Site Hit by Panda Late Sept -- Can I Recover?

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I had a big authority site that ranked #1 for years.. for hundreds of terms.

On April 24th it got killed by penguin, although, not directly. It just went down to lower 1st page / 2nd page for its main terms.

I then recovered the site dramatically, and I'd say it was 80% back.

But then, sadly, it was mangled again with the Panda in late sept. It was NOT teh penguin update of early Oct. It seemed stable thru that.

My question:

IS this site recoverable? A lot of me thinks I should give up on it. But another part of me thinks I should strip out a lot of the content and 301 it back to the home page.

The site does not have any spun or duplicate content on it. However, it does have a lot of redundant content. I think that is where I went wrong.

Anyones thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
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  • Profile picture of the author bryanseo
    Most of the Penguin affected sites are unrecoverable, You can send a reconsideration request in Google Webmaster. But I don't think it will work.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chucky
    Originally Posted by The Oilman View Post

    Howdy

    I had a big authority site that ranked #1 for years.. for hundreds of terms.

    On April 24th it got killed by penguin, although, not directly. It just went down to lower 1st page / 2nd page for its main terms.

    I then recovered the site dramatically, and I'd say it was 80% back.

    But then, sadly, it was mangled again with the Panda in late sept. It was NOT teh penguin update of early Oct. It seemed stable thru that.

    My question:

    IS this site recoverable? A lot of me thinks I should give up on it. But another part of me thinks I should strip out a lot of the content and 301 it back to the home page.

    The site does not have any spun or duplicate content on it. However, it does have a lot of redundant content. I think that is where I went wrong.

    Anyones thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
    I have had over a dozen sites annhilated by Panda or Penguin and was never able to recover. However, I did have a lot of anchor text over optimization in my link building. And also bought many grey/black hat link building services. To date, have never been able to recover a single site. I submitted a reconsideration request once and they said my site doesn't meet their criteria or whatever. So what should I do? Go to all of those sites and ask that article with my link be removed? Not gonna happen in this lifetime.

    If you really really really want to save the site, then you'll have to completely restructure/reorganize your site, get any grey hat/black hat backlinks removed and submit a reconsideration request.

    Instead of 301 ing the individual pages to the homepage, people have also succeeded in redirecting the whole site to a different domain and the new site starts doing better. That might be one approach you want to try. I also read a post by a respected warrior recently that said he removed the content from the site, deleted the site, did nothing for 2 months (the idea was for the content to get removed from G index) and then 2 months later, he put that content on a completely new domain. And Voila, the new site started to do well! That might be something you want to try. I'd personally spend the time and money on a new site than trying to recover it!

    Hope that helps!
    Chucky
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  • Profile picture of the author radivoj
    I tried to recover one site in acne niche it was hit by panda april this year site was ranked #1 and drop the ranking all the way to page 10 I tried every possible methods from getting links from articles, web 2.0, high PR blog network , social bookmarks, press release, tweeter, Google +1, high PR blog commenting and so on I could get site to page 5 not any closer to page 1 I could not pass page 5 so I give up on the site and I notice sites that got hit by any Google penalty the ranking process goes extremely slow..my recommendation if you are trying to recover by panda hit domain just move on to another and build content and links....
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  • Profile picture of the author The Oilman
    I appreciate everyones responses.

    BUt I think that Penguin is mainly off-site / links. And I believe I fixed it with that. 80% fixed it. But then Panda came along and I think penalized it. In fact I know it did because I remember when ti happened:
    Panda #20 — September 27, 2012

    (Google Algorithm Change History | SEOmoz)


    NOw, I do think on the Penguin side of things I am OK -- but I just need to fix PANDA. And panda is purely on-site, correct?
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  • Profile picture of the author boxoun
    Have you tried de optimizing content and writing non targeted articles?
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  • Profile picture of the author The Oilman
    No but that i kind of what I am thinking needs to be done. 301 most of the content pages, and then put up some quality non-targeted stuff..
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  • Profile picture of the author SEO Haven
    One of our websites just popped back to its old spot today (it was gone from the 28th). With this particular site, we've continued link building the same way we have in the past, so it's probably not that that got it penalized in the first place.

    We made no changes to the site in terms of content, simply edited some meta tags and added a few quality backlinks. That's all.

    Of course, this will not work for ALL websites, and we've had to slightly change the strategy with every unique domain. So far we've recovered about 7/10 from the latest update using various techniques, the others are dancing around as we analyze our findings from the different methods.
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  • Profile picture of the author KingsFan
    Oilman i am in the same position but was not able to recover yet from Penguin. Could you share some advise on how you did it? The reason i think we were hit was over use of one anchor text for the majority of our links. Was this the case for you as well?
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  • Profile picture of the author kashyaplakkad
    Well, First of all 301 all low quality content page. Re optimize site and don't do over On Page Optimization. Check all backlinks and send request to remove bad or low quality backlinks. Gray hat or black hat backlinks may hit your site.

    Use new Google Disavow links tool to remove quality backlinks. It will help you to recover site.
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  • Profile picture of the author The Oilman
    But since its a Panda hit, why should I care about the backlinks? I know it was panda #20 for sure,.. as it happened on the exact date as Panda #20.
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  • Profile picture of the author jfambrini
    If Google has not told you that you have been penalized the you are okay. it just means that you are a blip on the radar but not evil enough to be shot. Two of my sites suffered badly and four months later they are recovering on their won without me doing anything. i had given up on those site and now they are back to 50% of their original traffic. I believe if I had changed some of the content and added links from high authority pages I would have recovered completely. i will give this idea a try in the next few weeks but so far I have been happy with its recovery. After the P&P hits the sites were never on page 1 and 2 and now they can be seen on page 1 and 2 on over 50% of the relevant searches and are even 1 and 2 on some searches.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheFBGuy
    Well, you had a good run, number 1 for years... i just think Google has decided to end the relationship , its suffice to say the site made you some good money?
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  • Profile picture of the author The Oilman
    Well no I didn't receive anything in WMT.
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  • Profile picture of the author keokeo123
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    Panda and Penguin have killed my website . means killing me. All keywords gone from top 10
    Oh dear !
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  • Profile picture of the author brettb
    I've never recovered a site - the best thing is usually to start over.

    You'll drive yourself mad trying to figure out what's wrong with your sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author hadtic
    Any site hit by Panda can recover as i have recovered mine from both Panda and Penguin hits but it takes time. Here is some tips for Panda recovery that i have found useful. Get site load speed down to less than 3 seconds, remove any ads above the fold, never have keywords in more than 3 consecutive articles, make sure you have all the relevant pages ie disclaimer, disclosure etc, post to the site every week, change font size and there is dozens of more things you could do but i hope this helps. Good Luck with the recovery
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    • Profile picture of the author debra
      Originally Posted by hadtic View Post

      Any site hit by Panda can recover as i have recovered mine from both Panda and Penguin hits but it takes time. Here is some tips for Panda recovery that i have found useful. Get site load speed down to less than 3 seconds, remove any ads above the fold, never have keywords in more than 3 consecutive articles, make sure you have all the relevant pages ie disclaimer, disclosure etc, post to the site every week, change font size and there is dozens of more things you could do but i hope this helps. Good Luck with the recovery
      Actually, this is some of what I did. Within a week I was smokin' it again.
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  • Profile picture of the author maxaurelius
    I think the worst thing you can do is to start moving things around on your site, horrible idea. Don't mess with the 301 or anchor texts or whatever it is. Just start building better links to authority sites.

    If you think that all is lost with the site after your attempt, start fresh and send your traffic(whatever is left) to a new domain on a new ip. Rebuild that way, built going back and remidiating tons of 301 and anchors and etc is not worth it as far as i'm concerned.
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    • Profile picture of the author debra
      The same timing happened to me and I had to figure out which update effected me.

      My situation was mainly the layout. One to many amazon banners above the fold. I rearrangement my layout a bit and within a week I'm back buzzin' it on not only Google but across the board on Yahoo and Bing. I dropped completely, like being de-indexed, on Bing and now I'm riding tall again.

      If it's Panda...it's definitely recoverable unless your blog is one of those absentee autoblogs carrying pre-approval.
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