How long could Panda & Penguin penalties last?

11 years ago

Penalty are not as such. Google penalization is something like playing snake and ladder game. If you commited something wrong, you are bound to penalize as just in case where when snake bites, you get to lower numbers. In such scenario webmaster need to work hard to gain the ranking which was there.

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nathansaputra

11 years ago

Originally Posted by shipwrecked

Hi,

How long do Panda and/or Penguin penalties last?

Without reconsideration request, just by rebuilding your sites, flushing bad backlinks, reducing SEO juice... etc. how long time could it take until they are lifted?

I know how it can be done, I'm just curious if anyone recovered - how long time did it take? :confused:

no worries , there are no penalties , my opinion your backlink is not strong enough to face google dance , after disavow tools update last 1st november , give your URL more authority backlinks , builds backlinks on 13th to 18th every month and submit all the backlinks URL to linklicious , so at 27-30th google will index and give you score and affected to your SERP , google will closed their scoring SERP on 5th every month ( believe it or not , thats my experienced )

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shipwrecked

11 years ago

Originally Posted by nathansaputra

no worries , there are no penalties , my opinion your backlink is not strong enough to face google dance , after disavow tools update last 1st november , give your URL more authority backlinks , builds backlinks on 13th to 18th every month and submit all the backlinks URL to linklicious , so at 27-30th google will index and give you score and affected to your SERP , google will closed their scoring SERP on 5th every month ( believe it or not , thats my experienced )

OK, so it's basically possible to recover within a month? Is that what you're saying?

Matt Cutts said in a video that after a while all penalties are going to expire.

I'd like to learn more about that "linklicious" service... tell me more.

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nathansaputra

11 years ago

Originally Posted by shipwrecked

OK, so it's basically possible to recover within a month? Is that what you're saying?

Matt Cutts said in a video that after a while all penalties are going to expire.

I'd like to learn more about that "linklicious" service... tell me more.

yes bro , 1 month is an ideal moment to recover or 2 dance time ( google have 2 dance in 1 month )

about matt cutts say ... ( sorry i dont trust matt ) because base on my experience optimizing my clients website i use my own seo blueprint called seo inverse , since caffein update until now , i never change my blueprint , so im not confuse when google update the algorythim

about linklicious = only a tool to help us index the backlinks but the seo score is full authority of google

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nik0

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by shipwrecked

OK, so it's basically possible to recover within a month? Is that what you're saying?

Matt Cutts said in a video that after a while all penalties are going to expire.

I'd like to learn more about that "linklicious" service... tell me more.

yah but the most important part is that you have to build links between the 13th and 18th

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jclindayag

11 years ago

It depends on how much time did you spot the problem. That's the problem with the Panda and Penguin algorithmic changes. They do not specifically tell what you have done wrong. Some could only last for a couple of days or week after you have submitted your reconsideration request.

When it comes to Penguin, you have to check your link diversity. In terms of panda, you have to manually take a look at all on-page optimisation elements.

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shipwrecked

11 years ago

Anyway, I consider Penguin more dangerous... because it affects the linking system.

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Boricua

11 years ago

Originally Posted by shipwrecked

Hi,

How long do Panda and/or Penguin penalties last?

Without reconsideration request, just by rebuilding your sites, flushing bad backlinks, reducing SEO juice... etc. how long time could it take until they are lifted?

I know how it can be done, I'm just curious if anyone recovered - how long time did it take? :confused:

Panda = walk in the park. Penguin = obnoxious MF that in some sites took me up to 5 months as some of my clients were using other SEO services and with another site that had Xrummer smell all over it it surprisingly took only 2 weeks after some on-page SEO was adressed and link build up was done.

In regards to Matt Cutts, he's very useful, but he works for Google, therefore, you can't rely fully on him if you're into SEO full time. The obvious is already printed and seen with results by studying top 10 rankings. I'll take Matt Cutts advice with a grain of salt placed since most of us do our own SEO, his not very specific in quite enough on linking topics (meaning, you'll always need to find out by yourself to be sure or hire!) and even logical as he has Google best interest. My golden cents of course

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paulgl 11 years ago

How and why would any "penalties" ever expire?

People just mix up penalties with real world happenings
because it makes them feel better, or they swallow some
kool aid from someone else.

The only penalty is a de-index. Period. The other ones are
NOT penalties, but natural progressions of where your sites
should be.

Get ready to take notes, because I seldom spell it out like the
following. Feel free to quote and publish.

Your website is like a runner in a marathon race. You have choices.

You can train, train hard, and compete. No guarantee of a first
place finish. None. But the more you train and are prepared, the
better chance you have. Unfortunately, there are runners who
are better than you. Period. That's life. Keep striving to get
on top.

You can choose not to train. Just enter the race, see what happens.
Sure, you may sprint for awhile, pass people. But as the race
goes on, you tucker out. You slow down. Your only hope is to
maybe just finish, back of the pack. May be get lucky and
other runners are in worse shape. You don't finish last, but
you sure do struggle, going fast, slowing down, walking, maybe
getting a second wind.

Now, who penalized you and caused you to finish way down?

You can choose to do stupid things. Like smoke, do drugs, eat
lots of ice cream. Get drunk the night before. Sleep in and start
the race late. Grab the wrong shoes. Forget or ignore the water
cups along the way. Stop and rest. You just can't finish the race,
or finish way back.

Now, who penalized you and caused you to finish way down?

You can choose to break the rules. You filled the form out wrong.
You did not get the entrance fee there on time. Your check
bounced. You failed a drug test. You cheated, took a short cut.
Maybe even rode a bus part of the way. You get disqualified. You
are completely banned from the race.

Now, who caused you to get banned? Did the officials just have
it for your? Did they single you out? Did others slip by unnoticed
so you should get a pass too?

Paul
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kimseo

11 years ago

Originally Posted by shipwrecked

Hi,

How long do Panda and/or Penguin penalties last?

Without reconsideration request, just by rebuilding your sites, flushing bad backlinks, reducing SEO juice... etc. how long time could it take until they are lifted?

I know how it can be done, I'm just curious if anyone recovered - how long time did it take? :confused:

It depend upon your effort, It you are cleaning up your site aggressively, Your site should be back in 2 or 3 crawls (after all the cleaning up).

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STLSEO

11 years ago

I recently disavowed some links for one of my clients, and after 3 weeks from submitting the links to Google, I'm already seeing ranking improvements.

It all depends on where the problem began in the first place. If it's an over optimized inbound link profile (too much use of a particular anchor text), then it could take as long as six months to a year before you see any changes. This is because you'll need to balance your link profile by using branded/universal anchor text such as "company name" or "Click here" or "Visit our site".

Again, it all depends on where the problem started in the first place.

Good luck!

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danihelgroup

11 years ago

Its funny because Google makes all these "punishments" yet I could go give any web site a ton of low quality backlinks aka. Negative SEO. Google is flawed. Its not always the web master that is building links.

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TommoBedhair

11 years ago

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cooler1

11 years ago

Originally Posted by TommoBedhair

Unfortunately if you have been hit by Panda or Penguin, the penalty will remain present until you rectify the reason you were penalised.

So take a good look at your backlinks, content and overall usability to determine where the cause may lie.

Some people are saying that a Penguinzed domain is permenantly tainted so any rectifying will be fruitless. Do you agree with that? It sounds a bit vauge though as to what "tainted" means in this instance.

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nik0

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by cooler1

Some people are saying that a Penguinzed domain is permenantly tainted so any rectifying will be fruitless. Do you agree with that? It sounds a bit vauge though as to what "tainted" means in this instance.

While continuing on the same topic forever you could've launched a dozen new sites.

Some people never learn it, you also gonna cry years in case your girlfriend leaves you? Really get over it and dump that site.

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cooler1

11 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

While continuing on the same topic forever you could've launched a dozen new sites.

Some people never learn it, you also gonna cry years in case your girlfriend leaves you? Really get over it and dump that site.

I've dumped most of my sites which were affected by the Penguin update april 2012, but kept about 4 sites because they were still earning enough to cover the domain fees. As i've only just renewed the domains, it makes sense to learn whats the best way to go about getting them recovered.

A guy in the other thread said he recovered from Penguin by varying anchors on links so dumping a site seems too drastic. Maybe if there are thousands of low quality links to the site then it would be the best action.

Originally Posted by bhartzer

Based on what I've seen in the past, penalties expire after 90 days. Then, Google re-evaluates and if you're still doing what got you penalized then the penalty is put in place again or "renewed" for another 90 days.

I guess you mean different type of penalties, not Penguin or Panda?

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nik0

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by cooler1

A guy in the other thread said he recovered from Penguin by varying anchors on links so dumping a site seems too drastic. Maybe if there are thousands of low quality links to the site then it would be the best action.

If there are 1000's of low quality links then you need even more thousands of high quality links to revive it or in other words impossible and way to costly.

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nik0

Banned 11 years ago

I have a site that never recovered, used to make $200/month but admittely I also never did anything to try to recover it. Back then the niche was easy but it has gotten quite competitive in the meanwhile, there are better things to focus on.

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bhartzer

11 years ago

Based on what I've seen in the past, penalties expire after 90 days. Then, Google re-evaluates and if you're still doing what got you penalized then the penalty is put in place again or "renewed" for another 90 days.

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radivoj

11 years ago

Forget how long will last if your site get penalized and drop the ranking get another domain and try to rank for the same term...

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11 years ago

I forgot where I read it (may have been on Google Webmasters) but I think it can last anywhere from 3 weeks to 3 months. So its kind of a broad range of time. Why you where penalized may play a role in it also.

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supereek

11 years ago

One my sites was penalized for over a year

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nik0 Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by supereek

One my sites was penalized for over a year

Same here, nothing bit sig spammers in this thread that have zero clue, and cause I said that I will disable my sig in this post.
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Cash37

11 years ago

Up to six months

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