Niche Site ranked on first page of google with no backlinks

11 years ago

My site is now ranked on first page of google for my main keyword. What does that mean?

Not much. Wait to see if it's still there in a month. New sites often get good position early and then get re-positioned. It's referred to as "the Google dance."

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cashp0wer

11 years ago

I remember when I was new at this and my first site was sitting there on the first page and I thought I had it made. I soon learned that it wouldn't stay there for long and it took much more work to make it stay.

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karuzo

11 years ago

Originally Posted by cashp0wer

I remember when I was new at this and my first site was sitting there on the first page and I thought I had it made. I soon learned that it wouldn't stay there for long and it took much more work to make it stay.

That is why I'm asking - I am quite sure I'll need to build backlinks.

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karuzo

11 years ago

Originally Posted by RogueOne

Not much. Wait to see if it's still there in a month. New sites often get good position early and then get re-positioned. It's referred to as "the Google dance."

Thanks for the response - I've heard of the google dance, but would it 'dance' even into the first page?

Doron

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gearmonkey

11 years ago

Originally Posted by RogueOne

Not much. Wait to see if it's still there in a month. New sites often get good position early and then get re-positioned. It's referred to as "the Google dance."

^ this. New sites get a push for whatever reason. In a month or less it will drop.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 11 years ago

Hi Doron,

Originally Posted by karuzo

I started spinning articles using The Best Spinner

"Spinning" is without value. It can damage your business, but it can't help you. Everyone who actually makes a living from article marketing (rather than from supplying spinning software or services) says the same things about spinning. And there are reasons for that.

For people open-minded enough to read them, these six items explain much more, at greater length and in greater detail.

this post explains the benefits of spinning
the first half (or so) of this thread contains a good discussion of what you can gain from spinning articles
the advice on this subject given by so many people throughout most of this thread has been really helpful to many people here
on the meaning and significance of "duplicate content", in this context, this little post from expert article marketer Anne Pottinger includes direct quotations from Google's WebMaster Central Blog on the subject (not easy to find a more authoritative source than that!)
this little article is also a very useful and accurate explanation of the subject
this post, and its links, explain in detail the closely related subject of how article directories really work and why they exist

Originally Posted by karuzo

am planning on using Unique Article Wizard. I assume these tools are still effective with what they do (sorry if a stupid question)?

It's far from a stupid question. It's a very important one.

Those tools are effective enough to get your site heavily penalized by Google. What they're not effective enough to do is to give you any benefits worth having (and that was the case even before the recent Google updates).

Take a look in the SEO Forum here. You'll find plenty of threads started off by people whose sites have been penalized, and many of them have been openly told by Google that using automated submission software was the reason.

Using this stuff this has no real benefits anyway: backlinks from article directories are worthless, for all the reasons explained in this and many other "article marketing" threads: How do Article Directories work? Even for a year or so before all the Panda updates of 2011 devalued article directory backlinks so much, SEO textbook writers were saying that you'd need literally tens of thousands of those "backlinks" to give you same linkjuice as that arising from one good backlink on a quality site specifically relevant to your niche.

Something to keep well away from!

This thread might also help you? A problem with Article Marketing robot

Originally Posted by karuzo

A part of my problem is that I follow a 'guideline' of several marketing 'gurus' which is from 2011

The reality is that it was grotesquely misguided and out of date even then. Even in 2010, in fact.

They must be gurus, though: they say so themselves, and you can't get more authentic than that, can you?

Originally Posted by karuzo

when I try to contact them, I get no response

There's a surprise.

At some point you need to decide whether you choose to be advised by "people making a living by selling information to beginners" or by "people making a living from article marketing". The information offered by the two groups is usually strongly conflicting, and there are reasons for that, too.

Article marketing isn't a branch of SEO. It's a traffic generation method in its own right, which transcends SEO. These "backlinks" won't help you because they're not from relevant sites. They'll just get you into trouble, as they have done for so many others.

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karuzo

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Hi Doron,

"Spinning" is without value. It can damage your business, but it can't help you. Everyone who actually makes a living from article marketing (rather than from supplying spinning software or services) says the same things about spinning. And there are reasons for that..

Alexa - ton of stuff you provide to read. Will have to read it later... I'll come back with questions if I have any. At the moment, since I already started the site I'll continue with building backlinks even if I get penalized (I'm known to not listen and learn from mistakes :rolleyes: ).
Again - will read the links you included later tonight, but if I understand correctly, I can use UAW effectively if content is produced is greatly unique...

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Alexa Smith

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by karuzo

Alexa - ton of stuff you provide to read. Will have to read it later... I'll come back with questions if I have any.

No problem, I'll be here tomorrow and so will hundreds of other Warriors with experience of this.

Originally Posted by karuzo

I'll continue with building backlinks even if I get penalized

I'm sorry to hear it. If you use UAW enough, eventually you'll get heavily penalized, in my opinion, just as so many others have been, and there are no real benefits any more, from using it, anyway.

Originally Posted by karuzo

I'm known to not listen and learn from mistakes :rolleyes:

Half of that is a good thing.

Originally Posted by karuzo

if I understand correctly, I can use UAW effectively if content is produced is greatly unique...

Incorrect. "How unique it is" has absolutely nothing to do with it at all. The SEO value of a backlink isn't determined by whether or not the content to which it's attached is "unique". According to Google, it depends on several factors, but that isn't one of them! This is dreamworld stuff. No potential customers will ever read at least 95% of the articles, and the backlinks are worthless. What you plan to do is "downside only".

For all the reasons explained in this post, no article marketer wants a potential customer finding an article directory article, anyway. That's traffic you can choose to have arriving at your own site instead, if you want to (and you should want to). Those are not the people the article directory articles are there for, and it's potentially a huge SEO mistake to submit to an article directory something you haven't originally published and had indexed on your own site. Especially if there lots of them. Explained in detail in this thread: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...marketing.html

Your call!

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Innocent Akuma

11 years ago

Hi Alex, you really no your stuff. You're ignorance-buldozer.keep it rolling!

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

No problem, I'll be here tomorrow and so will hundreds of other Warriors with experience of this.

I'm sorry to hear it. If you use UAW enough, eventually you'll get heavily penalized, in my opinion, just as so many others have been, and there are no real benefits any more, from using it, anyway.

Half of that is a good thing.

Incorrect. "How unique it is" has absolutely nothing to do with it at all. The value of a backlink isn't determined by whether or not the content to which it's attached is "unique". This is dreamworld stuff. No potential customers will ever read at least 95% of the articles, and the backlinks are worthless. What you plan to do is "downside only".

For all the reasons explained in this post, no article marketer wants a potential customer finding an article directory article, anyway. That's traffic you can choose to have arriving at your own site instead, if you want to (and you should want to). Those are not the people the article directory articles are there for, and it's potentially a huge SEO mistake to submit to an article directory something you haven't originally published and had indexed on your own site. Especially if there lots of them. Explained in detail in this thread: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...marketing.html

Your call!

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stellaex 11 years ago

Well, EMD was a big drama........ i don't think it was as much perfect as the other updates made by google. because i see EMD rankings high for EMD Keywords while i got busted. the issue is not that but the quality of my website was falling a way head of EMD criteria.
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karuzo

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

No problem, I'll be here tomorrow and so will hundreds of other Warriors with experience of this.

I'm sorry to hear it. If you use UAW enough, eventually you'll get heavily penalized, in my opinion, just as so many others have been, and there are no real benefits any more, from using it, anyway.

Half of that is a good thing.

Incorrect. "How unique it is" has absolutely nothing to do with it at all. The SEO value of a backlink isn't determined by whether or not the content to which it's attached is "unique". According to Google, it depends on several factors, but that isn't one of them! This is dreamworld stuff. No potential customers will ever read at least 95% of the articles, and the backlinks are worthless. What you plan to do is "downside only".

For all the reasons explained in this post, no article marketer wants a potential customer finding an article directory article, anyway. That's traffic you can choose to have arriving at your own site instead, if you want to (and you should want to). Those are not the people the article directory articles are there for, and it's potentially a huge SEO mistake to submit to an article directory something you haven't originally published and had indexed on your own site. Especially if there lots of them. Explained in detail in this thread: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...marketing.html

Your call!

Hi Alexa - I spent the past 3 hours reading the sources you provided. Very useful! To be honest, at this point, even though I've noticed some people say spinning still works for them as well as mass article submissions, I DO feel discouraged now to keep pursuing this at this point. I would not mind keep on doing this, but do not feel right spending money on mass article submitting product if I am not sure would be beneficial. Probably moving on to next marketing project. Any suggestions on what to start for a newbie is greatly welcomed - suggestion would help as I prefer to avoid from finding something online that will just drain me of my money. I was thinking on maybe ebay affiliate site... I've already spent countless hours into the night working on the niche site so I know I will dedicate time as necessary for a new project.

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Doron

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karuzo

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

I'm sorry to hear it. If you use UAW enough, eventually you'll get heavily penalized, in my opinion, just as so many others have been, and there are no real benefits any more, from using it, anyway.

Your call!

Hi Alexa - I just want to mention that I truly value everyone's response here especially yours. I though I should mentioned to you that I decided to ditch the niche site idea even though I started it. Instead I'm concentrating on an authority site that I started around the same time I started the niche site.
Also, without knowing much about ebay affiliate network I applied and against all odds (as I had a crappy site) I got approved! So after I get the authority site up and running I am thinking of giving the ebay affiliate site a try. Any suggestions to tackle this are welcome. I already posted on this somewhere else on the site, but thought to bring this to your attention.

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Doron

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Dennisknows

11 years ago

Also make sure you're logged out of Google.. I have a post that's #8 in Google but when I'm logged in, it's #1...

It will say something like 'you've visited this site XX amount of times"

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karuzo

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennisknows

Also make sure you're logged out of Google.. I have a post that's #8 in Google but when I'm logged in, it's #1...

It will say something like 'you've visited this site XX amount of times"

Much success

I assume you refer to 'personal search results'...? Did in fact logged out and same result still.

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DPM70

11 years ago

Funny when folks don't really take on board what they are being told when asking for advice. What is this? Some kind of denial? I think it's pure laziness and you've already, right here, right now, destined yourself to fail.

"Alexa - ton of stuff you provide to read. Will have to read it later"

You go on creating your crappy article backlinks and have your merry way.

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karuzo

11 years ago

Originally Posted by DPM70

Funny when folks don't really take on board what they are being told when asking for advice. What is this? Some kind of denial? I think it's pure laziness and you've already, right here, right now, destined yourself to fail.

"Alexa - ton of stuff you provide to read. Will have to read it later"

You go on creating your crappy article backlinks and have your merry way.

Hello DPM70 - I don't mean to NOT respect people here. After all there is a reason I asked for advice. The reason I would like to proceed with this (and am not being lazy as I spent countless hours on this) is that at least in the future I can say to myself that I tried and failed, not regretting for NOT trying this method. On other forums/blogs I noticed people who still say building backlinks this way is still effective. I DO doubt this strategy still work, but as I said, I want to do it to say I did it and it didn't work. I took upon myself a project that at least I intend on finishing it... I'm usually a listener to advice but when 50% people say it works while the other 50% say it does not work, I'll know for sure only from trying.

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Doron

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jmae SEO

11 years ago

Another thing is, you failed to mention exactly what the search term is you are ranking for. It is entirely possible that you are ranking on Page One if the keyword is an obscure long-tail keyword with about 37 monthly searches.

If you are, instead, targeting keywords with a lot of monthly searches, and you are certain these are not your personalized Google search results, it probably is an instance of your site dancing into Page One - but this does not mean you cannot keep it there! Hit the ground running, doing everything you can to properly search engine optimize your site and build quality backlinks, and you just may be able to maintain the early edge you have gained.

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karuzo

11 years ago

Originally Posted by jmae SEO

Another thing is, you failed to mention exactly what the search term is you are ranking for. It is entirely possible that you are ranking on Page One if the keyword is an obscure long-tail keyword with about 37 monthly searches.

If you are, instead, targeting keywords with a lot of monthly searches, and you are certain these are not your personalized Google search results, it probably is an instance of your site dancing into Page One - but this does not mean you cannot keep it there! Hit the ground running, doing everything you can to properly search engine optimize your site and build quality backlinks, and you just may be able to maintain the early edge you have gained.

Sure it is not personalized search result. Still in the same spot since last time I checked. The domain is exact keyword of 3 words... I consider quality back links as posting to twitter, Facebook. Not sure what are considered quality back links (newbie). I started also answering questions related to the niche on yahoo answers, like actually answer them, and not spam. Would that also be considered as a quality back link?

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Doron

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harry911

11 years ago

There is a panda/penguin refresh every month. If your anchors are un-natural, you'll drop in rankings.

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Theeban

11 years ago

Originally Posted by karuzo

Hello,

Still a newbie - started a niche site about a month ago. I was uncertain whether the strategy of exact domain match to keyword is a good thing since I've seen articles saying this is not a good thing to do any more. Anyway, done that and keep going with it as part of a learning curve I guess. I posted 3 articles so far and just started building anchor sites (again - not knowing if this strategy still effective or not) to create backlinks back to niche site.

So, you have got 3 backlinks for niche sites from blogging platform (I guess)? Isn't?
If yes, Of course, that is the reason why you are on page 1.

Originally Posted by karuzo

My site is now ranked on first page of google for my main keyword. What does that mean? Although I'm not #1 I'm on that page. Am I to create backlinks to drive it up in rankings all the way to #1 spot?
Also, I started spinning articles using The Best Spinner and am planning on using Unique Article Wizard. I assume these tools are still effective with what they do (sorry if a stupid question)?

Big "NO" for article spinning. Don't do it, It may hurt your new site. Go for hand-written rewrites which passes copy-escape. Keep all UNIQUE and post on free blog platform sites and keep everything unique. Get some Social bookmarks for them. Then, start syndicating your posted articles on other blogs. This will increase value of your posts and in turn, that will increase value of your niche site.[/quote]

Originally Posted by karuzo

A part of my problem is that I follow a 'guideline' of several marketing 'gurus' which is from 2011, and when I try to contact them, I get no response which raises suspicion this strategy might not apply now and they just hope you just keep following it and buy products they are affiliate with.

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Doron

Yes, there are lots of people on that way

can't help..

I guess, you can always post your questions here to get help from experienced guys as many experienced SEO guys used to check out this forum very often.

In between, let me know if you need more help.... Cheers Doron,

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karuzo

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Theeban

So, you have got 3 backlinks for niche sites from blogging platform (I guess)? Isn't?
If yes, Of course, that is the reason why you are on page 1.

I thought about that, but I checked in for backlinks to the site and it indicated I had 0.

Originally Posted by Theeban

Big "NO" for article spinning. Don't do it, It may hurt your new site. Go for hand-written rewrites which passes copy-escape. Keep all UNIQUE and post on free blog platform sites and keep everything unique. Get some Social bookmarks for them. Then, start syndicating your posted articles on other blogs. This will increase value of your posts and in turn, that will increase value of your niche site.

I understand. I really wanted to spin/submit to many sites, but I get the feeling this will not work these days...

Originally Posted by Theeban

Yes, there are lots of people on that way can't help..
I guess, you can always post your questions here to get help from experienced guys as many experienced SEO guys used to check out this forum very often.

In between, let me know if you need more help.... Cheers Doron,

Thanks - really appreciate that. I've listen to Mason World podcast about ebay affiliate and will look into that next. Not sure how this works yet. Any tips are welcome. I will search and start a post here regarding that...

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visimedia

11 years ago

it's an interesting study case. I think you should see if it will remain to be in page 1 for like 3 months, then you'll know you're doing an effective thing for page 1 ranking.

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karuzo

11 years ago

Originally Posted by visimedia

it's an interesting study case. I think you should see if it will remain to be in page 1 for like 3 months, then you'll know you're doing an effective thing for page 1 ranking.

Exactly it! worse will happen is that it won't. No damage is done (I think). I'll move on to next project after that.

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cnetic

11 years ago

I think to gain and keep your positioning you should keep posting and posting according your niche, updated regularly

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Sillysoft

11 years ago

Thats how my adsense sites go, if I picked a good emd domain then I start getting pretty good traffic at the beginning as I rank high for at least 70 plus long tail keywords. Then when google updates its system if the site was good enough ranking sticks, otherwise my results are so far gone that I just ditch it and try another site. Or you can just continue to try to build it up and hope it will regain its rankings. An example, launched a site 2 days ago and now that its indexed yesterday morning I have gotten about 30 visits yesterday and closing in on 70 today.

Dont know how adsense is going though because earnings been frozen for hours now.

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karuzo

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Sillysoft

Thats how my adsense sites go, if I picked a good emd domain then I start getting pretty good traffic at the beginning as I rank high for at least 70 plus long tail keywords. Then when google updates its system if the site was good enough ranking sticks, otherwise my results are so far gone that I just ditch it and try another site. Or you can just continue to try to build it up and hope it will regain its rankings. An example, launched a site 2 days ago and now that its indexed yesterday morning I have gotten about 30 visits yesterday and closing in on 70 today.

Dont know how adsense is going though because earnings been frozen for hours now.

Thanks for your response Sillysoft.

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