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301 Redirecting > Same or new content?

by pietpatat
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Ok so I have this free 3 page blog that is ranking quite nice and now I want to transfer these visitor & rankings to my new .com blog. I will do this by 301 redirecting the old blog to the new website.

But my question is: Is it better to write all new content for the new site for Google or better to use the old content that was already ranking?
#&gt #> #301 #content #redirecting
  • Profile picture of the author UMS
    Do the redirect to the pages with same content, then add some new content.
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    • Profile picture of the author UMS
      Originally Posted by willjake View Post

      I would make sure that the website your redirecting them to has fresh new content, so Google won't banned you for having duplicate content. After all of your usually visitors are aware of your new site I would incorporate the information from the blogs on to the website and I would get rid of the blogs completely. But be very careful with making this transition. If you change things to rapidly, you might lose your ranking.
      That's complete nonsense.

      Thousands and thousands of sites use 301 redirects everyday to point visitors and search engines to their new site.

      While there maybe a temporary drop in rankings, in most cases you'll retain your ranking.
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      Originally Posted by willjake View Post

      I would make sure that the website your redirecting them to has fresh new content, so Google won't banned you for having duplicate content. After all of your usually visitors are aware of your new site I would incorporate the information from the blogs on to the website and I would get rid of the blogs completely. But be very careful with making this transition. If you change things to rapidly, you might lose your ranking.
      It doesn't make any sense.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by willjake View Post

      UMS,
      that is not complete nonsense, I know of many people who have recently tried this and ended up with a banned account. I'm not implying that it absolutely will happen to him but I'm advising him to be on the safe side. Google's algorithm is not perfect. Also I did not tell him not to transfer the information over to his no website I'm simply advised him to do it with caution.

      Ps. You have admitted that there might be a drop in rankings so obviously my advice isn't completely nonsense.
      Google does not ban websites for just doing a redirect.

      The drop in rankings UMS described is due to Google recrawling the old site, finding, and indexing all the 301's and there is a little bit of linkjuice lost when you do a 301.

      Usually the drop is only a few spots, if any at all. A drop in rankings though is not a ban from Google.
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
          Originally Posted by willjake View Post

          Hey Mike

          As I mentioned a few of friends have tried making this transition and they lost their accounts. Content was adequate and helpful. There were no ads or banners on either sites, so it could not be mistaken as a mfa site. But as soon as they tried this, there accounts were banned. But anyway I was just advising him to take caution with this transition.
          Banning what account? AdSense?
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    • Profile picture of the author UMS
      Originally Posted by willjake View Post

      UMS,
      that is not complete nonsense, I know of many people who have recently tried this and ended up with a banned account.
      The only reason they would have ended up with a banned account is if they were doing something that wasn't legitimate.

      I've moved many sites (including many clients) to new domains via 301 redirects and it works just fine so long as you don't try any blackhat techniques.
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
          Originally Posted by willjake View Post

          Trust me they weren't, I know them. Their websites had quality content. They also did NOT have any ads or banners of their sites so it could not have beem mistaken as an mfa site. But as soon as they tried this redirecting technique their sites were banned the next day. Either way I'm not discouraging him from using this technique I'm just advising him to do it with caution.
          When you do a 301, it is normal to see the site disappear from the rankings for a bit. The old site no longer exists. The ranking does not just instantly transfer to the new site. That's not how it works.

          I've seen it take over a week before the new site started showing up in the SERPs.
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            • Profile picture of the author GodMode52
              Originally Posted by willjake View Post

              I understand that the rankings wont immediately transfer over to the new site. That's not what I was implying at all. But this happened over 2 years ago and still no results from Google. Yes they are to this day consistently trying to rank.

              Thanks for the daily dose of non sense.

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        • Profile picture of the author UMS
          Originally Posted by willjake View Post

          Trust me they weren't, I know them. Their websites had quality content. They also did NOT have any ads or banners of their sites so it could not have beem mistaken as an mfa site. But as soon as they tried this redirecting technique their sites were banned the next day.
          The sites were banned from what exactly?
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      Originally Posted by willjake View Post

      UMS,
      that is not complete nonsense, I know of many people who have recently tried this and ended up with a banned account.
      Now THAT is complete nonsense.

      Many ideas tossed around about 301's, but that is complete nonsense.

      I myself do not do 301's. I never get rid of indexed content. Nice
      place for 100% "forever" backlinks.

      Anyway, there are reasons for doing it. I don't agree 100% with
      UMS, but he points out some good stuff. Hinting that a 301
      really should be a 1-1 swap. Your visitor should be taken to the
      same, close to, or even as UMS said, improved page, same
      topic. Debating a topic is different than just nonsense.

      People have started using 301's for dumb things that it was never
      intended for.

      A little knowledge can be a bad thing.

      Originally Posted by willjake View Post

      Hey Mike

      As I mentioned a few of friends have tried making this transition and they lost their accounts. Content was adequate and helpful. There were no ads or banners on either sites, so it could not be mistaken as a mfa site. But as soon as they tried this, there accounts were banned. But anyway I was just advising him to take caution with this transition.
      Yeah, what account got banned? Make's no sense. Do you mean
      adsense?

      Can't think of a single reason an adsense account would get
      banned for a 301, unless it got redirected to a page that violated
      terms. But that's not a 301 problem, that's a content violation.

      Why would no ads or banners cloak an MFA site? That statement makes no
      sense, but gives a clue as to your thinking. You are obviously of a mindset
      to shmooze google. Therein lies the problem. Not a 301.

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  • Profile picture of the author jipolis7
    You can write all your content to the new site, but the rank will not be achieved in the search within a short time. So, what's then? I think first you should redirect your visitor for the first time and try the website ready within this time. It will work better I think.
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  • Profile picture of the author Austin E Anthony
    Yes, 301 work but make sure that you DON'T move content. Some people will tell you that you can use old site content on your new site, but don't do it.

    If you want to achieve the best results with 301 redirect, use completely fresh content on the new site and you will be fine. That is from my personal experience.
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  • Profile picture of the author willjake
    Okay, there seems to be a lot of confusion regarding my posts under this thread, and I understand the reasons why. However, people who have recently criticized my posts are misinterpreting my statements and it appears to me that they have not thoroughly followed the discussions that I was having with UMS and MikeFriedman. Anyway, it's pointless to continue these conversations under this thread so I have deleted all of my posts. I will clarify the point that I was trying to get across via pm's to everyone who has participated in this discussion.

    Ps: I understand that my statements are quoted in many posts under this thread. If you are reading these posts for the first time it may be misleading. Just send me a pm if your curious about the point that I was trying to get across.
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  • Profile picture of the author GodMode52
    lawl what's the point in deleting your posts and continuing via PM? It's a public forum man , relax & take it easy.
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  • Profile picture of the author UMS
    Why not clarify what you meant in this thread. That would make much more sense and be a lot more useful for everyone.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dead Body
    As Matt Cutts described 301 redirect as useful in SEO.. always use same content first.. and then add new content with great care... do not change images at all... only change 1 image per week this will help to no decreasing your rankings...
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  • Profile picture of the author kammy19
    Do add some new content too..it will boost your website..
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