EMDs: Not really better? Proof

12 years ago

EMD's haven't been nearly as effective recently. At least, this is my opinion. I think they're a little over-hyped here.

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John Romaine

12 years ago

EMD's are fine.

Its only when you're domain, page name, meta tags, title tags, images, and inbound links are all the same.

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markwilson4074 12 years ago

Originally Posted by John Romaine

EMD's are fine.

Its only when you're domain, page name, meta tags, title tags, images, and inbound links are all the same.

So you mean ranking a website with EMD is difficult (in Google) if we do the following?

"when you're domain, page name, meta tags, title tags, images, and inbound links are all the same."

Pls. clarify.

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jimbo63

12 years ago

Originally Posted by John Romaine

EMD's are fine.

Its only when you're domain, page name, meta tags, title tags, images, and inbound links are all the same.

I'm doing everything you say not to do. All my EMD's are ranking number 1 for it's main keyword, secondaries and long tails. Not one update has had any effect on them.

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John Romaine

12 years ago

Originally Posted by jimbo63

I'm doing everything you say not to do. All my EMD's are ranking number 1 for it's main keyword, secondaries and long tails. Not one update has had any effect on them.

"number 1 for it's main keyword"

Yeah? ...and what's the strength on those keywords?

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jimbo63

12 years ago

Originally Posted by John Romaine

"number 1 for it's main keyword"

Yeah? ...and what's the strength on those keywords?

I'll just give you numbers on one site.

Adsense site, long tail Emd, it's number one in Google

exact searches
global - 8,100
local - 6,600

Multiple number one spots for variations of the long tail also, giving extra searches per month anywhere between 100+ - 1000+ per variations.

This blog gets between 1000 - 1500+ unique visitors per day.

Just before the latest update I was building backlinks for three other keywords, made it to position number 3 for all of them. Then Penguin hit, wasn't sure what was going on, so all backlinking stopped. Position for these keywords are now just below the fold.

Just letting this update calm down, then I'll be backlinking again.

Searches for these keywords....
Keyword 1
global 22,200
local 14,800

Keyword 2
global 12,100
local 8,100

Keyword 3
global 1900
local 1300

When these keywords were in position 3, in Google, I was getting into the 2k+ unique visitors per day. Adsense was rocking then...

To date it has 197 comments on the exact long tail page from visitors. Lots of back and fourth communication, giving the blog even more listed search terms.

Oh, just for the heck of it while talking about comments. On one of my other EMD's. It is not unusual for comments from visitors to be 300+ words.

Oh hey guess what? I have adense above the fold, both sidebars and either in the header or just below the navigation tabs....

Yes it's an EMD! In fact it's seven words long, 18 letters long.

Yeah you all know what your talking about......

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MassivePassive 12 years ago

How long ago did you build that site, as in, how many months did it take of backlinking to rank? Curious.
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- jimbo63 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by MassivePassive
  
  How long ago did you build that site, as in, how many months did it take of backlinking to rank? Curious.
  
  Is this question directed at me?
  
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John Romaine

12 years ago

Originally Posted by jimbo63

I'll just give you numbers on one site.

Adsense site, long tail Emd, it's number one in Google

exact searches
global - 8,100
local - 6,600

Multiple number one spots for variations of the long tail also, giving extra searches per month anywhere between 100+ - 1000+ per variations.

This blog gets between 1000 - 1500+ unique visitors per day.

Just before the latest update I was building backlinks for three other keywords, made it to position number 3 for all of them. Then Penguin hit, wasn't sure what was going on, so all backlinking stopped. Position for these keywords are now just below the fold.

Just letting this update calm down, then I'll be backlinking again.

Searches for these keywords....
Keyword 1
global 22,200
local 14,800

Keyword 2
global 12,100
local 8,100

Keyword 3
global 1900
local 1300

When these keywords were in position 3, in Google, I was getting into the 2k+ unique visitors per day. Adsense was rocking then...

To date it has 197 comments on the exact long tail page from visitors. Lots of back and fourth communication, giving the blog even more listed search terms.

Oh, just for the heck of it while talking about comments. On one of my other EMD's. It is not unusual for comments from visitors to be 300+ words.

Oh hey guess what? I have adense above the fold, both sidebars and either in the header or just below the navigation tabs....

Again, what's the STRENGTH of competition on the targeted keywords? Search volume is irrelevant.

Originally Posted by jimbo63

In fact it's seven words long, 18 letters long

7 words? So it's a long tail keyword with little to no competition. :rolleyes:

Strength of competition man, thats what I was asking for.

Not fancy search volume figures.

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jimbo63

12 years ago

Originally Posted by John Romaine

Again, what's the STRENGTH of competition on the targeted keywords? Search volume is irrelevant.

7 words? So it's a long tail keyword with little to no competition. :rolleyes:

Strength of competition man, thats what I was asking for.

Not fancy search volume figures.

Yeah ok

How about I just do this.....pm you my non-searched long tail emd and you have a look.

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John Romaine 12 years ago

Originally Posted by jimbo63

Yeah ok

How about I just do this.....pm you my non-searched long tail emd and you have a look.

Sure, why not.
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- jimbo63 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by John Romaine
  
  Sure, why not.
  
  PM sent...
  
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allsystems

12 years ago

I dont know if I agree. Dont know if anyone has been following any of my posts but I am having a hard time ranking a domain I am working on. Now obviously the domain when it was purchased by client he explained to me he wanted it to be a business so i said fine go ahead and choose your business name and we will rank it. I of course was aware of the EMD at the time. Now the page I am ranking is www.brandname.com/keyword. Site has dissapeard from SERPS after hitting some high PR links but was on position 24 before dissapearing.
Not there is a domain on position 16 that got my itnerest because it is keyword.co.uk. Its a premium domain and it isnt being used at the moment. Its for sale on sedo. Now if EMD has no value how is that name ranking with no work. Its a competitive keyword

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Fernando Veloso

12 years ago

Originally Posted by jrpt

I think Google for some silly reason thinks emds are more prone to being 'spammy' because until now it has given us schmoes a ranking advantage so this might be a way to somewhat curb this emd practice a bit. Just a guess but an educated one at that.
Just passing it along.

You're right, and we (some of us) warned about this issue last months. It was inevitable. But... as usual, Google will revert it back next updates. They can't go on WITHOUT emd's.

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wolfmmiii

12 years ago

Originally Posted by jrpt

I think Google for some silly reason thinks emds are more prone to being 'spammy'

Silly??? Come on. Are you pulling my leg? I'd bet money that most EMDs are exactly that - spammy.

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John Romaine 12 years ago

Originally Posted by wolfmmiii

Silly??? Come on. Are you pulling my leg? I'd bet money that most EMDs are exactly that - spammy.

Tell that to the owners of business.com, pizza.com etc etc etc
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