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Adsense/PPC/SEO Discussion Forum would be a great place for this.

There are plenty of threads there too where they are wondering/whining/wildly gesticulating about the same things. It's a bundle of fun down there :rolleyes:

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SocialMediaOwls

12 years ago

I don't know why people get so caught up in the xrumer/scrapebox mega backlinks crap.

Making money online is simple:

1. Develop a sweet product
2. Make a sweet landing page
3. Work EVERY DAY to drive REAL PEOPLE to your site, primarily through social media
4. PROFIT!

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fluffythewondercat 12 years ago

I don't know why people get so caught up in the xrumer/scrapebox mega backlinks crap.

Um, because humans invariably take what they think is the easy way out?

Until the SEO (and WF) culture changes, Fiverr backlink gigs will still sell like MegaMillions lottery tickets.

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- JohnMcCabe 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by fluffythewondercat
  
  Until the SEO (and WF) culture changes, Fiverr backlink gigs will still sell like MegaMillions lottery tickets.
  
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  And we all know how much all but one of those was worth, don't we?
  
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Bond Girl

12 years ago

Originally Posted by SocialMediaOwls

I don't know why people get so caught up in the xrumer/scrapebox mega backlinks crap.

Making money online is simple:

1. Develop a sweet product
2. Make a sweet landing page
3. Work EVERY DAY to drive REAL PEOPLE to your site, primarily through social media
4. PROFIT!

agreed! & well said!

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goindeep 12 years ago

All im saying is that it would be good for google to tell me why they de-indexed the site and pointing me in the right direction instead of saying I have un-natural links pointing to my site.

That's like a cop saying "excuse me sir we noticed you driving too fast, here is a ticket and a suspension of your license"
me "can you tell me where I was driving like this and how fast I was going, I mean what was the speed limit anyway?"
cop "Dont ask questions SLAVE!"

Its the how not the way.

Clearly this shows google is not looking for a quality experience for their users otherwise they would be explaining which links where un-natural.

This poses another great question: does this mean I can easily take out my competition by purchasing 100 bucks worth of fiverr backlinks and pointing them to his site?
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TheProgrammer 12 years ago

Originally Posted by dawn33

yes, google are difficult to handle, make their own rules, not care about customers.. Maybe we will make boycott google? ;-)

With 2 posts you can't boycott Google, run your PPC campaigns against Google on adwords.

@OP: sad to hear that.
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Fernando Veloso

12 years ago

LOL...

This "I hate Google" VERSUS "Loser, cause you used paid backlinks" still going on?

@Andrei, two words for you, and I know you won't take this personally, cause it's just part of the game: **** happens.

@Joe, I assume you (repeatedly) never made a bunch of money in 2 months using paid backlinks - but listen, not everyone else has to be like you. Fair enough?

Now, for all the hatters, again, my words for you:

When big companies, small companies, private webmasters, pro's and rookies use PAID backlinks to gain rankings in Google over your site, you have two options:

1 - Make peanuts and go happy with it, waiting for a Google miracle.
2 - Buy a better "formula", make huge amounts of money, go happy for 2-3 months, and then get angry for 2-3 weeks.

Fair? Not really.
There are exceptions? You can bet on that. You know them, I know them.
Will it end? Don't know, don't care. My business is NOT based on rankings.

Note: Google allows this to happen: the paid links and the angry mobs.

And for those STILL saying this last update "cleaned" the rankings out of "evil" guys... you really need a reality check outside your comfort zone. 8 out of 10 niches I check everyday have more of the same - just different sites.

Personally, I see more deep problems with Google right now - and you can bet slaps is NOT one of them. Their overall attitude towards IM'ers, affiliates, small biz's is what makes me re-think a lot about this business.

Anyway, just wishing you all a nice week. With Google, without Google, etc etc. Take care.

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Paul Gram

12 years ago

I wouldn't touch backlinks from Fiverr or the WSO with a 10 foot pole even if they were free. I recommend you stay far away from that kind of stuff.

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bizwisard

12 years ago

Remember the golden rule , "He who has the gold, Makes the rules". Use other means than relying on "GOOGLE" Don,t put all your eggs in one basket .

They see themselves as the self appointed police of the internet ,Avoid their jurisdiction.

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Torafox1

12 years ago

Originally Posted by bizwisard

Remember the golden rule , "He who has the gold, Makes the rules". Use other means than relying on "GOOGLE" Don,t put all your eggs in one basket .

They see themselves as the self appointed police of the internet ,Avoid their jurisdiction.

I'm beginning to love the egg metaphor.

But, yes, Google totally owns the internet right now and, unfortunately, some clients demand from their contractors that their site be ranked on Google because, I'll repeat it again, it owns the internet.

Even if other people are silently praying that another search engine will beat Google, it will still follow suit with the big G.

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goindeep

12 years ago

Hi all

I dont have much of a life apart from working, gym, wifey, baby, and beer so I decided to read every post...

OK here is the thing.

The mighty always fall.

Always. And if they are arrogant mother f**kers like the goo gaa seem to be. Then they fall even harder, and it feels even better for all of the little villagers they have ever stomped on.

Yes I used paid links. But ill tell you what, that blog had some of the best god damned content in its niche, it was all natural home cooked content that I whipped together myself! I mean, I was friggin drunk half the time I wrote thats s**t, thats how real it was, I updated that thing daily! And ill tell you what else, that blog had over 1k natural facebook likes!

And on top of goo gaa black holing my site and not telling me what for I then realize the amount of giant million dollar sites that buy links!

The best part about all this? I have a wicked evil plan to get goo gaa back!

And no im not releasing a WSO. I dont sell WSO's (reminder to self, delete last sentence when future self is up s**t creek).

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Mike Anthony 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Andrei Rotariu

I was friggin drunk half the time I wrote thats s**t, thats how real it was, I updated that thing daily!

Hold up - all my life I got it wrong. I thought people got drunk to have a good time and escape problems not so they could make things more real.

Anyway OP you can't blame Google. They always said those things were wrong as far as they were concerned. If you didn't know then blame the people selling you that stuff that knew better.
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Jordan Kovats

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Andrei Rotariu

Hi all

Yes I used paid links. But ill tell you what, that blog had some of the best god damned content in its niche, it was all natural home cooked content that I whipped together myself! I mean, I was friggin drunk half the time I wrote thats s**t, thats how real it was, I updated that thing daily! And ill tell you what else, that blog had over 1k natural facebook likes!

The best part about all this? I have a wicked evil plan to get goo gaa back!

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I'm sorry about your luck. You can't cry that it not fair about getting an unnatural linking notice whn you admitted you used paid links. The analogy of being arrested for a traffic violation without being told doesn't quite cut it. When I have been pulled over for speeding, I know I was speeding. You knew paid links were a no no. Who cares who else is doing it, you got caught.

As far as getting Google back...my guess is Google will end up winning.
Learn the rules of the game, play by them, risk palyng on the edge and bending them. Regardless, it is Google's arena, Google's rules, and Google's officiating crew refereeing the game. Like it, or leave it.

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Rod Cortez

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Torafox1

I'm beginning to love the egg metaphor.

But, yes, Google totally owns the internet right now and, unfortunately, some clients demand from their contractors that their site be ranked on Google because, I'll repeat it again, it owns the internet.

Even if other people are silently praying that another search engine will beat Google, it will still follow suit with the big G.

Google does not own the Internet right now. They pretty much own the search engine traffic, but in the big picture, that's less than 10% of over all internet traffic. Some research firms have it at a lower number than that.

But I can relate to Andrei's pain since many, many years ago I was soley reliant on traffic from Google, Yahoo and MSN (before it went to Bing). A few algo changes later and I got pounded, lost a good chunk of my income. From that day I swore I would build a business that wouldn't just survive without Google, but would thrive.

There's plenty of traffic inventory out there ready to be bought by marketers like us. There are also ways to build your own list and network without having to rely on Google (content syndication and free publicity are two prime examples of this); and yes, social media and networks are very effective ways to build your own network of traffic visitors to your websites / blogs.

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retsek 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Gram

I wouldn't touch backlinks from Fiverr or the WSO with a 10 foot pole even if they were free. I recommend you stay far away from that kind of stuff.

Quoted for friggin truth.

You bought manipulative links from fiverr and WSOs and you're pissed at Google? What do you want them to tell you? You ALREADY know what links have triggered the message. You ALREADY admitted what you did wrong.
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100k

12 years ago

WoW, another reason to get out of Google's seo Game.

Sucks dude. Luckily it was just a lil blog, but still sucks!

Im going into PPC/PPV as soon as I have spare cash to do some heavy testing this year.

I have started to get sick of Google.

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yukon

Banned 12 years ago

If Google gave you exact details for why they sent you a negative message about links, every person on earth would be milking the SERPs for all it has to offer, guaranteed.

People test Google non-stop to see what they can get away with, that's part of SEO (testing). The differance between testing the SERPs & Google handing you the answer on a silver platter is, not everyone will figure out what's needed to rank a page in the SERPs on their own (supply & demand (Google it)).

A lot of people in SEO have sites setup to push Google to the limits, If Google told everyone what they are doing wrong/right, well, what's in it for Google? The answer is nothing.

Anyone that takes the SERPs personal, should leave SEO ASAP, find another source of traffic.

Anyone that hasn't already diversified their traffic, well that's your own fault, deal with it or give up on IM.

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- yukon Banned 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by mrultra
  
  Better results?
  
  You completely missed my point.
  
  If Coca-Cola handed someone their secret recipe the first thing they would do is:
  
  A: Sell the recipe
  
  B: Startup their own Cola empire & sell the product for less than Coca-Cola
  
  If Google hands you everything you need, Google would be history before the day was over.
  
  Again, people test Googles algo. to see how far they can push SEO. Google knows this, there's a video here on WF of Google reps. talking about the cat/mouse SEO testing.
  
  You can't expect Google or any other business in this world to shoot themselves in the foot just to please anyone else trying to make a buck.
  
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  paulgl 12 years ago
  
  I've ranted for months:
  
  Anyone who turns their website over to the knuckleheads
  on fiverr must be named Moe, Larry, or Curly.
  
  How much do you value your website?
  
  Nothing personal...
  
  If anyone is dumb enough to turn their website over
  to strangers, on fiverr no less, or a ton of those
  clowns doing wso's, how can you turn around and
  call google dumb? For what? Record profits?
  
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Mikeaha

12 years ago

Hello,

The logic from the original post is: I did 2 types of back linking. Fiverr and WSO. WSOs could not have caused me problems so it must have been fiverr. I understand the logic, but the big G is not always logical. Case in point. Look at the serps for many popular KWs. The top results are absolutely baffling. Was the latest Algo really to make the user experience better? and if so, is it better?

I have several sites that got slammed by the algo update, almost as many shot up the rankings. And guess what? For these sites I used Fiverr gigs exclusively!

Over the last few months, I tested several gigs. I put the ones that I thought were good on a list. Every new site that I turned up, I used the same gigs on that list. Some got crushed, others went up? Is it really Fiverr? Or something else?

I don't know the answer, but from my own experience I come up with one thing. Create your site and drive traffic to it as if Google did not exist! If G loves my site, then great, I will get that much traffic. But to count solely on G is a disaster waiting to happen. There are many that will argue with me on this point. their arguments will probably valid too.

But if we don't rely solely on those coveted 10 places on page 1, and we learn to drive traffic in other ways...... Look around this amazing forum. SEO is not the only way to drive traffic......

For all that watched Braveheart I can only think of one word " Frreeeeedoooooom"

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OmarNegron

12 years ago

Interesting indeed, sorry to hear that happened to you. No wonder people are now suggesting to simply eliminate Google webmaster tools and analytics from your sites. Google will snoop around your site and say that you have unnatural links pointing to you but this may all be a master plan to get you to reveal the links you have been using.

This is what happened to people and they ended up revealing BMR and there goes BMR out of business. Really incredible indeed that Google was able to pull this off. There are so many theories and opinions that it can really drive you crazy.

One thing is for sure, if you don't have to give Google a way to snoop around your site then simply don't do it.

When you think about it, why do they give you access to all these powerful free tools?

What do you think is the catch?

Exactly...

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nonin

12 years ago

everybody is buying links... especially if we make clear that leads are the same links or thinking about adwords

don't worry - the policy of Google is that they will remove the ban on your website after 30 days and you will start climbing back to the place where you were few days ago.

but you can say goodbye to your adsense account.

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Zibblu

12 years ago

I'm more irritated by the terrible results I've got from WSOs than I'm from Fiverr. Fiverr you expect to be garbage. It's $5. But these WSOs have pages of glowing reviews and I've spent a lot of money on them. I'm still getting links from some of them now.. that I'm pretty sure are doing me more harm than good. Very frustrating in a way. But I have learned my lesson: Good reviews on an WSO are absolutely meaningless.

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