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Not in top 200, even for long tail keywords with no competition

by nest28
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I was checking my sites rankings this morning due to extremely low traffic stats and found that my site is not ranking in top 200, for competitive keywords or low competition keywords.

There are no messages in webmasters or any other indication that would suggest a penalty is involved, the only thing I can think of is I haven't built any links, except a few social bookmarks.


My site has 186 articles/posts, made up of high, medium, and low competition keywords so it seems a bit strange that none of my articles are ranking in top 200.

On the other hand my site is still fairly new, but I'm thinking not backlinking is the main reason for my situation.

I'll be happy to hear any of your thoughts on this, especially anyone who's focusing more on content than backlinks.
#200 #competition #keywords #long #tail #top
  • Profile picture of the author Sillysoft
    This most likely wont help you but I have experienced the same thing with a site a few months back. It was getting traffic each day, over 100 uniques. Then one day it dropped to 10 uniques and to this day I dont get more than 2 uniques a day. I think its part of googles updates or it could be the google dance if your site was fairly new.
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  • Profile picture of the author linkbuildr
    Sounds like the algo updates caught your site in its...sights =/ It's pretty much a sign of your site was no good in the ol Googles eyes.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
    I started a mini-authority website a few months ago, similar size to your website right now... getting close to 4k daily uniques (except weekends) and growing. Most of the articles start somewhere on pages 2-5 for medium/low competition keywords.

    I have no idea why you'd just ignore link building? There's nothing better than a large brand footprint all over the internets.

    Google aren't sending out messages for Panda/Penguin affected sites right now, though I'm sure that in your case it doesn't matter (good sites and no backlinks).
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

    I was checking my sites rankings this morning due to extremely low traffic stats and found that my site is not ranking in top 200, for competitive keywords or low competition keywords.

    There are no messages in webmasters or any other indication that would suggest a penalty is involved, the only thing I can think of is I haven't built any links, except a few social bookmarks.


    My site has 186 articles/posts, made up of high, medium, and low competition keywords so it seems a bit strange that none of my articles are ranking in top 200.

    On the other hand my site is still fairly new, but I'm thinking not backlinking is the main reason for my situation.

    I'll be happy to hear any of your thoughts on this, especially anyone who's focusing more on content than backlinks.
    That's what I was saying in another thread, you can't just go cold turkey on external links. You have to have a few quality external links that keep Google constantly looking at one of your sites pages (one page at the very least).

    Be really picky about the external links & defiantly stay away from sites/services like fiverr. Nobody that knows SEO will build quality links for $4 (nobody).

    It doesn't take a lot of quality external links, but you have to get the ball rolling & get Google to constantly visit your page with the external links. Then branch off that page that's getting external links, with your own internal links pointing at the new pages.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
    Just 2-3 good links can push a well built page on a mini-authority site from pages 2-5 to page 1. I just don't get this "I won't build backlinks" philosophy. It's like ignoring any other aspect of running a business - accounting, admin, CMS updates... why would you?
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  • Profile picture of the author nest28
    "no backlinks" sounded like a good idea at the time lol. Getting penalized with the "unnatural links message" scared me straight, but no I see some back linking is required. I'm planning on investing a lot of time and money into this site, and I didn't want to jeopardize my site by building links.

    But damn, not in top 200 even for those long tail sentences that I use is crazy, I've never experienced this because in the past I always backlink right after buying the domain name, everything I'm doing right now is new to me, themed pages, no links etc.

    I'm still learning a great deal about seo,links and what google wants, so thank you very much for giving me the advice to run my business, I really do appreciate it.
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

      "no backlinks" sounded like a good idea at the time lol. Getting penalized with the "unnatural links message" scared me straight, but no I see some back linking is required. I'm planning on investing a lot of time and money into this site, and I didn't want to jeopardize my site by building links.

      But damn, not in top 200 even for those long tail sentences that I use is crazy, I've never experienced this because in the past I always backlink right after buying the domain name, everything I'm doing right now is new to me, themed pages, no links etc.

      I'm still learning a great deal about seo,links and what google wants, so thank you very much for giving me the advice to run my business, I really do appreciate it.
      You have to get Google constantly returning to at least one page on your site.

      It doesn't matter If it's a new site or an old site, Google has to keep returning to at least one of your sites pages & that's accomplished with external links.

      Forget all the link building you did on the old site & focus on a few quality links for a single page on the new site. Usually a higher PR external page will get crawled by Google at least once a day, that's exactly the type of link you want.

      Check the Google Cache dates on the external links that your considering to point at your own page, you want external links from pages that are constantly crawled by Google. If you see an external page with todays date on the Google Cache, awesome, get the link. It wouldn't hurt to double check that Google Cache date on two separate days (today & tomorrow) that way you'll know for sure Google keeps returning to that external backlink page.

      Also keep in mind, you don't want backlinks from external pages that have 100 outbound links.

      As you can see, the screenshot/link below have todays date (June 5, 2012). If I check that same Google Cache page tomorrow, that date will most likely read June 6, 2012. The more active Google is on the backlink page, the more active Google will be following the backlink from the same external page to your own sites page/s.

      IMO, any page on the net that constantly has a Google Cache date older than a week, isn't going to be very useful as a backlink.




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  • Profile picture of the author moneymoguls
    How old is the website?

    Backlinking could always result in the "Unnatural Links" scenario. Is it worth the risk?

    I lost all traffic to many blogs (15 or so) that I invested a lot of time and money in. I will not do that again. If a website is not 6 months old, I would not worry about traffic.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
      Originally Posted by moneymoguls View Post

      Backlinking could always result in the "Unnatural Links" scenario. Is it worth the risk?
      Build brand backlinks + high quality contextual links. There are so many great link opportunities out there and you're too scared to use them? Scared? Really?

      Good luck wasting months or even years not working on your business and just waiting for things to happen. A competitor can send 5000 spammy bookmark links to your site for around $50. Think.
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      • Profile picture of the author moneymoguls
        Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post

        Build brand backlinks + high quality contextual links. There are so many great link opportunities out there and you're too scared to use them? Scared? Really?

        Good luck wasting months or even years not working on your business and just waiting for things to happen. A competitor can send 5000 spammy bookmark links to your site for around $50. Think.
        Remember I did that (link building) before and it ruined my blogs. So why would I do it again? Yea, lets get lots of spammy links. That should get me #1 huh?

        I actually work on my business everyday but not link building.

        Wow...5000 spammy links for $50. What a deal!!! Been there...done that.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
          Originally Posted by moneymoguls View Post

          Remember I did that (link building) before and it ruined my blogs. So why would I do it again? Yea, lets get lots of spammy links. That should get me #1 huh?

          I actually work on my business everyday but not link building.

          Wow...5000 spammy links for $50. What a deal!!! Been there...done that.
          Reading comprehension fail much?
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          • Profile picture of the author moneymoguls
            Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post

            Reading comprehension fail much?
            Maybe you should take a writing class. Your question does not make sense.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
              Originally Posted by moneymoguls View Post

              Maybe you should take a writing class. Your question does not make sense.
              Sure it does, you know exactly what I mean. Go re-read my posts now.

              Lots of people lost rankings over the last few months. That's why we're all talking quality now, not quantity.

              You're jumping from one extreme to another - from going all out building **** backlinks to not building any links at all. Both approaches are dumb.

              tl;dr version - you should build backlinks, just be smart about it. The whole WEB is built on content/pages and links. That's not about to change.

              Just creating great content has never been a good approach. Focusing on content and content alone works in new, fast growing niches (technology, etc).
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              • Profile picture of the author moneymoguls
                Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post

                Sure it does, you know exactly what I mean. Go re-read my posts now.

                Lots of people lost rankings over the last few months. That's why we're all talking quality now, not quantity.

                You're jumping from one extreme to another - from going all out building **** backlinks to not building any links at all. Both approaches are dumb.

                tl;dr version - you should build backlinks, just be smart about it. The whole WEB is built on content/pages and links. That's not about to change.

                Just creating great content has never been a good approach. Focusing on content and content alone works in new, fast growing niches (technology, etc).
                How do you know that creating great content is not a good approach? Have you heard of TMZ? or how about Universe Today?

                Building backlinks is against Google's Webmaster Policy...so I should do it anyway? Selling drugs is illegal but if I do it Smart, it's ok?
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                • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
                  Originally Posted by moneymoguls View Post

                  Building backlinks is against Google's Webmaster Policy...so I should do it anyway? Selling drugs is illegal but if I do it Smart, it's ok?
                  Really now? You're comparing building backlinks to selling drugs?
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                • Profile picture of the author yukon
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                  Originally Posted by moneymoguls View Post

                  Building backlinks is against Google's Webmaster Policy...so I should do it anyway? Selling drugs is illegal but if I do it Smart, it's ok?
                  Licensed pharmacist sell drugs everyday, that's been going on for a while now.
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                  • Profile picture of the author dmtaylor247
                    Nest,

                    I started 2 sites recently, one in the health niche and that other one I showed you through Facebook. Anyway, after I deleted the other one I logged into my GWT account and saw Google had started ranking it for loads of good long tails.

                    The health site hasn't had anything, so I switched from the health site to the other one, I even got my first commision out of it this week as Google ranked it straight on the homepage for a moderately good keyword, I think maybe they have wiped out most of my competition.

                    The only problem is they are showing the blogger blog and not my custom domain (custom on page 15), but they are still re-indexing the site. Another issue I'm having is seeing alot of smaller sites ranking for the big terms and alot of the big content sites went down, I don't know whther this is just coincidence or they are deindexing loads of big content sites.

                    It's hard to write a good amount of content for this topic and escape the, "useless content penalty". I think I will just write 30 excellent articles and leave them in my sidebar and then 1000 search pages.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dragontech
    Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

    On the other hand my site is still fairly new, but I'm thinking not backlinking is the main reason for my situation.
    This should be the reason. I meant Google is still, and will still be using backlinks as the main metric to rank a site.

    Just don't be demotivated by all those updates and start building a diverse link profile and results should be seen pretty soon normally for those "very" long tails.
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  • Profile picture of the author moneymoguls
    As far as link building goes, I have done the xrumer blasts, profile links, forum posts, blog comments, directory links, link pyramids, article directories, Web 2.0, etc. All of this was a bust on ROI.

    There are 2 choices...go against Google or go with Google.
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  • Profile picture of the author moneymoguls
    As far as link building goes, I have done the xrumer blasts, profile links, forum posts, blog comments, directory links, link pyramids, article directories, Web 2.0, etc. All of this was a bust on ROI.

    There are 2 choices...go against Google or go with Google.

    Google knows that link building is a method of serp manipulation. It will stop it.

    I would hate to be making $5,000/month with several websites and then all of the sudden it stops. What do you do now? Start all over? That would suk.
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  • Profile picture of the author SeanWalker
    I'm having a similar issue. A site of mine which ranked for 5 keywords, 2 of them on the first page, has vanished from Google starting 4 days ago.
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  • Profile picture of the author retsek
    External links are still a gigantic part of how all this works.

    But with that said, I've launched large sites with just a link from Yahoo Directory and within a month they are pulling in thousands of uniques from long tail keywords.

    Content needs to be good and internal linking needs to make sense and be logical. Having just a regular chronological blog layout and a nav menu will not cut it.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Originally Posted by horst View Post

    yukon what kind of backlinks would you recommend and which type of links are really powerfull in your opinion for this purpose?
    The two things I look for is:
    • The page title on the backlink page is relevant (same niche, not necessarily same keyword)
    • The backlink page is active with Google bots (Cache date)

    Most times a higher PR page that is active with Google bots, will show the Google Cache date being updated regularly.

    Low quality links like profiles, etc... will be lucky to have Google re-cache the page in a few months, those are junk links (don't waste your time).

    The way I look at a backlink page is, If Google bots don't care enough to return constantly, it's not a very good backlink source, skip that backlink/page & keep looking.

    If you have 10 external backlinks that each get re-cached once a week, that's a decent link profile for a single page on your site. Each of the 10 external backlinks would get re-indexed on separate dates/times of the same week.

    With a quality link profile like that, Google is guaranteed to see your relevant link multiple times in the same week from different backlink sources.

    Remember, you don't have to use external links on every single page of the site. Use external links to keep Google bots constantly returning to the site, then branch off the page that has the external links pointing at it, with internal links to multiple related pages.

    Keep everything relevant to the sites niche.
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    • Profile picture of the author AlphaWarrior
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      The two things I look for is:
      • The page title on the backlink page is relevant (same niche, not necessarily same keyword)
      • The backlink page is active with Google bots (Cache date)

      Most times a higher PR page that is active with Google bots, will show the Google Cache date being updated regularly.

      Low quality links like profiles, etc... will be lucky to have Google re-cache the page in a few months, those are junk links (don't waste your time).

      The way I look at a backlink page is, If Google bots don't care enough to return constantly, it's not a very good backlink source, skip that backlink/page & keep looking.

      If you have 10 external backlinks that each get re-cached once a week, that's a decent link profile for a single page on your site. Each of the 10 external backlinks would get re-indexed on separate dates/times of the same week.

      With a quality link profile like that, Google is guaranteed to see your relevant link multiple times in the same week from different backlink sources.

      Remember, you don't have to use external links on every single page of the site. Use external links to keep Google bots constantly returning to the site, then branch off the page that has the external links pointing at it, with internal links to multiple related pages.

      Keep everything relevant to the sites niche.
      Yukon, this may sound stupid, but I'll ask anyway. Where do you find these pages on which to place a link and how do you place a link on the pages? Do you use blog comments? Do you just reply on forums? Any help will be greatly appreciated.

      Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author johnben1444
    Great post from Yukon.

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  • Profile picture of the author moneymoguls
    We all know Google is on the warpath with backlinks...so should we continue and hope for the best or do something else to get traffic?

    It just doesn't seem smart to continue backlinking when there is significant risk.

    Remember when Google nailed JCPenney for backlinking?
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  • Profile picture of the author nest28
    I have to say, not building links at all was a mistake, like Yukon said just go after links in the same niche, that get's cached daily.

    I will finish the internal linking I started last week before I add anymore content. At the same time I will start building links. It shouldn't take much to change my current situation, once the link building process begins I should see a change soon.

    Once again thanks for all of your advice.

    Yukon I know what you mean about having Google visit your site often, in the past if I were to post a article it would be indexed in seconds. By the time I closed out blogger and open up a new tab to check if my post was indexed, it would already be there.
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    • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
      Ya know, I still have very little problem ranking my product based amazon sites with nothing more than social bookmarking. Granted my strategy is very different than most, maybe google looks at product sites differently than info sites???
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      • Profile picture of the author nest28
        Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

        Ya know, I still have very little problem ranking my product based amazon sites with nothing more than social bookmarking. Granted my strategy is very different than most, maybe google looks at product sites differently than info sites???
        In the past I didn't have to do anything to those posts with titles in question form, probably because all those sites had a nice amount of links.

        I thought they ranked because there was no competition, but now I see it was a combo of no competition and the fact that those sites were powered by backlinks.
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        • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
          Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

          In the past I didn't have to do anything to those posts with titles in question form, probably because all those sites had a nice amount of links.

          I thought they ranked because there was no competition, but now I see it was a combo of no competition and the fact that those sites were powered by backlinks.
          The only backlinking I do when I post a new review is social bookmark to a few services, Digg, and auto-tweet.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
            Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

            The only backlinking I do when I post a new review is social bookmark to a few services, Digg, and auto-tweet.
            Yea, but you do this every time an article is posted, so it adds up.

            I have a growing twitter account attached to my website and tweet every new post + rebuild sitemap automatically. New pages get indexed within a few hours, sometimes half a day...

            The easiest way to get niche relevant backlinks is by commenting on related news sites/blogs. Comment on new stories - those pages gain PR pretty fast. Most of these sites only require the first comment to be approved, after that it's all auto-approve. Write valuable comments and don't drop links in the comment body (link from your username, without keywords).

            Guest posting opportunities are surprisingly easy to land, especially when you have a professional looking site with hundreds of pages. When people check out your 200 page site it might as well be a 2000 page site - they can't tell the difference. All they know is that it's a high quality, authority site.

            There are services that can sign you up for 50+ social profiles on all possible business platforms. If your website is branded, that's a very good option. Google bots love these profiles, as long as you sort of stay active, log in and post something legit from time to time.

            Don't be scared - go join 5 or 10 high quality social bookmarking websites and post about your best articles there. That's a totally legit way to get backlinks and visitors. Friend some people on those sites, join relevant groups, etc.

            It's much easier than you think, but don't just focus on content...

            edit: most people never do the above mentioned things, but that's really all it takes to make good money (plus great content and good site structure, of course).
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      • Profile picture of the author dmtaylor247
        Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

        Ya know, I still have very little problem ranking my product based amazon sites with nothing more than social bookmarking. Granted my strategy is very different than most, maybe google looks at product sites differently than info sites???
        I read somewhere quite a while ago that Google can detect and likes pages that are having this "conversation" and constantly evolving and developing a consistant and natural deep link ratio and internal linking. I don't really think it matters whether it's off site or on site. I guess you develop a few pages bookmark them, develop a few more then bookmark again? it's the same thing really, consistancy is the key.
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  • Profile picture of the author nest28
    Here's a little more info on my site.

    6 weeks old

    0 backlinks

    186 posts

    Blogger custom domain

    Few internal links

    Daily visitors- 0 to 20
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  • Profile picture of the author dmtaylor247
    I don't know what it is, but the health niche seems harder to me than I first thought, i bet if you tried with a few different domains and areas one would kick off better. I'm suprised considering how tough the other niche is that i've even got impressions. I wrote loads of posts for that health site that were low competition and panda friendly but the seo posts on the other site did the trick. One thing I did do was start the site off with loads of posts highly focused around certain keywords with good internal linking and seo, Google picked it up and ranked almost immediately.
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    • Profile picture of the author CatherineMay
      Originally Posted by dmtaylor247 View Post

      I don't know what it is, but the health niche seems harder to me than I first thought, i bet if you tried with a few different domains and areas one would kick off better. I'm suprised considering how tough the other niche is that i've even got impressions. I wrote loads of posts for that health site that were low competition and panda friendly but the seo posts on the other site did the trick. One thing I did do was start the site off with loads of posts highly focused around certain keywords with good internal linking and seo, Google picked it up and ranked almost immediately.
      Do you have any guidelines to offer regarding "good internal linking?"
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      • Profile picture of the author dmtaylor247
        Originally Posted by CatherineMay View Post

        Do you have any guidelines to offer regarding "good internal linking?"
        Just develop conversational posts. So your next post will contain at least 1/2 keywords from your 5 previous posts and link to the most relevant pages. I don't link pages up with exact keywords I just make it flow naturally. It's good to start a topic and each post on your site is like a new chapter all different but somehow related and linked together.
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        • Profile picture of the author CatherineMay
          Originally Posted by dmtaylor247 View Post

          Just develop conversational posts. So your next post will contain at least 1/2 keywords from your 5 previous posts and link to the most relevant pages. I don't link pages up with exact keywords I just make it flow naturally. It's good to start a topic and each post on your site is like a new chapter all different but somehow related and linked together.
          Are you saying that half the keywords on any given post should drawn from the five previous posts? And if you have posts in categories or parent/child pages, then you would do the same within those categories or groupings?
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          • Profile picture of the author dmtaylor247
            Originally Posted by CatherineMay View Post

            Are you saying that half the keywords on any given post should drawn from the five previous posts? And if you have pages in categories or parent/child pages, then do the same within those categories?
            It doesn't need to come from the last 5 posts, it can be anything you feel fits nicely. For example: every 20 pages I will go over my older posts and find keywords for my newer posts, if I find any then I link it to my newer posts. Linking up pages in the same categories would make sense as they are more related.

            Internal linking is really important now, especially if you're doing very little external backlinking. If you haven't got many internal links then this will definately affect your ranking. There are natural ratios for internal/external links so keep this is mind when link building both on page and off page.
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  • Profile picture of the author dennis09
    Hey nest, keep doing what you are doing, this method does work. Ive been using this same strategy since learning about it Rusty Moore's fitness mastermind group and ive been through similar situations as yours.

    Although I cannot comment on EXACTLY what caused your traffic to drop, I did notice you mentioned that you just started internal linking a few weeks ago. Making these types of changes on a new site (only 6 weeks old) tends to trigger these types of dances, its still too early to tell whats going on. I would strongly encourage you to keep focusing on your content and then reevaluate at the 6 month mark to determine if and what you should backlink.

    After 6 months i go back and backlink posts that are already close to page 1 rankings. And when I do backlink I NEVER use the exact match anchor.

    @Catherine: Although your question wasn't directed at me, id like to add that just like my external backlinks, I never target a post with exact match internal anchors. Yet I do make sure the exact text falls within a longtail phrase. For example,

    keyword: "glute activation"
    internal anchor: "One of my best glute activation exercises" OR "Glute activation techniques for beginners"
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    • Profile picture of the author nest28
      Originally Posted by dennis09 View Post

      Hey nest, keep doing what you are doing, this method does work. Ive been using this same strategy since learning about it Rusty Moore's fitness mastermind group and ive been through similar situations as yours.

      Although I cannot comment on EXACTLY what caused your traffic to drop, I did notice you mentioned that you just started internal linking a few weeks ago. Making these types of changes on a new site (only 6 weeks old) tends to trigger these types of dances, its still too early to tell whats going on. I would strongly encourage you to keep focusing on your content and then reevaluate at the 6 month mark to determine if and what you should backlink.

      After 6 months i go back and backlink posts that are already close to page 1 rankings. And when I do backlink I NEVER use the exact match anchor.

      @Catherine: Although your question wasn't directed at me, id like to add that just like my external backlinks, I never target a post with exact match internal anchors. Yet I do make sure the exact text falls within a longtail phrase. For example,

      keyword: "glute activation"
      internal anchor: "One of my best glute activation exercises" OR "Glute activation techniques for beginners"
      Well I wasn't getting that much traffic to begin with, just around 15 to 25, but now it's more like 0 to 20. I think I need to relax, this site is only 6 weeks old, with 0 backlinks, most likely that is the problem.

      Easiest solution is to start backlinking.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
    Another thing. Getting involved on relevant forums is a great way to get visitors and backlinks. But it's pretty time consuming, so you have to be smart about it (ROI).
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  • Profile picture of the author mosthost
    I agree with the last two posters. You should stick with consistently updating content, social bookmarking every posts, and relevant blog comments. That strategy works very well for new sites and won't cause penalties.
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  • Profile picture of the author computermesh
    NEST I usually purchase a single back link to each of my sites and I usually don't have a problem. It's a PR 7. Guy gives me a good price and I tell him my niche and he gets me the link. If I'm in an odd ball niche, sometimes may take a week to find a relevant site to get me a link from but that's what I've been doing.
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  • Profile picture of the author nest28
    I've gotten a couple messages from people who followed my other threads and started to build sites like me, don't worry this method works, you just have to do some backlinking. Building a large site with hundred of useful articles will never be a bad idea, I just found out that in addition to building the content , you also need to build links.
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  • Profile picture of the author SeanWalker
    Any luck today? I had one site that was out of serp's for the past 5 days come back strong today and another site that was out a few weeks come back today as well.
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    • Profile picture of the author nest28
      Originally Posted by SeanWalker View Post

      Any luck today? I had one site that was out of serp's for the past 5 days come back strong today and another site that was out a few weeks come back today as well.
      No change, but I don't think there will be any changes until I get links flowing to this site.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
        Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

        No change, but I don't think there will be any changes until I get links flowing to this site.
        Or one of your articles goes viral. Just keep adding content and hoping for the best. :p

        Had to.
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        • Profile picture of the author nest28
          Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post

          Or one of your articles goes viral. Just keep adding content and hoping for the best. :p

          Had to.
          Sometimes your post can be very informative and even helpful, those are the ones I like. Other times you seem to enjoy leaving sarcastic comments for no reason, I already admitted to making a mistake by not backlinking , and even suggest that everyone create some links, but to just be careful as to what kind of links you build.

          So why are you implying that all I will do is sit around hoping for the best, , you made the same type of comments to another wf member earlier on in this thread, telling him he doesn't have good reading comprehension skills.

          If you want to get your point across fine, but chill with all the sarcasm, and insults.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
            Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

            Sometimes your post can be very informative and even helpful, those are the ones I like. Other times you seem to enjoy leaving sarcastic comments for no reason, I already admitted to making a mistake by not backlinking , and even suggest that everyone create some links, but to just be careful as to what kind of links you build.

            So why are you implying that all I will do is sit around hoping for the best, , you made the same type of comments to another wf member earlier on in this thread, telling him he doesn't have good reading comprehension skills.

            If you want to get your point across fine, but chill with all the sarcasm, and insults.
            Well, that'd be because he chose to ignore all of the advice given to him and was simply repeating his "no backlinking" mantra. There's far too much misinformation, paranoia and useless advice in general on this forum.

            I'm sorry that you feel insulted, I never intended it that way. Point taken and I'll take my sarcasm elsewhere in the future.

            So... back to regular programming now folks.
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  • Profile picture of the author jason113
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    • Profile picture of the author nest28
      Originally Posted by jason113 View Post

      It seems you did not build quality backlink for your site. I suggest you to build some quality backlink with high PR for low competitive keywords. Wait for 2-3 days until google index your backlink. Hopefully you will see your result.
      I haven't built any links, which I'll admit was a mistake on my part, I still don't believe in building links by the hundreds, but a few quality links a day should be fine, in a few weeks after I've built some new links all report any progress.


      Most of my efforts will always be focused on content and on page seo, but these things need to be powered by good links.
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  • Profile picture of the author replicontimesheet
    Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

    I was checking my sites rankings this morning due to extremely low traffic stats and found that my site is not ranking in top 200, for competitive keywords or low competition keywords.

    There are no messages in webmasters or any other indication that would suggest a penalty is involved, the only thing I can think of is I haven't built any links, except a few social bookmarks.


    My site has 186 articles/posts, made up of high, medium, and low competition keywords so it seems a bit strange that none of my articles are ranking in top 200.

    On the other hand my site is still fairly new, but I'm thinking not backlinking is the main reason for my situation.

    I'll be happy to hear any of your thoughts on this, especially anyone who's focusing more on content than backlinks.
    First of all, are you sure that the content on your website is genuine or fresh?

    Check it and remove if there are any duplicated content. If possible add fresh and genuine content with some targeted keywords in it.

    The next thing you must be doing is to build some links to your website, I mean back links. Back links definitely gets you keyword ranking.
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    • Profile picture of the author nest28
      Originally Posted by replicontimesheet View Post

      First of all, are you sure that the content on your website is genuine or fresh?

      Check it and remove if there are any duplicated content. If possible add fresh and genuine content with some targeted keywords in it.

      The next thing you must be doing is to build some links to your website, I mean back links. Back links definitely gets you keyword ranking.

      All content is unique and made specifically for this site.
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  • Profile picture of the author somnia
    Hi Nest did you see improvement in serp for your website? I think I have the same problem - website 3,5 month old with almost 200 articles, very few external links and internal linking. I have some organic traffic for long tail keywords but not enough for so much content.
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  • Profile picture of the author shrutirathore
    i think that you need to work on directory submission and blog commenting....
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