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12 years ago

"G" has their own product ads now showing up at the top of the search results so I believe they hit these Amazon sites to drive down the competition and they will continue to play this game.

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cooler1

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Peep

"G" has their own product ads now showing up at the top of the search results so I believe they hit these Amazon sites to drive down the competition and they will continue to play this game.

Big G always had those ads though so that isn't the reason for this. Penguin had a very big affect, like moving the keywords down dozens of pages down in the SERPs.

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Nelapsi

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Peep

"G" has their own product ads now showing up at the top of the search results so I believe they hit these Amazon sites to drive down the competition and they will continue to play this game.

The only thing this post is missing is... "In my 16 minutes in the industry,"

These updates have had nothing to do with that and everything to do with your content and backlinks basically. Personally speaking part of my strategy has been the attempt to keep things looking natural by appearance.

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Fernando1954

12 years ago

Yes i'm starting to see a recovery, on the 24th June i recieved in webmaster tools

We've detected that some of your site's pages may be using techniques that are outside Google's Webmaster Guidelines

They de-indexed the site, I re-wrote all content added a static front page with over 1000 words and images and youtube video, filed 2 re-consideration requests both were knocked back said still violated there terms.

So i just left the site and started over as there wasn't much else i could do all the reviews were unique and not spammy. Then around 2 weeks ago I noticed the sites were back in google for some keywords they are on page 4 at the moment but were on page 1 before google slap.

All that was done was to re-write the posts made them longer, added non review articles (how to and help type) no backlinks were created as I had left the site, just hope it continues to rise back to where it was, have started slow backlinking again from web 2 and high PR bookmarking sites.

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cooler1

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Fernando1954

Yes i'm starting to see a recovery, on the 24th June i recieved in webmaster tools

We've detected that some of your site's pages may be using techniques that are outside Google's Webmaster Guidelines

They de-indexed the site, I re-wrote all content added a static front page with over 1000 words and images and youtube video, filed 2 re-consideration requests both were knocked back said still violated there terms.

So i just left the site and started over as there wasn't much else i could do all the reviews were unique and not spammy. Then around 2 weeks ago I noticed the sites were back in google for some keywords they are on page 4 at the moment but were on page 1 before google slap.

All that was done was to re-write the posts made them longer, added non review articles (how to and help type) no backlinks were created as I had left the site, just hope it continues to rise back to where it was, have started slow backlinking again from web 2 and high PR bookmarking sites.

That sounds like a manual penalty rather than Penguin which is algorithmic and doesn't send notices to webmasters. Did the site get affected on April 24th also or not until June?

It seems like a vague message they sent you. Telling you you're outside the guidelines, but no mention of unnatural linking. Maybe it was on page over optimization that casued it, so re-writing your articles de-optimized your site to let it recover.

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ldiaz117

12 years ago

PM me your site cooler

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cooler1 12 years ago

Originally Posted by ldiaz117

PM me your site cooler

It isn't just one site, I have multiple sites. Besides, I think the problem is lack of anchor text variation and maybe backlink quality. I used AMR so maybe that submitted to too many low quality sites which caused it. I noticed that sites where I only submitted 1 article to AMR, they only dropped about 3-4 pages in the SERPs so it seems there maybe a decrease depending on the number of poor quality links to a site.
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cooler1 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Bestseller91

There you are . Now you know what did it.

I suspected months ago that AMR was the problem. I still don't know with 100% certainty though because I had a site which I used AMR for but it still was on page 1 after Penguin for some months until around July or August, but for some reason it's no where to be seen now anywhere in the top 20 pages in the SERPs.

The problem with AMR is that the articles from the directories it submits to get syndicated onto other sites, probably poor quality ones so there is no way to delete them.
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nik0

Banned 12 years ago

It's one big CONSPIRACY

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nik0

Banned 12 years ago

Cooler1, the sites that syndicate the articles are not the poor quality ones (or probably they are as well), the article directories IT SELF are the poor ones cause they are on average low pr and get spammed a million times a day.

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cooler1

12 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

Cooler1, the sites that syndicate the articles are not the poor quality ones (or probably they are as well), the article directories IT SELF are the poor ones cause they are on average low pr and get spammed a million times a day.

I gathered the article directories are poor quality also. I don't know why Penguin would penalize a site for that though because what if someone submits an article to a decent quality article directory then it gets syndicated to a number of poor quality article directories.

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nik0

Banned 12 years ago

That's why I think it's more and more important to use brand and url anchors in your articles instead of keywords. It's really the combination of.

On the other hand, most of the scraper sites do not scrape your hyperlinks, they only grab the content. You see the same with pressreleases, people who sell them say look how often you are found, 2500 times in only 3 days, yeah true, but only a dozen or so of the sites that syndicate it link back to you.

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sensini

12 years ago

It's very important to various backlink, mix as many type as you can but you also need have a plan with the type target (blog post and web2 are ok).
With content, you also need to make diversity anchor text and content need to unique and natural.

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MrMatts

12 years ago

well it is not so easy the problem is when you have a aff link at your site they know of cause that you are owning a bridge page. And a bridge page is spam according to their leaked quality guide so you are sort of unwanted in the serps before you have even started.

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nik0

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by MrMatts

well it is not so easy the problem is when you have a aff link at your site they know of cause that you are owning a bridge page. And a bridge page is spam according to their leaked quality guide so you are sort of unwanted in the serps before you have even started.

Unless you provide useful content like price comparisons and legit in depth reviews. But yeah, most sites that don't have that are just spam according to the guide.

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wolfmmiii

12 years ago

My sites have been largely unaffected by Penguin (and Panda for that matter). If anything, my sites continue to improve in search with every iteration of each animal.

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GGpaul

12 years ago

Hey Wolf, have you ever had an incident where someone bought an item that was worth thousands of dollars that you didn't have on your site? But the fact that it has the "24 hour cookie?"

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wolfmmiii

12 years ago

Originally Posted by GGpaul

Hey Wolf, have you ever had an incident where someone bought an item that was worth thousands of dollars that you didn't have on your site? But the fact that it has the "24 hour cookie?"

Sure. I've had large purchases unrelated to my site. Back when I was an eBay affiliate (CJ days), someone purchased a car after hitting one of my sites!

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GGpaul 12 years ago

Originally Posted by wolfmmiii

Sure. I've had large purchases unrelated to my site. Back when I was an eBay affiliate (CJ days), someone purchased a car after hitting one of my sites!

WOW. I'm waiting for the day that someone buys some kind of engine (if they sell those on Amazon since they don't sell cars).

I've received some funny orders lately such as this 4 disc blu ray Titantic set.

That will be the day when someone starts ordering the sex section that has no relation to my site at all lol.
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- Fernando1954 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by cooler1
  
  . Did the site get affected on April 24th also or not until June?
  It seems like a vague message they sent you. .
  
  Not affected till June 24th, It's still climbing slowly if it comes back fully it will be a bonus as i said i moved on and build a new site in the niche and that is doing nicely.
  
  Yes the message is very vague you are just stumbling in the dark as to the problem. Had 2 guy's who know their stuff look it over they couldn't see anything that would cause any problems.
  
  I don't think it has anything to do with link building as i have 6 other sites that i do same link building on and they were not affected, these are all on same hosting and in my webmaster tools so Google would have no problem connecting them.
  
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wolfmmiii

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Fernando1954

Yea right, you seem to have your posts in a file and just copy paste, you repeat the same thing in most Amazon threads these days. We are not all green as grass newbies and can't see whats going on.

No dude, sorry - no cut and paste here. Care to show me where I've posted the same cut/paste response in multiple threads?

You seem to imply that I assume everyone is a newbie.

Also, please show me where I've hi-jacked every Amazon thread.

And what, exactly, is "going on"? Forum marketing? Sure, that's exactly what's going on.

I resent the insinuation that GGPaul and I are somehow a team or something and that it's all part of some grand scheme. If you have a problem with him, take it up with him.

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nasuryono

12 years ago

Don't just focus on adding backlinks. Add non-review, informational content to your site frequently.

It seems Google are trying to kill more and more affiliate sites (i.e. sites that do not provide information and just try to sell).

I used to add backlinks with the hope of escaping Penguin but it didn't work out. When I add content though, the rankings jumped again. It's strange but true...

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bunnywoof

12 years ago

Originally Posted by nasuryono

Don't just focus on adding backlinks. Add non-review, informational content to your site frequently.

It seems Google are trying to kill more and more affiliate sites (i.e. sites that do not provide information and just try to sell).

I used to add backlinks with the hope of escaping Penguin but it didn't work out. When I add content though, the rankings jumped again. It's strange but true...

So if i did a review site on say televisions (seems to be the default example), if i added articles about programs, whats on etc or similar stuff that would be good?

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Fernando1954

12 years ago

Originally Posted by bunnywoof

So if i did a review site on say televisions (seems to be the default example), if i added articles about programs, whats on etc or similar stuff that would be good?

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Well i dont know if TV listings would work if you are trying to sell $700 TV sets, buyers are looking for information before they purchase.

I would think TV listings are not buying keywords.

I think what he was meaning was how to articles explanational type articles like

About Home Theater Systems
Plasma and LCD What's the Difference
Buying a Plasma Television

These are what I added to my hit site and it is now starting to move up the rankings again.

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cooler1

12 years ago

Originally Posted by nasuryono

Don't just focus on adding backlinks. Add non-review, informational content to your site frequently.

It seems Google are trying to kill more and more affiliate sites (i.e. sites that do not provide information and just try to sell).

I used to add backlinks with the hope of escaping Penguin but it didn't work out. When I add content though, the rankings jumped again. It's strange but true...

Im not really sure that makes any difference. I have a site which is ranking on page 1 currently for a number of keywords yet it only has reviews and no informational content.

If Google had this factor in place which moves down sites that have no content without affiliate links then I doubt id be one page 1 for those keywords.

I had 6 sales today, at least that is better than usual, which is only about 2 sales post Penguin.

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Fernando1954

12 years ago

Originally Posted by cooler1

Im not really sure that makes any difference. I have a site which is ranking on page 1 currently for a number of keywords yet it only has reviews and no informational content.

If Google had this factor in place which moves down sites that have no content without affiliate links then I doubt id be one page 1 for those keywords.

I had 6 sales today, at least that is better than usual, which is only about 2 sales post Penguin.

I understand your thinking on this being the case Cooler, but the problem is there is no real pattern why Google pick on one site with good reviews and leave crappy copied site on page 1.

My site being an example, original content but all reviews and they decided to hit it. Now after adding non reviews starting to see a comeback in serps.

I checked out some of my competator sites and noticed the ones that were doing well all had non review articles, so for the time it takes to write a few non review articles why not add them.

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cooler1

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Fernando1954

I understand your thinking on this being the case Cooler, but the problem is there is no real pattern why Google pick on one site with good reviews and leave crappy copied site on page 1.

My site being an example, original content but all reviews and they decided to hit it. Now after adding non reviews starting to see a comeback in serps.

I checked out some of my competator sites and noticed the ones that were doing well all had non review articles, so for the time it takes to write a few non review articles why not add them.

I'll see if new content makes any positive difference.

The difference with your site though is that is sounds like you weren't hit by Penguin because you didn't see downwards movement until June 24th, so im not sure if new content would help a penguinized site in anyway because the Penguin algo is meant to be related to over optimization which sounds like backlinks and on page SEO.

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wolfmmiii

12 years ago

@Fernando....

I only took umbrage because you implied (intentionally or unintentionally) that we are somehow working together and that I hi-jack a ton of threads and that everything is self-promotion:

Your comment: "Its wearing a bit thin all this self promotion on every Amazon thread."

That seems like a shot at me, not GGPaul.

I appreciate the post edit and I'm willing to keep the peace but I can't just let people go around disparaging me without responding.

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Fernando1954

12 years ago

Originally Posted by wolfmmiii

@Fernando....

I only took umbrage because you implied (intentionally or unintentionally) that we are somehow working together and that I hi-jack a ton of threads and that everything is self-promotion:

Your comment: "Its wearing a bit thin all this self promotion on every Amazon thread."

That seems like a shot at me, not GGPaul.

I appreciate the post edit and I'm willing to keep the peace but I can't just let people go around disparaging me without responding.

OK peace, I took umbrage with GGPaul to come in on a thread that was about ( Have you recovered from Penguin ) and ask

Hey Wolf, have you ever had an incident where someone bought an item that was worth thousands of dollars that you didn't have on your site? But the fact that it has the "24 hour cookie?"

This is so far off topic and came accross as thread hi-jacking,as you and I know ( and i think GGPaul does too) this has been answered by many Amazon affiliates before in the many Amazon threads on the forum.

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GGpaul

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Fernando1954

OK peace, I took umbrage with GGPaul to come in on a thread that was about ( Have you recovered from Penguin ) and ask

Hey Wolf, have you ever had an incident where someone bought an item that was worth thousands of dollars that you didn't have on your site? But the fact that it has the "24 hour cookie?"

This is so far off topic and came accross as thread hi-jacking,as you and I know ( and i think GGPaul does too) this has been answered by many Amazon affiliates before in the many Amazon threads on the forum.

What can I say? I'm still new to Amazon. I simply bought Wolfs strategy trusted 100% at what he had to say. There were things and there still are things that I have no idea about.

Seriously, I just went straight to writing because that's my expertise. I found a niche. I didn't look into anything else but follow the guideline and just write.

Honestly, I avoided a lot of Amazon threads never really read them. I just followed Wolfs guideline.

As far as me being a team with Wolf, no. I'm just trying to get going with internet marketing. It's been a year and a half, and finally I'm seeing results.

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Fernando1954

12 years ago

Originally Posted by GGpaul

What can I say? I'm still new to Amazon. I simply bought Wolfs strategy trusted 100% at what he had to say. There were things and there still are things that I have no idea about.

Seriously, I just went straight to writing because that's my expertise. I found a niche. I didn't look into anything else but follow the guideline and just write.

Honestly, I avoided a lot of Amazon threads never really read them. I just followed Wolfs guideline.

As far as me being a team with Wolf, no. I'm just trying to get going with internet marketing. It's been a year and a half, and finally I'm seeing results.

No problem, and good luck with your Amazon endevours.

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wolfmmiii

12 years ago

Fair enough....

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bunnywoof

12 years ago

Nice, thank you for explanation.

Still getting to grips with all this but getting there slowly.

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IMSince2003

12 years ago

Keep in mind that what happens to a SINGLE site by itself is IRRELEVANT. You cannot judge Google's algorithm changes unless you can view thousands of sites all at once and look for trends. Just because it hasn't happened to your site yet does not mean it won't

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