AskTheBuilder loses 70% traffic. Great interview mp3

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I listened to this thing with my mouth open

Tim Carter of AskTheBuilder did an amazing interview at:

Code:
theaveragegenius.net
i typed out some key parts here

21:52

"Years ago, if you were to ask me in 1995, how many home improvement websites would there be in 2012, I would have said maybe 200 or so...Because, at the time, i thought it was really easy. I didnt think it was hard to make a website. I didnt find it particularly hard to write a column. See what I mean?
Well, right now, and i'm serious about this, if I asked you to go out and find really good home improvement websites, with hundreds and hundreds of columns, written by one person. What I call a "First Person Website." You can't do it. There arent 5 of them out there. They dont exist. I've looked. I'm telling you. They don't exist."

26:35

"I've never done any of the grayhat stuff. I do great content, videos... no duplicaet content, i've never sold a text link. I don't do reciprical linking. And I get hammered. So, that's a really interesting data point when you think about it."

35:48

"Before panda, I was up to about 60,000 unique visitors a day... Now i'm lucky to have 15,000 people a day."

36:44

"I went through a really rough time last year... But I was really lucky... I had built up... a weekly newsletter. I have 100,000 subscribers on my [newsletter] list...so luckily i'm able to market to it...over the years, I created a bunch of electronic products... And i'm able to market my products to my list. And fortunately, the other thing that has kept me alive in this transition phase, is back in 1996...I started this little cottage business out of my basement...called StainSolver...we make it. I own the trademark... Since Panda, now i'm basically pouring all of my
passion into that business."

40:20

"So, my advice to the people listenting here, is forget about these search engines. I can tell you, I have basically abandoned any type of business, that has anything to do, with free organic search listings. Forget about it. Just start a traditional business. If you want to have an online store that's fine. But find out who your customers are and get into a niche... The kind of thing that does not need to have Google. I don't need Google. I don't care about Google. They don't care about me. Why should I care about them."

45:42

"I guess what i'm trying to tell you is, i'm not going to play the game anymore... People like me, who create high-quality content... where the shift is happening is to Amazon...I am systematically moving almost every bit of the content that's on AskTheBuilder, over to eBooks at the Amazon Kindle Store..."

49:50

"Don't count on the search engines... You'll probably gonna have to buy your traffic... But you want to start a business where you're selling products that people need..."

51:10

"Do you have any winning traffic strategies for anyone starting out?
I used to. But now i'd say 'no.' Maybe you'll be lucky. Maybe you'll get some search traffic...But figure out a way to start buying your traffic..."
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  • Profile picture of the author thatkeywordguy
    Seriously, give it a listen.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    I didn't listen to the mp3, I did read the OP so I assume what your saying is legit.

    First thing is, ATB is a single website/webmaster, don't base your life/business off a single guys opinion.

    What I found amusing is, ATB is still running Adsense as I post this comment, so obviously ATB isn't that unhappy with all things Google.

    As far as SEO, ATBs internal pages could use some improvements (IMO). Notice the unnecessary multiple <h1> tags on non keyword text. I'm an on-page SEO guy, that's the first thing I look at.

    These are all <h1> tags on the page/link below, that's not good at all:
    • Secondary Navigation
    • Main Navigation
    • Q&A /
    • SPONSORS /
    • SEARCH ASK THE BUILDER /
    • WELCOME TO ASK THE BUILDER /
    • SUBSCRIBE /
    • SPONSORS /

    Then I see this text (Expert Advice For Your Home) wrapped in an <h2>, which should be an <h1> way before the current list of <h1> irrelevant text above.

    ATB does have a minimal page, so I'll give them credit for that as far as SEO goes.

    Also, there's absolutely no keyword links in the content on the entire site, what's up with that?
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    • Profile picture of the author retsek
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      I didn't listen to the mp3, I did read the OP so I assume what your saying is legit.

      First thing is, ATB is a single website/webmaster, don't base your life/business off a single guys opinion.

      What I found amusing is, ATB is still running Adsense as I post this comment, so obviously ATB isn't that unhappy with all things Google.

      As far as SEO, ATBs internal pages could use some improvements (IMO). Notice the unnecessary multiple <h1> tags on non keyword text. I'm an on-page SEO guy, that's the first thing I look at.

      These are all <h1> tags on the page/link below, that's not good at all:
      • Secondary Navigation
      • Main Navigation
      • Q&A /
      • SPONSORS /
      • SEARCH ASK THE BUILDER /
      • WELCOME TO ASK THE BUILDER /
      • SUBSCRIBE /
      • SPONSORS /

      Then I see this text (Expert Advice For Your Home) wrapped in an <h2>, which should be an <h1> way before the current list of <h1> irrelevant text above.



      ATB does have a minimal page, so I'll give them credit for that as far as SEO goes.

      Also, there's absolutely no keyword links in the content on the entire site, what's up with that?
      Yukon, all good observations.

      And what you're looking at now is supposed to be the improved version of the site.

      There's almost always a good reason why sites have been penalized by Panda or Penguin. And i believe this one is no exception or false positive.

      Some of that adsense money should have went back into development and improvement of the site's structure long before Panda hit. But I guess, if it works don't fix it?

      Just look at another seemingly good site and how it fell (and later recovered).
      http://www.seomoz.org/blog/how-wpmuo...penguin-update ....given that the date of recovery is exactly the time of a known data refresh, you probably can rule out manual invention by Google.
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by retsek View Post

        Yukon, all good observations.

        And what you're looking at now is supposed to be the improved version of the site.

        There's almost always a good reason why sites have been penalized by Panda or Penguin. And i believe this one is no exception or false positive.

        Some of that adsense money should have went back into development and improvement of the site's structure long before Panda hit. But I guess, if it works don't fix it?

        Just look at another seemingly good site and how it fell (and later recovered).
        How WPMU.org Recovered From The Penguin Update | SEOmoz ....given that the date of recovery is exactly the time of a known data refresh, you probably can rule manual invention by Google.
        I agree ATB still has work to do If they ever decide to seriously rank pages in the SERPs. They have a really good start (content/simplicity).

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        If WPMU was smart what they should have done is coded their themes/plugins to only generate a backlink in the Index pages footer, not the entire site. The end result would have probably been the exact same as far as pushing PR to the WPMU site.

        Out of those 1.5 million links, I'm sure most are PR0 links on an average blogs internal pages.

        This way, each theme that is downloaded & used only generates a single backlink, on what typically is the strongest PR page of a website, which is the Index page.

        I find it funny they didn't do this, what I've posted above (single link per site).

        WPMU might be pros at WP, but they defiantly need to streamline their SEO strategy.
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      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      I didn't listen to the mp3, I did read the OP so I assume what your saying is legit.

      First thing is, ATB is a single website/webmaster, don't base your life/business off a single guys opinion.

      What I found amusing is, ATB is still running Adsense as I post this comment, so obviously ATB isn't that unhappy with all things Google.

      As far as SEO, ATBs internal pages could use some improvements (IMO). Notice the unnecessary multiple <h1> tags on non keyword text. I'm an on-page SEO guy, that's the first thing I look at.

      These are all <h1> tags on the page/link below, that's not good at all:
      • Secondary Navigation
      • Main Navigation
      • Q&A /
      • SPONSORS /
      • SEARCH ASK THE BUILDER /
      • WELCOME TO ASK THE BUILDER /
      • SUBSCRIBE /
      • SPONSORS /

      Then I see this text (Expert Advice For Your Home) wrapped in an <h2>, which should be an <h1> way before the current list of <h1> irrelevant text above.



      ATB does have a minimal page, so I'll give them credit for that as far as SEO goes.

      Also, there's absolutely no keyword links in the content on the entire site, what's up with that?
      I totally agree, i think they have used the H1 tag for the wrong reason and used it to style the page, that is just a lazy person. With styling you should always use CSS to keep your pages free from unnecessary code
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      • Profile picture of the author olamilekan2
        Amazing! no one should based his or her business income on SEO alone, you should diversify
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        • Profile picture of the author yukon
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          Originally Posted by olamilekan2 View Post

          Amazing! no one should based his or her business income on SEO alone, you should diversify
          True, diversifying traffic is obviously important, but ATB isn't doing much SEO (zero off-page & very little on-page SEO).
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  • Profile picture of the author BarryOnline
    You can see this interview plus many other things about Google in this blog post -

    Does Google Really Reward Quality, Original Content? An Interview With AsktheBuilder Tim Carter

    Seriously, read the whole post, listed to the MP3 interview, watch the youtube video...

    IT'S A MUST READ!
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    15,000 a day. he still makes a pretty penny.
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    Apart from all that, though I understand the guy's attitude of resignation regarding organic SEO, it just doesn't make sense from a business point of view to say you are basically going to forget about search engines. How can you when there are tens of thousands of potential customers out there SEARCHING for stuff in your niche every day? C'mon, just doesn't make business sense to say you aren't going to bother trying to get them on YOUR site and you are going to concentrate on "other channels", or whatever.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Ok, I'm listening to the ATB mp3.

    I'm totally blown away on the entire rant.
    • I've seen the ATB sites lack of on-page SEO.
    • I've listened to the mp3 & the ATB owner saying they have never done off-page SEO.

    If a site has no on-page SEO or off-page SEO, there is absoulty nothing left to rank a page in the SERPs, nothing!

    If a guy never does SEO, they will never rank in the SERPs, it's that simple. I don't care how great the content is, great content doesn't rank a page, SEO ranks a page.

    Why do people think content alone will rank a page in the SERPs, I don't understand that type of thinking?

    BTW, I'm not trying to dis. ATB, they could defiantly rank pages, but with zero SEO that's not going to happen.
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    • Profile picture of the author James Hussey
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Ok, I'm listening to the ATB mp3.

      I'm totally blown away on the entire rant.
      • I've seen the ATB sites lack of on-page SEO.
      • I've listened to the mp3 & the ATB owner saying they have never done off-page SEO.

      If a site has no on-page SEO or off-page SEO, there is absoulty nothing left to rank a page in the SERPs, nothing!

      If a guy never does SEO, they will never rank in the SERPs, it's that simple. I don't care how great the content is, great content doesn't rank a page, SEO ranks a page.

      Why do people think content alone will rank a page in the SERPs, I don't understand that type of thinking?

      BTW, I'm not trying to dis. ATB, they could defiantly rank pages, but with zero SEO that's not going to happen.

      Yukon -

      You've clearly NEVER visited the site before Panda, have you?

      I think you can see some of it in the Google videos if you follow my links in the post (I'm the guy who wrote that, just FYI for anyone reading).

      My point is, as I said in another thread where another Warrior posted the link to my interview, Tim has taken steps to redesign his site NOT to capitalize or depend on SEO, but to capitalize on capturing LEADS.

      It's NOT SEO'd at present, but it wasn't always that way.

      If you want further proof of whether the site was "properly SEO'd" (can't help but notice you're billing yourself as an "SEO Strategist" so the picture's pretty clear why it's eating at you), ask Google.

      They released case studies showcasing the guy's site.

      They used him OFTEN to say how things should be done (i.e. contrary to popular SEO theory, you aren't supposed to be building links, just content - you and I haven't carried along in those lines, but that's the Google party line)...he DID rank, but when traffic dried up post-Panda, he changed things around.

      He's taking his site in another direction, away from SEO-dependency: that's the point you keep missing.

      His site wasn't always "dismal" on SEO: but if Google isn't sending you traffic - then who CARES what proper on-page SEO is?

      Hopefully you see the point. You keep posting this argument but you don't know the full story, and hey: I get it. I used to rely on SEO myself, it's easy to criticize the guy for what a schmuck he is if you judge a man based on his SEO, but you're not connecting the dots and don't know the full story.

      Anyhow, I'm not attacking you, but feel that as you keep posting these "He doesn't have an SEO'd site" comments, you're steering the conversation in a direction that's entirely a moot point: he doesn't WANT an SEO'd site, since Google slapped his content which they used to love so much.
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      • Profile picture of the author retsek
        There were numerous issues with this site even before Panda. Even the very issue that yukon points out here in the new design was still present then.

        Either way, the single biggest problem with the site in both old and new versions is that it created a lot of "orphaned" pages. There's alot of sub-categories and great content in those categories that had no clear path leading to them. Little effort was made at creating good page titles. Alot of fluff was indexed that shouldn't have been indexed.

        I've followed tim's letters and rants over the years and he always talks about ehow. His site designers should have really taken a page out of their book in that regard. (not the rehashing other people's content part, obviously).

        Simple things like a rich homepage and pagination would have done wonders, it's a shame he gave up on search engines. He could have still been getting good traffic from the SEs while also working on other traffic sources he's now building.

        What I want to ask though, is that if he changed direction after the first Panda. Why does he keep complaining after every algo update
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by JamestheJust on Elance View Post

        Yukon -

        You've clearly NEVER visited the site before Panda, have you?

        I think you can see some of it in the Google videos if you follow my links in the post (I'm the guy who wrote that, just FYI for anyone reading).

        My point is, as I said in another thread where another Warrior posted the link to my interview, Tim has taken steps to redesign his site NOT to capitalize or depend on SEO, but to capitalize on capturing LEADS.

        It's NOT SEO'd at present, but it wasn't always that way.

        If you want further proof of whether the site was "properly SEO'd" (can't help but notice you're billing yourself as an "SEO Strategist" so the picture's pretty clear why it's eating at you), ask Google.

        They released case studies showcasing the guy's site.

        They used him OFTEN to say how things should be done (i.e. contrary to popular SEO theory, you aren't supposed to be building links, just content - you and I haven't carried along in those lines, but that's the Google party line)...he DID rank, but when traffic dried up post-Panda, he changed things around.

        He's taking his site in another direction, away from SEO-dependency: that's the point you keep missing.

        His site wasn't always "dismal" on SEO: but if Google isn't sending you traffic - then who CARES what proper on-page SEO is?

        Hopefully you see the point. You keep posting this argument but you don't know the full story, and hey: I get it. I used to rely on SEO myself, it's easy to criticize the guy for what a schmuck he is if you judge a man based on his SEO, but you're not connecting the dots and don't know the full story.

        Anyhow, I'm not attacking you, but feel that as you keep posting these "He doesn't have an SEO'd site" comments, you're steering the conversation in a direction that's entirely a moot point: he doesn't WANT an SEO'd site, since Google slapped his content which they used to love so much.
        These two forum threads are causing the same questions/answers to be repeated, hopefully a Mod. will combine both threads into a single thread.

        Yes, I've visited that site after the Adsense blog published their blog post about ATB, it's been a year or two, but I remember the site.

        It makes no sense to give up on SEO, I'm sure SERP traffic built that 100k email subscriber list. Why stop at 100K subscribers, why not keep going for 200k subscribers? Doesn't make sense to me.

        Tim said Amazon traffic would buy his content, great, but why give up on the sites content (diversify traffic).

        Giving up on one traffic source isn't diversifying traffic, it's moving from point-A to point-B, not the same things.
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    • Profile picture of the author mraffiliate
      Just visit Google's Help Forums and high level Google Employees are telling site owners and web masters that building just one backlink to a site is against their TOS and you will get penalized for it. They state that the only way to get backlinks is for your site visitors to like your site so much that they put a link from their site to yours on their own.


      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Ok, I'm listening to the ATB mp3.

      I'm totally blown away on the entire rant.
      • I've seen the ATB sites lack of on-page SEO.
      • I've listened to the mp3 & the ATB owner saying they have never done off-page SEO.

      If a site has no on-page SEO or off-page SEO, there is absoulty nothing left to rank a page in the SERPs, nothing!

      If a guy never does SEO, they will never rank in the SERPs, it's that simple. I don't care how great the content is, great content doesn't rank a page, SEO ranks a page.

      Why do people think content alone will rank a page in the SERPs, I don't understand that type of thinking?

      BTW, I'm not trying to dis. ATB, they could defiantly rank pages, but with zero SEO that's not going to happen.
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by mraffiliate View Post

        Just visit Google's Help Forums and high level Google Employees are telling site owners and web masters that building just one backlink to a site is against their TOS and you will get penalized for it. They state that the only way to get backlinks is for your site visitors to like your site so much that they put a link from their site to yours on their own.
        Meh... I tend to do whatever I want with my own sites, If I want to build a link, chances are high I'll build a link.

        My advice is stay off the Google forums, unless someone wants to have their site scrutinized by Google.

        BTW, I do have traffic building links (free).
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        • Profile picture of the author mraffiliate
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          Meh... I tend to do whatever I want with my own sites, If I want to build a link, chances are high I'll build a link.

          My advice is stay off the Google forums, unless someone wants to have their site scrutinized by Google.

          BTW, I do have traffic building links (free).
          I made that comment because if you wait around for someone else to place a link from their site to yours you may be waiting a long time because in a lot of niches most if not all the visitors do not have sites so it would be impossible to get natural links.
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        • Profile picture of the author retsek
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          My advice is stay off the Google forums, unless someone wants to have their site scrutinized by Google.
          You shouldn't want to hide your sites from scrutiny by Google. If you have **** to hide, chances are one of their algo updates will eventually catch up to you ..whether panda, penguin, orca, zebra, white tiger, osprey, et al.

          Unless you're really bad, they're gonna leave you alone and let their algo sort you out rather taking time to manually smite one guy on their forum.
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          • Profile picture of the author yukon
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            Originally Posted by retsek View Post

            You shouldn't want to hide your sites from scrutiny by Google. If you have **** to hide, chances are one of their algo updates will eventually catch up to you ..whether panda, penguin, orca, zebra, white tiger, osprey, et al.

            Unless you're really bad, they're gonna leave you alone and let their algo sort you out rather taking time to manually smite one guy on their forum.

            On the other hand it's not a smart idea to ask the IRS to audit you just because you can.

            I don't have anything to hide (I run Adsense), still I'm not asking Google to nit pick my sites, that's just asking for trouble.
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              So, SEO is not dead after all. It just has taken a new form.
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              • Profile picture of the author yukon
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                Originally Posted by fortony View Post

                So, SEO is not dead after all. It just has taken a new form.
                SEO is the same as it's always been, text (keywords) + links.
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    Thanks a TON for posting the link here - I really appreciate you getting the word out on the street so to speak. I also appreciate you quoting those points he made, means a lot to me.
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    Originally Posted by thatkeywordguy View Post

    "I went through a really rough time last year... But I was really lucky... I had built up... a weekly newsletter. I have 100,000 subscribers on my [newsletter] list...so luckily i'm able to market to it...over the years, "
    Umm..... how does 1.8 million unique visits a month building up a list of 100,000 translate to lucky? That subscriber base is still based on the SEO he is now telling everyone to run away from

    Originally Posted by retsek View Post

    What I want to ask though, is that if he changed direction after the first Panda. Why does he keep complaining after every algo update
    Because even though SEO is so awful :rolleyes: he still gets 450,000 visits per month from it even after abandoning it. I'd like to see another traffic model do that for free.
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  • Profile picture of the author thatkeywordguy
    I do agree that the guy has given up on organic search too early.

    You can really hear the passion in his voice.

    He's almost ready to eat the phone! lol

    You can tell he is just pissed off.

    And he really feels betrayed by what he thought was a viable long term business partner--Google.

    I think his site is salvageable and may bounce back. But the point is, to never again be reliant on another company in that fashion.

    And to work to build your own traffic streams and customers.
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      Originally Posted by thatkeywordguy View Post

      I do agree that the guy has given up on organic search too early.

      You can really hear the passion in his voice.

      He's almost ready to eat the phone! lol

      You can tell he is just pissed off.

      And he really feels betrayed by what he thought was a viable long term business partner--Google.

      I think his site is salvageable and may bounce back. But the point is, to never again be reliant on another company in that fashion.

      And to work to build your own traffic streams and customers.
      True, but look at all the affiliates that get shafted by Amazon each time Amazon gets pissed off over state tax laws. Amazon doesn't care about their affiliates, just the same as most other business online, the only thing that matters is money in their own pockets, it's business & the sole reason any business exist (money).

      Even non-profit business is all about money.

      I'm not ranting about Amazon, just saying there's no guarantees when doing business. Amazon can shut a business down just as fast as Google, that's the price you pay when you use other peoples traffic, online or off-line.
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      • Profile picture of the author thatkeywordguy
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        there's no guarantees when doing business. Amazon can shut a business down just as fast as Google, that's the price you pay when you use other peoples traffic, online or off-line.
        ya that line where he talked about "Moving all my content to Amazon"

        that made me go hmm...

        Because, if you just read that sentence for what it is, you can see he is potentially making the same mistake that he made when he "put all his content on Google"

        e.g. relying on one company.

        I think the point though is that he's actually getting into lots of streams of income.

        Particularly focusing on his own product.

        Personally, I think he should bypass the so-called "kindle revolution" and just sell on-site instructional video courses on construction -- e.g. like Lynda.com does.

        And then, make an affiliate program.

        Then he wouldn't be dependent on much of anyone...
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        • Profile picture of the author JTzor
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          Looks like his site was better SEO'd circa ~ 2005
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          • Profile picture of the author thatkeywordguy
            Originally Posted by JTzor View Post

            Internet Archive Wayback Machine
            Looks like his site was better SEO'd circa ~ 2005

            i wonder why there was so much scraping on that particular year...
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  • Profile picture of the author paulgl
    Why do we feel the need to give this "genius yet" another
    backlink?!?! Isn't one thread enough?

    Hmmmm. Must be making money off that....genius!

    Getting warriors to post links...genius!

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  • Profile picture of the author thatkeywordguy
    I dont know who he is

    but i wrapped the link in a code tag anyway

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    I dont know who he is

    but i wrapped the link in a code tag anyway

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  • Profile picture of the author JeanneLynn
    I can't say I blame him. I'm not giving content away for free anymore. I cancelled my hosting with Hostgator and turned my content into an ebook. I made more on Amazon in 2 weeks than I did in 6 months with Adsense.
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      Originally Posted by JeanneLynn View Post

      I can't say I blame him. I'm not giving content away for free anymore. I cancelled my hosting with Hostgator and turned my content into an ebook. I made more on Amazon in 2 weeks than I did in 6 months with Adsense.
      Interesting. Glad to hear it worked out.
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    thats pretty intense...
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    sounds cool me too
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  • Profile picture of the author jbsmith
    I find this rather hilarious, back in the early 2000's I sat beside Tim (totally by accident) at a Yanik Silver Underground Seminar in D.C. - we talked all through dinner - me about infoproducts (my background) and him about content sites and Adsense.

    I recall at the time me sharing with him the huge potential he had to package his knowledge in the home improvement area into infoproducts, not too interested at that time.

    I checked in a couple years later and started to see that he was producing more videos and had his first product up for sale...hmmmm....

    Now, it's ALL about packaging his information into products...hate to say I told you so...but I told you so :-)

    Jeff
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    Cool story. I think info products is ultimately less google-dependent
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    Agreed, with the infoproduct model you can..

    1. Control the sources of traffic without limits that bring you revenue
    2. Leverage affiliates (focus on the ones that already have top Google position) and let them others try and keep up with the Google Dance and major shifts
    3. Transfer your content into whatever format is most popular at the time...for example, when I first wrote ebooks ebooks readers were nothing but a fantasy...now I use directories like Kindle as a lead generator
    4. You can go offline...I have one of my books offered in physical stores
    5. You can spin-off consulting and/or membership and/or coaching programs that are higher dollar with less customer acquisition cost
    6. You can license your content (I'm not a fan of producing full PLR, but have licensed pieces of my work in the past for very limited use (inside of specific private membership sites for example)

    Less dependent on Google, lots of extra opportunity for both traffic and distribution.

    Jeff
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  • Profile picture of the author thatkeywordguy
    Ya i've switched completely over to info products and email lists last year.
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    even one...
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    The site is now popular for its trafic drop and now gets some extra fresh trafic
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    I saw a guy working on a house today. He looked really out of breath, like he was out of practice.

    Do you think it was him?
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    i'm not sure lol
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