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ProSence

11 years ago

Also check if the domain is recently expired and it was renewed after that...

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terryd

11 years ago

Yeah he completely left out determining if it had been dropped recently also which will be a major factor, some of the other stuff make no sense either..

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MikeFriedman

11 years ago

Originally Posted by terryd

Yeah he completely left out determining if it had been dropped recently also which will be a major factor, some of the other stuff make no sense either..

Even worse. He left out checking the backlinks, which are 100% the determining factor if the domain has PR or not.

Completely useless post, to be honest.

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paulgl

11 years ago

Every single PR checker is duped because the redirect
is done in such a way that only the googlebot takes the
bait.

It's very easy to check fake PR: it does not pass the smell
test. That's very easy.

There is also no google cache or any other content except
the index page.

You are wrong on several counts, but the biggest is that you
mistake PR0 for for PR n/a. Not the same.

Domains do not have PR, web pages do.

Several misconceptions in the post. How can PR be "valid" and
faked at the same time? It can't. That's why PR checkers can
always be duped.

Google could solve this very easily by doing their own PR checker
outside of the toolbar. But they won't. It would reveal too many
secrets.

Best way to avoid this is to buy a COMPLETE and fully developed website,
indexed, and not worry about PR.

PR checkers do not check whether the PR is valid. They can't. They
try and be coy by putting "valid" nonsense on theirs. But it's just
silly. They are nothing more than mirage spotters, "Looks like
a lake, so must be a lake."

Maybe someone has already done it, but a program written to check
the google cache, backlinks, and indexed content, tossing that into
an algorithm, would certainly come up with a Magic 8 Ball answer
of, "looks too good to be true" warning.

Paul

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Cosmit

11 years ago

Originally Posted by paulgl

Every single PR checker is duped because the redirect
is done in such a way that only the googlebot takes the
bait.

It's very easy to check fake PR: it does not pass the smell
test. That's very easy.

There is also no google cache or any other content except
the index page.

You are wrong on several counts, but the biggest is that you
mistake PR0 for for PR n/a. Not the same.

Domains do not have PR, web pages do.

Several misconceptions in the post. How can PR be "valid" and
faked at the same time? It can't. That's why PR checkers can
always be duped.

Google could solve this very easily by doing their own PR checker
outside of the toolbar. But they won't. It would reveal too many
secrets.

Best way to avoid this is to buy a COMPLETE and fully developed website,
indexed, and not worry about PR.

PR checkers do not check whether the PR is valid. They can't. They
try and be coy by putting "valid" nonsense on theirs. But it's just
silly. They are nothing more than mirage spotters, "Looks like
a lake, so must be a lake."

Maybe someone has already done it, but a program written to check
the google cache, backlinks, and indexed content, tossing that into
an algorithm, would certainly come up with a Magic 8 Ball answer
of, "looks too good to be true" warning.

Paul

google treats the "domain" as a regular webpage.

you could have a page example.com/something.html be PR9, but if it doesn't pass any links to the homepage, example.com "domain" could be PR1 or PR0.

But yes, domains dont have PR. everything on the web is in "pages" just like everything in linux is a file

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intergen

11 years ago

Maybe someone has already done it, but a program written to check
the google cache, backlinks, and indexed content, tossing that into
an algorithm, would certainly come up with a Magic 8 Ball answer
of, "looks too good to be true" warning.
Paul

Doesn't PR Powershot do this? I have used it in the past and it seems to work great and gives info on backlinks etc.

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MikeFriedman

11 years ago

Originally Posted by intergen

Maybe someone has already done it, but a program written to check
the google cache, backlinks, and indexed content, tossing that into
an algorithm, would certainly come up with a Magic 8 Ball answer
of, "looks too good to be true" warning.
Paul

Doesn't PR Powershot do this? I have used it in the past and it seems to work great and gives info on backlinks etc.

No. PR Powershot really does nothing useful.

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biznics

11 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

Even worse. He left out checking the backlinks, which are 100% the determining factor if the domain has PR or not.

Completely useless post, to be honest.

My thoughts exactly. When I clicked on this thread I was hoping to see "only" the 'to check backlinks of the domain' thing, but he totally missed it...(I wonder why?)

There's only one simple way to check if domain has a fake PR. Logon to backlinkwatch.com or any other backlink checking site, enter the domain and see if it has any backlinks or not. If the domain has no backlinks but has a GooglePR, then it's a fake one...

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MikeFriedman

11 years ago

Originally Posted by biznics

There's only one simple way to check if domain has a fake PR. Logon to backlinkwatch.com or any other backlink checking site, enter the domain and see if it has any backlinks or not. If the domain has no backlinks but has a GooglePR, then it's a fake one...

That's a pretty awful idea too.

Two reasons. First, backlinkwatch.com sucks. You will probably miss out on good opportunities if that is all you use.

Second, just because a link shows up in backlinkwatch.com or any other link checker, doesn't mean the link still exists today. The database of most backlink checkers is usually months behind.

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biznics

11 years ago

I wouldn't say 'awful' as it helps in many scenarios. Also, I have clearly mentioned to use 'any other backlink checking site' (I know backlinkwatch sucks...but still comes in handy some times)

And as far as outdated link databases are concerned, when we buy domains, we usually check the number of backlinks (include few many other aspects). So you may be half right that simply judging by few backlinks, we can not be sure that the domain holds original PR, but still, the idea here is to get the idea. If a domain has couple (of hundreds) backlinks, then usually chances are that it has original PR, but having a few backlinks will clearly mean something opposite.

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

That's a pretty awful idea too.

Two reasons. First, backlinkwatch.com sucks. You will probably miss out on good opportunities if that is all you use.

Second, just because a link shows up in backlinkwatch.com or any other link checker, doesn't mean the link still exists today. The database of most backlink checkers is usually months behind.

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MikeFriedman

11 years ago

Originally Posted by biznics

I wouldn't say 'awful' as it helps in many scenarios.

No, when I said awful, I meant awful.

Originally Posted by biznics

Also, I have clearly mentioned to use 'any other backlink checking site' (I know backlinkwatch sucks...but still comes in handy some times)

Backlinkwatch never comes in handy. I do not know why anyone uses it. Compare it to the other backlink checkers out there and you will see its data is absolutely awful.

Originally Posted by biznics

And as far as outdated link databases are concerned, when we buy domains, we usually check the number of backlinks (include few many other aspects). So you may be half right that simply judging by few backlinks, we can not be sure that the domain holds original PR, but still, the idea here is to get the idea. If a domain has couple (of hundreds) backlinks, then usually chances are that it has original PR, but having a few backlinks will clearly mean something opposite.

And now you are even more wrong. First, of all, you can judge a domain by just a few links. It doesn't take thousands of links to have a high PR. Just a few good ones that will stick are more than enough.

On top of that, I shop domains pretty much every single day. I can find domains pretty much every single day that claim to be PR 4's and 5's. They have thousands of links according to the popular backlink checkers. However, when I investigate a little further, I find that none of the links that contained PR still exist.

If people follow your strategy of just using something shitty like Backlinkwatch, they are going to waste a lot of money buying domains.

Whatever though. It's not my money.

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biznics

11 years ago

Not to go off-topic here, but I really don't know which part of my responses you are missing as I have tried to clear both times, that you are free to use whichever backlink checking tool you know.

But apart from that, would you be generous enough to tell a few "non-aweful" backlink checker tools you'd prefer (or is it a secret!!!)? I mean, you are just telling that we can use other effective tools, but you never bothered to help anyone out here by naming few...

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Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

No, when I said awful, I meant awful.

Backlinkwatch never comes in handy. I do not know why anyone uses it. Compare it to the other backlink checkers out there and you will see its data is absolutely awful.

And now you are even more wrong. First, of all, you can judge a domain by just a few links. It doesn't take thousands of links to have a high PR. Just a few good ones that will stick are more than enough.

On top of that, I shop domains pretty much every single day. I can find domains pretty much every single day that claim to be PR 4's and 5's. They have thousands of links according to the popular backlink checkers. However, when I investigate a little further, I find that none of the links that contained PR still exist.

If people follow your strategy of just using something shitty like Backlinkwatch, they are going to waste a lot of money buying domains.

Whatever though. It's not my money.

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Mike Anthony

11 years ago

Originally Posted by terryd

Yeah he completely left out determining if it had been dropped recently also which will be a major factor, some of the other stuff make no sense either..

Been buying dropped domains and they do just fine if the links stay in place. I have one that has been 7 months that I bought immediately after being dropped and it still holds PR. Many others in my test lost one Pr or so but thats natural. If a site goes through the whole deletion period its gives 404s for weeks or months and webmasters drop some of the links. In every instance the drop has been related to losing links not being dropped.

Mind you I taught the same thing about drops but in my next training update that is going out the window. Not saying you should go after domains that have been dropped alot but being dropped is not that big a factor as has been taught.

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terryd

11 years ago

Actually I think I learnt about the dropped domains off your training...

...nah it was someone else but I thought it was true also. Early on I purchased a couple of domains that had dropped and they have since lost their PR, I didn't keep track of the links so I can't say whether or not it was the loss of links or the fact it had dropped but it looks like you have answered that question.

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Been buying dropped domains and they do just fine if the links stay in place. I have one that has been 7 months that I bought immediately after being dropped and it still holds PR. Many others in my test lost one Pr or so but thats natural. If a site goes through the whole deletion period its gives 404s for weeks or months and webmasters drop some of the links. In every instance the drop has been related to losing links not being dropped.

Mind you I taught the same thing about drops but in my next training update that is going out the window. Not saying you should go after domains that have been dropped alot but being dropped is not that big a factor as has been taught.

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Mike Anthony

11 years ago

All I know is I know this stuff and teach it but he so completely confused me with that post I have to now enroll in my own class

Originally Posted by paulgl

but a program written to check
the google cache, backlinks, and indexed content, tossing that into
an algorithm, would certainly come up with a Magic 8 Ball answer
of, "looks too good to be true" warning.

Paul

They already have. Its called Google and SEOspyglass.

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

Like it takes an education to prove why PR exist (backlinks).

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Cosmit 11 years ago

wow great post! next time i try to buy a fake PR4 domain, i'll be sure to think twice!
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Mike Anthony 11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Like it takes an education to prove why PR exist (backlinks).

Well just a wee bit more education than it takes to do adsense.

But yeah everything can't be easy it does take some education. Just seeing backlinks is far from the final step. Its just the beginning actually.

But the good news is that if you Buy a good aged domain you can rent links on it and make more money than adsense would ever pay you straight out the gate.
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dalegolden 11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Like it takes an education to prove why PR exist (backlinks).

It is not about PR 4 only. The PR can be even 10. I have seen a fashion page with PR 10 but I checked it through prchecker.info, it shows PR N/A. .
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- GeorgR. 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by dalegolden
  
  It is not about PR 4 only. The PR can be even 10. I have seen a fashion page with PR 10 but I checked it through prchecker.info, it shows PR N/A. .
  
  That's not the worst. The worst is if people buy those domains, PR8 or PR9 even, some ridiculous default WP theme on a rather new site and really believe it might be a valid PR8 domain....
  
  I found myself often explaining to some people there is no way that "some site" bought off a forum with PR7 or 8 can be "legit". It's just an entirely absurd notion.
  
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kibria4mbd

11 years ago

Nice technique. I will surely follow this from next time. Something awesome. How you get this tips. Thanks for share.

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Martinsee 11 years ago

Originally Posted by kibria4mbd

Nice technique. I will surely follow this from next time. Something awesome. How you get this tips. Thanks for share.

I was a victim.
so i must find out how and this is my experience.
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bradudan

11 years ago

Or simple one check the page rank with your Scrapebox special plugin for that..

It is much safer that way

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ProSence

11 years ago

The best way to check is info:yourdomain.com

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UMS 11 years ago

Originally Posted by ProSence

The best way to check is info:yourdomain.com

You obviously didn't read all the way through this thread.
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doti04

11 years ago

Can Seoquake plugin show real-time website PR? Can I trust to this plugin when I'm checking websites PR?

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DomainUno

11 years ago

I have same experience buying fake PR 6 domain, first I check the domain was valid PR 6. I check by checkpagerank.net and cekpr.com is valid PR 6, registered back in 1998 and have 1k backlinks. Even info:mydomainname.com in google shows domain name it self.

So, with no doubt I buy it, after transfer into my registrar the PR still PR 6. Two days after it become PR 0, I was angry.

I was think to build website in this domain name, but the problem shows up. After install wordpress and in few hours it become PR 6 again, but this time the tools says it is fake Page Rank. Yes it is redirect to a valid PR 6 website.
My question is, how to remove the redirect to valid PR 6 site? So, when I type info:mydomainname.com it show it self.

Any help would be very appreciated, thank you.

Faris

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MarkWW

11 years ago

I would not count on this method entirely. I understand that checking for redirection is essential but then you have to do your own homework of analyzing a domain's backlinks. I have seen PR6 domains with 0 backlinks. Just extract all the backlinks and run them through a PR checker, this will give you an idea whether the domain name its PR is genuine or not.

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ATPMarketing

11 years ago

pr check please - okay I am really annoyed can someone please check this for me
as i have been reading through all these posts and am blown away how now I am annoyed as when you go to buy a site or a domain you dont really know the true value of it how annoying. Okay im putting this out there as if this is not real im going back to godaddy and getting a refund hotelaltamirainn.com. I have checked on the archive page checked with the info:domainname and a few pr checker which now i find are useless. Somebody please validate this for me thanks

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MikeFriedman

11 years ago

Originally Posted by ATPMarketing

pr check please - okay I am really annoyed can someone please check this for me
as i have been reading through all these posts and am blown away how now I am annoyed as when you go to buy a site or a domain you dont really know the true value of it how annoying. Okay im putting this out there as if this is not real im going back to godaddy and getting a refund hotelaltamirainn.com. I have checked on the archive page checked with the info:domainname and a few pr checker which now i find are useless. Somebody please validate this for me thanks

First of all, that site is showing as a PR 9.

So what do you think? Of course the PR is fake. CNN, Facebook, and Yahoo are PR 9's. Do you think this domain has anywhere near the exposure or value of any of those sites?

And GoDaddy does not owe you a refund for it, nor should they give you one. They did not tell you it was a PR 9. They did not advertise that.

Forget about how to check if PR is real or not... Just a little common sense would go a long way.