Google Penalization on the Homepage (Google Penguin related?)

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I have a website that received most of backlinks on the homepage.

If i search the first paragraph of the homepage on google with the query:

site:www.mywebsite.ext "First paragraph text"

...the homepage is the last result on google results.

The curious thing is that the main keyword of the homepage is ranking first on Google but the other secondary keywords of the homepage have lost something like 10-20 positions and after some campaign they are dancing too much.

What do you think about this? It will be sufficient to increase the links of internal pages?
#google #homepage #penalization #penguin #related
  • Profile picture of the author dmtaylor247
    It could be you've received some sort of penalty for your homepage on your secondary keywords.. go ahead and build diverse internal links and branded.com links to your homepage. You may be borderline suspect to Google.. unless your site is quite new.
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  • Profile picture of the author ITmarck
    The website is 1 year old
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    • Profile picture of the author dmtaylor247
      Originally Posted by ITmarck View Post

      The website is 1 year old
      It really depends on your individual site now. Seo is becoming a very diverse subject and there are lots of things that can affect websites.

      It could be panda has filtered the site (they refreshed a few days ago), but no one here will know for sure unless they look through the site in detail, so that's what you need to do.

      Check your anchor text distribution with tools like opensiteexplorer.com and check your onpage for duplicate content issues, lack of substantial original content and too many ads above the fold and any other onsite quality issues what could be easily filtered out by Google like too many links or stuffed content in the footer.

      You site could fit a profile Google aren't liking so make it as unique as possible, including the backlinking.
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  • Profile picture of the author ITmarck
    I built custom tool to manage link building campaigns and I am using only original content.

    The 80-90% of links linking the homepage but there is a good anchortext diversity.

    The question is: Google may penalize a page just because it has the most links?I t does not seem a valid criterion
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    • Profile picture of the author dmtaylor247
      Originally Posted by ITmarck View Post

      I built custom tool to manage link building campaigns and I am using only original content.

      The 80-90% of links linking the homepage but there is a good anchortext diversity.

      The question is: Google may penalize a page just because it has the most links?I t does not seem a valid criterion
      Yes I believe they can, without some sort of deep link ratio if you have say 400/1000 links with zero links to your internal pages it could be a problem.

      I've seen sites affected by penguin that had 100% links to their homepage, no brand.com links but all of their links where nearly unique. 8000 in total with different but similar anchors. They dropped around 5 pages, not alot in comparison to sites with 90% exact anchors but still an issue.

      In terms of your link building campaigns you could be reaching bordline - not using enough branded terms or some of your keywords may be a little aggressive or perhaps you are not rotating enough keywords, like building 5 links with one and 10 with the other, you need to rotate them heavily. Also you could have too many links and not enough anchor text variety, if you have 200 links then 75% of them need to be unique.

      From what you've said it seems like the issue and you know the answer.. Just build a few deeplinks, add more secondary, branded and generic keywords to your homepage.
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      • Profile picture of the author ITmarck
        And also what is a good average of links on the homepage, 70% or less?
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        • Profile picture of the author dmtaylor247
          Originally Posted by ITmarck View Post

          And also what is a good average of links on the homepage, 70% or less?
          Some sites (blogs) only have around 10% and 90% are to their internal pages but everysite is different so don't worry about it too much. As long as you have something there.

          If you have alot of links to your homepage and still want to continue ranking it. It could be a good idea to build several internal pages, backlink them and then using and internal silo structure to link to your homepage.

          So build a mini link pyramid inside your website using your internal pages with the top one being your homepage and then backlink them up, the value will be passed up to your homepage.

          IMO this is how most sites should rank, with good deeplinks and internal linking...
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by ITmarck View Post

      I built custom tool to manage link building campaigns and I am using only original content.

      The 80-90% of links linking the homepage but there is a good anchortext diversity.

      The question is: Google may penalize a page just because it has the most links?I t does not seem a valid criterion

      No, Google does not just punish sites for a large percentage of links coming to their homepage. If they did, 95% of small businesses wouldn't rank for anything. A local lawyer, dentist office, plumber, etc... Nobody is linking to their internal pages.

      Now there could be other criteria. Maybe if a site has 1000 pages and 90% of the links are to the homepage, they see that as an issue. I don't know. I have not researched that.
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      • Profile picture of the author ITmarck
        I've 224 indexed pages (this number includes also tag pages - wordpress site)
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  • Profile picture of the author dmtaylor247
    If it's a blog then it could look a little weird, but it's not a major issue. It's more likely to be your aggressive link building. You need need to randomize it. When Google discover your links most of them need to be unique anchors pointed to all different types of pages on your site.

    Your better off building 30 random anchor low quality links to random pages and then one high pagerank link with your keyword to your homepage, you will get alot more movement.

    When you build links and you are not seeing any movement in the serps then your know that Google are discounting them, by making things as random as possible Google will give more weight to your links.

    If you look at some of the big whitehat companies like insurance, some of them haven't even got a link to their homepage with the keyword but they still manage to rank on the first page. Perhaps because they are building links via press to their internal pages and then using internal linking? don't under estimate it, as it works so try it out..

    Build links to your internal pages and then categorise them in order of importance, then link them all up in a authoritive structure with the last one being your homepage with your keywords.. Matt Cutts regards whitehat seo as good onpage seo, so make sure you have this covered, good internal linking vs external linking - homepage links vs deeplinks - good rich content and plenty of brand links and anchor text variety.
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  • Profile picture of the author ITmarck
    So for example, build links on internal page and link internal pages to the home with the anchor text to transfer the link juice of internal page to the home.. it's such an "Internal link building campaign", very interesting!
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    • Profile picture of the author dmtaylor247
      Originally Posted by ITmarck View Post

      So for example, build links on internal page and link internal pages to the home with the anchor text to transfer the link juice of internal page to the home.. it's such an "Internal link building campaign", very interesting!
      You could build them up in a silo structure of related pages:

      Post6=>
      ----------Post3=>
      Post7=>---------- Post1=>
      ----------Post4=>---------Homepage
      Post8=> ----------Post2=>
      ----------Post5=>
      Post9=>

      and then link post 1/2 to your homepage with your keyword and build loads of high pagerank backlinks to your internal pages. It doesn't really matter what the anchor txt is then... you just want the pagerank traveling up to posts 1&2. Do this for every group of similar posts you have on your site, putting the more competitive ones closer to the homepage. If your rankings can come from your internal pages and deep links then yes it will look alot more natural...
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  • Profile picture of the author ITmarck
    I was thinking about doing social bookmarking to internal pages, it could be a good and simple solution?
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    • Profile picture of the author dmtaylor247
      Originally Posted by ITmarck View Post

      I was thinking about doing social bookmarking to internal pages, it could be a good and simple solution?
      Yeah they definately have their uses but they won't provide a ton of pagerank.

      If you site has useful content like tutorials then the internal pages are more likely to be bookmarked than the homepage and the opposite is true when you find a small site or an ecommerce store. Sometimes people will even bookmark your internal pages with your brand.com link as the title...

      If you look at your anchors and your brand.com anchor isn't your most popular (which I suspect it isn't) then use bookmarks with yoursite.com to your homepage and then a mixture of keywords to your internal pages.

      You need to remember that your most popular links won't only be your highest amount of links but they need to be from a wide range of ip address' and c-blocks, so this is another good use for social bookmarking (link diversity) as well as social signals.

      I would do a nice mixture, bookmarks and hunt down a handful of good high pagerank links for your internal pages, only 3/8 links per page.
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  • Profile picture of the author ITmarck
    Find directly high pr links on italian market is a little bit difficult.

    So I think that I'll use social bookmark on homepage with "domain.com" to dilute the anchor text and a flow (not too much) of links on internal pages with the long tail keywords of the page.

    I am also working on IP diversity!

    For ecommerce store I'll use the same social boomarking structure but not for all products but for categories and sub-categories.

    I've a VA that can do this social bookmarking activity day by day (for a good link velocity)
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    • Profile picture of the author dmtaylor247
      Originally Posted by ITmarck View Post

      Find directly high pr links on italian market is a little bit difficult.
      You need to be creative about the way you hunt down these websites. For example it's no good searching for blogs on google.com you need to go to google.it/ncr then search.

      You can start with your main keyword, take for example " technology".

      inurl:"tecnologia"

      and the you need to add some footprints to refine your search criteria:

      inurl:"tecnologia" "Commenti"
      inurl:"tecnologia" "Commento"
      inurl:"tecnologia" "Commenta l'articolo"
      inurl:"tecnologia" "Login Per Inviare Un Commento"
      inurl:"tecnologia" "Login O Registrati Per Inviare Un Commento"

      The broader the search in terms of the topic (technology) the more sites you will find etc.. Once you find a site that is both dofollow and auto approve then note down the charcteristics. Is there a common denominator that you can use to find a whole group of websites?? i.e; "powered by xxx" are there generic words that appear onpage and might appear on the pages of other websites?

      So you can refine your footprints over time. Maybe sometimes you will find another commenter that leaves comments on alot of Italian blogs, so you can use their keywords as your footprint, for example:

      "Entra Per Commentare" "the keyword"

      Instead of looking through people backlinks this is what I mainly do. I find a blog with a comment that matches my criteria (mainly pagerank) and I refine the footprints and a few variations to surface all the sites I'm looking for.

      Once you have found the right footprints, you can scale it up by entering it into scrapebox, removing the duplicates and filtering out the high pagerank blogs.
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      • Profile picture of the author ITmarck
        Yes I know.. but for some specific niche is not so simple because the italian serp doesn't offer the same quantity of blogs of the english speak serp.

        I should use generic niche like "technology" instead of specific niche.
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        • Profile picture of the author dmtaylor247
          Originally Posted by ITmarck View Post

          Yes I know.. but for some specific niche is not so simple because the italian serp doesn't offer the same quantity of blogs of the english speak serp.

          I should use generic niche like "technology" instead of specific niche.
          I would start with the most relevant, then work up to generic and then unrelevant if you have run out of options. You might not be able to find many blogs with high pagerank. The high pagerank ones will most likely be unrelevant, so any link you can get from a .it domain on a Italian IP address is beneficial - pagerank or no pagerank, if you're looking to rank well in Italy get any links you can like this.

          If all else fails, build you own sites with .it domains (10/20 x 5 page sites), hosted in Italia and send a load of high pagerank America links to them then recycle the pagerank.
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          • Profile picture of the author ITmarck
            Yes I am building a private blog network
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            • Profile picture of the author dmtaylor247
              Originally Posted by ITmarck View Post

              Yes I am building a private blog network
              Good it will definately help you if the extensions are .it and they are hosted in Italy, in fact all these links you are building are nothing in comparison to these links. You may be wasting your time..

              You will definately see the difference with these other geo related links, just build loads of high pagerank links to these and forget about your money site.. it doesn't matter where they come from or what anchor text they have.

              In the meantime you can focus on building some good quality yoursite.com links to your money site and making it 100% quality, so if I went through your backlinks they would look tidy and relevant. Good luck...
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              • Profile picture of the author ITmarck
                No I am not using IT domains because it's not possible to apply the Whois Privacy on .it domains. But I'll use italian contents, italian backlinks
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