Yeah I am Gonna Start a Large Site

Ernie Lo

12 years ago

It may bring you a Google penalty. Be careful.

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WraithSarko 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Ernie Lo

It may bring you a Google penalty. Be careful.

Penalty for what?
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- DidierEv 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by WraithSarko
  
  Penalty for what?
  
  Content farm for one
  
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- ralchevd 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by WraithSarko
  
  Penalty for what?
  
  For being weird at Google's eyes. Matt knows.
  
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paulgl

12 years ago

You make a ton of assumptions. That a PR6 domain has PR.
Domains don't have PR, web pages do.

Depends on "strength of domain" ? What the freak is that?

A bunch of articles does not make one an authority site.

Then you ask, "Can I expect to rank easily..."

How is anybody supposed to know the answer to that question?

I'll be kind at leave it at that.

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nik0 Banned 12 years ago

Oh yeah, the root page isn't a page I forgot about that, I guess I have to check my 250+ high PR domains to do a double check. :rolleyes:

"Yeah well authority site.....", guess you missed that part!

Anyway, a PR6 has obviously tons of juice or it would have never got to PR6, and determining the quality of the site has become pretty standard.

So I ask again, anyone has experience with how many micro niche kind of keywords he pushed to page 1 without any additional links by following a similiar strategy, with a good site structure?

You know Amazon ranks a ton of pages with no links pointed at those pages at all, just funneling internal juice. Sure they are PR9 or PR10 perhaps but they have a billion pages. I have a PR6 and probably around 100 pages so do you think all my 100 easy keywords pages will hit page 1 without any additional work?

Wouldn't it be lovely to just buy a domain, throw up a site on it and forget about back linking it and make $1k/month right from the start
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- Bootfit 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by nik0
  
  Anyway, a PR6 has obviously tons of juice or it would have never got to PR6, and determining the quality of the site has become pretty standard.
  
  Correct if I'm wrong but I thought PR was determined by the quality of information/content on that particular page and the quality of the links pointing to it.
  
  If you've bought a page with PR6 that previously held information on red widgets and was linked to by other sites linking to information on red widgets then if you replace that page with info on blue spanners then the next time google spiders any page pointing towards yours and sees that the content has changed dramatically from red widgets to blue spanners it's going to think WTF?!? and drop the PR.
  
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cardine

12 years ago

Originally Posted by paulgl

You make a ton of assumptions. That a PR6 domain has PR.
Domains don't have PR, web pages do.

Depends on "strength of domain" ? What the freak is that?

A bunch of articles does not make one an authority site.

Then you ask, "Can I expect to rank easily..."

How is anybody supposed to know the answer to that question?

I'll be kind at leave it at that.

Paul

That's not true. Backlinks point to domains and not websites, and PR is all about backlinks. Getting something to rank, on the other hand, matters more about the website than the domain.

For that reason I don't think PR is that useful of a metric.

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yukon

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by cardine

That's not true. Backlinks point to domains and not websites, and PR is all about backlinks. Getting something to rank, on the other hand, matters more about the website than the domain.

For that reason I don't think PR is that useful of a metric.

Actually backlinks point to URLs, just because OP has an old PR6 on an old Index page URL doesn't mean it's the highest PR page that ever existed for any of the old non-existent URLs on that site (before OP bought the PR6).

The old domain could have included multiple high PR page URLs back in the day when the site was active. Those older non-existent internal URLs could still have external backlinks pointing at the old URLs (404 pages now).

I've got a couple of domains that have higher PR internal page URLs than the Index page PR.

One way to test/catch PR for internal 404s is to create a new internal page with no internal links, do a site-wide 301 redirect on all 404 pages (point all 404s at the new internal page), then let it sit for 4-5 months & see what happens with the new internal page PR. Obviously don't build any internal/external links pointing at the new internal page that's trying to catch all the 404s.

This way you can separate the Index page/URL PR from all the lost internal pages/URLs (404s), to see what you have to work with, consolidate all wasted PR into a single internal URL/page. With that little bit of work, you might be able to squeeze another high PR internal page out of the wasted 404s.

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cardine

12 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Actually backlinks point to URLs, just because OP has an old PR6 on an old Index page URL doesn't mean it's the highest PR page that ever existed for any of the old non-existent URLs on that site (before OP bought the PR6).

The old domain could have included multiple high PR page URLs back in the day when the site was active. Those older non-existent internal URLs could still have external backlinks pointing at the old URLs (404 pages now).

I've got a couple of domains that have higher PR internal page URLs than the Index page PR.

One way to test/catch PR for internal 404s is to create a new internal page with no internal links, do a site-wide 301 redirect on all 404 pages (point all 404s at the new internal page), then let it sit for 4-5 months & see what happens with the new internal page PR. Obviously don't build any internal/external links pointing at the new internal page that's trying to catch all the 404s.

This way you can separate the Index page/URL PR from all the lost internal pages/URLs (404s), to see what you have to work with, consolidate all wasted PR into a single internal URL/page. With that little bit of work, you might be able to squeeze another high PR internal page out of the wasted 404s.

Fair enough, all good points. Also does a tool like ahrefs say what pages are getting backlinks (even if those pages don't exist anymore)?

Also if you are using the high PR domain for backlinks you could just go to waybackmachine, build the site back so it is a copy of that site and then put a sitewide to whatever site you are trying to rank.

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wooxplore

12 years ago

Do you use the Google Affiliate Network?

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nik0 Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by wooxplore

Do you use the Google Affiliate Network?

Adsense you mean? No I plan to use Amazon.
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BrianCorcoran

12 years ago

Hey niko,

You need to think carefully about buying a domain just because it is a PR6, the most important thing when building an authority site is BRANDING!!

So when someone wants to buy a dog kennel they think "where can I buy a dog kennel, oh yeah, nik0's Kennel's is a great site!

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nik0

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by BrianCorcoran

Hey niko,

You need to think carefully about buying a domain just because it is a PR6, the most important thing when building an authority site is BRANDING!!

So when someone wants to buy a dog kennel they think "where can I buy a dog kennel, oh yeah, nik0's Kennel's is a great site!

I agree with that part yes, there is not an unlimited amount of pr6 domains for sale so I would try to theme the site around the name, or I could just redirect it to another aged domain.

I think it's also important to pick a domain that has mainly branded anchor txt back links instead of kw focussed.

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Yaduvanshi

Banned 12 years ago

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nik0

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Bestseller91

Out of truth and what comes from my experience , i did exactly what you have in mind. You will be surprised to know that it violates the branding concept that somebody mentioned above.

I had a high PR domain 1 year old targeted for a completely different niche. It lied dormant for a few months and i thought what you are think about now. I built a site around it promoting amazon products. A couple of reviews of some popular products and bam i am ranking #2 , #3 for them. For one of the posts i am even outranking cnet. Now thats awesome coz my domains name doesn't eben closely relate to the posts i made.

I don't know what future holds , but as of now i am enjoying serps. I think i might buy another more relevant domain and later redirect this one to it.

Exactly, thanks for sharing your story. Imo rankings are for 90% based on funneling link juice (obvious assuming onpage is ok) and what's a better way to not lose any juice, building a site upon such domain indeed instead of linking from it.

I mean if I link from a totally non relevant PR5 domain to my site then my rankings also increase, cause of the anchor txt or using my domain name as anchor. Sure I think the homepage won't rank that crazy but posts/pages should get good boosts cause the title post = the anchor.

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K Mec

12 years ago

Unique and useful content makes the site authority site. Sharing it on facebook, twitter will bring you more authority...

If you have that then you need not have to worry just go ahead...

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nik0

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by K Mec

Unique and useful content makes the site authority site. Sharing it on facebook, twitter will bring you more authority...

If you have that then you need not have to worry just go ahead...

Did I say I was planning to build an authority site??? :confused:

:p

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nik0

Banned 12 years ago

Lol I definitely should NOT have mentioned the word "authority" as the thread is totally not about that, it's about how effective posts rank when building a site upon an expired high PR domaon.

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yukon

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

Lol I definitely should NOT have mentioned the word "authority" as the thread is totally not about that, it's about how effective posts rank when building a site upon an expired high PR domaon.

Go back to OP & edit the thread title in the Advanced edit mode.

Maybe from authority to large:

Yeah I am Gonna Start a Large Site

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nik0

Banned 12 years ago

Yeah so time to find a nice domain, throw up a few 100 pages of spin content and let's see how it go's

Lol just kidding, but I do plan to get something like ShopperPress to auto import products. And perhaps throw in an additional broad spin description to still make it somewhat unique.

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Banned 12 years ago

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WraithSarko 12 years ago

Originally Posted by DidierEv

Content farm for one

You didn't even read what he posted did you?

Originally Posted by Bestseller91

Am i the only one feeling like LOLing at this one?

Naw, I lol'd at it too

I'm trying to break into a niche and I see a company that has tons of 1st place rankings with little to no backlinks...all of these pages are either pr 3 and pr 4 tho...sucking up the link juice from their site structure
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Suir1980

12 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

Anyone tried this?

Yes.

My keys to success were these:

1) I bought an aged domain.
2) I bought 8 high PR domains (between 3-7) and used these as my private blog network. Very expensive but worth it for this one site.

Obviously, there were more factors but those two were the biggest contributors.

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IMSince2003

12 years ago

I've found that once you pass 100 posts/articles, things really start to roll. Picking up an aged domain may help you but you MUST be careful to do your due diligence to make sure that it was a good domain before you bought it (quality content, links, etc.). There's a lot of work to be done and in your case it starts with proper domain research.

Just to share a story, I found a really good EMD and thought I would build a site with it. I put lots of content on it and links. Google never indexed it. I was baffled. I had never seen this before and this out of thousands of sites built. It turns out that I typed in a url formerly owned by a not so reputable owner. It was just a coincidence. You have the same chance of getting struck by lightning. I just got rid of the domain, lesson learned

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mrsvirtualassistant 12 years ago

Using an aged domain doesn't guarantee your success. You need to add quality content regularly and consistently. Even if you choose low competition keywords, you still need to build links and focus on SEO.
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Bryan V

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Bestseller91

Am i the only one feeling like LOLing at this one?

Nope

Originally Posted by IMSince2003

Just to share a story, I found a really good EMD and thought I would build a site with it. I put lots of content on it and links. Google never indexed it. I was baffled. I had never seen this before and this out of thousands of sites built. It turns out that I typed in a url formerly owned by a not so reputable owner. It was just a coincidence. You have the same chance of getting struck by lightning. I just got rid of the domain, lesson learned

This has happened to me as well. So now I don't really see this as unlucky--I check to see if a domain has been previously registered before picking it up. If it has been registered, double check links, archive snapshot, etc. to see if it was likely a spammer that got it deindexed.

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nik0

Banned 12 years ago

Nah, content has totally zero to do with pagerank, it's all about the back links. I transformed 250+ sites completely and they are still very effective and all kept the PR.

Sometimes when you just setup the domain it might lose the PR for a short while but it always comes back, at least that's my experience. The only thing that I see is with domains that have been dropped for many years, you know the ones that you can pick up for just the registration fee. Even if they have a few pr4 or pr5 links the PR does not come back, at least not according to that toolbar but those domains still have plenty of strength.

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nik0

Banned 12 years ago

You know, honestly I'm a bit dazzled about how few people experiment with these kind of things or how few people like to share there experiences about it. It's not some magic trick that comes out of the blue. I bet 100.000's of others must have done this before.

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tranceaddict

12 years ago

Large sites with good domain authority stand strong through Pandas and Penguins. That is the way to go.

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