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Am i the only one here that actually builds 0-few backlinks ?

by ownergolan
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Well, I put most of my effort in keyword research, finding those long tail keywords & questions to use as posts. Basically, social signals, answers site, and low to none linkbuilding - especially after the site is generating dough.

When I do linkbuilding its all the time drip-fed, and usually at the beginning of the site launch (after 1 month or so). Mainly PAD, few web 2.0 and that's it !

The point is, when my site turns successful (which usually happens), I just focus on content, instead of increasing backlinks. If i do need a push, i use some article marketing and some other stuff, but mainly on my web 2.0's lenses.

Well, maybe it's slower, maybe I'm wrong, but I think it makes me more "bullet proof" from google updates & changes, and avoiding some dances.
The only downside I can think of is site flipping, when noobs prefer a PR4 home page but no visitors over PR2 with 1000's daily.

What's your take ?
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  • Profile picture of the author ilee
    May make you more bullet proof to updates, but more vulnerable to another IMer coming in and stealing your spot.

    I do agree with you though, I've started focusing more on diverse content now instead of just on one keyword
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    • Profile picture of the author ownergolan
      Originally Posted by ichl13 View Post

      May make you more bullet proof to updates, but more vulnerable to another IMer coming in and stealing your spot.

      I do agree with you though, I've started focusing more on diverse content now instead of just on one keyword
      As i mentioned, when my site has ranked its just not in my mind to backlink..
      When im not.. ill get to no 1 no matter what :]
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    It's not about PR it's about serps. I guess you're playing with low competition stuff (:
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    • Profile picture of the author ownergolan
      Originally Posted by GodMode52 View Post

      It's not about PR it's about serps. I guess you're playing with low competition stuff (:
      Exactly what i was saying in the post. And I do get the positions wanted. When I'm there, I focus less on linkbuilding, and more on content, social signals etc.. and I know my way around low competition and high too
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  • Profile picture of the author Nelapsi
    Not only do I do PR0 stuff but also a healthy dose of nofollows as well. I ignore what others generally state because after each update I seem to increase rather then decrease and that matters more then opinions
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  • Profile picture of the author AlphaWarrior
    Originally Posted by ownergolan View Post

    When I do linkbuilding its all the time drip-fed, and usually at the beginning of the site launch (after 1 month or so). Mainly PAD, few web 2.0 and that's it !
    What is PAD? And what web 2.0 sites do you use? Thanks.
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      Originally Posted by AlphaWarrior View Post

      What is PAD? And what web 2.0 sites do you use? Thanks.
      I think he is referring to paid article directories...
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      Originally Posted by AlphaWarrior View Post

      What is PAD? And what web 2.0 sites do you use? Thanks.

      Portable Application Description - basically software submissions.
      These are nice because it's a bit different, and its naturally drip-fed, as the websites approve your listings at different times.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nelapsi
    Originally Posted by ownergolan View Post

    Well, maybe it's slower, maybe I'm wrong, but I think it makes me more "bullet proof" from google updates & changes, and avoiding some dances.
    The only downside I can think of is site flipping, when noobs prefer a PR4 home page but no visitors over PR2 with 1000's daily.
    I do think this comes down to your goals. I personally have no desire to sell any site I build, if I wanted to get into the selling business I would sell cars. When I plan out a site or a page for a site with it also comes goals for desired income generated from it. When I achieve it I generally will start on something new and just maintain the pages current status in my food chain. After about a month or so I will take a detailed look at the logs to see what other keywords the page attracts and add that to my list of things to do or when I get bored.
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    • Profile picture of the author ownergolan
      Originally Posted by Nelapsi View Post

      I do think this comes down to your goals. I personally have no desire to sell any site I build, if I wanted to get into the selling business I would sell cars. When I plan out a site or a page for a site with it also comes goals for desired income generated from it. When I achieve it I generally will start on something new and just maintain the pages current status in my food chain. After about a month or so I will take a detailed look at the logs to see what other keywords the page attracts and add that to my list of things to do or when I get bored.
      You're right, I also put up websites for the long run and "passive" income. That is why i stated, the only downside, and referring to newbis that want to see High PR.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheContentAuthority
    ownergolan,

    Thanks for the post.

    First, I don't think you are the only one here on WF that is doing little back-linking, and if Google continues to target sites that produce low quality content and links, then I am sure it will become a norm. (probably not any time soon, I should say).

    At the same time, link-building should not be looked at as an awful approach that only the bottom-feeders of WFs do. Getting links is something that we should all look at as a regular part of building our sites and client sites.

    Seomoz does a nice job looking at linking building and how one might want to approach it. While this content is a year old, the principles and practices still apply for today.

    SEOmoz | The Professional Guide to Link Building

    While I am sure you don't need direction in this, hopefully that guide is additional support for you.

    Shawn
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Never has an OP's sig more directly contradicted his post.
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      • Profile picture of the author ownergolan
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Never has an OP's sig more directly contradicted his post.
        Never a comment was so dumb, I spread backlinks over a few months for these guys, or do light (22) bookmarking.

        Seriously, think before you post.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by ownergolan View Post

          Never a comment was so dumb, I spread backlinks over a few months for these guys, or do light (22) bookmarking.
          Yeah right. Of course I am dumb. Checked your Gig extras recently? lol

          I'm sorry but you asking if you are the only one that doesn't build backlinks while having a sig that is offering mass link submissions leaves me and I suppose others asking - whats the point?
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          • Profile picture of the author ownergolan
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            Yeah right. Of course I am dumb. Checked your Gig extras recently? lol

            I'm sorry but you asking if you are the only one that doesn't build backlinks while having a sig that is offering mass link submissions leaves me and I suppose others asking - whats the point?
            Well, you are right, as I could never explain to you in a way you'll truly get me, the only way is showing actual stats and a website, which would be dumb.

            So I guess this is not worth talking about, you leave with your opinion, which I truly understand, and ill be continuing with my truth. Or i could show you stats and maybe some fiver gig requests, tell me if it tickles your mind still.

            Cheers,
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            ill be continuing with my truth.

            Is that what they are calling a contradiction these days?


            incidentally just so I can be properly educated so I am no longer dumb could you all share with us how you spread out backlinks over months when they order the four day service? Its a brilliant strategy to be able to do it both in four days and over months.

            I'd call it the Defying General Relativity Backlinking Program if I were you.

            Before anyone begins wondering what my point is - here it is - people talk nonsense on this forum about what they rank for and how well they are doing and even claim to not need backlinking but when you get down to it - they either can't back it up with a shred of evidence, are blowing smoke or rank for something that gets no traffic

            and usually all three (and in this case with a total contradiction in what they sell and therefore practice)

            Or i could show you stats and maybe some fiver gig requests, tell me if it tickles your mind still.

            Cheers,
            Never did tickle my mind but it confirms what I have always said. Fiverr is populated with some worthless services peddled by people who blow a whole pile of smoke.
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            • Profile picture of the author ownergolan
              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              Is that what they are calling a contradiction these days?
              Well, ignorance is bliss. do you prefer me uploading some screen shots over here or in PM, then maybe you'll consider your words ?

              I know must fiverr sellers are shit, here, i said it. The odd thing is that my customers are so amazingly satisfied and shocked.

              But, you know everything so there's no discussion.

              Make more posts, maybe you'll gain more power mate.
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              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                Originally Posted by ownergolan View Post

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                I know must fiverr sellers are shit, here, i said it. The odd thing is that my customers are so amazingly satisfied and shocked.
                I too am shocked. I have never ever heard a seller claim his stuff works or his customers are satisfied.
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                • Profile picture of the author ownergolan
                  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                  I too am shocked. I have never ever heard a seller claim his stuff works or his customers are satisfied.
                  Yep, i would say the same when ill see any service , luckily the reviews are all there, and about 70% of my customers are returning ones.

                  Also, ive been told by quite a few that its really a different gig, i actually explain to them why spintag / anchor diversity (+ naked urls, generic keywords) / and drip feed over a long course is important.

                  More than that, i often check their on-site seo (we know its a quickie when just a glance) but for most of these users it's all the difference.

                  Well i sent you pm with just a few pictures, could send more, but i think the ultimate test would be showing you a website of mine huh ? You'll be taking your hat off so quickly...

                  Already told you i feel lame "proving" myself to you, but i truly hate people judging.

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    • Profile picture of the author ownergolan
      Originally Posted by TheContentAuthority View Post

      ownergolan,

      Thanks for the post.

      First, I don't think you are the only one here on WF that is doing little back-linking, and if Google continues to target sites that produce low quality content and links, then I am sure it will become a norm. (probably not any time soon, I should say).

      At the same time, link-building should not be looked at as an awful approach that only the bottom-feeders of WFs do. Getting links is something that we should all look at as a regular part of building our sites and client sites.

      Seomoz does a nice job looking at linking building and how one might want to approach it. While this content is a year old, the principles and practices still apply for today.

      SEOmoz | The Professional Guide to Link Building

      While I am sure you don't need direction in this, hopefully that guide is additional support for you.

      Shawn
      Well, I let the masses follow seomoz, I don't feel the urge in doing what everybody else is doing, as I'm already successful, and all the time testing new tactics, niches etc.. seeing what's working and scaling.

      While they do provide great information sometimes, I mostly don't agree with them. Ive read there once to take a month or two on examining competitors (which is partially right - research is 90%) I feel sorry for the new guys who read this stuff, instead of taking action, and learning stuff for real.
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  • Profile picture of the author jfambrini
    Both Back-links and content are essential. If you ignore back links no matter how good the content someone else will surpass you in SERPs. If you are using PADs then that you are building links.
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    • Profile picture of the author ownergolan
      Originally Posted by jfambrini View Post

      Both Back-links and content are essential. If you ignore back links no matter how good the content someone else will surpass you in SERPs. If you are using PADs then that you are building links.
      True, have you read the post before commenting by the way ?
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