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My plan to $10-$15k per month... Critique?

by WillST
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Hi guys,

My main source of income is through running an offline SEO agency, and I'm now looking at diversifying my income stream through creating a niche authority site and monetising it (and then replicating in a different niche).

So this is my plan, please be as brutally honest with it and pick out the holes and add suggestions on what to change:

1. Use Market Samurai and Niche Finder (by Brad Callen) to find a high traffic/mid to low competition keywords in a niche where people are already spend money.

2. Buy a domain, set up a wordpress blog and optimise for the main keyword.

3. Drip feed unique, 500 word articles 2-3 times per week until there is a total of 100+ pages of content on the site, in order to pull a good chunk of traffic through random long tail keywords.

4. Backlink for the main keyword (and maybe some variants) in order get ranked and pull the majority of the traffic for the main phrase.

5. Have a free gift for opt in to build email list.

6. When the traffic is at a decent enough level (no idea what that would be) add some affiliate offers, adwords, and other monetisation methods.

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Firstly - does this sound doable to actually earn some cash with this? Or is it one of those where it looks good on paper, but in practice it will bring in a few $$ but nothing substantial?

Secondly, I'm unsure of the following:

1. Are market samurai and niche finder worth purchasing and using? Are they still effective in uncovering some gems?

2. Is there a typical wordpress theme that has shown to be good for the ol' niche authority site? As I haven't got a clue what theme to use...

I've had shiny object syndrome for the last few months and have done a little research on nearly everything, so I've decided to take imperfect action and just get stuck in and jump in at the deep end.

I've figured this will only cost a few hundred $ to set up, continually add articles (outsourced) and build the traffic - and then monetise the site. If successful (which I'm certainly expecting it to be), then I'll do the entire process all over again in a different niche, and continue to build until I reach $10-$15k per month...

Hope that ramble made sense and a few Warriors related with the path I'm about to throw myself down...

Apologies for the life story, but would very much appreciate any thoughts/opinions/suggestions/tips or even a reality check

Thanks guys,

JSTEF
#$10$15k #critique #month #plan
  • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
    Originally Posted by JSTEF View Post

    Hi guys,

    My main source of income is through running an offline SEO agency, and I'm now looking at diversifying my income stream through creating a niche authority site and monetising it (and then replicating in a different niche).

    So this is my plan, please be as brutally honest with it and pick out the holes and add suggestions on what to change:

    1. Use Market Samurai and Niche Finder (by Brad Callen) to find a high traffic/mid to low competition keywords in a niche where people are already spend money.

    2. Buy a domain, set up a wordpress blog and optimise for the main keyword.

    3. Drip feed unique, 500 word articles 2-3 times per week until there is a total of 100+ pages of content on the site, in order to pull a good chunk of traffic through random long tail keywords.

    4. Backlink for the main keyword (and maybe some variants) in order get ranked and pull the majority of the traffic for the main phrase.

    5. Have a free gift for opt in to build email list.

    6. When the traffic is at a decent enough level (no idea what that would be) add some affiliate offers, adwords, and other monetisation methods.

    _____

    Firstly - does this sound doable to actually earn some cash with this? Or is it one of those where it looks good on paper, but in practice it will bring in a few $$ but nothing substantial?

    Secondly, I'm unsure of the following:

    1. Are market samurai and niche finder worth purchasing and using? Are they still effective in uncovering some gems?

    2. Is there a typical wordpress theme that has shown to be good for the ol' niche authority site? As I haven't got a clue what theme to use...

    I've had shiny object syndrome for the last few months and have done a little research on nearly everything, so I've decided to take imperfect action and just get stuck in and jump in at the deep end.

    I've figured this will only cost a few hundred $ to set up, continually add articles (outsourced) and build the traffic - and then monetise the site. If successful (which I'm certainly expecting it to be), then I'll do the entire process all over again in a different niche, and continue to build until I reach $10-$15k per month...

    Hope that ramble made sense and a few Warriors related with the path I'm about to throw myself down...

    Apologies for the life story, but would very much appreciate any thoughts/opinions/suggestions/tips or even a reality check

    Thanks guys,

    JSTEF
    1) No Market Samurai is not worth it at all. I have it, and felt like it's complete garbage. I don't know anything about niche finder.

    2) Try some magazine theme, gazpo is cool. DIY themes is cool as well.

    How are you going to backlink? If you are going to backlink that is.
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  • Profile picture of the author idreesfarooq
    Yes it is very much possible. But if you are thinking to go after longtail keywords, i would recommend to use long tail pro by spenser.....You can get discount on it here at WF on his sales thread. It is an excellent tool and I am really getting good keywords to go after.

    Also if EMD is in your plan, then you must think about it again as lots of EMDs have been hit in current Google update.
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  • Profile picture of the author WillST
    OK cool, thank you for that... I think I might download the trial version of MS and have a play around with it then before purchasing...

    I'll be using the same backlinkg methods I use for my offline clients (which is also outsourced, incidentally)...

    Do you know of another niche research tool which is worth using?
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    Market Samurai was excellent in 2009. Now it's a shadow of its former self. It's OK for a brief analysis of the top ten competition but that's about it!
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    Try SEO spyglass. Its amazing
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  • Profile picture of the author GodMode52
    You are aiming to high. Try to reach your first 500$/m and then replicate your business model. Now like now I'm pretty sure that without strong investments you would hardly earn this money in the coming 2-3 years(or 5-10).
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    • Profile picture of the author WillST
      Originally Posted by GodMode52 View Post

      You are aiming to high. Try to reach your first 500$/m and then replicate your business model. Now like now I'm pretty sure that without strong investments you would hardly earn this money in the coming 2-3 years(or 5-10).
      Thanks for your advice. I always set myself lofty goals as that is what I really want to achieve.

      The end goal is $10-15k per month, passively.

      I understand, however, that I'm at a standing start but it certainly isn't unachievable.

      Dont get me wrong, I'm not assuming this will be easy, or indeed quick!
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  • Profile picture of the author Becker13
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    Originally Posted by JSTEF View Post

    Hi guys,

    My main source of income is through running an offline SEO agency, and I'm now looking at diversifying my income stream through creating a niche authority site and monetising it (and then replicating in a different niche).

    So this is my plan, please be as brutally honest with it and pick out the holes and add suggestions on what to change:

    1. Use Market Samurai and Niche Finder (by Brad Callen) to find a high traffic/mid to low competition keywords in a niche where people are already spend money.

    2. Buy a domain, set up a wordpress blog and optimise for the main keyword.

    3. Drip feed unique, 500 word articles 2-3 times per week until there is a total of 100+ pages of content on the site, in order to pull a good chunk of traffic through random long tail keywords.

    4. Backlink for the main keyword (and maybe some variants) in order get ranked and pull the majority of the traffic for the main phrase.

    5. Have a free gift for opt in to build email list.

    6. When the traffic is at a decent enough level (no idea what that would be) add some affiliate offers, adwords, and other monetisation methods.

    _____

    Firstly - does this sound doable to actually earn some cash with this? Or is it one of those where it looks good on paper, but in practice it will bring in a few $$ but nothing substantial?

    Secondly, I'm unsure of the following:

    1. Are market samurai and niche finder worth purchasing and using? Are they still effective in uncovering some gems?

    2. Is there a typical wordpress theme that has shown to be good for the ol' niche authority site? As I haven't got a clue what theme to use...

    I've had shiny object syndrome for the last few months and have done a little research on nearly everything, so I've decided to take imperfect action and just get stuck in and jump in at the deep end.

    I've figured this will only cost a few hundred $ to set up, continually add articles (outsourced) and build the traffic - and then monetise the site. If successful (which I'm certainly expecting it to be), then I'll do the entire process all over again in a different niche, and continue to build until I reach $10-$15k per month...

    Hope that ramble made sense and a few Warriors related with the path I'm about to throw myself down...

    Apologies for the life story, but would very much appreciate any thoughts/opinions/suggestions/tips or even a reality check

    Thanks guys,

    JSTEF

    Honestly dude you just covered a very basic SEO strategy that everyone on here is trying to do

    Keep in mind many people on here cant get past $100 a month with this strategy much less 15k
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    • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
      Originally Posted by Becker13 View Post

      Honestly dude you just covered a very basic SEO strategy that everyone on here is trying to do

      Keep in mind many people on here cant get past $100 a month with this strategy much less 15k
      Yep. We've seen this one so many times before.

      Back to the drawing board
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    • Profile picture of the author WillST
      Originally Posted by Becker13 View Post

      Honestly dude you just covered a very basic SEO strategy that everyone on here is trying to do

      Keep in mind many people on here cant get past $100 a month with this strategy much less 15k
      Lol, yep your not wrong! And in all honesty I think I needed that to be pointed out!

      What I do find on the forum though, is that people jump from one method or idea to the next without fully putting any of them into 100% action. They buy a WSO, realise they wont be rich in a few weeks, then buy another WSO. Over and over again...

      I actually plan on doing this... and believe that if I follow the simple steps above, do the correct research, target a niche where people are spending money, get 100+ pages of copy up, then this SHOULD lead to a decent amount of traffic coming to the site...

      And once that happens (as well as building the list), I'll have traffic on demand to market too...

      It may fall flat on its face, but I think the cards are certainly stacked in my favour of generating an additional source of income through this method...
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      • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
        Originally Posted by JSTEF View Post

        And once that happens (as well as building the list), I'll have traffic on demand to market too...

        It may fall flat on its face, but I think the cards are certainly stacked in my favour of generating an additional source of income through this method...
        An additional income source? You mean $120,000 to $180,000 is an 'additional income source?' Dude, that's pretty significant income. Especially from a blog with 100 pages of content.
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      • Profile picture of the author Geekgirl01
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        What I do find on the forum though, is that people jump from one method or idea to the next without fully putting any of them into 100% action.
        [QUOTE]

        VERY true.....im sure no-one can deny that!

        Truth be told yes you can reach your target....with time and effort and learning every single day and implementing new techniques.
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  • Profile picture of the author WillST
    Dream big

    I certainly don't believe that one blog with 100 pages of content will result in a nice $15k per month income. The plan outlined above is just to get me started... I assume that following the above steps will result in a nice flow of traffic which I can monetise...

    Then tweak to make more money... Even if I can just get the first site up to $500 monthly (through blood, sweat and tears) I'll consider it a success, and will then look to build on that to hit $1k per month, and so on...
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  • Profile picture of the author WillST
    Dream big

    I certainly don't believe that one blog with 100 pages of content will result in a nice $15k per month income. The plan outlined above is just to get me started... I assume that following the above steps will result in a nice flow of traffic which I can monetise...

    Then tweak to make more money... Even if I can just get the first site up to $500 monthly (through blood, sweat and tears) I'll consider it a success, and will then look to build on that to hit $1k per month, and so on...
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  • Profile picture of the author seosorcerer
    Like others I agree that getting to $15k/mo with EMD will be hard.

    I operate a site, currently getting $200/mo, and it's targeted to technical stuff, with 100s of articles, 1000s of reference pages.

    I get good traffic and some page1 item1 (P1i1) ranking for targeted three word-phrases.

    My thoughts on the strategy is to build a large site on a general topic (computers) and then make sections (howto, examples, reference) with 100s of articles in them. With this method I have many pages with low rank and/or view count - I've also got about three pages with very high rank and view count and high CTR on the ads. And all those 1000s of quality pages keeps my site from being damaged by Panda or Penguin or EMD-slap or whatever - I've been a PR5 for the last 6 years.
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  • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
    $10-$15 per month is more likely TBH. But dream big anyways!
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    • Profile picture of the author Geekgirl01
      Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

      $10-$15 per month is more likely TBH. But dream big anyways!
      Thats a bit harsh surely?
      If this guy actually works hard at it and learns as much as he can on a daily basis and can get ranked within a few months then im pretty much sure he would earn more than that....

      But I would imagine if he wanted to aim for the big $$$ then he would need to target a keyword with very high searches a month and knock the other big boys out the water and with a good plan that can happen
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      • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
        Originally Posted by Geekgirl01 View Post

        Thats a bit harsh surely?
        If this guy actually works hard at it and learns as much as he can on a daily basis and can get ranked within a few months then im pretty much sure he would earn more than that....

        But I would imagine if he wanted to aim for the big $$$ then he would need to target a keyword with very high searches a month and knock the other big boys out the water and with a good plan that can happen
        You got it. To earn $180,000 per year from a single website he's going to need traffic in the 7 digits a month range.

        At that rate he'll be under intense scrutiny from competitors. They'll turn him in for any sort of 'spam.' That means he has to run a clean ship.

        Keep in mind, there are 70,000,000 WordPress blogs already in existence. He'll be launching 70,000,001 with no real advantages over the existing sites that rank highly. In reality, they all have:

        1) Better domain authority
        2) More content
        3) More users
        4) Higher social credibility
        5) Bigger budgets
        6) More network relationships
        7) More customers
        8) A larger staff

        I could go on, but you get the idea. He is facing an uphill battle and he's using a strategy that has been employed by millions of others before him. The only reason I've been harsh on him is because:

        1) He double posted this exact thread in the Main Discussion Forum and this one.
        2) He used the word 'Critique' in his thread title.

        I have given him the harsh criticism he needs. His competition will be even more severe to him!
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        • Profile picture of the author Geekgirl01
          Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

          You got it. To earn $180,000 per year from a single website he's going to need traffic in the 7 digits a month range.

          At that rate he'll be under intense scrutiny from competitors. They'll turn him in for any sort of 'spam.' That means he has to run a clean ship.

          Keep in mind, there are 70,000,000 WordPress blogs already in existence. He'll be launching 70,000,001 with no real advantages over the existing sites that rank highly. In reality, they all have:

          1) Better domain authority
          2) More content
          3) More users
          4) Higher social credibility
          5) Bigger budgets
          6) More network relationships
          7) More customers
          8) A larger staff

          I could go on, but you get the idea. He is facing an uphill battle and he's using a strategy that has been employed by millions of others before him. The only reason I've been harsh on him is because:

          1) He double posted this exact thread in the Main Discussion Forum and this one.
          2) He used the word 'Critique' in his thread title.

          I have given him the harsh criticism he needs. His competition will be even more severe to him!
          Thats true....I will give you that one.

          And I will agree and admit that MANY people get all glassed eyed about these people who brag about their $10 a month adsense earnings and it looks mega easy to do and people get carried away with it then fall flat on their face two months later.

          Blowing the big boys out the water is a hard task.....unless he does it the immoral way :p
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          • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
            Originally Posted by Geekgirl01 View Post

            Thats true....I will give you that one.

            And I will agree and admit that MANY people get all glassed eyed about these people who brag about their $10 a month adsense earnings and it looks mega easy to do and people get carried away with it then fall flat on their face two months later.

            Blowing the big boys out the water is a hard task.....unless he does it the immoral way :p
            Exactly. You can cheat your way to the top, but in keywords that get a lot of traffic and make a lot of money, manual inspection follows.

            If you've been naughty they knock you back down to size
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            • Profile picture of the author Geekgirl01
              Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

              Exactly. You can cheat your way to the top, but in keywords that get a lot of traffic and make a lot of money, manual inspection follows.

              If you've been naughty they knock you back down to size
              Even by sendng 50,000 spam backlinks from fiverr to their website? :p
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              • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
                Originally Posted by Geekgirl01 View Post

                Even by sendng 50,000 spam backlinks from fiverr to their website? :p
                I think Google has come to expect people doing that
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  • Profile picture of the author sprice
    There are easier and quicker ways to make money online...
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    • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
      Originally Posted by sprice View Post

      There are easier and quicker ways to make money online...
      I like your attitude. What methods would you suggest?
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  • Profile picture of the author boxoun
    Make yourself a dollar first. Good luck.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      $10-15k per month.

      Yeah I think $10,-/month is quiet doable

      :p
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  • Profile picture of the author pathwise
    I just achieved my first $100/month average with adsense and can't even fathom aiming for $15k/month right out of the gate at the way you intend to run the site.

    From my research and what I am seeing, you should aim low and hope to gradually build your way up. Backlinks or not, it will take time or getting some insanely viral material to get to the levels you are shooting for.
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  • Profile picture of the author awj888
    well, yes its doable, but from what you suggesting you are going to be looking at setting up about 1000 - 1500 sites and very low competition keywords, will come with just as low traffic. you have to assume that if it was that easy everyone has already done it,
    case is, its not that easy, and everyone is trying to do it. the competition will be there in one way or another.

    ...if theres free food, people always come when there is free food...

    I think you have set the goal too high from the strategy you are trying to use. is 10k-15k/m doable, 100% yes, but its going to take A LOT MORE than a few sites with 100 pages in small niche markets. (earning from adsense? maybe affilaite offers)

    now the scenario you describe requires a few things, domains, hosting, content to set up.

    domain 10$/y, hosting 60$/y, content $5/article, template for wordpress $30:

    1 site in reality wont get you 500$ a month with 100 articles, and a little bit of SEO unless you find a real golden goose which is rare! - so you need lots of sites,
    you cant host 1000 sites on the same host, its not a good idea 40 would be max 20 safe
    so in terms of just domains and hosting for what you would want with the basic strategy and realistic earnings of maybe 10-50$/month it looks like this:

    1000 domains: $10,000/year
    lets say 30 hosting accounts to handle it: $1,800/year
    that could be your base running costs,
    now you hve content on top of that 1000 sites, 100 pages, $5 a page, thats $50,000 worth of content, and this would be completed after what maybe over a couple years...

    ive forgotten my main point a while back now...

    oh yeah - this aint no cheap walk in the park + SEO + email (OH AND DID I MENTION TIME?)


    Here is what I would suggest, i cant imagine having to manage email lists, domains, hosts, and seo for 1000+ of my own sites clients is ok, but thats another story,
    and is far from passive income teams of people run that.

    I would focus on making sites which will realistically earn $500-$1000 a month, already not simple overnight setup either, but if you say find 5 pretty good niches, with decent products, CPCs, generalisable-domains (ie not EMDs build a brandable something), and then build authority sites around that 100 pages to start, and 2-3 posts a week, covering multiple keywords through that niche, setting auto responders for 1 year, (just reaslied i didn't factor cost of auto-responder),

    you pick 5 things you are interested about, motivated about, good research, find some low comp, mid comp, high comp keywords, differnet volumes, build sites,

    you will probably find that not all 5 will earn you something, some might be a waste of time, cut them and focus on what works and earns you something, grow it and build that, or replace the one that doesnt work so well with something else.

    dont aim right away at making a passive profit, aim at breaking even, if you can make it to the point hte site earns enough that it doesn't cost you to maintain it, overtime that will be passive profit also - break even first! cover the cost of the domain, hosting, autoresponder, content, seo etc for a year: (hope that it wont take a year to break even, because then sorry its going to take you ages!)


    its 4am right now and I should not be on here, my mind goes a bit too much off track


    bottom line....
    dont spread out so far, make yourself a couple great authority sites, and you can do it,


    to answer the software question, i use both of them,
    you are not going to find high volume keywords with low comp (im talking high volume of 5000+ a month exact) and you probably want to go after something a bit more to make real money, example got an EMD ranked #1 for exact match 1500/m and that doesn't really make anything at all, CPC is alright, traffic from the searches is ok, but thats not enough to make 500$ a month you need to go after bigger fish.

    time to make a sandwhich The SEO Sandwich (BLT) | Thinking Creativity Ltd.

    ok enough already im out of here


    edit:

    ok review about those 2 wares, : market samurai dont update you will be cond into paying monthly to get an email with your rankings (what a load of...) their research is useful, but more if you need to pull a ton of data bout top10 results, anchors, and inbound link authority useful SEO things for sure, niche finder is quick push button easy, 1 time cost, simples it will show you some good keyword idea.
    but hey if its research you wanna do, google keyword tool is still your best friend thats why all the softwares out there use it
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    • Profile picture of the author muzzy4u2
      Originally Posted by awj888 View Post

      well, yes its doable, but from what you suggesting you are going to be looking at setting up about 1000 - 1500 sites and very low competition keywords, will come with just as low traffic. you have to assume that if it was that easy everyone has already done it,
      case is, its not that easy, and everyone is trying to do it. the competition will be there in one way or another.

      ...if theres free food, people always come when there is free food...

      I think you have set the goal too high from the strategy you are trying to use. is 10k-15k/m doable, 100% yes, but its going to take A LOT MORE than a few sites with 100 pages in small niche markets. (earning from adsense? maybe affilaite offers)

      now the scenario you describe requires a few things, domains, hosting, content to set up.

      domain 10$/y, hosting 60$/y, content $5/article, template for wordpress $30:

      1 site in reality wont get you 500$ a month with 100 articles, and a little bit of SEO unless you find a real golden goose which is rare! - so you need lots of sites,
      you cant host 1000 sites on the same host, its not a good idea 40 would be max 20 safe
      so in terms of just domains and hosting for what you would want with the basic strategy and realistic earnings of maybe 10-50$/month it looks like this:

      1000 domains: $10,000/year
      lets say 30 hosting accounts to handle it: $1,800/year
      that could be your base running costs,
      now you hve content on top of that 1000 sites, 100 pages, $5 a page, thats $50,000 worth of content, and this would be completed after what maybe over a couple years...

      ive forgotten my main point a while back now...

      oh yeah - this aint no cheap walk in the park + SEO + email (OH AND DID I MENTION TIME?)


      Here is what I would suggest, i cant imagine having to manage email lists, domains, hosts, and seo for 1000+ of my own sites clients is ok, but thats another story,
      and is far from passive income teams of people run that.

      I would focus on making sites which will realistically earn $500-$1000 a month, already not simple overnight setup either, but if you say find 5 pretty good niches, with decent products, CPCs, generalisable-domains (ie not EMDs build a brandable something), and then build authority sites around that 100 pages to start, and 2-3 posts a week, covering multiple keywords through that niche, setting auto responders for 1 year, (just reaslied i didn't factor cost of auto-responder),

      you pick 5 things you are interested about, motivated about, good research, find some low comp, mid comp, high comp keywords, differnet volumes, build sites,

      you will probably find that not all 5 will earn you something, some might be a waste of time, cut them and focus on what works and earns you something, grow it and build that, or replace the one that doesnt work so well with something else.

      dont aim right away at making a passive profit, aim at breaking even, if you can make it to the point hte site earns enough that it doesn't cost you to maintain it, overtime that will be passive profit also - break even first! cover the cost of the domain, hosting, autoresponder, content, seo etc for a year: (hope that it wont take a year to break even, because then sorry its going to take you ages!)


      its 4am right now and I should not be on here, my mind goes a bit too much off track


      bottom line....
      dont spread out so far, make yourself a couple great authority sites, and you can do it,


      to answer the software question, i use both of them,
      you are not going to find high volume keywords with low comp (im talking high volume of 5000+ a month exact) and you probably want to go after something a bit more to make real money, example got an EMD ranked #1 for exact match 1500/m and that doesn't really make anything at all, CPC is alright, traffic from the searches is ok, but thats not enough to make 500$ a month you need to go after bigger fish.

      time to make a sandwhich The SEO Sandwich (BLT) | Thinking Creativity Ltd.

      ok enough already im out of here


      edit:

      ok review about those 2 wares, : market samurai dont update you will be cond into paying monthly to get an email with your rankings (what a load of...) their research is useful, but more if you need to pull a ton of data bout top10 results, anchors, and inbound link authority useful SEO things for sure, niche finder is quick push button easy, 1 time cost, simples it will show you some good keyword idea.
      but hey if its research you wanna do, google keyword tool is still your best friend thats why all the softwares out there use it

      Nice post I agree with you explained almost every thing what needs to be done to achieve that kind of income.
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    What I would suggest that if your going to go down the road of having 500-1000 sites, then its in your best interest to get a hosting reseller account. I have one (As I do web design and charge my clients $40 a year)

    Having your own one for that amount of websites makes it cost effective
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