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Penalty and 301 Question

by esquirexx
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Hi. I have a question and I hope someone can help me.
My site a received penalty 2,5 months ago. I 301'd it. Penalty transfered to new site after 3 weeks.

I think about 15 days later, the penalty on the first site will be lifted (as it always take 3 months for me). So the penalty on the new domain will be lifted too?
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Originally Posted by esquirexx View Post

    Hi. I have a question and I hope someone can help me.
    My site a received penalty 2,5 months ago. I 301'd it. Penalty transfered to new site after 3 weeks.

    I think about 15 days later, the penalty on the first site will be lifted (as it always take 3 months for me). So the penalty on the new domain will be lifted too?

    Does the old domain actually have a penalty, or are links being discounted by Google?

    I don't count links being ignored as a penalty since it can be fixed with new links.
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    • Profile picture of the author esquirexx
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Does the old domain actually have a penalty, or are links being discounted by Google?
      No, links are not being discounted by google, as after i did 301 redirection, almost all my old rankings came back in 2 days.

      Originally Posted by WebMeUp

      How do you know it will be lifted in exactly 15 days? Anyhow, what penalty are you talking about exactly?
      It is not exact. But it happened to me 3 times; i lost all my rankings, after 3 months all rankings came back. (but this time i didn't wait 3 months, i did 301)

      Some call this penalty, some says it is google dance.

      Still didn't find an answer for my question.
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  • Profile picture of the author WebMeUp
    Originally Posted by esquirexx View Post

    I think about 15 days later, the penalty on the first site will be lifted (as it always take 3 months for me).
    How do you know it will be lifted in exactly 15 days? Anyhow, what penalty are you talking about exactly?
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  • Profile picture of the author WebMeUp
    OK, then, on what basis do you think your penalty is normally lifted? Is it because you've made improvements to your site, or does it just expire?

    Logically enough, if a penalty got transferred to the new page, the lifting of the penalty should get transferred as well.

    But I've never met an SEO who is able to predict when a particular penalty is going to be lifted, hence my question.
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    • Profile picture of the author esquirexx
      Originally Posted by WebMeUp

      OK, then, on what basis do you think your penalty is normally lifted? Is it because you've made improvements to your site, or does it just expire?
      I wait it to expire just it does everytime.

      Originally Posted by WebMeUp

      But I've never met an SEO who is able to predict when a particular penalty is going to be lifted, hence my question.
      Yes, it is just an estimate. And it is not important for me to it'll expire 15 days later or 150 days later. But just I want to be sure that; if the penalty on original domain lifted, the penalty on 301 will be lifted, too. Whenever it happens.

      Originally Posted by WebMeUp

      Logically enough, if a penalty got transferred to the new page, the lifting of the penalty should get transferred as well.
      Yes, very logical.

      Originally Posted by paulgl

      Cause and effect are mixed up. A lot. Here. At the WF.

      Penalty?

      Let's see, your site dropped. At that very moment, some
      other site took its place. Now, you say you got penalized.
      And now the penalty is gone? Okay, so your site moved back
      to where is was, and the site that took its place is now dropped.
      And what penalty did that site suffer? Is that webmaster
      trying to figure out what penalized their site?

      People just toss the word penalty around because they can't
      think of anything else. The only real penalty is a deindex.

      Sometimes I think some WF members believe in the man behind
      the curtain. Just pulling levers, dropping sites, raising them,
      on whichever way the wind blows.

      Think about this. How can you ever move up without some site
      being penalized? I mean their site just can't drop due to
      normal fluctuations, right? And your site can't possibly move
      up because you are doing good things, right?

      This would mean that google ranks sites due to whichever
      one has the least penalties. That's hardly how they do business.
      They rank sites because they think they deserve to be there.
      Not on negative feelings. The only real penalty is a deindex.

      Lunacy to believe that google has a penalty cycle. What they
      have, is a "reward" cycle. Completely different.

      Your site not being rewarded as another, is NOT a penalty.

      Paul
      Thanks for taking time to share your opinions.

      But I'm not interested in teories. I am not a search erginee optimiser. I just have a site that made me around $500/day, it got this "bla bla" ( as you don't like the word penalty ) 3 times to my original domain before. And every time it got back its rankings after 3 months.

      But with this 4th "bla bla", instead of waiting another 3 months, i did a redirect and got rankings back that stayed for 25 days.

      According to my experiences, the bla bla on original domain will be lifted on 7-8 Semptember. But I wanted to know that if I need to delete 301. But a logical answer came from WebMeUp; If penalty transfers, lifting it will be transfered, too. So I don't need to delete 301. (i don't want to turn back to original domain because this new one is builded better and some technical mistakes corrected, also builded quality links to it).

      If the penalty on original domain won't be lifted, then there is no problem.
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  • Profile picture of the author paulgl
    Cause and effect are mixed up. A lot. Here. At the WF.

    Penalty?

    Let's see, your site dropped. At that very moment, some
    other site took its place. Now, you say you got penalized.
    And now the penalty is gone? Okay, so your site moved back
    to where is was, and the site that took its place is now dropped.
    And what penalty did that site suffer? Is that webmaster
    trying to figure out what penalized their site?

    People just toss the word penalty around because they can't
    think of anything else. The only real penalty is a deindex.

    Sometimes I think some WF members believe in the man behind
    the curtain. Just pulling levers, dropping sites, raising them,
    on whichever way the wind blows.

    Think about this. How can you ever move up without some site
    being penalized? I mean their site just can't drop due to
    normal fluctuations, right? And your site can't possibly move
    up because you are doing good things, right?

    This would mean that google ranks sites due to whichever
    one has the least penalties. That's hardly how they do business.
    They rank sites because they think they deserve to be there.
    Not on negative feelings. The only real penalty is a deindex.

    Lunacy to believe that google has a penalty cycle. What they
    have, is a "reward" cycle. Completely different.

    Your site not being rewarded as another, is NOT a penalty.

    Paul
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