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A company that is not ranked? How can you trust someone to do your own SEO if they cannot rank themselves? Isn't SEO 101
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  • Profile picture of the author kimseo
    Originally Posted by Morphius View Post

    A company that is not ranked? How can you trust someone to do your own SEO if they cannot rank themselves? Isn't SEO 101
    It depends!
    Example:
    Suppose someone just started seo business. It's very much obvious that his/her site will not be ranked but it doesn't mean that the person doesn't know SEO.
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  • Profile picture of the author retsek
    Nope, I wouldn't.

    SEO 101 tip for you: Stuffing los angeles FIVE TIMES into your title tag isn't helping you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Morphius
      Originally Posted by retsek View Post

      Nope, I wouldn't.

      SEO 101 tip for you: Stuffing los angeles FIVE TIMES into your title tag isn't helping you.
      So why am I ranked smart ass?
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      • Profile picture of the author connorbringas
        Originally Posted by Morphius View Post

        So why am I ranked smart ass?
        Well the title tag you have is way to long, and you arent necessarily ranked very well-second page. Title tag length-67 characters, delete your meta keywords google doesnt use them anymore, and 155 characters for meta descriptions.

        Also, no follow your twitter, facebook, and youtube icons. Lastly, you need a sitemap-cant find it.
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      • Profile picture of the author retsek
        Originally Posted by Morphius View Post

        So why am I ranked smart ass?
        Don't see you first page for any of the keywords you're stuffin' for. Just tryin' to help
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        • Profile picture of the author Morphius
          Originally Posted by retsek View Post

          Don't see you first page for any of the keywords you're stuffin' for. Just tryin' to help
          Try

          SEO Company Los Angeles
          SEO Services Los Angeles
          If you from the LA area, we have 7 more keywords on the first page. But the above should work from your end too.
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  • Profile picture of the author awj888
    theres only room for 1 site in the top place for a keyword, if they are not ranking for 'seo' doesnt men they don't know what they are doing,
    know what to look for in quality services! - but yes, they should rank for something!
    or be able to demonstrate with casse studies
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    • Profile picture of the author limestone614
      Originally Posted by awj888 View Post

      theres only room for 1 site in the top place for a keyword, if they are not ranking for 'seo' doesnt men they don't know what they are doing,
      know what to look for in quality services! - but yes, they should rank for something!
      or be able to demonstrate with casse studies
      AWJ888 is spot on, and I would 100% say you should use a company that does not rank for a search term such as "SEO", or "SEO Services" - and WHY?

      The company in 1st is in all likelyhood spending much of their clients money to gain the rankings for themselves, those keywords are super competitive.
      Pile em high and sell them cheap.

      The market leader in search in the UK, or one of them at least has 1000 customers paying on average £500/month.

      We perform zero SEO on our own site now, in fact it is now practically devoid of information. - again, why you might ask?

      Every enquiry that we receive from the web is for the most part to perform services on a site with a budget of £300 or $450-500 in US, that doesn't goe very far.

      Its simply not the type of client we are looking for, we're looking for clients with budgets in the £10's or £100's of thousands.

      Low budget clients are high maintenence. I think of the 80/20 rule a lot.

      20% of effort produces 80% of the profit, we choose the clients that have the most to gain, the bigger clients who allready have tons of traffic. Then charge them appropriately.

      Even just 10% extra from a starting figure of 500,000 visits is an awful lot of extra visits.

      Those kind of clients are not sourced via the web, or even in the same way.

      However, when you can demonstrate this on an aged site in 14 days?


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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        I used to have a thread on this forum where I offered guaranteed rankings for a fixed price, with a line of txt to contact me for a quote.

        Got about 6-8 requests, I quoted them for amounts between $600 and $1500, pretty decent as it definitely were not some local keywords, didn't hear back from anyone.

        Never bumped the thread again as it was just a waste of time to figure out a price.

        I don't even think it's a matter of wanting to be at the front row for a nickel, but more that the people just don't have any clue of what resources are needed to accomplish it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by limestone614 View Post


        Low budget clients are high maintenence. I think of the 80/20 rule a lot.
        aint that the Gospel truth. I have NEVER had a client pay me over a thousand dollars a month that was a pain in the neck but I have had sub $500 clients who think they should rank in 3 weeks. The lower you go is the more work they want done because to them their dollar is worth more than everyone elses.

        Most of the companies ranking for SEO also TEACH it - Thats how they got their links - by becoming authorities in it. SEO moz, SEObook (even Wikipedia). IF you think that they are going to make you an authority in a niche that matters for sub $500 (which is what most people here think is oh so expensive) you are dreaming. In fact what it takes to rank for SEO isn't even something that can be duplicated for other niches anyway -Certainly not for less than tens of thousands.

        Which is why I said that most comments are pretty funny - many people in this thread saying they would want to see rankings for something like SEO (or even another really competitive niche) before they would pay a SEO company are just flat out lying. I could point out two or three of them that have pretty much indicated they couldn't or wouldn't pay anybody to do SEO regardless so it doesn't matter if any SEO showed them where they rank - they still wouldn't be a legitmate customer. :rolleyes: lol

        But on another related note this is why people keep saying SEO is dead on this board - because the SEO that still does very much work is not something that can be had for little or no money and is therefore either out of their league or out of their mentality. Google IS doing an excellent job of raising the cost of entry and its a good thing for those serious about their business. Any business that can be got into for the cost of two xbox games is going to be over run with kids or kidlike adults. The more valuable business ventures are the ones that take a whole lot of work to get into or a decent amount of dollars.

        Its this welcome to the real world that has so many Imers crying but hey - They had to grow up or get out sometime
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        • Profile picture of the author gotlinks
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          aint that the Gospel truth. I have NEVER had a client pay me over a thousand dollars a month that was a pain in the neck but I have had sub $500 clients who think they should rank in 3 weeks. The lower you go is the more work they want done because to them their dollar is worth more than everyone elses.

          Most of the companies ranking for SEO also TEACH it - Thats how they got their links - by becoming authorities in it. SEO moz, SEObook (even Wikipedia). IF you think that they are going to make you an authority in a niche that matters for sub $500 (which is what most people here think is oh so expensive) you are dreaming.

          Which is why I said that most comments are pretty funny - many people in this thread saying they would want to see rankings for something like SEO before they would pay a SEO company are just flat out lying. I could point out two or three of them that have pretty much indicated they couldn't or wouldn't pay anybody to do SEO regardless so it doesn't matter if any SEO showed them where they rank - they still wouldn't be a legitmate customer. :rolleyes: lol

          But on another related note this is why people keep saying SEO is dead on this board - because the SEO that still does very much work is not something that can be had for little or no money and is therefore either out of their league or out of their mentality. Google IS doing an excellent job of raising the cost of entry and its a good thing for those serious about their business. Any business that can be got into for the cost of two xbox games is going to be over run with kids or kidlike adults. The more valuable business ventures are the ones that take a whole lot of work to get into or a decent amount of dollars
          Haha, its so true.

          I have experienced this myself where people ask to see my seo site ranking. I then explain the reasoning to them but they quickly move on because im not an expert? WTH?

          Yet if they took 2 seconds to see I have over 100 websites all ranking for 100 diff terms (I specialize in one niche so this is easier for me im in the automotive industry) but still. People can be so stupid sometimes.
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  • Profile picture of the author HKSEO Jonbones
    I don't see you on the first page for SEO Company Los Angeles. It's mid page 2.

    Have your search results been 'personalized' by google, perhaps?
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    • Profile picture of the author Morphius
      Originally Posted by HKSEO Jonbones View Post

      I don't see you on the first page for SEO Company Los Angeles. It's mid page 2.

      Have your search results been 'personalized' by google, perhaps?
      We only target people in the Los Angeles area, and it is ranked here. Not sure where you from, but I guess you are not in our targeted area.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        I always laugh at threads like this (okay not really laugh but smile). A bunch of you always say you would never hire a SEO company that is not ranked for SEO when we all know perfectly well that you cannot afford ANY top SEOs that rank for that term and can barely pay anyone anything to speak of anyway.

        Besides most of you haven't even bothered to look - Out of the top five companies that rank for SEO only ONE at number five even offers SEO. Truth is most companies that do SEO don't even try to rank their sites for that term. the sheer resources it takes could do much better closing paying customers' sites by ranking them in their own niche.
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        • Profile picture of the author Morphius
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          I always laugh at threads like this (okay not really laugh but smile). A bunch of you always say you would never hire a SEO company that is not ranked for SEO when we all know perfectly well that you cannot afford ANY top SEOs that rank for that term and can barely pay anyone anything to speak of anyway.

          Besides most of you haven't even bothered to look - Out of the top five companies that rank for SEO only ONE at number five even offers SEO. Truth is most companies that do SEO don't even try to rank their sites for that term. the sheer resources it takes could do much better closing paying customers' sites by ranking them in their own niche.
          Very true. It cost a lot of money to actually be ranked and stay there. Most guys/companies don't spend that money on their own SEO. Black Hat SEO/ Software is well gone and doesn't work for long time anyway. However, if you sell SEO, you still have to prove you can do it. If you sell the dream that SEO works, you'll have to prove that you believe in it and you worked on your own SEO. Otherwise, they'll ask question.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by Morphius View Post

            VIf you sell the dream that SEO works, you'll have to prove that you believe in it and you worked on your own SEO. Otherwise, they'll ask question.

            Nope. IF you can demonstrate the ability to rank other peoples sites both by your knowledge and some proofs then you are fine. Plus frankly on WF you would have to be a fool to show where you rank. You will end exposing your site or your customers sites for some joker that doesn't have two nickels to hire you anyway. I have had a quote form on my WF only website for two months and have gotten around 40 requests. The vast majority are not serious or want to rank for a killer term for under $200 a month. Lots of exceptions but the majority still were not serious
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  • Profile picture of the author jovykhan
    Probably. But from someone who guaranteed results...I doubt.

    Originally Posted by Morphius View Post

    Try

    SEO Company Los Angeles
    SEO Services Los Angeles
    If you from the LA area, we have 7 more keywords on the first page. But the above should work from your end too.
    I see #4 and #7 for these phrases. You maybe lucky for now.

    But the keyword stuffing thing hurts my eyes. You may try to merge those words to come up with a shorten version just make sure targeted keywords are still visible.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by jovykhan View Post

      Probably. But from someone who guaranteed results...I doubt.

      Missed this before and since it was posted after my post I guess it was supposed to be directed at me.

      Yep . I guarantee results. Imagine that - if I don't rank a client I give him the value of what he spent back Instead of leaving my customer high and dry with nothing to show for it.

      Bad Mike. Really bad Mike. Naughty Lol
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Nguyen
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Bad Mike. Really bad Mike. Naughty Lol
        Name your price
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by Michael Nguyen View Post

          Name your price
          Keywords are the beginning of any healthy SEO friendship
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          • Profile picture of the author Michael Nguyen
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            Keywords are the beginning of any healthy SEO friendship
            Trying to give you £££ but you're still being stingy, cor blimey :p
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by Michael Nguyen View Post

              Trying to give you £££ but you're still being stingy, cor blimey :p

              Great now we at least have a keyword phrase to work with. I can guarantee a ranking for the term

              "Trying to give you £££ but you're still being stingy, cor blimey"

              Just send me $12

              and I will make sure its number one - Guaranteeed!

              P.S. though that is an extreme joke example I see no reason why a SEo that does his research cannot at least in most niches find terms that bring real lucrative traffic and with the right resources cannot guarantee a result on at least one term he chooses.
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              • Profile picture of the author yukon
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                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                P.S. though that is an extreme joke example I see no reason why a SEo that does his research cannot at least in most niches find terms that bring real lucrative traffic and with the right resources cannot guarantee a result on at least one term he chooses.
                Lol, is that the 5 keyword rule (errr... guarantee) I've seen in a WSO?


                [j/k]
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                • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                  Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                  Lol, is that the 5 keyword rule (errr... guarantee) I've seen in a WSO?


                  [j/k]
                  Hah yeah I thought about that service but no not like that. I actually do more of the first - you name the keywords and I qive a quote (or turn it down). If the stars don't align then I give back value (in my case in the form of a network)

                  However It can also work based on traffic numbers - not like that WSO you have in mind . SEO does his research say lines up 5,000- 10,000 searches per month kind of traffic and goes after it. Not just pick the lowest long tail he can find and say aha I got ya.

                  oh and I don't subscribe to first page being ranking. you are not ranking until you are at least top five
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Doesn't matter.

    The only people you have to convince is the buyer & most don't understand what they're looking at. I'm not trying to be offensive just stating a fact. Most small business owners don't have time to learn SEO when they have a business to run, all they care about is If you can generate targeted traffic so they can make a sale. With that being said, I would still want to see something ranked by the person doing the SEO, with same or stronger competition as my own keywords.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    You spammed your way into a local SERP. Wow. I'm so impressed.

    You have links all over unrelated pages with hundreds, even thousands of outgoing links.

    Seriously, if that is the kind of work you do, ranked or not, no, I would not hire your company to touch a single one of my clients. Not only do I care about their rankings, but I also care about their online reputation too.
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    • Profile picture of the author kimseo
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      You spammed your way into a local SERP. Wow. I'm so impressed.

      You have links all over unrelated pages with hundreds, even thousands of outgoing links.

      Seriously, if that is the kind of work you do, ranked or not, no, I would not hire your company to touch a single one of my clients. Not only do I care about their rankings, but I also care about their online reputation too.
      Well said Mike!
      Most people limit SEO just a process to achieve high SERP which is so wrong. The ultimate goal of any seo campaign should be to achieve better ROI and to enhance web reputation
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  • Profile picture of the author Ben Acharyaa
    Oh my word!! thats one hell of an spammy SEO. you had to stuff your title tag like that to get any good result? really?? oh and backlinks!!

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    if these are the source of your backlinks for your business website then i wonder what kind of links do you build for your clients! I wouldn't point them even to my tier 1 backlinks.
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    I buy all my SEO services from the Indian companies that spam my email .
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Nguyen
    I don't have my own proper SEO website but I'm very good at what I do.

    I've hit #1 for search terms with a CPC of £25
    and first page rankings for another term with CPC ~£13
    which all have generated leads.

    My SEO is sold face to face, no way is anyone going to pay £1,000's without having a meeting. People buy from people.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Michael Nguyen View Post


      My SEO is sold face to face, no way is anyone going to pay £1,000's without having a meeting. People buy from people.
      Yo Mike!

      Well that goes for mortal normal human beings I guess

      I am based in Florida and get UK clients that pay that. I don't get on a plane or a boat and neither do they.
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Nguyen
        Help a brother out! How do you do it, whats your approach?

        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Yo Mike!

        Well that goes for mortal normal human beings I guess

        I am based in Florida and get UK clients that pay that. I don't get on a plane or a boat and neither do they.
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  • Profile picture of the author dalegolden
    Most of the people who offer SEO services, they really does not get enough time to do SEO for themselves. It is really true. They have got the clients, and they are earning money with it instantly.
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    • Profile picture of the author connorbringas
      I'd have to agree with other posters. Especially the OPs SEO job on his website is horrid to say the least. Try some on page and you may rank better.

      Source: SEO Specialist for numerous large companies.
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  • Profile picture of the author Make Money Ninja
    Originally Posted by Morphius View Post

    A company that is not ranked? How can you trust someone to do your own SEO if they cannot rank themselves? Isn't SEO 101
    Depends....

    My "make money online" site is not ranked because it's new. But if i was to sell seo services i could point out dozens of sites i have #1 rankings with. So i feel like i could get credibility that way.

    I would not trust a company that cannot provide clients sites ranking and have no rankings themselves.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Where is that Mike from london guy?

    He owes me some money! 12 green backs (or he can give me in pounds - I like the exchange rate)

    https://www.google.com/search?q=Tryi...hrome&ie=UTF-8

    And don't give me no lip about it would have ranked anyway. Thats MY post ranking not his original post. Ask yourself why that is? Because Matt Cutt's Prefers me - as Yoda would say the "The SEO is strong with that one" LOL

    but umm Sad thing is I've seen WSOs where the seller claims ranking for some long tail just a bit better than that makes them a SEO ninja and they were not joking
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