What if i do not mind my google ranking... would this work?

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OK, first of all I normally hate black hat and i am all about a clean link profile. But something got me thinking and I really would like some opinions about the matter I am about to discuss.

What if I register a domain, do not care about google, let people on fiverr spin an article and submit it to about 100k article directories.

I know I will get a penalty, but let's say this sqeeuze page is all about buying traffic, so you do not need google but you are dependant on other sites and articles. Basically buying all traffic.

Now would this work?
I mean quite simply stated (hypothetically) if every article generates 1 visitor, this will mean 100k visitors.

Is this stupid to give it a test and try spending 100 dollars on it?

Once again, I am all about whitehat and building a long term business, just thinking about the matter. Is this insane?
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  • Profile picture of the author connorbringas
    Go for it, sounds like a quality test to me. I agree I am all about whitehat, but people definitely do this. In fact, once I purchased the right to write on 40 different blogs and it cost me 50 bucks. If each person paid 50 bucks to write on those blogs-well you do the math.

    Pretty good money if you ask me, not sure if you were directly talking about this example or not.
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    • Profile picture of the author connorbringas
      I read your post again and let me try to rephrase my answer. 100k visits that arent quality visits probably isnt worth your time to spend money on..Your bounce rate would probably be in the high 90s.
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      • Profile picture of the author sabluuk
        Originally Posted by connorbringas View Post

        I read your post again and let me try to rephrase my answer. 100k visits that arent quality visits probably isnt worth your time to spend money on..Your bounce rate would probably be in the high 90s.
        I would be happy with 90% bounce in this case. Since it simply means 10% stays and since it is a squeeze page they have opted in. Otherwise they won't see the second page This means 10k on your list.

        No i think that is way high, but let's say it is 1%, then it still is 1k optins for a few dollar.

        It ofcourse is up to you to make a good article about for instance Internet Marketing and create a freebie for your list. The article that is spun is about IM, so people clicking are atleast a little interested right?

        1%, i would sign for that.
        Still sounds like a fun test
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  • Profile picture of the author RobinInTexas
    My gut feeling, and some experience, suggests that you will generate junk traffic. I have some low quality wordpress sites that get what appears to be little more than spammers looking to build backlinks. They are not gonna ever give back the cost of one fiverr gig.

    You may get better results. Report back if you try it.
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  • Profile picture of the author petemcal
    The problem is that a lot of the article submissions on fiverr are created in dark corners of the web that will never be seen by human eyes. They are created for the purpose of getting them google indexed and adding a tiny fraction of link juice (usually for tier 2 backlinks).

    If you have the money to spend though I'd say go for it. It would be a really interesting experiment!
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    • Profile picture of the author sabluuk
      Originally Posted by petemcal View Post

      The problem is that a lot of the article submissions on fiverr are created in dark corners of the web that will never be seen by human eyes. They are created for the purpose of getting them google indexed and adding a tiny fraction of link juice (usually for tier 2 backlinks).

      If you have the money to spend though I'd say go for it. It would be a really interesting experiment!
      That is exactly what i think. I would aproach this as a test since i am almost certain that the page would get a penalty.

      If 30% of the articles are actually viewed by the public or even 10%, then this experiment would succeed.

      Still hungry for more opinions though
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    • Profile picture of the author hocuspocus32
      Originally Posted by petemcal View Post

      The problem is that a lot of the article submissions on fiverr are created in dark corners of the web that will never be seen by human eyes. They are created for the purpose of getting them google indexed and adding a tiny fraction of link juice (usually for tier 2 backlinks).

      If you have the money to spend though I'd say go for it. It would be a really interesting experiment!

      thats what its going to happen, no traffic will come from these articles that you post, it isnt worth even trying, getting on top of google is hard and needs patience but once you are there all the patience and effort u have put in will work like a charm.
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  • Profile picture of the author shawoon98
    You are again planning to do what people have already stopped doing it. I suggest you spend your $100 creating articles and submitting it to ezinearticles.

    WHY??? Because even if I need an article to syndicate quick, I'll go to ezinearticles. High PR and popular sites like ezinearticles may not have that value in google's eyes any more, but they still have value to the people who depend on article syndication.

    Another better way is to sign up in Directory of Ezines where you can find syndicators to syndicate your article. With One single article written right, you can generate tons of traffic, build list and make money.

    Read this link here http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5035794

    So, think about syndicating more than submitting to 1000s of useless sites who are struggling for their own survival.

    Hope that helps.
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    Originally Posted by sabluuk View Post

    OK, first of all I normally hate black hat and i am all about a clean link profile. But something got me thinking and I really would like some opinions about the matter I am about to discuss.

    What if I register a domain, do not care about google, let people on fiverr spin an article and submit it to about 100k article directories.

    I know I will get a penalty, but let's say this sqeeuze page is all about buying traffic, so you do not need google but you are dependant on other sites and articles. Basically buying all traffic.

    Now would this work?
    I mean quite simply stated (hypothetically) if every article generates 1 visitor, this will mean 100k visitors.

    Is this stupid to give it a test and try spending 100 dollars on it?

    Once again, I am all about whitehat and building a long term business, just thinking about the matter. Is this insane?
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    • Profile picture of the author sabluuk
      Originally Posted by shawoon98 View Post

      You are again planning to do what people have already stopped doing it. I suggest you spend your $100 creating articles and submitting it to ezinearticles.

      WHY??? Because even if I need an article to syndicate quick, I'll go to ezinearticles. High PR and popular sites like ezinearticles may not have that value in google's eyes any more, but they still have value to the people who depend on article syndication.

      Another better way is to sign up in Directory of Ezines where you can find syndicators to syndicate your article. With One single article written right, you can generate tons of traffic, build list and make money.

      Read this link here http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5035794

      So, think about syndicating more than submitting to 1000s of useless sites who are struggling for their own survival.

      Hope that helps.
      -M. Bari
      Certainly helps! I do not really mind the 100 dollar though, it is all about the test. But i can also make another test with this too, would be a good testcase right?

      Do not get me wrong, i know enough (ofcourse not all) about traffic getting, and i do agree with you that this is probably the better way. It is all about the test
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by sabluuk View Post

    I mean quite simply stated (hypothetically) if every article generates 1 visitor, this will mean 100k visitors.
    They won't.

    The proportion of them ever really published anywhere will be tiny, and quite a lot more than 99% of those will never even be read by anyone. And most of the much-less-than-1% that are read by anyone won't produce a "meaningful visitor" in the sense that you mean it (of "someone from whose visit you might gain anything"). Your visitors will be the occasional bot, the occasional random one and possibly the occasional competitor/person with a sense of the macabre wondering who you are and what you're doing and why.

    Originally Posted by sabluuk View Post

    Is this stupid to give it a test and try spending 100 dollars on it?
    No, because for $100 you can satisfy yourself that it doesn't work.

    You can't satisfy yourself of that by reading my answer here (or anyone else's) and probably rightly so, too. Because however much I know about articles and spinning and article directories and how they work, that isn't something I've done for nearly 4 years. When I did it (or something similar) I got nothing from it at all, and I know why, and I know that the chances of it working now are - for many reasons - far lower than they ever were then. But you don't know that, and that's perfectly reasonable, because you have only my word for it: I'm not criticising you for wanting to try it, and find out for yourself, at all. And it's only $100, you say.

    (There's almost no question that you'll eventually be heavily penalized or delisted by Google, clearly - but that's "common ground", and you know that already and obviously won't try it with a page you actually care about).
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    • Profile picture of the author TerranceCharles
      I say go for it, but you can test on a smaller scale. Get some high quality articles, spin them and submit them to the most popular directories so you can see how it's affecting your traffic.

      Just don't purchase a spinner gig from Fiverr, I've done it twice and didn't receive much traffic or back-links, they submit to article directories no one ever visits and duplicates the results.
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      • Profile picture of the author sabluuk
        Originally Posted by TerranceCharles View Post

        I say go for it, but you can test on a smaller scale. Get some high quality articles, spin them and submit them to the most popular directories so you can see how it's affecting your traffic.

        Just don't purchase a spinner gig from Fiverr, I've done it twice and didn't receive much traffic or back-links, they submit to article directories no one ever visits and duplicates the results.
        The thing is I do not want to spend too mucht time on it since it is a simple test to see if you can get traffic with little work

        Besides that I have money on Fiverr just sitting there. But that is a sidenote and not the main discussion.

        I am not saying I am going to do this, I am sparring with you guys
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    • Profile picture of the author sabluuk
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      They won't.

      The proportion of them ever really published anywhere will be tiny, and quite a lot more than 99% of those will never even be read by anyone. And most of the much-less-than-1% that are read by anyone won't produce a "meaningful visitor" in the sense that you mean it (of "someone from whose visit you might gain anything"). Your visitors will be the occasional bot, the occasional random one and possibly the occasional competitor/person with a sense of the macabre wondering who you are and what you're doing and why.



      No, because for $100 you can satisfy yourself that it doesn't work.

      You can't satisfy yourself of that by reading my answer here (or anyone else's) and probably rightly so, too. Because however much I know about articles and spinning and article directories and how they work, that isn't something I've done for nearly 4 years. When I did it (or something similar) I got nothing from it at all, and I know why, and I know that the chances of it working now are - for many reasons - far lower than they ever were then. But you don't know that, and that's perfectly reasonable, because you have only my word for it: I'm not criticising you for wanting to try it, and find out for yourself, at all. And it's only $100, you say.

      (There's almost no question that you'll eventually be heavily penalized or delisted by Google, clearly - but that's "common ground", and you know that already and obviously won't try it with a page you actually care about).
      Spot on and I do net feel critisized. I am simply trying to get some opinions. I always like your (long) posts and advice, I really appreciate it a lot!

      After reading this I am not sure if I am still going to try this (allthough it still itches ). What would you do if you do not care about Google Ranking but simply try to get traffic fast to build a list in the IM business fast?

      Besides that a side question. My thinking is born because I have aprox 100 dollar in my Fiverr acount (due to none delivery of gigs). What would you do with that.

      Once again I really value your opinion Alexa and I take no offence by it
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    • Profile picture of the author Jesse L
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      They won't.
      No, because for $100 you can satisfy yourself that it doesn't work.

      You can't satisfy yourself of that by reading my answer here (or anyone else's) and probably rightly so, too. Because however much I know about articles and spinning and article directories and how they work, that isn't something I've done for nearly 4 years. When I did it (or something similar) I got nothing from it at all, and I know why, and I know that the chances of it working now are - for many reasons - far lower than they ever were then. But you don't know that, and that's perfectly reasonable, because you have only my word for it: I'm not criticising you for wanting to try it, and find out for yourself, at all. And it's only $100, you say.
      Brilliant reply!
      There is no better lesson than experience...

      And who knows, he just might get lucky.


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    • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      No, because for $100 you can satisfy yourself that it doesn't work.
      Interesting perspective. And what's even more interesting is I almost never consider it in threads like this one. I just spent a couple hundred bucks testing something. It was disappointing. I should have known because the offer has great appeal to a certain targeted audience. I thought it just might do well with the general population as well. Nope.

      To the OP. This is actually a terrible idea for pretty much the same reason.
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      • Profile picture of the author sabluuk
        Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

        Interesting perspective. And what's even more interesting is I almost never consider it in threads like this one. I just spent a couple hundred bucks testing something. It was disappointing. I should have known because the offer has great appeal to a certain targeted audience. I thought it just might do well with the general population as well. Nope.

        To the OP. This is actually a terrible idea for pretty much the same reason.
        Haha, thank you for being straight forward. To assure you I know the right way to build an authority site though which I did succesfully

        This just got me thinking and i really love the discussion and all the different opinions.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    Well, judging by your signature line (FREE EBOOK: "From 0 to 200 euro (258.32 dollar) a day in only 4 months") you would think the answer would be obvious for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author onSubie
    Hi

    For an experiment, and to satisfy yourself, it may be worth blowing $100. As you said, Alexa's answer was spot-on.

    But if that is an actually traffic generating budget and not from the experiment jar, you would be better to spend that money getting more targeted traffic by buying banner ads on related niche sites, or buying links in popular YouTube videos (for example).

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  • Profile picture of the author sabluuk
    I know alexa is right and i know that probably your suggestions will work better to, But indeed to satisfy myself i still might try
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  • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
    First off I am going against the grain a little but ... go for it.

    Everyone better get them a test site. One completely independent of replying on Google for anything. Throw as many different traffic sources at it as your budget allows. AS far as doing the experiment you are suggesting, maybe a true story will help.

    Back a couple of years ago I had a pretty elaborate linking system set up. I won't discuss the first five tiers but they are a prime example of a cleaner/multiplier designed to clean a lot of links and squeeze all the juice systematically to the second tier authority sites. Yeah .. never have wanted to SEO my money sites in the top tier.

    I didn't worry with spinning anything. I would have one article sitting in 300,000 locations pointing to the cleaner tier. One cleaner would eventually have 12 to 1,500 of these article strings.

    These articles were not meant to get traffic but were meant to, and at the time did, place a lot of link juice in one concentrated place. That resulted in some very good rankings for some very good keywords like 101 marketing strategies and it's relatives. I was number one for over a year and a half.

    The exact same set up will no longer rank a site .. those link are now completely worthless in Google's eyes. No traffic whatsoever (beside some bots) ever trickle up to the cleaner .. none .. ever.

    I had my own network of blogs, directories, bookmark sites, and web 2.0 sites just for the purpose of getting indexed and crawled but not for human consumption and this is also why the directories you are talking of were built.

    Set up the test site but consider advice from someone who has already tried the test ... use a different traffic strategy and save your money.
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    • Profile picture of the author Same
      Go for it. Be sure to come back and let us know.
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  • Profile picture of the author KenThompson
    Just about anything is worth testing. Run this test, and then try pointing those links to some open (non-linked) web 2-oh properties and then your main one, the squeeze I guess. You may be surprised by either one.
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  • Profile picture of the author shane_k
    instead of spending your cash on potentially crappy and useless spun articles, why not do a bit of research, find some blogs, forums and other sites that are in your specific niche, and then contact those sites and offer yoru $100 to them to place a banner on their site for a week or two?

    This will drive more targeted traffic to your site, traffic that will actually be interested in the same topic that whatever you are promoting is about, and also increase the chances of someone actually buying.
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  • Profile picture of the author sabluuk
    I am still hessitating, but I lean towards not doing this test.
    Would be a nice test tho, but if it is bound to fail before the test, then why test it right?

    BTW: Lot's of you are talking about linkjuice. That is still depending on G. I am talking about direct traffic without any search.

    I will open an new topic with a different question stating "what would you do to get a 1k list with a 100 dollar budget". Maybe a better question
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    • Profile picture of the author hocuspocus32
      Originally Posted by sabluuk View Post

      I am still hessitating, but I lean towards not doing this test.
      Would be a nice test tho, but if it is bound to fail before the test, then why test it right?

      BTW: Lot's of you are talking about linkjuice. That is still depending on G. I am talking about direct traffic without any search.

      I will open an new topic with a different question stating "what would you do to get a 1k list with a 100 dollar budget". Maybe a better question

      as you expect NO direct traffic will be there, you will feel ashamed by seeing the traffic that these articles brings in , dont waste money even if its $5 use whitehat and make it grow, you are building a business not a one time site take your attitude that way
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  • Profile picture of the author WeavingThoughts
    The method you are talking about has probably been saturated and burned already. Like a decade or so ago. My guess, that is.
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  • If you are going to submit your articles in 100k article directories, many article directories are likely to take some times to approve your articles in their directories. Many of them will decline your articles. 100k is a very big number but to get 100K visitors from them, will take you ages. Because most of the articles directories except some high PR article directories like ezine, articlebase etc, are worthless and people hardly visit them to read an article and also they hardly appear in any google result.
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  • Profile picture of the author Craig B
    Maybe it will work. After all, I'm surprised this thread has received this many lengthy answers, considering that spun content from Fiverr is basically equivalent to Chinese characters
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  • Profile picture of the author satrap
    Here is the thing though, you will not get even 1 visit from most of those articles. Thats the problem with it. I mean, most of these so called "article sites" that they publish your post to, are not seen by any real readers ever.

    If it was that easy, why would anyone bother with Google. Think about it, you could submit 1 artcile to 2000 sites a day and 1 visit from each site would give you 2000 UV a day. Thats more than enough to make you a comfortable living depending on your niche.

    But, that doesn't work this way. These are not real sites visited by people.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      The first crazy thought is that there are 100K article sites that
      get any semblance of even 1 visitor to a specific article. Sure,
      it might happen. In 1,000 years time...

      The article directories that even show a blip on the radar could
      be counted on one hand.

      Now if you could 100K facebook posts, (real posts) and/or
      100K retweets, real retweets....

      Using just round numbers, you probably would need a 100,000,000
      of those to get anywhere near 100K real visitors.

      You won't 100K real visitors from $100 worth of fiverr.

      In fact, give me $100, I'll give you $50 back. That's $50
      more than you would get in return from a $100 investment
      on fiverr.

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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    I always like that fiverr thinking (It's only $5).

    Doesn't matter If it works, it's only $5.

    Does 1,000 worthy article sites even exist? I'm sure every fiverr gig would be blasting the same few sites that don't moderate anything.
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