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Spun or Not Spun? Can You Tell Which One of These is Spun?

by wolfmmiii
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I thought I'd start a fun exercise. Which one is spun?

This one? (A)

The G570 is a newer laptop computer marketed by Lenovo. It's been available through Amazon since February. Based on the Lenovo G570 reviews I've looked at, this notebook appears to be designed mainly for the casual user since it provides features that are sufficient for things like Microsoft Word and Access.

For example, the Lenovo G570 4334DBU features 4GB of RAM, which is typical for a laptop built with the casual user in mind. Four gigabytes is often more than enough system memory for typical apps such as Microsoft Outlook and Excel. It also features a 500GB hard disk, which should be more than enough space for casual users who purchase this notebook computer. Processing power for this notebook is supplied by a 2.3GHz Intel Core i3-2350M CPU. Coupled with a 15.6" display, Lenovo has virtually guaranteed that buyers of this notebook see a fantastic picture. Whether you're a casual user or a student, the perfect picture of the Lenovo G570 4334DBU is sure to impress you.


...or this one? (B)

One of the latest releases from Toshiba is the Toshiba Satellite L755-S5169. This laptop became available online in the early part of 2012 and is currently selling for under $500 (at the time of this review). I've taken a look at the hardware features of the L755-S5169 and have come to the conclusion that this well-rounded laptop is best suited for the student or casual user. The business user will even find this laptop useful.

The primary features of the Toshiba Satellite L755-S5169 include the Intel i3 processor, a 640GB harddrive, and 4GB of installed DDR3 system memory. These specs are typical for most mid-tier laptops in this class. With these features, the Toshiba Satellite L755-S5169 can handle most everyday computing tasks. Although the Intel i3 processor is considered by some to be a high-end CPU, it is my opinion that it is only marginally so. The i5 and i7 class processors are, by far, more powerful. That said, the 2.3GHz i3 processor is plenty powerful for casual computing tasks and even some online RPG gaming.


...or NEITHER (C)

...or BOTH (D)

...or a little bit of both? (E)
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  • Profile picture of the author Carl Brown
    Nobody can tell when it's done right. But doing it right takes a lot of time. I'm not really sure it's worth it. For me, Dragon works much better.
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    • Profile picture of the author teachingking
      If you put a gun to my head, I'd have to do with A as the spun article. B has more voice.

      Originally Posted by Carl Brown View Post

      Nobody can tell when it's done right. But doing it right takes a lot of time. I'm not really sure it's worth it. For me, Dragon works much better.
      What is dragon?
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      • Profile picture of the author Carl Brown
        Sorry. Dragon Naturally Speaking. I just find it easier to talk to my computer to create content rather than spend the hours needed to do good spun content.
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        • Profile picture of the author dmtaylor247
          The second one, do you know how I know?, I put them both in copyscape and the second one came out with two blocks of text exactly the same. I managed to ascertain that the first block or something very similar possibly written by you appears on your niche amazon website..
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          • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
            Originally Posted by dmtaylor247 View Post

            The second one, do you know how I know?, I put them both in copyscape and the second one came out with two blocks of text exactly the same. I managed to ascertain that the first block or something very similar possibly written by you appears on your niche amazon website..
            That wasn't the point of the exercise. The point was to read both and try and determine which was spun.

            Since the poll has been compromised, I will tell you that A is the spun content.
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            • Profile picture of the author dmtaylor247
              Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

              That wasn't the point of the exercise. The point was to read both and try and determine which was spun.

              Since the poll has been compromised, I will tell you that A is the spun content.
              Of course they both read perfectly there is no way of guessing which one is spun content but now you say A is spun content? I'm very suprised, you fooled me even with copyscape tools.

              So what are you saying B is just copied original content? In all fairness you've probably proved a point, that it's harder than you think for Google or even a human to detect well spun content, copied content , content that has been rewritten and re published or quoted.

              In fact they could class copied and poorly rewritten content as spun content, penalising all the links on it and the website it links to.
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              • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
                Originally Posted by dmtaylor247 View Post

                Of course they both read perfectly there is no way of guessing which one is spun content but now you say A is spun content? I'm very suprised, you fooled me even with copyscape tools.

                So what are you saying B is just copied original content? In all fairness you've probably proved a point, that it's harder than you think for Google or even a human to detect well spun content, copied content , content that has been rewritten and re published or quoted.

                In fact they could class copied and poorly rewritten content as spun content, penalising all the links on it and the website it links to.
                Yep, B was just some copied content from one of my sites (with maybe a few modifications). With all of the debate lately about spinning and the assumption that it's all garbage, I thought it would be interesting to see the results.
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        • Profile picture of the author Certitude
          Originally Posted by Carl Brown View Post

          Sorry. Dragon Naturally Speaking. I just find it easier to talk to my computer to create content rather than spend the hours needed to do good spun content.
          I've used this technique a lot in the past. I find it really easy to read something and then use dictation software to put it into my own words. Of course this method is only useful for small amounts of content.

          There's no doubt that content can be spun to a high standard but it's something most of us haven't managed to master. Perhaps in the future as software gets smarter it will be impossible for spun content to be distinguished from original content.
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  • Profile picture of the author jimkirk1943
    Yeah it read perfect but what is your point we`ve not programed with googles algorithm so how would we know ? but google would

    Just wondering what you point is and yes it is a nice peice of spinning
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    • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
      Originally Posted by jimkirk1943 View Post

      Yeah it read perfect but what is your point we`ve not programed with googles algorithm so how would we know ? but google would

      Just wondering what you point is and yes it is a nice peice of spinning
      The point of the experiment was to see if humans can really tell the difference between spun content and human-written content. With all of the debate lately, I figured it would be neat to see the results.
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  • Profile picture of the author dmtaylor247
    Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

    The point of the experiment was to see if humans can really tell the difference between spun content and human-written content. With all of the debate lately, I figured it would be neat to see the results.
    The only thing I would say between the two is A is not as well structured, i.e; it tends to use the words "casual user" alot when, it could have been better structured and not repeating itself as much, perhaps a sign the sentences were written with different variations?

    In that case the second version flows alot better, no repeating and better grammer and better structured but other than that they both read perfectly.
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    • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
      Originally Posted by dmtaylor247 View Post

      The only thing I would say between the two is A is not as well structured, i.e; it tends to use the words "casual user" alot when, it could have been better structured and not repeating itself as much, perhaps a sign of writing the sentences with different variations?

      In that case the second version flows alot better, no repeating and better grammer and better structured but other than that they both read perfectly.
      Fair points. What I did in this case is use my very early spun content (much improved since then) so, yes, there is less of a voice in this spun content and some repeated words. But it did make the point that it can be very difficult (if not impossible) to know the difference.

      I have a back-end system in place that uses this type of spinning on some sites of mine. They have been consistent Amazon earners for some time now. They definitely take longer to setup but once I have the seed content setup, it takes me literally 5 minutes to spin up a 400-600 word review via some check-boxes, radio buttons, etc. As such, I can post upwards of 10-12 reviews per day in under an hour to one of these sites and they rank and convert.

      This is the power of properly prepared and spun content.
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  • Profile picture of the author LucyLane
    I probably would have said A as well just because it doesn't flow as naturally.

    Your point is a valid one, but it's not just about whether a human can tell the difference between spun content and original content. The bottom is really that any qualified human copywriter can write more engaging and overall better content then any spun article.

    What program did you use to spin the article? Did you really not touch the grammar and punctuation at all?
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    • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
      Originally Posted by LucyLane View Post

      I probably would have said A as well just because it doesn't flow as naturally.

      Your point is a valid one, but it's not just about whether a human can tell the difference between spun content and original content. The bottom is really that any qualified human copywriter can write more engaging and overall better content then any spun article.

      What program did you use to spin the article? Did you really not touch the grammar and punctuation at all?
      I have a proprietary back-end system built into some of my older review sites that allows me to do this stuff. It's actually a really slick combination of a few plugins that I tweaked. I really did not touch the grammar and punctuation at all. The newer sites have even better spinning.
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      • Profile picture of the author scottmacair
        The problem as i see it isn't so much with spun content but with autospun content.

        If you take the time to spin at word and sentence level while making sure every spin is readable then spinning can work.

        Scraping an article, hitting auto spin and firing out the results out to 500 sites just does not work anymore.
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        • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
          Originally Posted by scottmacair View Post

          The problem as i see it isn't so much with spun content but with autospun content.

          If you take the time to spin at word and sentence level while making sure every spin is readable then spinning can work.

          Scraping an article, hitting auto spin and firing out the results out to 500 sites just does not work anymore.
          I agree. However, lots of people don't (or won't) make the distinction. That's why I did this poll.
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  • Profile picture of the author dmtaylor247
    I though that you might have some sort of proprietary spinning system, as some of the text matched text from articles about different topics but it is very well done. That's why I overlooked the fact it could be spun content but just a similar writing style and instead determined the article that matched the topic of the copied page to be spun.
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  • Profile picture of the author mosthost
    The spun version looks better than 99% of the crap online
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  • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
    Anyone know how to close a poll? Now that the answer has been revealed, the results are obviously no longer valid.
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