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Death of backlinks?!

by red zambala
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Hello,

Earler this year I was little involved in internet marketing, and everyone was teaching -
1. create a website
2. set all external links to "nofollow"
3. do backlinking

- so, for a while I was involved in building a good, bigger website....
- and now I'm back - and what do I see - a new Google Penguin
- all backlink syndicates are banned by google.
- Everywhere you go all external links are "nofollow"...

- most video sharing sites doesn't allow clickable links at all, and where they are allowed - they are nofollow,
- almost everywhere you go - the backlinks are nofollow

- Does it mean "nofollow" did bring us the End of Backlinking?
#backlinks #death
  • Profile picture of the author Eugeanne
    No, but it would be help if you are going to use the combination of do follow and no follow tags
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  • Profile picture of the author MatthewWoodward
    I stopped caring about nofollow / dofollow ~18 months ago.

    You might benefit from The Ultimate Guide To Tiered Link Building Part 1 - Matthew Woodward

    Also what makes you think you need to do any link building/seo at all to make money?

    I did nearly $6k without ANY SEO - How To Find & Engage Your Target Audience Online For Profit - Matthew Woodward
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  • Profile picture of the author keyuria
    I totally agree with Mathew - Forget about backlinking.

    If your blog or website is perfect and user friendly, people will link to your site automatically and you won't have to go searching for them.
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    • Profile picture of the author red zambala
      Thanks
      Great idea, to create a perfect site and everything will come naturally
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      • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
        Originally Posted by red zambala View Post

        Thanks
        Great idea, to create a perfect site and everything will come naturally
        Yeah, just sit around and wait for all the 'natural links' to come in. Check back in a year and count your cash.

        Do you really believe this?
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        • Profile picture of the author keyuria
          Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

          Yeah, just sit around and wait for all the 'natural links' to come in. Check back in a year and count your cash.

          Do you really believe this?
          I want you to believe this. Today I created quality content on my blog and is now ranked in top positions for different keywords within 3 hours. Check it out for yourself.

          I have not given it a single backlink. I used only pinger.

          Click here to visit the post and the proof.

          That is why I say, Original Content still rules and will continue to do so. Just write quality content and put in value for whatever you are doing. It will definitely give you some push.
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          • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
            Originally Posted by keyuria View Post

            I want you to believe this. Today I created quality content on my blog and is now ranked in top positions for different keywords within 3 hours. Check it out for yourself.

            I have not given it a single backlink. I used only pinger.

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            That is why I say, Original Content still rules and will continue to do so. Just write quality content and put in value for whatever you are doing. It will definitely give you some push.
            For low competition keywords I have no doubt you don't need backlinks. Your on-page SEO will be enough. However, once the competition starts and your competitors have backlinks, on-page is no longer enough.

            Congrats on the ranking. BTW, you just created a backlink to the post. (And you used anchor text) You're learning fast
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            • Profile picture of the author keyuria
              Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

              For low competition keywords I have no doubt you don't need backlinks. Your on-page SEO will be enough. However, once the competition starts and your competitors have backlinks, on-page is no longer enough.

              Congrats on the ranking. BTW, you just created a backlink to the post. (And you used anchor text) You're learning fast
              I have just removed the link and is using now Click here to get in the URL.

              After penguin and later updates, On-Page is getting more and more popular. I agree with you that with tough keyword it is not possible to rank that fast but with time it all happens.
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              • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
                Originally Posted by keyuria View Post

                I have just removed the link and is using now Click here to get in the URL.

                After penguin and later updates, On-Page is getting more and more popular. I agree with you that with tough keyword it is not possible to rank that fast but with time it all happens.
                You didn't need to remove the link on my behalf I'm not the Google police!

                I hear what you're saying and I'll keep an open mind. I examine backlinks every day and most competitive terms have a lot of them. If pages with no backlinks start showing up, I'll believe it.
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                • Profile picture of the author keyuria
                  Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

                  You didn't need to remove the link on my behalf I'm not the Google police!

                  I hear what you're saying and I'll keep an open mind. I examine backlinks every day and most competitive terms have a lot of them. If pages with no backlinks start showing up, I'll believe it.
                  I know you are not Google Police. .

                  It is also for others to believe and write quality original content.
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                  • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
                    Originally Posted by keyuria View Post

                    I know you are not Google Police. .

                    It is also for others to believe and write quality original content.
                    I agree about high-quality content. No matter what, you should always try and put up the best possible content. It's one thing to 'get traffic' but you still have to impress the people when they get there.
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              • Profile picture of the author gotlinks
                Originally Posted by keyuria View Post

                I have just removed the link and is using now Click here to get in the URL.

                After penguin and later updates, On-Page is getting more and more popular. I agree with you that with tough keyword it is not possible to rank that fast but with time it all happens.
                Just changing one link will not affect much.

                You need to do this to lots of links to change up anchor variations.
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          • Profile picture of the author The Mysterious Marketer
            Originally Posted by keyuria View Post

            I want you to believe this. Today I created quality content on my blog and is now ranked in top positions for different keywords within 3 hours. Check it out for yourself.

            I have not given it a single backlink. I used only pinger.

            Click here to visit the post and the proof.

            That is why I say, Original Content still rules and will continue to do so. Just write quality content and put in value for whatever you are doing. It will definitely give you some push.
            Congrats on your great keyword rankings.

            Original content definitely rules.

            But, do consider mixing in backlinks with your original content strategy for faster results.

            I did an experiment with sites doing backlinking and sites not doing backlinking, and sites doing backlinking can get 10 to 30 times more traffic in the same time frame as sites not doing backlinking:

            http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...-building.html
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        • Profile picture of the author MatthewWoodward
          Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

          Yeah, just sit around and wait for all the 'natural links' to come in. Check back in a year and count your cash.

          Do you really believe this?
          I used to have similar thoughts

          but after setting up this experiment The Google Webmaster Guidelines Experiment - Matthew Woodward

          Well what can I say - if you follow the income reports you will see I'm #1 for a range of terms the bring me money daily basis including a front page ranking for the term 'buy seo'

          So not only do I believe this, you can watch it happen live.
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          • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
            Originally Posted by MatthewWoodward View Post

            I used to have similar thoughts

            but after setting up this experiment The Google Webmaster Guidelines Experiment - Matthew Woodward

            Well what can I say - if you follow the income reports you will see I'm #1 for a range of terms the bring me money daily basis including a front page ranking for the term 'buy seo'

            So not only do I believe this, you can watch it happen live.
            Matthew,

            You didn't just wait around for your post "Don't Buy SEO Link Monster" to gather links on your own. You posted links to the post at John Chow, Traffic Planet, and on Warrior Forum. The John Chow links are nofollow, but the Traffic Planet and WF forums are 'dofollow.'

            That's hardly a miracle of natural 'link earning' there buddy

            BTW, I'm not sure why, but when I directly go to google.co.uk and type Buy SEO, you don't come up at all. If I use a proxy, you're in number two.

            In any event, good job on the income. That's the really the only thing that counts about this game.
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            • Profile picture of the author MatthewWoodward
              Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

              Matthew,

              You didn't just wait around for your post "Don't Buy SEO Link Monster" to gather links on your own. You posted links to the post at John Chow, Traffic Planet, and on Warrior Forum. The John Chow links are nofollow, but the Traffic Planet and WF forums are 'dofollow.'

              That's hardly a miracle of natural 'link earning' there buddy

              BTW, I'm not sure why, but when I directly go to google.co.uk and type Buy SEO, you don't come up at all. If I use a proxy, you're in number two.

              In any event, good job on the income. That's the really the only thing that counts about this game.
              Yes that is all very true indeed - the Buy SEO post actually attracted links from a lot of places that I didn't create though.

              Unfortunately my traffic strategy does mean I have to create some links but because for the most part 95% of these come from the same handful of domains the links should hold little to no value.

              EDIT: Wow just checked its moved up to the number 2 position this end as well :S
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              • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
                Originally Posted by MatthewWoodward View Post

                Yes that is all very true indeed - the Buy SEO post actually attracted links from a lot of places that I didn't create though.

                Unfortunately my traffic strategy does mean I have to create some links but because for the most part 95% of these come from the same handful of domains the links should hold little to no value.

                EDIT: Wow just checked its moved up to the number 2 position this end as well :S
                IMHO it doesn't diminish the accomplishment whether you earned'em or built'em. Either way, good job on the ranking
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                • Profile picture of the author MatthewWoodward
                  Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

                  IMHO it doesn't diminish the accomplishment whether you earned'em or built'em. Either way, good job on the ranking
                  Thank you It has since moved up to number 1 in the UK for 'buy seo'

                  Not that I'm claiming any credit for this - it was a complete fluke and happened by accident, see how long it sticks around for ^^
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                  • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
                    Originally Posted by MatthewWoodward View Post

                    Thank you It has since moved up to number 1 in the UK for 'buy seo'

                    Not that I'm claiming any credit for this - it was a complete fluke and happened by accident, see how long it sticks around for ^^
                    Good work. You're in number 5 in the USA too. With your head shot attached

                    I also got an email recently where an IM mentioned you as a success story. So you're definitely getting the word out!
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  • Profile picture of the author ronnieavelino
    Originally Posted by red zambala View Post

    Hello,

    Earler this year I was little involved in internet marketing, and everyone was teaching -
    1. create a website
    2. set all external links to "nofollow"
    3. do backlinking

    - so, for a while I was involved in building a good, bigger website....
    - and now I'm back - and what do I see - a new Google Penguin
    - all backlink syndicates are banned by google.
    - Everywhere you go all external links are "nofollow"...

    - most video sharing sites doesn't allow clickable links at all, and where they are allowed - they are nofollow,
    - almost everywhere you go - the backlinks are nofollow

    - Does it mean "nofollow" did bring us the End of Backlinking?
    Hi,

    There are many benefits of link even it is no follow. One example is on Youtube, when you are targeting a keywords that are profitable or you can make money out of it, then do a video marketing and submit it to Youtube. You know that the links you put in your video description is no follow BUT it can give you a lots of traffics and money to your site. Many Warriors are earning from Youtube even the link is no follow

    Regards,

    Ronnie
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  • Profile picture of the author awj888
    keep on keepin on, theres the right way and wrong way,
    no follow and do follow should both be used, keep it natural
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  • Profile picture of the author red5host
    do combo of nofollow to lesser rankin sites and follow to higher. get links from greater pr sites to yours naturally and they will count. avoid mass backlinking.
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  • Profile picture of the author The Mysterious Marketer
    Originally Posted by red zambala View Post

    Hello,

    Earler this year I was little involved in internet marketing, and everyone was teaching -
    1. create a website
    2. set all external links to "nofollow"
    3. do backlinking

    - so, for a while I was involved in building a good, bigger website....
    - and now I'm back - and what do I see - a new Google Penguin
    - all backlink syndicates are banned by google.
    - Everywhere you go all external links are "nofollow"...

    - most video sharing sites doesn't allow clickable links at all, and where they are allowed - they are nofollow,
    - almost everywhere you go - the backlinks are nofollow

    - Does it mean "nofollow" did bring us the End of Backlinking?
    Not really. Even if some sites are going nofollow with backlinks, there are still a ton of sites that offer dofollow baclinks.

    Like the WarriorForum for example...

    Some people even say that their experiments show that Google still credits no-follow links... So I wouldn't worry about it too much.
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    • Profile picture of the author Adamw
      No follow"" or "Do follow" doesn't make that much difference. It's all about the context of the content around the link now. One contextual link is worth at least 100 spammy ones.
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  • Profile picture of the author mgreener
    There's a lot of misinformation in this thread.

    No, it's not the end of backlinking and there won't be an end for the foreseeable future. Links are what make the web A WEB!

    Yes, you must create quality, create an awesome user experience and give people what they are searching for. That's just step 1. Then people need ways of finding it, backlinks (which can be in various forms) will help them find it, which will in turn help to increase your ranking.
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  • Profile picture of the author keyuria
    I am not against backlinks.

    I totally agree with mgreener here.
    Originally Posted by mgreener View Post

    Then people need ways of finding it, backlinks (which can be in various forms) will help them find it, which will in turn help to increase your ranking.
    This is the type of backlinks that we should encourage in our link building strategies. To put the backlinks where people really read content and not where only search engine bots go.
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  • Profile picture of the author sham2
    i am also agree with mgreener you have to find the way to your success. there is always a key to success you have to find it.
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  • Profile picture of the author SEO Dude
    I still think you need to create good backlinks. Everyone says if you have great content the links will follow. This is true up to a point. However, it is hard to have great content if you have a plumbing business in Chicago. Anyway, I still think getting good backlinks is important.
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    • Profile picture of the author keyuria
      Originally Posted by SEO Dude View Post

      I still think you need to create good backlinks. Everyone says if you have great content the links will follow. This is true up to a point. However, it is hard to have great content if you have a plumbing business in Chicago. Anyway, I still think getting good backlinks is important.
      Backlinks are good and is a good sign for the website. The problem is so many IMers employ bad link building strategies and end up being penalized by Google.

      Link building should be done for readers and not for search engines. The day one understand this, his website and link building strategies will excel.
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  • Profile picture of the author FrankRumbauskas
    SEO is strange. Some sites need to be HAMMERED with links to rank for competitive keywords.

    But then there is my AdWords blog. I've done ZERO SEO on this site - I mean NO link building AT ALL - and out of nowhere it ranks #4 for "adwords blog" - which really means #3 since the official Google AdWords blog will always hold #1.
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    • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
      Originally Posted by FrankRumbauskas View Post

      SEO is strange. Some sites need to be HAMMERED with links to rank for competitive keywords.

      But then there is my AdWords blog. I've done ZERO SEO on this site - I mean NO link building AT ALL - and out of nowhere it ranks #4 for "adwords blog" - which really means #3 since the official Google AdWords blog will always hold #1.
      Frank, when did it start ranking? Was it after any particular update? Good job, BTW
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  • Profile picture of the author darrel72
    Backlinks are really only necessary if you're going after competitive keyword phrases.
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