites that are 2% content and 98% in-your-face-SEO - they're ranking mighty well!
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  • Profile picture of the author owenlee
    okie...we need to change the strategy again...

    here we go again~arg
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  • Profile picture of the author jinx1221
    Everybody.. dont panic!! This change is basically going through all sites backlinks and discounting anything that is crapspun/nonrelated.. all sites then have to be reranked based on the final results. So in the meantime, a humongous 'google dance' is occurring.. kind of like taking a neatly stacked deck of playing cards, throwing said deck up in the air, going thru and taking out the 'jokers', and restacking the deck again. Your sites might even improve as a result.. stay tuned..
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    • Profile picture of the author NoodlyDoodly
      Originally Posted by jinx1221 View Post

      Everybody.. dont panic!! This change is basically going through all sites backlinks and discounting anything that is crapspun/nonrelated.. all sites then have to be reranked based on the final results. So in the meantime, a humongous 'google dance' is occurring.. kind of like taking a neatly stacked deck of playing cards, throwing said deck up in the air, going thru and taking out the 'jokers', and restacking the deck again. Your sites might even improve as a result.. stay tuned..
      Arright, I'll monitor this spam site as a thermometer of crap in the SERPS!
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      • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
        Originally Posted by wAvision View Post

        Oh yeah......well my site has had 8 visitors today...beat that.
        One of my sites that usually attracts 150 uniques, has had 1 visit today from Google.

        ONE!

        I was in position number one, and now Im back on page 5.

        This is ridiculous. Really is.

        Todays earnings $0
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      • Profile picture of the author rinor81
        This is really crazy!

        All sites got hammered, crushed and more than that.

        Site that was #15 or #23 is now #678 and nowhere to be found depending on the keyboard, another one nowhere to be found....Google just killed all my sites and these were not junk sites.

        I guess it's time to think of a new strategy - Any ideas guys? :confused:
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    • Profile picture of the author Dellco
      I think the silver lining in this Massacre is that Google is finally revealing its evil agenda for all and sundry.

      The only surprise to me is that most people who got hit (still) think Google is only out to make the web a better place, when that is far from the truth.

      The main purpose of this update/massacre is simply - To nuke most internet marketers (because internet marketers are the ones actively getting links). It does not matter quality site/non quality site.

      Google hates Internet Marketing with a passion and supports Big Business/Govt. It's so obvious; it is literally right in your face.
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      • Profile picture of the author pusthu82
        Originally Posted by Dellco View Post

        I think the silver lining in this Massacre is that Google is finally revealing its evil agenda for all and sundry.

        The only surprise to me is that most people who got hit (still) think Google is only out to make the web a better place, when that is far from the truth.

        The main purpose of this update/massacre is simply - To nuke most internet marketers (because internet marketers are the ones actively getting links). It does not matter quality site/non quality site.

        Google hates Internet Marketing with a passion and supports Big Business/Govt. It's so obvious; it is literally right in your face.
        Just 2 words : F... Google!!
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    "Great user experience"
    "High quality content"

    Type in "share trading" in Google.com and check this ****ty site out that is currently ranked 4th.

    Share Dealing | compare share trading accounts - moneysupermarket UK

    HORRIBLE!
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  • Profile picture of the author razorhound
    Somebody wake me up please, this really is a horrible nightmare!
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  • Profile picture of the author wellis
    I thought I was alone in this... but honestly it does not feel any better...

    My main site and 2 main keywords stayed in the top 3 spots but I lost ranking from about 10 other smaller keywords.. fortunately they only accounted for 5% of my traffic... my second site was dropeed from page one to oblivian.. can't even find it in the top 100 pages of Google.. My third site stayed on page one unchanged... This is the weirdest algorithm change yet... When Panda came out it did not affect any of my sites... this one stings a bit.. it is kind of a scary thing having your whole livelihood tied up with one company like this.... not sure what you can do.... if I had to pay for advertising it would be like $400 a day to get the exposure I was getting.. who can afford that?

    There is a crappy site that has moved above me for one main keyword that just looks terrible..

    I do not employ any black hat schemes or link exchange pyramids... I don't pay for links... We simply build backlinks in blogs, forums, submit relevant articles, etc... really am not getting this at all.. I have felt sick to my stomach since about 4pm yesterday..

    Oh yeah my site gets re-indexed 2 to 3 times a day so Google seems to like it... really not sure why I have been punished...

    Geesh....
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  • Profile picture of the author Ashera
    Just thought of this- didn't even put two and two together. NONE of my sites that had no AdSense on them were hit yesterday- the sites that were all had it... maybe a coincidence... but 30 sites stayed same or moved up, and 5 that didn't had Adsense... (I mainly do strictly Amazon)
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    • Profile picture of the author icklepickle
      Originally Posted by Ashera View Post

      Just thought of this- didn't even put two and two together. NONE of my sites that had no AdSense on them were hit yesterday- the sites that were all had it... maybe a coincidence... but 30 sites stayed same or moved up, and 5 that didn't had Adsense... (I mainly do strictly Amazon)
      I don't have any adsense on my site or any google analytics stuff. My site is a job site for one particular job in a particular niche and has been hit hard. Normally we get 30 applicants a day (which for our niche is normal as it's quite unique) but now we're just getting 1 Really screwing us up and I've really made sure it was serious quality stuff on there. No black hat either. All white hat. Perhaps it's time to go do the darkside?
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  • Profile picture of the author esmein
    heads up: the site I have that tanked on the 24th seems to be back now. It's had more unique visitors in the last 5 hours than on the 24th and 25th combined. It also came back in serps. Not to where it was, but I'll take a bottom of the first page.

    For what it's worth.
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    • Profile picture of the author 1byte
      I've had my worst day in years. Adsense earning today at an appalling $1.43 for all of my 30+ sites.

      One of my sites that held a #1 position for 6 different keywords for more than a year straight, has now gone to #29 ranking or worse. Can't understand how my site could dominate the SERPs for these keywords for so many months, only to have them virtually disappear today.

      I hope things improve soon...
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    • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
      Originally Posted by esmein View Post

      heads up: the site I have that tanked on the 24th seems to be back now. It's had more unique visitors in the last 5 hours than on the 24th and 25th combined. It also came back in serps. Not to where it was, but I'll take a bottom of the first page.

      For what it's worth.
      Where did the site tanked before coming back to bottom of page 1?
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      • Profile picture of the author angeliti
        Same as Wellis here. My domain and 2 main keywords stayed in the top 3 spots, but all the other inner pages are nowhere to be seen. Some tag pages are ranking in page 6-7 for those keywords instead.

        Went from 1.200 unique visitors to 250, and from more than 200 euros in profits yesterday to 40 today. I really hope this is just temporary...
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      • Profile picture of the author esmein
        Originally Posted by mrtrance View Post

        Where did the site tanked before coming back to bottom of page 1?
        The bottom of oblivion. I had somewhere around 12-13 uniques on 24th and 25th, total.

        Even if I searched for my exact article titles, they weren't on the first 5 pages (but they were indexed).

        That deep.
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        • Profile picture of the author wAvision
          Originally Posted by esmein View Post

          The bottom of oblivion. I had somewhere around 12-13 uniques on 24th and 25th, total.

          Even if I searched for my exact article titles, they weren't on the first 5 pages (but they were indexed).

          That deep.
          Did this site get hit with this recent update as well?
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          • Profile picture of the author esmein
            Originally Posted by wAvision View Post

            Did this site get hit with this recent update as well?
            Yes, it was hit on 24th and came back this morning.

            Even if it stays like this, I no longer want Google as my main traffic partner. Too risky.
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            • Profile picture of the author wAvision
              Originally Posted by esmein View Post

              Yes, it was hit on 24th and came back this morning.

              Even if it stays like this, I no longer want Google as my main traffic parter. Too risky.
              Same here...developing new traffic strategy as we speak...done with worrying about search engines..
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    You know, as an ex government employee, if something like this happened in our IT dept, we'd be ORDERED to ROLLBACK, immediately.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

      You know, as an ex government employee, if something like this happened in our IT dept, we'd be ORDERED to ROLLBACK, immediately.
      I dont get it either although I do understand why my Dutch site got slapped. I used English content on blog networks with "obvious" Dutch keywords in it. And that was one of the things this update was exactly about (as Matt himself wrote that on his blog with examples).
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  • Profile picture of the author zoro
    Google is the Boss. They want everyone to pay with their Ads. They love the the big companies. Nothing we can do about it.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Here you go. Try these in google.com

    confidence training for dogs

    pos 5

    oct99

    TRIPOD PAGE FROM 1999!!! Look at the page title - "oct99" its the DATE of publication.

    how to breed goldfish

    pos 9

    How To Breed Goldfish

    Another crappy blogspot blog ranking.

    diet plans for men

    pos 8

    Diet Plans for Men

    This one is just horrible.

    how to speak japenese

    pos 9

    Learn to speak Japanese, Japanese lessons, plus hiragana and katakana talking page!

    Stuffed with ads. Reminds of the old infoseek days.

    mathematics training

    I was searching in google.com and got an indian result?

    the page timed out and i got this error "504 Gateway Time-out"

    pos 7

    http://www.math.iitb.ac.in/atm/
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    • Profile picture of the author Sojourn
      Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

      Here you go. Try these in google.com
      I'm hooked on these dang examples. You can't help but laugh.

      I do rather wish I was this site ranking #3 for "vacuum cleaner reviews" (which gets 40,500 EXACT searches a month!): vacuumcleanerreviews101 DOT org

      Which, if I'm reading this right, was just created on March 16, 2012...

      Almost makes you wish the algo stayed like this. I could build sites like that with my eyes closed. (And check out that backlink profile.)
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      • Profile picture of the author Ashera
        Originally Posted by Sojourn View Post

        I'm hooked on these dang examples. You can't help but laugh.

        I do rather wish I was this site ranking #3 for "vacuum cleaner reviews" (which gets 40,500 EXACT searches a month!): vacuumcleanerreviews101 DOT org

        Which, if I'm reading this right, was just created on March 16, 2012...

        Almost makes you wish the algo stayed like this. I could build sites like that with my eyes closed. (And check out that backlink profile.)
        Wow, that's incredible. Garbage link profile and pretty garbage site... everything will sort itself out soon enough.
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      • Profile picture of the author Adsman68
        Erica,

        Now number 2 in Google. Incredible !!

        20 backlinks and no age. Bet the owner cant believe his luck. Well, if only he had a decent site he would be raking it in !!


        Originally Posted by Sojourn View Post

        I'm hooked on these dang examples. You can't help but laugh.

        I do rather wish I was this site ranking #3 for "vacuum cleaner reviews" (which gets 40,500 EXACT searches a month!): vacuumcleanerreviews101 DOT org

        Which, if I'm reading this right, was just created on March 16, 2012...

        Almost makes you wish the algo stayed like this. I could build sites like that with my eyes closed. (And check out that backlink profile.)
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        • Profile picture of the author realworld
          Most of my sites are aged with solid, meaningful content that I have worked on for many YEARS. As I mentioned in a previous post, the recent algo change demolished my sites. I had sites ranked for countless key phrases and never paid much attention to the exact ranks as long as I was in the top 10, I was good. The recent change on Tuesday wiped away all but a few key phrases. As of yesterday, I thought damage was over and I could at least build on a few remaining key phrases. As of this morning, my major sites are no longer listed for any previously known key phrases (ouch). Fortunately, I am still on the top of Bing and Yahoo. Although Bing and Yahoo only account for roughly 30% of search traffic, I will take what I can get. I am not coming to grips with the reality of G. I will keep my sites going but will no longer provide updates, etc. I suspect this will ultimately hurt G and open the door for another search engine It is time to focus on other endeavors.
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          • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
            Get this:

            it's the end of the world in around 8 months.

            There are a lot of poor people - especially the ones who couldn't ever get SEO right.

            Google are gonna feed them and keep them happy while the world ends.

            All good.

            On the other hand..

            They said they are only starting to roll out the changes and they have been known before to serve up the worst results ever in the process of making a change.

            Keep your heads down and do as they say.. build quality websites.
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          • Profile picture of the author majestic12
            Check this out "3rd page" onwards in "Google.co.uk"


            Search...

            holiday companies
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            • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
              Originally Posted by majestic12 View Post

              Check this out "3rd page" onwards in "Google.co.uk"


              Search...

              holiday companies
              Imgur that, it's way too small as an attachment.
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  • Profile picture of the author rankinghero
    Google in Australia for Cooking Schools and the 1st position you get is a an ATM
    (Cash Machine)

    Insane
    Google is broken
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  • Profile picture of the author Stevie C
    The other strange thing I'm seeing is that the tiny bit of long tail traffic I have retained to my .com site is from google.co.uk, India and Germany - I'm not getting anything back from the USA
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  • Profile picture of the author neil_patmore
    But something has to take the top 10 positions. So when Google eradicates the high quality sites about breeding goldfish because they are commercial intent and have been optimised to rank well, what's left? Crappy sites that are poorly built, poorly written and haven't been optimised.

    Let's face it, who really is going to create a site about breeding goldfish if it isn't for commercial intent? Maybe someone who really is interested in the subject (I'm assuming this keyword does have search volume??), but probably someone who doesn't know how to build a website effectively, write effectively and certainly someone who doesn't know how to optimise a site for users and SEO for the SERPS.

    So what are we left with? Probably the very types of sites we see dominating the SERPS today.

    Well done for levelling the playing field Goggle, I'm sure this is what your users really want.
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  • Profile picture of the author JeanneLynn
    Is this a penalty or just a temporary loss of rankings? Is there a chance these sites can come back or is it better to just start new sites?
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  • Profile picture of the author mbmehmet
    I see there has been no change :-( I was expecting some sort of shuffle :-( Gonna go have a nice cup of tetley tea, put on jeremy kyle then figure out a way to get my income back.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Im seeing a bit of moment on one of my sites. Up to pos 58 from 993. Was at pos 1.

    Interestingly, the backlink count for this site went from 30,000 to 6. WTF?

    By the way, that vacuum cleaner site is ****en horrible.
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    • Profile picture of the author RazorElite
      Man I don't know what's going on with Google. Keywords that I have ranked at no. 1 for years I suddenly drop off completely or a few pages down. A couple of my websites don't even rank No. 1 for their website name any more! I also created a blog to rank for a keyword I've been trying to rank for a long time now. I created the blog last week and its suddenly at No. 1 for that keyword. Its a brand new site, hardly as any content and barely any backlinks. We're also seeing so many other crap sites show up on the first page. This better be temporary because Google has completely broken their results.
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  • Profile picture of the author brettb
    No real change in my site traffic, except some older sites are down. Earnings were poor yesterday, but that might just be a bad day.

    I don't do much link building. Go figure.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Cheesman
    Please quit saying build quality content, and a friendly user experience!

    Check this out!

    This is a total failure if I have ever seen one!

    Look at these results for "bread machine reviews":

    #5 breadmachinereviews.tripod.com
    #6 breadmachineratings.wikispaces.com
    #7 topbreadmakersonline.weebly.com
    #8 bestbreadmachines.webs.com
    #11 breadxmachine.insanejournal.com
    #12 breadmachinesx.wordpress.com/2011/12/14/selecting-a-bread-machine/
    #13 bestbreadmachines.tumblr.com
    #17 xbreadmachine.livejournal.com/

    This was actually #10 youtube.com/watch?v=9wJLkEJSwjE - Not even a video anymore..

    And they are all pointing to this site:

    breadmachinereviewsx.com

    Which is on page 2 at #16

    This guy owns the first two pages with CRAP content....

    So much for quality content with good user experience right..
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  • Profile picture of the author ashish123
    hi,
    Google changed their algorithm. i also lost my site ranking,now what we will do for improving ranking.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Cheesman
      Originally Posted by ashish123 View Post

      hi,
      Google changed their algorithm. i also lost my site ranking,now what we will do for improving ranking.
      Build quality content and continue to do quality backlinking, get links from multiple places, post good quality comments, participate in related forums, get press releases, do web2.0 linking, bookmarks, add social linking to your site such as facebook, twitter, youtube, and google plus.

      Just keep pluging away...

      Dennis
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  • Profile picture of the author povchef
    Well google have made an intresting mess of things. Both me and my major competitors websites have dropped of the face of the web. sure my website isn't perfect but the only reason I can see me loosing rankings is due to 'over-optimisation' of keywords but even that is kinda pushing it for a explination. Funny that now my site is ranking for "related-Keywords" and both my facebook page and twitter account are now ranking on first page for a major keyword I've never even targetted with my main site.
    Though the #1 spot is now taken by a trashy single image flash website (haven't seen on of them in a while)
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    weebly, tripod, blogspot...????

    WTF?
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      • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
        Originally Posted by MikeWike View Post

        Yes, those site seems to "rock hard" after the last google algo. I'm going to make some 2 page blogspot sites and see how they rank..
        Thats it.

        This update is now known as the "BLOGSPOT UPDATE" :rolleyes:

        As it seems thats the only sh!t thats ranking.

        Heres how to get first page rankings.

        1. Create a blogspot account.
        2. Post useless spun crap on it.
        3. Embed a Youtube video (for immediate rankings)
        4. Ensure you have no backlinks
        5. Implement animated graphics (circa 1999)
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  • Profile picture of the author Franksol
    I am hoping to see some good news. Does anyone see positive results with any of your sites yet?
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  • Profile picture of the author jimnastics
    I've only been doing IM properly for 2 months, have 5 sites, all of which have plummeted off the face of the Earth. Thinking of just packing this in, looks like I missed the glory years big time. What are we supposed to do? Just hang in there and see what happens? How long do we give it?
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    • Profile picture of the author jimgk
      my site - 1 year old - 125 primary keywords - about 100 dropped in serp beyond our galaxy i think - while my competitiors with their 10-15 year old site still occupy page one for the best phrase.

      if needed, can i move my .com site to the same name .net domain
      example >>> www. dog. com
      site to
      example >>> www. dog .net
      and start over by removing all unique on page text
      or will i have to totally revise my site's html as well ????

      >> question to matt cutts - can a domain/website recover in a reasonable amount of time - or will violating websites be punished for ever?
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  • Profile picture of the author Oranges
    Wait for re-crawl guys!
    This mess can't and won't stay for long.
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  • Profile picture of the author indiana jones
    Is it possible to get exact detailed algorithm formula to watch? Is it the top secret?
    Has somebody ever seen this algorytm in own eyes?

    1. Backlinks .... % influence?
    2. Content .... % influence?
    3. Visitors .... % influence?
    4. Site age .... % influence?
    5. Other factors ...% influence?
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  • Profile picture of the author Wieli
    I have to say im on both ends on this, i have had trouble with my main site loosingranking for a lot of keywords. I even have a thread up about it and i guess that thread is the same as this reason.

    On the other hand. One of my first tryout websites that i made (im new in IM) that the only backlinking i have done is 30 bookmarking submissions when i started the page 2 months ago. And with a total of 4 pages of content. that havent got ANY impression for over a month.

    Yesterday this site was on Page 1 for the 2 main KW.

    I have no monitizing on this site what so ever because i had kinda let the site die, since in my opinion had made some big mistakes.
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  • Profile picture of the author rankinghero
    Hint:
    Matt Cutts answers to his Boss - his boss answers to shareholders - Shareholders want more money - Google makes more money from ads - deep inside Google doesn't give a cr*p about your site.
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    • Profile picture of the author jimnastics
      Originally Posted by rankinghero View Post

      Hint:
      Matt Cutts answers to his Boss - his boss answers to shareholders - Shareholders want more money - Google makes more money from ads - deep inside Google doesn't give a cr*p about your site.
      If Google is so desperate to make as much money from ads as possible, surely they would be bumping up every adsense site out there??
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      • Profile picture of the author rankinghero
        Originally Posted by jimnastics View Post

        If Google is so desperate to make as much money from ads as possible, surely they would be bumping up every adsense site out there??
        The opposite mate. Think careful, if all sites drop, and SEO companies fail... more companies go where?

        PPC
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        • Profile picture of the author jimnastics
          Originally Posted by rankinghero View Post

          The opposite mate. Think careful, if all sites drop, and SEO companies fail... more companies go where?

          PPC
          Hmmm, I see what you're saying
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          • Profile picture of the author Canuckystan
            I agree with the other posters who say relax and wait for this thing to work through.

            This should give you some comfort. I got the big G bitch slap 2 days ago, went from page 1/2 to outer space. Still not back. I did no backlinking, had no adsense, but had a ton of original content. Site is 8 years old, frequent original blogs every few days, active forum. Site is gone - nothing that could offend G.

            Ringing your hands and worrying is not worth your time at this point.

            It will come back. May take a week or two.

            Also, G doesn't owe you sh#t. It is aimed at getting the right results for searchers - that is the ultimate goal. If that doesn't happen, searchers go elsewhere. If searchers go elsewhere, their clicks go with them, and ad revenue goes bye bye. G is not tareting SEO pros or internet marketers. It is targeting crap sites that wind up on pg 1. I get pretty peeved clicking into a crap site with thin content and a million pop-ups. G wants users happy happy, and why not.
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  • Profile picture of the author martyJames
    I think this change is still in motion - several of the KW's i watch now return different results in the serps than earlier today.
    One thing i notice is discussion forums are doing well in rankings - weird....
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Hlatky
    That vacuum cleaner review site is just awful.

    He would be making a good chunk of money if he put together a better website.

    40,500 exact searches a month and he puts up some Adsense.............
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  • Profile picture of the author upendraets
    on 25th April 2012 . google Panda is updated and dropped the rank
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  • Profile picture of the author wAvision
    So, i assume google has made no statements, or released any info as of yet about this change, besides the pre change info they put out???

    Do a high % of people think the change is still in progress, because i have not noticed any shuffling in my niche for about 24 hrs now.......
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  • Profile picture of the author ramcoondemand
    Even I dont find any major changes
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  • Profile picture of the author faceblogger
    haha. Most of my sites are fine. They don'r have any quality content either
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  • Profile picture of the author mikeslough11
    Hi Everyone,

    I really did not know about Google change his alog.

    I also check my website ranking this is very useful news for me.

    Thanks for sharing such a great information.

    Regards
    Mike
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    • Profile picture of the author 1byte
      Originally Posted by googlemac View Post

      Of course , again We got results.
      What are you talking about? :confused:

      Please stop with all of your banal comments and say something useful once in a while.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    My site Website Purchase Agreement was ranked first for the search term "website purchase agreement"

    It got slammed back to page 83.

    Yet this piece of copied **** below, which is a DIRECT COPY OF MY SITE, is currently ranked page 3.

    website purchase agreement sales contract

    WTF????????????????
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  • Profile picture of the author knocksense
    i think Google did not do any update .. just ROLLBACK to the 90's where people built site via tripod .. this is sick!
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    • Profile picture of the author icklepickle
      I'm seeing some of mine creeping back up again. Although one keyword still not in the top 100 but hopefully it's straightening itself out. Did a weebly site too to test it out and in the process of doing some links towards that. Strange though, some of my higher PR sites which I use for articles are on first page google for some of my keyword whereas before they were no where. This update is weird.
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  • Profile picture of the author inzaji
    Yes, 3.5 Google Panda Update (rumoured)
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    • Profile picture of the author rinor81
      My sites are dead too....sites which were not spam but niche related and updated with content yet Google does what ever he wishes.

      This calls for one solution guys - Google is no longer as it was years ago, it is not friendly or rational, so if you (and me too) want to succeed online I say it's time to find out traffic sources than Google...that is my answer and solution to these crazy changes and shifts every time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steadyon
    For all those people complaining about spammy crappy sites now filling many of the top spots in their niches, most of the tops spots in my niches are now filled by .gov, .edu and big brand sites :-(
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    These 4 sites are ranked first page for financial related terms.

    ยป 10 Ways to Simplify Your Budget :zenhabits

    Organise Your Finances

    http://www.scientificpsychic.com/alpha/money.html

    Organizing Made Fun: How I organize my finances

    This is APPAULING.

    I seriously feel like Ive gone back in time to 1996.
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  • Profile picture of the author ian a birch
    Still lost my 2 main sites but have noticed sub-domains from the 2 sites are now starting to appear in searches?
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    • Profile picture of the author 1byte
      Haha, I did a search on Google for "search engine" and here are the top 5 results:

      #1 Dogpile.com
      #2 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_search_engine
      #3 AltaVista.com
      #4 DuckDuckGo.com
      #5 TheSearchEngineList.com

      DogPile is #1 and AltaVista is #3? Seriously???

      Looks like we've gone back in time to the 90's. And some people say there is no such thing as a time machine :p

      I think I'll watch Back To The Future this weekend...
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      • Profile picture of the author Stevie C
        Originally Posted by 1byte View Post

        Haha, I did a search on Google for "search engine" and here are the top 5 results:

        #1 Dogpile.com
        #2 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_search_engine
        #3 AltaVista.com
        #4 DuckDuckGo.com
        #5 TheSearchEngineList.com

        DogPile is #1 and AltaVista is #3? Seriously???

        Looks like we've gone back in time to the 90's. And some people say there is no such thing as a time machine :p

        I think I'll watch Back To The Future this weekend...
        how about "best search engine"

        1.dogpile.com

        the 4th position is an article entitled "Google just made bing the best search engine"

        6th position is an article entitled which is the best search engine dated 2nd june 2003

        At least Google are still giving us a laugh even if they are messing with our livelihoods:rolleyes:


        Couldn't rank for 'lose weight now' well you were doing it all wrong as proved by the burritodiet.com coming in at 4th place

        what about "get your ex back" learn from the masters by searching the top hits for this keyword
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    • Profile picture of the author RazorElite
      So here's something funny with this update. One of my main keywords which I ranked no. 1 for years and brought in a ton of traffic, fell off completely.

      But guess what sites are now ranking high for this keyword? Websites talking about my site. Yup, sites now have pages ranking that do nothing but 'review' my company yet my site is nowhere to be seen. That doesn't even make sense.