Which SEO Firm/Expert to Use?

by magwoi
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Over the past year, I have built a 2,000 plus page site with unique content. I have not built any links for it yet as some of my small sites have been decimated by Panda/Penguin/EMD updates. I have been too scared to do any link-building todate as "standard off-site SEO" seems to be penalized from every angle at the moment.

Also, I have been trying to follow the advise of a successful guru who teaches that link building is not necessary and all you have to do is have excellent in-content internal links and a lot of unique content. I have tried this no-linking approach for a year and my traffic has not really grown at all. I therefore conclude that I MUST get some links if I ever want to get any decent Google traffic.

I want good quality links for my site and I just do not know which SEO firm to go for that can do this. I have used people/" SEO firms" in the past from WSO/odesk etc. and all they did was source poor quality spammy links. I am also not looking for any service that involves spinning content or getting 1000 links in a day.

I have a budget of about $400-$800 per month for this and I would appreciate any recommendations or advise of a good SEO service that can build decent authority for my site.

Searching online, I came across this list of some firms:
Rankings of Best Link Building Company (ies) and Services

Anybody used any of them with success? Do they even work?
Are there any warriors that offer a good quality SEO link building service?

Thanks
#firm or expert #seo
  • Profile picture of the author dropmining
    Personally I think that Distilled are a very reputable and knowledgeable crowd.

    But you could also do some yourself, guest blogging is a particular favourite of mine and all you have to do is what you normally do for your own site, only submit those articles elsewhere.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Bronson
    To be honest I'll say that $400-800 will be tough for any reputable SEO firm. Distilled is a top tier firm whose prices start at $5,000/mo. Heck, I'm a freelancer an my monthly eCommerce link building is 50% cost of their!

    Most larger firms who are charging around $500/mo will have a lot of clients. Possibly anywhere from 20 - 100, and potentially only 2, maybe 3 people managing them.

    With that said, there is only time in the day/budget on their end for lower level tactics. I've seen this first hand in the past. Maybe they will take $150 of your budget and go buy a few anchor text links through a link broker. Maybe a few outsourced articles will be written and distributed. Maybe a few bookmarks.

    I'm not trying to discourage you, but I would ask yourself the following questions:
    1. What content do I have that is valuable to my potential market?
    2. Who are the current players/bloggers/influences in this niche?

    I would answer these question, and outreach to them. Getting guest blogs, or some other arrangement on their site who already have a captive audience can result in actual click thru.

    I really like the advise of Kaiser the Sage for link building. Maybe you can uncover some ideas from there, test, document and outsource under your budget.
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    • Profile picture of the author magwoi
      Originally Posted by Jeff Bronson View Post

      To be honest I'll say that $400-800 will be tough for any reputable SEO firm. Distilled is a top tier firm whose prices start at $5,000/mo. Heck, I'm a freelancer an my monthly eCommerce link building is 50% cost of their!

      Most larger firms who are charging around $500/mo will have a lot of clients. Possibly anywhere from 20 - 100, and potentially only 2, maybe 3 people managing them.

      With that said, there is only time in the day/budget on their end for lower level tactics. I've seen this first hand in the past. Maybe they will take $150 of your budget and go buy a few anchor text links through a link broker. Maybe a few outsourced articles will be written and distributed. Maybe a few bookmarks.

      I'm not trying to discourage you, but I would ask yourself the following questions:
      1. What content do I have that is valuable to my potential market?
      2. Who are the current players/bloggers/influences in this niche?

      I would answer these question, and outreach to them. Getting guest blogs, or some other arrangement on their site who already have a captive audience can result in actual click thru.

      I really like the advise of Kaiser the Sage for link building. Maybe you can uncover some ideas from there, test, document and outsource under your budget.
      I hear what you are saying. I ahve never heard of that Kaiser guy but I googled him and read his blog and I agree mainly with his idea about link baiting and great content.

      BUT... Apple builds great products but they still market and promote those products more than there competitors. The same could be said for Nike, McDonald's and most brand leaders.

      I see Link building as a one way to market a website for those of us who can not afford TV ads etc. All the top sites in my niche have very good link building campaigns and that is what I would like to emulate.

      I really do not feel just building great content will lead to a flow of great links. I think that idea works very well in niches where people naturally "chat" and "tweet" about the niche. Some niches are just not very "sociable". I am sure a new article about Kim Kardashian kissing a woman will receive natural links very quickly. On the other hand, an amazing article about how to polish bronze door knobs correctly may not get as much attention or natural incoming links.

      Also in some high Cost per Click niches like mine, the top sites will not link to others in the same way that you will not find an advert for Burger King in any McDonald's restaurant any where in the world.

      I was hoping that a $400 -$800 budget may be sufficient for a link building campaign from some of the reputable smaller SEO firms or even independents. I am willing even to go to $1,500 per month for link building if the firm is good enough. As I am not wanting any on page SEO work , I was hoping that my budget may be sufficient.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ettienne
        Originally Posted by magwoi View Post

        I really do not feel just building great content will lead to a flow of great links. I think that idea works very well in niches where people naturally "chat" and "tweet" about the niche. Some niches are just not very "sociable". I am sure a new article about Kim Kardashian kissing a woman will receive natural links very quickly. On the other hand, an amazing article about how to polish bronze door knobs correctly may not get as much attention or natural incoming links.
        100% Spot on.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheFBGuy
    Feel free to contact me OP, I can help.
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  • Profile picture of the author Janice Stacy
    You can get experts in help through freelancing sites. Go to Odesk and find someone who is expert in SEO link building. There are thousands of professionals available there. This is the best possible way you can get good quality links for your website.
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    • Profile picture of the author magwoi
      Originally Posted by Janice Stacy View Post

      You can get experts in help through freelancing sites. Go to Odesk and find someone who is expert in SEO link building. There are thousands of professionals available there. This is the best possible way you can get good quality links for your website.
      Originally Posted by ahsanabrar View Post

      there are lots of freelancers in the market,you can hired their sources and lots of companies are registered for SEO purpose search them online and contact them.
      I have tried such "experts" from odesk etc. and they all seem to know less about SEO than I do. Most of them have SEO ideas from 2004; which really are not worth paying for post penguin/panda.

      Have you ever had a great experience from such freelance experts? How did you filter out the wannabe's from the bonafide SEO pros?
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      • Profile picture of the author SEO Haven
        Originally Posted by magwoi View Post

        I have tried such "experts" from odesk etc. and they all seem to know less about SEO than I do. Most of them have SEO ideas from 2004; which really are not worth paying for post penguin/panda.
        Sadly true. There are so many people out there providing services they know nothing about, this is not only in the SEO field though.
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    SEO Expert here only contact me
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    Hi Feel free contact me at skype name seopramod I can provide you Contextual link from unique content of unique blog also other valuable link.
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  • Profile picture of the author SEO Haven
    You will always need to build links, unless you're already part of a well-known company that gets tons of exposure through various forms of advertising.

    Some link building techniques are targeted, yes, but that's easy to spot and avoid.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ezra Anderson
    I highly recommend Nik0's service here on WF.

    And no, I'm not an affiliate.
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    • Profile picture of the author magwoi
      Originally Posted by Ezra Anderson View Post

      I highly recommend Nik0's service here on WF.

      And no, I'm not an affiliate.
      As they seem to only get 104 or good quality links, I might consider using them as part of the mix. However I am more after an ongoing service that will continually build links rather than a one-off package that gets me 100 links than stops after that.

      I notice that the sites that stay at the top of the SERPS are the ones that are always increasing the quantity of their quality incoming links.
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    • Profile picture of the author JK Nyerere
      Originally Posted by JayTSM View Post

      Many people can help you with this. You can either choose a company to help you or you can find freelancers from different places such as oDesk and elance. But as you have mentioned, some freelancers do not job well so I suggest you look for established companies to do it for you.
      In the past, there were very few SEO experts worth to be called that name. Post-penguinpanda, there are even fewer. The content on your 2,000 page site is probably worth over $20,000 - $40,000. Most freelancers are amateurs who really do not know what they are doing.

      Freelancer SEO's were good for 5-page EMD adsense sites, but if you want to build real authority for your mega-site, you really need a proven professional SEO. You are unlikely to get them from freelancer sites as most freelancers simply do not have the resources to do a professional job. If they did have professional SEO resources, they would not be freelancing on the cheap.

      I would not risk my $20K investment on an amateur who relies on free forums for their SEO traing and eduction while not having enough sites to test things from themselves.
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  • Profile picture of the author galmiar
    I've used SEO & Link Building Services | Fast, Affordable & GUARANTEED! for many of my seo needs. The head is an expert and really knows what he is talking about as he has been doing it for around eight years full time and has pushed through all Googles scary updates.

    I have tried many seo providers in my time and he is one of the very few i still keep in contact with and someone i can always trust. I would drop him an email.

    Hope this helps
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  • If you have limited budget then Indian SEO firms make sense.
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    • Profile picture of the author JK Nyerere
      Originally Posted by Toyota Hilux Dealer View Post

      If you have limited budget then Indian SEO firms make sense.
      Cheap SEO firms never makes sense. It is better to get half the links in twice the time than to use cheap SEO services. Cheap services will ruin your business for certain.

      Originally Posted by galmiar View Post

      I've used SEO & Link Building Services | Fast, Affordable & GUARANTEED! for many of my seo needs. The head is an expert and really knows what he is talking about as he has been doing it for around eight years full time and has pushed through all Googles scary updates.

      I have tried many seo providers in my time and he is one of the very few i still keep in contact with and someone i can always trust. I would drop him an email.

      Hope this helps
      Hey galmiar, I really like the packages offered by your recommendation. Assuming it is not your service , how did the sites they did for you fare post panda/penguin?
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      • Profile picture of the author galmiar
        Originally Posted by JK Nyerere View Post

        Cheap SEO firms never makes sense. It is better to get half the links in twice the time than to use cheap SEO services. Cheap services will ruin your business for certain.



        Hey galmiar, I really like the packages offered by your recommendation. Assuming it is not your service , how did the sites they did for you fare post panda/penguin?
        Haha! No i don't run the site (i wish) and don't worry i'm not an affiliate either, in fact i don't think you even can be. Anyway, i used them on a couple of my sites before the penguin update and my site was responding extremely well for quite a difficult keyword.
        Unfortunately some of my sites got hit, including the one i have backlinks sent to. But this had nothing to do with this service, i had over done it on anchor rich profile links in the past.

        Anyway i used his service on a site after the update, one that had not been hit. It went from mid page 2 to position 9-7 in about a week so was very chuffed, but then that one got hit by the recent emd update as well as all my other emds! Grrrr Google!
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    OP with all due respect this is probably one of the worst places to ask for those kinds of services and never ever put your budget out there in the open or you will get all kinds of suggestions.
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    • Profile picture of the author magwoi
      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      OP with all due respect this is probably one of the worst places to ask for those kinds of services and never ever put your budget out there in the open or you will get all kinds of suggestions.
      I agree with you that it is a risky and possibly unwise. But I am desperate. I know enough about SEO to know what I should be getting for my budget and what I want to avoid. But on the other hand, I have found at least one recommendation of a possibly good SEO service (http://www.rankwarrior.com/).

      If you were in my shoes Mike, how would you go about finding a good SEO expert?
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      • Profile picture of the author quarkinc
        Originally Posted by magwoi View Post

        I agree with you that it is a risky and possibly unwise. But I am desperate. I know enough about SEO to know what I should be getting for my budget and what I want to avoid. But on the other hand, I have found at least one recommendation of a possibly good SEO service (http://www.rankwarrior.com/).

        If you were in my shoes Mike, how would you go about finding a good SEO expert?
        In my opinion best way will be to test few seo companies/expert who provide performance based seo per keyword for nominal cost($75-100) and prefer not to choose package based services. once they deliver results in a month or agreed time then only open up your cards of going with $400-800/mo budget. I am sure you can find good low cost performance based companies easily.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by magwoi View Post

        I have found at least one recommendation of a possibly good SEO service (http://www.rankwarrior.com/).

        If you were in my shoes Mike, how would you go about finding a good SEO expert?
        Thats easy. I'd hire me (or Mike F) But seriously I am not sure what you want because looking at that provider above's package it seems to me exactly opposite of what I thought you were saying.

        Besides honestly the minute a SEO starts listing off a package to me I would be nervous. I mean think about it. Any other professional you hire you hire to get a job done not go through a list of things they can check off without finishing the job. You want to rank. Doesn't matter a hill of beans that he gave you 100 web 2.0s and four written articles and two PR 4 links and drip feed blah blah blah. Even if your site suddenly jumped to page three but still you didn't rank top five whats the point? Who can draw the fastest water gun in the west?

        SEO on WF has become link commodity brokering. Everyone is offering links and few people ever EVER promise ranking in top 3 or even top five where most of the traffic is. I guess thats also because that takes time and everybody wants to rank yesterday but as we have seen recently haste makes waste.

        Honestly the other thing is I would wanta SEO that will do keyword and competitive research for me if I wanted to get traffic fast but thats the other thing I don't get about WF SEO. Even newbies who don't know anything about SEO INSIST on giving you keywords even though they have no clue about how competitive it is or what other keywords they might rank for in no time. The few people I take from here I just gave in and took the keywords but a big job of an SEO is determining where the weakness is in your niche and then getting the keywords that get you traffic.

        People here don't even want to hear about you doing any keyword research. Its crazy but its totally undervalued even though its the most important SEO step - everybody just assumes they know the keywords to go after. Anyway thats a side rant .

        Honestly my number one criteria would be - who is talking about ranking me top five not talking about link packages. The data is clear. Every test ever done indicates that top three and MAYBE down to five get almost all the traffic. In many serps even front page 6-10 doesn't get squat. Get an SEO thats in the real game not the game of how many links can they give you or what their link package is. Someone mentioned SEOs with networks - well frankly the smart ones don't even want to mention link count because they would rather not give out a list of their sites.

        Now in the process you might have to change some of your own thinking. I had a guy here in this forum . Last year I ranked him number one or two (can't recall) . You know what he whined about? That He had not gotten three more links he wanted. Mind you he turned down two Pr5s I had lined up for him because he would not give back a PR3 link but he was still upset even though he ranked. Now he is nowhere on the radar.
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        • Profile picture of the author magwoi
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          Thats easy. I'd hire me (or Mike F) But seriously I am not sure what you want because looking at that provider above's package it seems to me exactly opposite of what I thought you were saying.

          Besides honestly the minute a SEO starts listing off a package to me I would be nervous. I mean think about it. Any other professional you hire you hire to get a job done not go through a list of things they can check off without finishing the job. You want to rank. Doesn't matter a hill of beans that he gave you 100 web 2.0s and four written articles and two PR 4 links and drip feed blah blah blah. Even if your site suddenly jumped to page three but still you didn't rank top five whats the point? Who can draw the fastest water gun in the west?

          SEO on WF has become link commodity brokering. Everyone is offering links and few people ever EVER promise ranking in top 3 or even top five where most of the traffic is. I guess thats also because that takes time and everybody wants to rank yesterday but as we have seen recently haste makes waste.

          Honestly the other thing is I would wanta SEO that will do keyword and competitive research for me if I wanted to get traffic fast but thats the other thing I don't get about WF SEO. Even newbies who don't know anything about SEO INSIST on giving you keywords even though they have no clue about how competitive it is or what other keywords they might rank for in no time. The few people I take from here I just gave in and took the keywords but a big job of an SEO is determining where the weakness is in your niche and then getting the keywords that get you traffic.

          People here don't even want to hear about you doing any keyword research. Its crazy but its totally undervalued even though its the most important SEO step - everybody just assumes they know the keywords to go after. Anyway thats a side rant .

          Honestly my number one criteria would be - who is talking about ranking me top five not talking about link packages. The data is clear. Every test ever done indicates that top three and MAYBE down to five get almost all the traffic. In many serps even front page 6-10 doesn't get squat. Get an SEO thats in the real game not the game of how many links can they give you or what their link package is. Someone mentioned SEOs with networks - well frankly the smart ones don't even want to mention link count because they would rather not give out a list of their sites.

          Now in the process you might have to change some of your own thinking. I had a guy here in this forum . Last year I ranked him number one or two (can't recall) . You know what he whined about? That He had not gotten three more links he wanted. Mind you he turned down two Pr5s I had lined up for him because he would not give back a PR3 link but he was still upset even though he ranked. Now he is nowhere on the radar.
          Wow! Your post was very enlightening. I was interested in the recommended package due to wrong thinking on my part with a little bit of social proof. Thank you very much for setting me straight. I really see the logic of what you have said.
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    • Profile picture of the author longrobnc
      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      OP with all due respect this is probably one of the worst places to ask for those kinds of services and never ever put your budget out there in the open or you will get all kinds of suggestions.
      Mike, would you PM me your contact information? I don't have enough post to send you a message.
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        Originally Posted by longrobnc View Post

        Mike, would you PM me your contact information? I don't have enough post to send you a message.
        I'm easy to get a message to or contact - Just go to my website and you will see a live support button. Whether someone is on or offline you can send me your message,
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    • Profile picture of the author longrobnc
      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      OP with all due respect this is probably one of the worst places to ask for those kinds of services and never ever put your budget out there in the open or you will get all kinds of suggestions.
      Mike, would you PM me your contact information? I don't have enough post to send you a message.
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  • Ehh i might aswell throw my name in the mix. Check my signature

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  • Profile picture of the author maddy1
    Better do SEO by yourself only..Only 2 hours dedicated SEO work is also beneficiary to your site.
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    • Profile picture of the author JK Nyerere
      Originally Posted by maddy1 View Post

      Better do SEO by yourself only..Only 2 hours dedicated SEO work is also beneficiary to your site.
      That is like saying it only takes 9.8 seconds of dedicated work to beat Usain Bolt and become the Olympics 100m sprint champion. Your suggestion forgets that you need to know what, how, when and where to dedicate those 2 hours of work. To know how, where, when, what and where; you need to have years of practical in the trenches SEO experience besides basic theoretical knowledge.

      Dedicating 2 hrs everyday building profile links or asking for link exchanges will not be in any way beneficial to your website rankings or time. You need first to know what you are doing. If it was just about dedicating 2 hrs, I am sure those big firms with hundreds of employees would not bother paying $50,000 per month for SEO work when they could just ask one of their janitors to dedicate 2 hrs of their time doing SEO work.
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    • Profile picture of the author makbog
      I'd recommend you create microsites network for getting your main site ranked. It is a strategy which never fails and give you long term assets which are strong. Basically, it involves creation of high quality content rich sites and blogs which range from 10-25 pages. Then these sites and blogs are provided high quality backlinks and social bookmarking. After 6 -10 months, you will have a network of sites which are high quality, have good content which is being regularly updated in the parallel maintenance phase and small traffic, which will add up to a huge one, from each site. Then, you can provide your main site some links from these sites in terms of your advertizement on each of the site, some links in terms of blogroll and some contextual links from home page and internal page. These microsites will be hosted on different c-class ips and will be maintained and updated regularly. This is by far the most valuable technique because, everything is yours and you don't have to go to anyone for buying links and pay them regularly to keep them there. Plus, the added advantage of this will be when you decide to build your own network, get domains which are aged and have some backlinks because google will value them for sure. This way, you will finally have a network of aged domains with high authority in google's eyes.

      Unfortunately, this will not be cheap and will require a lot of patience and effort. That is the main reason why a lot of people are not able to afford these services but for big clients in domains like accident claim (in UK), car insurance (in US) this technique works and has been working since a long time.
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      • Profile picture of the author scottmacair
        OP most of the services and 'SEO Gurus' here are a complete wast of time and money.

        There are a few people on the forum who are skilled in SEO but not many to be honest.

        If you know a little about SEO, monitor the forum and you'll soon get an idea of who has knowledge.

        One tip though - if you see anything like 'SEO Kung Fu Master', 'SEO Wizard', 'Link Building Guru', 'Bitch Slapping Penguin Killer' attached to an avatar then mentally delete these people.
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        • Profile picture of the author gotlinks
          Originally Posted by scottmacair View Post

          OP most of the services and 'SEO Gurus' here are a complete wast of time and money.

          There are a few people on the forum who are skilled in SEO but not many to be honest.

          If you know a little about SEO, monitor the forum and you'll soon get an idea of who has knowledge.

          One tip though - if you see anything like 'SEO Kung Fu Master', 'SEO Wizard', 'Link Building Guru', 'Bitch Slapping Penguin Killer' attached to an avatar then mentally delete these people.
          Hahahaha spoken like a real panda kunfu bitch slapping wizardly guru!

          Just playing. But seriously you are right. Most people have no clue and also wont admit when they don't. Its annoying.

          Like me for instances, I know how to rank a site and have done it for over 100 different websites. Does that make me a pro, guru or wizard? NOT AT ALL. But I do have results. However I am also not afraid to ask questions and learn more so that I can improve. SEO is like school. You can't stop progressing or you will flunk.
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        • Profile picture of the author longrobnc
          Originally Posted by scottmacair View Post

          OP most of the services and 'SEO Gurus' here are a complete wast of time and money.

          There are a few people on the forum who are skilled in SEO but not many to be honest.

          If you know a little about SEO, monitor the forum and you'll soon get an idea of who has knowledge.

          One tip though - if you see anything like 'SEO Kung Fu Master', 'SEO Wizard', 'Link Building Guru', 'Bitch Slapping Penguin Killer' attached to an avatar then mentally delete these people.
          I'm starting to agree with you! I've spent quite a lot with some of these folks. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm getting tired of seeing my site get booted from the serps.
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  • Profile picture of the author JK Nyerere
    Originally Posted by scottmacair View Post

    OP most of the services and 'SEO Gurus' here are a complete wast of time and money.

    There are a few people on the forum who are skilled in SEO but not many to be honest.

    If you know a little about SEO, monitor the forum and you'll soon get an idea of who has knowledge.

    One tip though - if you see anything like 'SEO Kung Fu Master', 'SEO Wizard', 'Link Building Guru', 'Bitch Slapping Penguin Killer' attached to an avatar then mentally delete these people.
    To the OP, there are 4 types of SEOs you can get.

    TYPE I)
    Amateur B*lack hatters. These guys abuse automated tools and will just ruin your site with spammy links. Stay a mile from them. Black hatters who know what they are doing will probably be making too much money to be offering any form of SEO services.

    TYPE II)
    Those who have read an ebook or two about SEO and are now offering link building services. This SEO type usually build links by using automated and semi-automated tools and they usually provide services for Social Bookmarking Submission, RSS Feed directory submission, Directory Submission, article spinning and directory submission, forum account creation and submission, populated with spun article blog creation from free blog sites, squidoo lense creation, hub page creation, etc. Such services are relatively useful if you have several disposable sites as sooner or later, Google will penalize you for using these grey hat methods. These methods usually do not pass a lot of authority to your target domain, but they do pass enough if you are after rankings for low competition keyword terms. Such services are popular for those webmasters with many sites. These methods worked well 7 years ago, but I find them just a waste of tiem these days. It is just creating unnecessary risk if you are promoting a real authroity site.

    TYPE III)
    The third group are SEOs are those who have their own large, high PR private blog networks (PBN). The best of the SEOs here on the WF will fall into this category. These pbn methods work very well even in the post penguin atmosphere for low to medium competition phrases. All you have to ensure is that you get a lot of diversity in the anchor link text and that the blog networks are not spammy in any way and are as seemingly real blogs with real traffic as possible. The only drawback to using these blog networks is that google has decimated the most public of the private blog networks recently, so the fear hear is if your PBN will be next.

    TYPE IV)
    The fourth group which you will unlikely find on the WF are those SEOs that put in-context links to your site on real authority niche specific sites. These are the dream team SEOs. The only drawaback to them is that such services are very expensive and are slower to show results. But once the results start showing, you may find your pages ranking for boat load of multiple long tail terms in addition to your targetted phrases. This is because the links they get you pass on real authority to your sites. Also note that such SEOs will not work with any old site. Your site must be of a certain quality.

    What I would recommend you do is that you buy another domain and get it indexed. This will be your spare domain in case you get decimated by Google. Getting it spidered and indexed now will help you avoid any apparent "sandbox" in case you need to move your content later.

    Meanwhile start with a good PBN and get your rankings moving. Make sure the PBN you use will be able to remove your links if need be at a later date. Also submit a few press releases. After 6 months or so after you get a bit of ongoing incoming income using the PBN, then hire the services of the Type IV SEOs in order to dominate your niche completely.
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