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12 years ago

What i would do is start building some more backlinks. Using anchor diversity and keep it looking natural. If you suddenly stop building links then it looks unnatural to google.

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shayman

12 years ago

Originally Posted by HenrySEO89

What i would do is start building some more backlinks. Using anchor diversity and keep it looking natural. If you suddenly stop building links then it looks unnatural to google.

Thanks Henry but that's what I've been doing for the past month- see point 7

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retsek

12 years ago

Well if you were hit by Penguin directly, you're not going to be released from it until they do an update or data refresh. They haven't done that for the last 60 days, but should soon.

So in the meantime, take another look at your incoming links. Primary focus should be sitewides with targeted anchor text (sitewides with branded terms seem to be fine). Aim to get your use of targeted anchor text to under 50% of all links. ~30% would be better.

I think you're doing good by just updating the links rather than going wild deleting them. Remember if you delete a link, you lose the link juice you were getting from it and in turn lose the ability to rank as before.

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Mike Anthony

12 years ago

Originally Posted by retsek

Well if you were hit by Penguin directly, you're not going to be released from it until they do an update or data refresh. They haven't done that for the last 60 days, but should soon.

As pointed out to you before you have no idea whether there has been a refresh. Google will not always announce refreshes only major updates. The idea that you cannot recover unless there is a known update is something you continue to push without any solid evidence.

Google has never anywhere said that it will only rerun either Panda or penguin when there is an update to the algo but hey if you and others want to believe that Google will always let us know what they are doing then fine. Personally I'd rather work like I could recover at ANY time

I think you're doing good by just updating the links rather than going wild deleting them. Remember if you delete a link, you lose the link juice you were getting from it and in turn lose the ability to rank as before.

Theres no use in keeping links that may be causing problems. If they were good links you would never need to remove them. If they are bad then they have little juice and they may be the reason Penguin hit the site so they should be removed. Some links are not changeable so you may have to ask for them to be deleted plus its unclear how much some of metrics that have caused unnatural link notices to be sent out are also found in the algo.

Given all that - link removal is not automatically a bad option and may have to be considered based on the link profile.

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retsek

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

As pointed out to you before you have no idea whether there has been a refresh. Google will not always announce refreshes only major updates. The idea that you cannot recover unless there is a known update is something you continue to push without any solid evidence.

Google has never anywhere said that it will only rerun either Panda or penguin when there is an update to the algo but hey if you and others want to believe that Google will always let us know what they are doing then fine. Personally I'd rather work like I could recover at ANY time

And as I pointed out to you before .....Regardless of whether we know about it or not, recovery can only happen when they refresh the data or do an update. They have confirmed that Penugin and Panda are not real-time.

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Mike Anthony 12 years ago

Originally Posted by retsek

They have confirmed that Penugin and Panda are not real-time.

Who cares? You have no idea whether a data refresh happened in the last 60 days. Thats what I was responding to that you claimed. People have reported recovering between known updates and since real time algo are layered to work in parallel with non real time algos no one should be sitting around thinking that its impossible to move up in between known refreshes.
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cooler1

12 years ago

Did you use any automated backlink tools to build links to the site before the penguin update?

There has only been 1 penguin refresh so far, around end of May so your site probably didn't have a penguin friendly backlink profile at that time.

http://searchengineland.com/google-p...-update-122518

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shayman

12 years ago

Originally Posted by cooler1

Did you use any automated backlink tools to build links to the site before the penguin update?

There has only been 1 penguin refresh so far, around end of May so your site probably didn't have a penguin friendly backlink profile at that time.

Google Releases Penguin Update 1.1

OK that's an interesting question. I had around 150 Social Bookmark links I'd done through Social Monkee. These also had a mix of anchor text but all of it with my money keyword somewhere in it. Could this be the problem?

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ownergolan

12 years ago

You took good measures, now start linkbuilding again with the "post penguin guidlines" - anchoer text, no garbage content etc..

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ownergolan

12 years ago

You took good measures, now start linkbuilding again with the "post penguin guidlines" - anchoer text, no garbage content etc..

Good luck

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Mike Anthony

12 years ago

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shayman 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

How many backlinks did you have to the site? How many did you change?

I changed around 70% of them.
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unikbit

12 years ago

you should know the number of links of your competitors to adjust your link profile. So take your first 10 competitors and see their link profile and see how many links you can delete or if you can do more

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Neville Pettersson

12 years ago

Shayman, I'm in exactly the same position as you. I have lots of sites which I'm doing most of what you said in your OP to varying degrees. Hopefully when they do a data refresh (which IS what they do, not sure why Mike keeps on going on about real time?), I'll see which sites recover / get worse.

As Retsek says, it's been well over 2 month now. I'm hoping that the time lag is because they've had to fix it up from what it previously was. Only time will tell.

I've already started to make new sites anyway. I suggest you do too.

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Mike Anthony 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Neville Pettersson

. Hopefully when they do a data refresh (which IS what they do, not sure why Mike keeps on going on about real time?),

Where? Mike is not going on about real time. He mentioned it in passing . Mike is saying that refreshes are not always announced and that people have been known to recover between known refreshes. Its like Google has hypnotized people into thinking that they know what runs and when or that changes only occur when Google announces it . There are hundreds of changes that Google does every year and few of them ever get reported. Basically the only ones that are are changes where you can detect a wide swath of movement in the serps.

As Retsek says, it's been well over 2 month now. I'm hoping that the time lag is because they've had to fix it up from what it previously was. Only time will tell.

and thats my point. People have been known to recover in the last 60 days. The idea that you cannot recover until there is a known update is unproven. You may well be waiting in vain with no lag whatsoever being in play. The idea that Google is going to announce everything to us is uncharacteristic for them and they've made no such promise. Has nothing to do with Penguin being real time. Most of us know it isn't but that hardly means you can't recover until there is a known refresh.

My motto - Keep testing not folding your hands. Penguin is not even four months old and people think they have it all figured out.
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boxoun

12 years ago

What am I missing? You referred to point 7 but I'm not sure those are good enough links. Those are all good for diversity and referral traffic but you didn't mention any contextual links.

I would test to see if you are actual penalized. Maybe try renting out some private home page links to see if your site moves. If it does then you know you just need better links and you can cancel home page links and figure out how to get better links.

Try web 2.0s and get someone to do 2nd tier from aln network.

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shayman

12 years ago

Originally Posted by boxoun

What am I missing? You referred to point 7 but I'm not sure those are good enough links. Those are all good for diversity and referral traffic but you didn't mention any contextual links.

I would test to see if you are actual penalized. Maybe try renting out some private home page links to see if your site moves. If it does then you know you just need better links and you can cancel home page links and figure out how to get better links.

Try web 2.0s and get someone to do 2nd tier from aln network.

Hi Folks
Sorry for my late reply. Been a long weekend here.

Some very useful points from everyone and it's been helpful.What I've been trying to get at and figure out is that pre 24th April, the modest amount of SEO I'd carried out had worked like a charm. I wasn't blasting links with Fiverr gigs. I wrote articles, posted them on ezine, syndicated etc... and the SERPs responded accordingly. I genuinely don't believe I did anything Black Hat or anything to upset Google..except anchor text which I've hopefully now covered.

So reading between the lines then I'd say that most of you think I'm pretty much on track for some kind of recovery as and when Google performs another update. Let's hope so.

Just on a slightly different track, my website is in the music sector. What is very obvious now is that where once there were decent websites in the SERPs, now there are just pages and pages of Youtube videos of varying quality. Some are just garbage and literally just 'a video' of a webpage.

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Neville Pettersson

12 years ago

It might be a refresh or a penalty. When (if?) they do a refresh sites may not jump back up because they may have a penalty. Much like you my sites dropped but I didn't get any WMT messages. The penalty incurred is most likely an algo penalty. We don't have to resubmit to G, just continue to fix and hopefully wait for the refresh/penalty to expire.

Is that what you're doing too?

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shayman

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Neville Pettersson

It might be a refresh or a penalty. When (if?) they do a refresh sites may not jump back up because they may have a penalty. Much like you my sites dropped but I didn't get any WMT messages. The penalty incurred is most likely an algo penalty. We don't have to resubmit to G, just continue to fix and hopefully wait for the refresh/penalty to expire.

Is that what you're doing too?

Yep that's what I'm 'trying' to do Neville, but it is all a little blind isn't it because I still don't think that anyone REALLY has a 100% answer Penguin..maybe not even G!

Whilst there's no point in resubmitting for reconsideration there is a form that you can send if you feel that tou were wrongly penalised. I filled this in the other day and whilst it may be a waste of time it's worth trying. My problem is that my site is my own branded product so I can't just rip it up and start again.

Here's the Google form:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...THZkaTBQbkE6MQ

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jimbo61

12 years ago

People use the term. penalty' lightly. Penguin is not a mnual penalty, it is an algorithmic filter, there is a world of difference between the two.

As Mike A has tried to get across, it isn't all about data refreshes, it is about working with the live algo AND the periodic updates (datarefreshes). Penguin 1.1. was rolled out along with a panda update between may 30th and june 8th. these are the dates to be lookign at for major league sub algo updates penguin and panda.

Life goes on between these dates of course

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Danny Shaw

12 years ago

I have found socialadr is working well at the moment. Use the cheap monthly plan to 10 posts/pages on your site or other social profiles and make sure to spin title and so on..... This help me get one site back to page 1.

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shayman

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Danny Shaw

I have found socialadr is working well at the moment. Use the cheap monthly plan to 10 posts/pages on your site or other social profiles and make sure to spin title and so on..... This help me get one site back to page 1.

Thanks Danny. The trouble is that services like this always seem to work well for period of time until too many people use them and then they get a Google slap!

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xbluelinks

12 years ago

I myself have a site that is affected by Penguin. Despite my best efforts, building more high quality backlinks, the SERP rankings only show limited recovery (i'm at 70%-80% of my previous peak, rank 10+ to 20+).

Frustrated, I started a new site. It has been less than 1 week and I am at 50-60% of my previous peak. (rank 20+ to 30+) I tell myself when my 1st site recovers, 2 sites ranking on 1st page is better than 1. If not, I still have 1 "penalty-free" site that is ranking.

This is not possible in most scenarios but it is possible in mine. Worthing considering for yourself.

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shayman

12 years ago

Originally Posted by xbluelinks

I myself have a site that is affected by Penguin. Despite my best efforts, building more high quality backlinks, the SERP rankings only show limited recovery (i'm at 70%-80% of my previous peak, rank 10+ to 20+).

Frustrated, I started a new site. It has been less than 1 week and I am at 50-60% of my previous peak. (rank 20+ to 30+) I tell myself when my 1st site recovers, 2 sites ranking on 1st page is better than 1. If not, I still have 1 "penalty-free" site that is ranking.

This is not possible in most scenarios but it is possible in mine. Worthing considering for yourself.

Thanks and yes it is something that I also plan to do too. Could end up win win!

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Austin E Anthony

12 years ago

I have noticed that building more links to the site that has been hot to try and dilute the anchor text does not help. I tried that months ago and it didn't help recover the rankings and was just a waste of time!

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mosthost

12 years ago

Truly comical advice in this thread. You've been hit with a link building penalty. The move forward is NOT to build more links.

Your website already has more than enough 'links you added yourself.'

Really, why not just buy a new domain and start fresh? You've missed a lot of months already trying to recover this site.

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Austin E Anthony

12 years ago

Originally Posted by mosthost

Truly comical advice in this thread. You've been hit with a link building penalty. The move forward is NOT to build more links.

Your website already has more than enough 'links you added yourself.'

Really, why not just buy a new domain and start fresh? You've missed a lot of months already trying to recover this site.

That is what I thought myself. Building links to a penlized site is just waste of time.

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Neville Pettersson 12 years ago

Originally Posted by young-Money

That is what I thought myself. Building links to a penlized site is just waste of time.

Ummmm, isn't this statement directly conflicting your signature selling penguin recovery services.
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- Austin E Anthony 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Neville Pettersson
  
  Ummmm, isn't this statement directly conflicting your signature selling penguin recovery services.
  
  I don't get you to be honest. There is nothing in my signature that says we are providing a recovery service. Yes, we used to provide this as a service where we help people do all the steps and get their rankings back but we were flooded with orders because we work with offline clients as well so we decided to create a wso with the exact method we have used to recover all our penalized sites plus that of clients.
  
  My signature was changed when we switched from service. We DO NOT build links to penalized site! that is not what this method is about. Thanks!
  
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Amy marketing

12 years ago

Thanks for sharing ,really great post. Now seo is getting harder and harder.

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Austin E Anthony 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Amy marketing

Thanks for sharing ,really great post. Now seo is getting harder and harder.

Google is making seo harder and harder but if there is one thing constant in life its "Change" so as Google revolutionize, we just have to play along with them
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chmae73

12 years ago

Start building backlinks using white hat tactics from high page rank authority sites.

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