Is it wise for a newbie to start doing Adsense after all the recent bans?

12 years ago

Hi avirdi1987, It is now a lot harder to be excepted into the adsense program. You did not state if you had an adsense account already but I take that you have not.
I would suggest that you apply for an account and see if you get accepted. There is now a human review of your website so if the one you put forward for assessment passes the test it is likely that you are doing nothing against the rules.
If accepted you can then add adsense to any of your other sites provided you are happy they also follow the quality guidelines. Hope this helps.

Jim

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avirdi1987 12 years ago

Thanks for your reply! I have an Adsense account in the name of my family (my older brother dabbled once in the past with Adsense but he's given me his account), so that's already set to go.

Here's what's weird about the quality issue. The guys I gave examples of were not banned because of quality problems even though some of them said that the sites were average at best, but it was actually for invalid clicks.. which just made no sense :S. I'm thinking it has something to do with the number of sites you have but I can't be sure, which is why I was wondering if I should build to 40 and then reinvest the profits into something else.
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- jamaks 12 years ago
  
  No expert on adsense but am fairly certain that the number of sites will have no ill effect as long as each of those sites conform to the guidelines.
  
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  daweelmac 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by jamaks
  
  No expert on adsense but am fairly certain that the number of sites will have no ill effect as long as each of those sites conform to the guidelines.
  
  Jim
  
  In addition, it was stated by Google that you can place your adsense block of codes to any websites (regardless how many), as long as those sites follows their TOS.
  
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bfas

12 years ago

Hello Avirdi,

About 35% of our revenue comes from Adsense, and has for many years. We also have thousands of people following our strategies, a very high percentage of whom do well.

The bottom line is this: If you treat Adsense as a business, and do it 'right', then you can do very well. If you look for 'shortcuts', near-term gains at the expense of quality, or engage in black hat or questionable practices, it will almost certainly bite you.

Michael

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paulgl 12 years ago

Your mistaking a handful for any meaning.

There are probably millions using adsense. A handful
of people whining about a ban means nothing.

Just look at the WF. You'd think there was an epidemic.
There isn't. Real people maintain their adsense accounts
with no problem. It just looks skewed because people
come here to whine.

But I'll bet for everyone who comes here and cries about
a ban, there's 1,000 here who never worry.

Stop looking at tidbits that mean nothing.

There is no reason to not start adsense.

There is no reason to fear a ban.

I wish it was, case closed.

(On a side note, you'd think sites that dropped from
penguin were just zillions, judging by the threads.
Aint so. And for every site that dropped, one got
lifted. But people don't come here in droves to
brag about how their site went up. They come
here to whine.)

Paul
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Mantasmo

12 years ago

Build good websites, don't buy traffic, have proper terms/privacy/contact pages and don't click on your own ads. That's about it.

Displaying Adsense on "low quality" pages (Google send out Webmaster Tools messages for these, have been since 2009 or earlier) can get your Adsense account banned (not immediately though). Most people don't know this, because they don't use GWT. Seen this happen myself.

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Dayes

12 years ago

What do three of these banned publishers have in common? Mini niche websites. They were banned for a good reason.

If you stick to the rules, you won't get banned.

The recent banwave of Adsense accounts has mostly been for publishers in Pakistan, who were creating thousands of tech spam blogs.

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avirdi1987 12 years ago

Thanks for all your help guys. Trouble is, the couple of Adsense courses that I have both recommend building micro niche sites of around 10-15 pages of unique content....... just to clarify, those will get me banned too??

I'm talking 10-15 pages of unique content averaging around 500-700 words, all centred around a small niche. This would also get flagged?

If so, what kind of site should we be building anyway and has someone come across a tutorial for this?
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AmazeMe

Banned 12 years ago

Google has been banning above-board blogs and sites now for a long time.

And it's getting worse.

My suggestion is to ignore Google. There are MUCH more profitable ways to monetize your site.

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Chrisbroholm

12 years ago

Don't listen to the apocalyptic people ITT, just follow the rules and you can build 1 page sites if you please. The bigger site the better chance you have of ranking for multiple keywords, but there is no correlation between site sizes and being penalized.

Just make sure you conform to the TOS and you should be fine, if not you will receive a warning before the ban in most cases.

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Offline Doctor

12 years ago

It's not a real, long term strategy. Why anyone wants to build a business that is controlled by someone else is beyond me.

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avirdi1987 12 years ago

So you guys think I'll be OK if I create niche authority sites (sites with 10-15 pages of unique content - 500+ words on each)?

Also, my sentiments exactly to the person who said why someone would trust another organisation. But, it's only for a short while (maybe until the end of the year) after which I would like to reinvest into other ventures.

If someone could please answer my questions on whether 10-15 pages is suitable per website or not, lol. Thanks.

P.S: 1 page thin sites get banned super easily from what I've read. Who knows, it's probably those that the bloggers above were making.
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Chrisbroholm

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Offline Doctor

It's not a real, long term strategy. Why anyone wants to build a business that is controlled by someone else is beyond me.

Isn't every single business controlled by someone else? If I'm selling grapes down at the local fruit & veg market am I not controlled by the importer? The City Council, the local police and the customers?

If I'm building a business based on diet supplements am I not at the mercy of the FDA, review sites and the supplier? If any link in that chain fails my business takes a huge turn for the worse.

I don't get why people think that building a business based on the opportunities provided by Google is so far fetched, frankly I think its quite brilliant, as the barriers to entry are low and the costs are equally low.

Sure you are at the mercy of algorithmic changes and what have you, but as long as you stick to the rules I see it no differently than any other business.

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Offline Doctor

12 years ago

No, my business is controlled by me. You make a poor analogy. Continue to try and game Google and you'll be like many of the warriors here who keep crying about their business being wiped out overnight.

You must be very young because you have no real perspective. Experience counts.

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Isn't every single business controlled by someone else? If I'm selling grapes down at the local fruit & veg market am I not controlled by the importer? The City Council, the local police and the customers?

If I'm building a business based on diet supplements am I not at the mercy of the FDA, review sites and the supplier? If any link in that chain fails my business takes a huge turn for the worse.

I don't get why people think that building a business based on the opportunities provided by Google is so far fetched, frankly I think its quite brilliant, as the barriers to entry are low and the costs are equally low.

Sure you are at the mercy of algorithmic changes and what have you, but as long as you stick to the rules I see it no differently than any other business.

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Chrisbroholm

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Offline Doctor

No, my business is controlled by me. You make a poor analogy. Continue to try and game Google and you'll be like many of the warriors here who keep crying about their business being wiped out overnight.

You must be very young because you have no real perspective. Experience counts.

My business is controlled by me as well, whats your point? Are you saying that your business somehow has no dependable links that could cause your business to stall or even break down? If that's the case then I salute you.

I never said anything about Gaming Google. In fact my sole purpose with my websites is to offer valuable content to the readers and answer any questions you might have. Google is my friend and the way its structured right now.

If Google went out of business tomorrow and shut down their search engine I would expand sites that can be expanded and start bringing in traffic from alternative sources like social traffic, forum links, press releases, article submissions or even paid advertising.

The point is the business model is not "rank easy on google make millions" the business model is build websites that help people and get traffic to them by the most economical and easiest mean. Which at the moment is by optimizing for Google. Not overdoing it or using any grey/blackhat techniques, simply optimizing.

I appreciate you replying, but please try to keep your posts polite and with substance. Simply calling me out as a young kid and saying that experience counts, whilst not providing any counterarguments simply makes you look ignorant.

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Offline Doctor

12 years ago

If you think Google (organic) is a reliable source of revenue then you need to see a shrink.

One of the first things I teach my Offline clients is not to be dependent upon any one traffic source. Newspaper advertising, Yellow Pages, Val Pak, SEO, PPC, etc...

If you have never worked with offline businesses you would be amazed how many depend 100% upon one traffic source, amazing.

I can create traffic for my clients via online or offline. If you are going to rely on 3rd party vendors, better to use Paid advertising. That is the only true consistent way to bring reliable traffic. SEO is not reliable.

I can point out to you many people who have used all whitehat techniques with Google and still got screwed post Panda and Penguin, and now Google Places.

"Google is your Friend," OMG, stop drinking the kool-aid kid. Quit being so naive.

Originally Posted by Chrisbroholm

My business is controlled by me as well, whats your point? Are you saying that your business somehow has no dependable links that could cause your business to stall or even break down? If that's the case then I salute you.

I never said anything about Gaming Google. In fact my sole purpose with my websites is to offer valuable content to the readers and answer any questions you might have. Google is my friend and the way its structured right now.

If Google went out of business tomorrow and shut down their search engine I would expand sites that can be expanded and start bringing in traffic from alternative sources like social traffic, forum links, press releases, article submissions or even paid advertising.

The point is the business model is not "rank easy on google make millions" the business model is build websites that help people and get traffic to them by the most economical and easiest mean. Which at the moment is by optimizing for Google. Not overdoing it or using any grey/blackhat techniques, simply optimizing.

I appreciate you replying, but please try to keep your posts polite and with substance. Simply calling me out as a young kid and saying that experience counts, whilst not providing any counterarguments simply makes you look ignorant.

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Chrisbroholm

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Offline Doctor

If you think Google (organic) is a reliable source of revenue then you need to see a shrink.

One of the first things I teach my Offline clients is not to be dependent upon any one traffic source. Newspaper advertising, Yellow Pages, Val Pak, SEO, PPC, etc...

If you have never worked with offline businesses you would be amazed how many depend 100% upon one traffic source, amazing.

I can create traffic for my clients via online or offline. If you are going to rely on 3rd party vendors, better to use Paid advertising. That is the only true consistent way to bring reliable traffic. SEO is not reliable.

I can point out to you many people who have used all whitehat techniques with Google and still got screwed post Panda and Penguin, and now Google Places.

"Google is your Friend," OMG, stop drinking the kool-aid kid. Quit being so naive.

Sorry, I give up. You are stubborn, arrogant and offensive. I'd like to defer my arguments to the very well written posts of Paul and Yukon below.

Have a nice day.

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avirdi1987 12 years ago

Guys as much as I appreciate all of the comments, could someone please tell me what they guess would be a good amount of content for each of my sites?

The guide I'm following suggests that 10+ pages with unique content is enough to stand a chance, as something of that size qualifies more as a niche authority site. I'd like some opinions on this please.

I definitely want to get started with something, even if Adsense bans me down the line. But all I want to know is, if I concentrate on 10+ pages per site, will that give me a better chance?

Thanks again for all the comments. We have a lot of passionate people here!
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Offline Doctor

12 years ago

No. I'm experienced, successful, and learned from my mistakes. You have not. I say continue on with using 3rd parties as your main source of income, this is what all successful companies do. :rolleyes:

You obviously only want to hear from people who agree with you. Remember my statements when it all comes crashing down one day.

Originally Posted by Chrisbroholm

Sorry, I give up. You are stubborn, arrogant and offensive. I'd like to defer my arguments to the very well written posts of Paul and Yukon below.

Have a nice day.

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Marketing Fool

12 years ago

Hey,

Don't worry about it...just start building! If you get banned, there are ways to open a new account under a different company name.

You can second guess things forever, or you can put your head down and just start building...I recommend building.

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