Any Effective Private Blog Networks Out There?

PerformanceMan 11 years ago

Originally Posted by seoed

you mean you would not trust anyone of those networks anymore?

do you trust any linkbuilders other than yourself?

If any of them are selling 'unlimited posts' they're going to run into the problems you mentioned.

They would have to be high-priced and sell only to a few clients to be successful. Any 'mass posting' will result in 1) spun content and 2) posts falling off the first page too fast.
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Danny Cutts

11 years ago

I dont trust blog networks any more I never really trusted them before.

I also think we are watching linkbuilding get phased out... I still build links dont get me wrong but I am very careful and have a strict strategy that I work to and its a lot slower than before but it works....

Content is still king in my eyes and adding regular content is a lot more productive in my eyes.... As always things are changing so this will probably be valid this week...

What I do know is that you need to give the user what they are looking for so I reverse engineer everything now to make sure I am doing exactly what the visitor wants

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Murphysmurfy

11 years ago

STOP TRYING TO TAKE THE EASY WAY OUT

Build REAL links YOURSELF!!!

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Alexa Smith

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by seoed

we all know how hard those private blog networks were hit after the Google updates.

They were, indeed.

And the ones that haven't been hit yet may well be in future.

The shortcut approach to SEO will usually get what it deserves, sooner or later.

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MaxNiche

11 years ago

I have still seen few blog networks active and people using it to rank.But they don't have a name and they are not open for all.People run private blog networks for their own seo benefits.

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Princess Linda

11 years ago

Personally I would not risk "outsourcing" the responsibility for backlinks to my money site to just anyone.
The way I see it, the way to go is original content articles in original content only niche-targeted blogs. You can easily check that using "copyscape"
MaxNiche makes a good point:

Originally Posted by MaxNiche

I have still seen few blog networks active and people using it to rank.But they don't have a name and they are not open for all.People run private blog networks for their own seo benefits.

People DO still use PBN's for their own benefits; otherwise they would have abandoned them and moved on to the next SEO method.
But the right way IMO is using them for 2nd tier backlinks, not direct them to your money site (this way you get the benefits while avoiding the risks), One I know of is thesocialmarketing[dot]net/pbn[dot]html
For the 1st tier backlinks, the ones that go directly to your money sites, i would go ONLY for guest blogging solutions with original hand written content (like guestbloggingempire [dot] com).
There are only 2 ways to get good Original content,
You can write it yourself or you can pay a professional. (it's actually not as expensive as you'd think)
If you chose to pay a pro over getting into it yourself, look for a service that offers personal service, because automatic writing services will drive you crazy, trust me on that one...
Ho, and one more thing Murphysmurfy,

Originally Posted by Murphysmurfy

STOP taking the easy way out, of you won't be in this business for long.

I DON'T AGREE.
I thing that some things are made to be taken with a shortcut.
Let's say (for argument sake) that my time is priced at 25$ per hour. If my options are to take 2 hours to write a 400 word original post myself or to pay 5-10$ for a professional to write it, I think we can all agree which is the SMART business decision here.

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seoed

11 years ago

They were, indeed.

And the ones that haven't been hit yet may well be in future.

The shortcut approach to SEO will usually get what it deserves, sooner or later.

hey alexa, hello again, nice to see you on my thread

I also think we are watching linkbuilding get phased out... I still build links dont get me wrong but I am very careful and have a strict strategy that I work to and its a lot slower than before but it works....

hm, well, I also try to go the safe road but I wouldnt say that it is slower, I would even say that it almost doesnt work at all. Or maybe I have to wait more than already 4 months, I dont know. I am talking about building manual backlinks, which as a consequence cannot be built massively. I think this is the problem, Google needs much more time to put those "few" backlinks into consideration.

I have still seen few blog networks active and people using it to rank.But they don't have a name and they are not open for all.People run private blog networks for their own seo benefits.

ok, is anyone out there who is doing this here on WF?

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Murphysmurfy 11 years ago

Originally Posted by seoed

ok, is anyone out there who is doing this here on WF?

ARE YOU SERIOUS?

Have you not been listening to anyone?

This is a blackhat method!

Google will penalize you!

STOP taking the easy way out, of you won't be in this business for long.
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seoed

11 years ago

ARE YOU SERIOUS?

Have you not been listening to anyone?

This is a blackhat method!

Google will penalize you!

You call that black hat? Ok, then tell me what is white hat in your opinion.

STOP taking the easy way out, of you won't be in this business for long.

I wouldnt call that "easy". However, I have to admit that if the network gets hit then business could go down the drain.
It sounds as if you try to get natural backlinks where people link voluntarily to your site. How long do you have to wait to get one natural backlink?

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Murphysmurfy

11 years ago

Originally Posted by seoed

You call that black hat? Ok, then tell me what is white hat in your opinion.

I wouldnt call that "easy". However, I have to admit that if the network gets hit then business could go down the drain.
It sounds as if you try to get natural backlinks where people link voluntarily to your site. How long do you have to wait to get one natural backlink?

All you have to do is look for blogs and forums related to your subject.

Provide meaningful comments with a link at the end.

Ask blogs if you can guest post for them.

Don't join these communities, because if they are caught there will be consequences.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by seoed

It sounds as if you try to get natural backlinks where people link voluntarily to your site. How long do you have to wait to get one natural backlink?

I get many every day. As article syndicators do: quality links from relevant sites, links from people who choose to link to my sites. "Natural" links, in other words. Strange how those links seem to grow a little in strength every time Google breathes over its magic algorithms? (They may not really - it's just that all the sites with "shortcut" method backlinks seem conveniently to disappear

).

But in the end, all that any sort of backlinks can get you is SEO traffic, which I've always found to be the worst quality traffic anyway: those visitors stay less time, view fewer pages, opt in less often and buy a lot less often. Across my entire range of niches. Just my perspective.

Originally Posted by seoed

Yes, guest blogging seems to be very effective and rewarding.

Yes - agree completely. Targeted traffic (and relevant backlinks). Can't beat it, really. It's just "another form of article marketing", after all.

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seregap

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

I get many every day. As article syndicators do: quality links from relevant sites, links from people who choose to link to my sites. "Natural" links, in other words. Strange how those links seem to grow a little in strength every time Google breathes over its magic algorithms? (They may not really - it's just that all the sites with "shortcut" method backlinks seem conveniently to disappear

).

hey Alexa, any examples?

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seoed

11 years ago

All you have to do is look for blogs and forums related to your subject.

Provide meaningful comments with a link at the end.

Ask blogs if you can guest post for them.

Yes, guest blogging seems to be very effective and rewarding. Its more
difficult to get but could also pay off more in the long run. I read about a guy
who did that on his new site and got 100k visitors per month in under 1 year.

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KingMedia

11 years ago

Seriously, building your own "blog network" is the way to go. You have control over content, ip's, etc.

In the end, it costs about the same to have your own as opposed to using a "service".

All you need is separate ip's & nameservers, 20-30 related aged domains with PR + new domains that are relative to your niche.

Each site in your network should have 10 or so posts on it. And just keep adding to it as need be.

Of course there is a bit more to it than that, but that's the overall rundown.

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seoed

11 years ago

All you need is separate ip's & nameservers, 20-30 related aged domains with PR + new domains that are relative to your niche.

Each site in your network should have 10 or so posts on it. And just keep adding to it as need be.

Of course there is a bit more to it than that, but that's the overall rundown.

Do you talk about "new" domains or expired PR domains? The strange thing with those PR domains is that their PR drops very fast once I put my own content on it. Has anyone an idea why this happens? I think PR has much more to do that just the backlink structure of the domain. When all the content which was there before suddenly disappears I guess the PR is reduced too.

I get many every day. As article syndicators do: quality links from relevant sites, links from people who choose to link to my sites. "Natural" links, in other words. Strange how those links seem to grow a little in strength every time Google breathes over its magic algorithms? (They may not really - it's just that all the sites with "shortcut" method backlinks seem conveniently to disappear ).

If I am not wrong you talk about this article syndication in a longer post somewhere. Could it be that you were talking about some strange recipe or so, or was this someone else?

The question is where do we find all those people accepting our articles?

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Alexa Smith Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by seoed

If I am not wrong you talk about this article syndication in a longer post somewhere.

Yes, in many, I'm afraid.

I think this is the post you're thinking of? http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5035794

Originally Posted by seoed

Could it be that you were talking about some strange recipe or so, or was this someone else?

No, that was me: I used "cauliflower soup", just as a random example, in that post.

Originally Posted by seoed

The question is where do we find all those people accepting our articles?

Explained in this thread (among others): http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post6575732
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KingMedia

11 years ago

Originally Posted by seoed

Do you talk about "new" domains or expired PR domains? The strange thing with those PR domains is that their PR drops very fast once I put my own content on it. Has anyone an idea why this happens? I think PR has much more to do that just the backlink structure of the domain. When all the content which was there before suddenly disappears I guess the PR is reduced too.

NEVER buy expired domains. The domains you want should be active and not have any "drops" (whois). You'll end up paying $60-$150+ for each (depending on pagerank, age, and backlinks) during an auction or on "backorder".

There is a LOT more to this, but I wanted to be clear about this as a lot of newbs start off with expired domains as a way to save money - which doesn't work because they lose their "age" once you register it and the clock gets set back to zero.

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PerformanceMan

11 years ago

Originally Posted by KingMedia

NEVER buy expired domains. The domains you want should be active and not have any "drops" (whois). You'll end up paying $60-$150+ for each (depending on pagerank, age, and backlinks) during an auction or on "backorder".

There is a LOT more to this, but I wanted to be clear about this as a lot of newbs start off with expired domains as a way to save money - which doesn't work because they lose their "age" once you register it and the clock gets set back to zero.

Yepper. I really think the average 'newb' is missing this point altogether. The domain can NOT officially 'drop' or your backlinks will be reset.

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YellowGreenMedia

11 years ago

Originally Posted by KingMedia

which doesn't work because they lose their "age" once you register it and the clock gets set back to zero.

Really, that is strange cus i have bought me some PR5 domains with 2 drops on them in Okt 2012 and up until today one is PR4 and the other is still PR5, mind you i haven't done any extra back-linking, i just bought them, build a bog, added 20 articles to the domain and that is it, can you explain that for me then?

Cus you say that dropped domains are being reset (that is something i believed too) but my data says something very different, was i being lucky... even if that is the case then it is save to conclude that not every dropped domain is being reset to 0, right?

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irishsolar

11 years ago

Originally Posted by YellowGreenMedia

Really, that is strange cus i have bought me some PR5 domains with 2 drops on them in Okt 2012 and up until today one is PR4 and the other is still PR5, mind you i haven't done any extra back-linking, i just bought them, build a bog, added 20 articles to the domain and that is it, can you explain that for me then?

Cus you say that dropped domains are being reset (that is something i believed too) but my data says something very different, was i being lucky... even if that is the case then it is save to conclude that not every dropped domain is being reset to 0, right?

Where did you get the domains?

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John Romaine

11 years ago

Consistently good original content is how you dominate the search engines.

Not by posting "mini blurbs" to silly blog networks.

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aizaku

11 years ago

do you really wanna chance it?

it was the Valentine's day massacre the last time.

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seoed

11 years ago

No, that was me: I used "cauliflower soup", just as a random example, in that post.

Ok, than my mind is still working properly! I dont know how this soup tastes but it sounds "different"

do you really wanna chance it?

it was the Valentine's day massacre the last time.

hm? what exactly do you mean?

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seoed

11 years ago

It's interesting that you dont recommend buying domains with a PR. There are
some sellers here on WF who are selling those kinds of domains. Do you really want
to say that this is a nonsense-buy?

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DPM70

11 years ago

How much do you want to pay? I have a clean blog network where your link could be the only outbound link on all 20 x PR4 - PR6 sites. It will cost you, though.

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seoed

11 years ago

How much do you want to pay? I have a clean blog network where your link could be the only outbound link on all 20 x PR4 - PR6 sites. It will cost you, though.

Have you read some of the above posts? People discourage us from using ANY kind of blog networks because of the high risk of future updates resulting in a potential deindexation...

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DPM70

11 years ago

hmmm. interesting.... I think I'll let those domains drop....you've turned me around..I'm a new guy now...

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seoed

11 years ago

hmmm. interesting.... I think I'll let those domains drop....you've turned me around..I'm a new guy now...

good decision because disobedience will not be tolerated

I didnt mean to drop domains, but the topic of longevity of blog networks. It can work very well at first but what if those blogs will be misused in the future? This could also harm old customers, dont you think so?

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Kevin McNally

11 years ago

The question now:

Are there any blog networks you know which (still or now) work?

I am using one that is showing some positive results but it's early days yet, PM me if you want for details.

Anyone using private blog networks should already be aware of the risks involved so I won't get into a big debate over this.

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kaytav

11 years ago

Private Blog Networks are not bad at all. You can build a great relation as an author and can add useful content to these blogs. However people who just give Paid links on such blogs are definitely gonna get into problems. It is important to choose these blogs properly.

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seoed

11 years ago

I see that a lot of people are not recommending blog networks any more.

Seems like many would more go for guest posts instead.

Nonetheless, the offers here on WF are much more blog network based in contrast
to guest posting. The latter is much more difficult to realize but I think
internet marketers would like to go for this kind of service as it seems more
rewarding in the long run. Has anyone made some experiences with this?

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Mike Anthony 11 years ago

Originally Posted by seoed

I see that a lot of people are not recommending blog networks any more.

You posted this on the main board and it was moved. I can always tell by the people who respond and the junk advice they give pretending like SEO is dead or ineffective because they couldn't make it work . That was your first mistake.

The second one is included in the title of your thread. Trying to find a private network by asking the public is like going to Haiti to find out what white people think.
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MikeFriedman

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Murphysmurfy

ARE YOU SERIOUS?

Have you not been listening to anyone?

This is a blackhat method!

Google will penalize you!

STOP taking the easy way out, of you won't be in this business for long.

Originally Posted by Murphysmurfy

STOP TRYING TO TAKE THE EASY WAY OUT

Build REAL links YOURSELF!!!

Originally Posted by Murphysmurfy

All you have to do is look for blogs and forums related to your subject.

Provide meaningful comments with a link at the end.

Ask blogs if you can guest post for them.

Don't join these communities, because if they are caught there will be consequences.

Your advice is both stupid and short-sighted. Yes, public blog networks have risks, and I would never recommend using one. However, truly private networks are far less blackhat than your garbage suggestion of blog commenting. You know what blog commenting is? It is spamming. Do not give me crap about how you provide useful comments. That is what spammers say when they are trying to justify what they do.

I could care less if you are a spammer, just do not try looking down your nose at other people for ways they are building links.

Guest posting can work, but guess what? Guest posting is 100% no different than operating a private network. You are utilizing a network of sites to put your links on them, are you not?

Now, I'm not talking about crappy BMR and ALN style network sites. The ones I create are standalone sites. For example, if I decide tomorrow that I am going to enter into the "how to brew beer" niche, I would buy 10-12 domains and build real sites on them. They would each be useful resources on their own. One might be just devoted to home brewing recipes. Another might be devoted to home brewing mishaps. You get the idea.

None would possess the same content from site to site. They would link out to useful resources as well as my main site. Some would probably have Twitter and Facebook accounts. A few of them might even sell something on their own.

They would be independently useful sites that just happen to link to my main site. It's no different than how Microsoft and many of the other big corporations operate. They link all their properties together.

Easy way out, my ass. I dropped over two grand on just a few sites in the past couple of weeks, including content, graphics, and design. If you visited any of the sites independently, you would have no idea they are part of a network.

That is how you build a network that works.

And by the way, if you are pointing the links at sites you care about, in my opinion, blog commenting is one of the absolute worst techniques you can possibly use. You have no control over the sites. You have no idea when the webmaster might decide to stop moderating the site and let any comments get through. Then guess what? You links are sitting right there beside links for porn, viagra, gambling, and on pages with 1000's of outgoing backlinks. They quickly could be classified as link farms.

With my networks, I have 100% control of the content and can ensure that kind of thing will never happen.

Originally Posted by seoed

Do you talk about "new" domains or expired PR domains? The strange thing with those PR domains is that their PR drops very fast once I put my own content on it. Has anyone an idea why this happens? I think PR has much more to do that just the backlink structure of the domain. When all the content which was there before suddenly disappears I guess the PR is reduced too.

PR is 100% about backlinks. Nothing to do with content (other than internal link structure). You need to make sure the backlinks truly exist before you are buying a domain. My guess is you are buying domains with very few backlinks if any or sites with fake PR. There are a couple of ways PR can be faked. Basically just look to see that the backlinks exist, right now, today. Also, make sure there are no 301 redirects pointing at the site. Sometimes people will do a bunch of 301's to boost the PR, sell it, then turn off the 301's.

Originally Posted by KingMedia

NEVER buy expired domains. The domains you want should be active and not have any "drops" (whois). You'll end up paying $60-$150+ for each (depending on pagerank, age, and backlinks) during an auction or on "backorder".

There is a LOT more to this, but I wanted to be clear about this as a lot of newbs start off with expired domains as a way to save money - which doesn't work because they lose their "age" once you register it and the clock gets set back to zero.

Originally Posted by PerformanceMan

Yepper. I really think the average 'newb' is missing this point altogether. The domain can NOT officially 'drop' or your backlinks will be reset.

I've actually bought a lot of expired domains that worked out just fine. I also used to use the "no drops" rule, but have bought domains that have been dropped in the past and kept their PR just fine too.

But it is a slightly bigger risk.

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palms

11 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

You need to make sure the backlinks truly exist before you are buying a domain.

Mike, I know you use Spyglass to accomplish this, but do you have an opinion as to how accurate or up-to-date Majestic and aHrefs are compared to Spyglass, for this task?

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MikeFriedman

11 years ago

Originally Posted by palms

Mike, I know you use Spyglass to accomplish this, but do you have an opinion as to how accurate or up-to-date Majestic and aHrefs are compared to Spyglass, for this task?

They are not as accurate because SpyGlass is checking it right now.

Ahrefs and Majestic generally have a larger database though.

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Murphysmurfy

11 years ago

I don't spam, in fact I make sure I don't.

I write insightful comments and articles on blogs and forums related to my niches.

These comments work, and they will continue to work, for they are NOT spam.

Anyway, I believe in tough love on this forum, so I will outright say what is wrong and what is right. It is up to the OP to do his research and figure it out.

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MikeFriedman

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Murphysmurfy

I don't spam, in fact I make sure I don't.

I write insightful comments and articles on blogs and forums related to my niches.

These comments work, and they will continue to work, for they are NOT spam.

Anyway, I believe in tough love on this forum, so I will outright say what is wrong and what is right. It is up to the OP to do his research and figure it out.

Spoken like a true spammer. Like I said, spammers try to justify it by saying their somments are insightful and add something to the community.

If you want to leave comments that are insightful and helpful, then do it without the link. If you are dropping the link, you are spamming. You are just fooling yourself if you think you are not.

Tough love is fine. That's why I pointed out everything wrong with your advice.

In theory, blog commenting seems fine. However, as I said, you have no control over how a site you comment on will be moderated in the future. Therefore, it is actually a much more risky SEO technique than using a private network. You might be dropping links on places that Google will clearly view as link farms in the future. Before 2012, that kind of stuff couldn't really hurt a site all that much. Probably didn't help much, but didn't really hurt. Days have changed.

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Murphysmurfy

11 years ago

Wow, are you that ignorant?

It's SEO and it works.

It's not spamming, for each comment is unique and give value.

Don't make assumptions.

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MikeFriedman 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Murphysmurfy

Wow, are you that ignorant?

It's SEO and it works.

It's not spamming, for each comment is unique and give value.

Don't make assumptions.

Look, I don't care if you are a spammer. I have nothing against spammers. I could care less what others are doing.

Like I said, just don't freak out on other people for their link building techniques, especially in this case when using a network is a much higher quality link building technique than blog commenting.
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Murphysmurfy

11 years ago

Nice trolling.

Blog commenting>blog networks

Blog networks have been penalized by google.

Now excuse me, I have money to make.

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MikeFriedman 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Murphysmurfy

Nice trolling.

Blog commenting>blog networks

Blog networks have been penalized by google.

Now excuse me, I have money to make.

I didn't say blog networks. I said private networks.
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trytolearnmore 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Murphysmurfy

Blog commenting>blog networks

You don't see that every day
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seoed

11 years ago

It's interesting:

Whenever I see Mike Athony posting something Mike Friedman is not far away on almost every thread. Are you something like a tag-team or so

You were talking about private networks which you have built in the past. So, it worked you said. How many articles did you built per blog? I guess, you have also made them stronger with backlinks. however, I don't think you used blog networks on them

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MikeFriedman

11 years ago

Originally Posted by seoed

It's interesting:

Whenever I see Mike Athony posting something Mike Friedman is not far away on almost every thread. Are you something like a tag-team or so

I just happened to log on today, saw this thread at the top of the forum, and got infuriated with some of the stupidity in the thread, so I had to comment. Just a coincidence that Mr. Anthony was in there too right before me.

However, being that private networks is a large part of what we each do for our clients, these threads tend to interest us more than the "what keyword density should I use on my blog" and "how many links should I build in a day" kind of nonsense threads.

Originally Posted by seoed

You were talking about private networks which you have built in the past. So, it worked you said. How many articles did you built per blog? I guess, you have also made them stronger with backlinks. however, I don't think you used blog networks on them

Most of my sites range anywhere from 8-25 pages. Just depends on my plans for the particular site. I do some backlinking to them. I'll toss them in some directories (permanent links, one-time fee). Nothing too complex.

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seoed

11 years ago

Most of my sites range anywhere from 8-25 pages. Just depends on my plans for the particular site. I do some backlinking to them. I'll toss them in some directories (permanent links, one-time fee). Nothing too complex.

thanks for clarifying. probably you also pay attention to the fact that all the domains reside on different IPs or better different hoster, dont you?

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MikeFriedman 11 years ago

Originally Posted by seoed

thanks for clarifying. probably you also pay attention to the fact that all the domains reside on different IPs or better different hoster, dont you?

I do not keep sites in the same niche with the same host. So with one host I might have one site devoted to fitness, one to finance, and another to medicine.

No identical OBL's between them.

But yeah, I do have multiple sites with one host. Keeps it cheaper.

I also mix up Wordpress, HTML, sometimes Blogger among them. For Wordpress, different themes, different setups, different plugins, etc.
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seoed

11 years ago

hm, interesting. but I assume that those blogs on the same hoster are NOT targeting the same money website, am I correct?

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MikeFriedman 11 years ago

Originally Posted by seoed

hm, interesting. but I assume that those blogs on the same hoster are NOT targeting the same money website, am I correct?

Nope. They are completely different niches.
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gearmonkey

11 years ago

Originally Posted by seoed

Hi,

we all know how hard those private blog networks were hit
after the Google updates. In their old version they are all
useless or have become so.

However, I guess there are still some out there where
those mistakes are not made any more.

With mistakes I mean:

1. Too many blog posts in a short time
2. Too many OBLs per post
3. Having every category on the blog
4. Having different IPs for the blogs but having most of them with one hoster
5. Bad readability of posted articles

Maybe there are some more mistakes that were made but these
seem to be the main ones I think.

The question now:

Are there any blog networks you know which (still or now) work?

Thanks for your contribution.

I never had a problem with my network. Here's why:

1. Too many blog posts in a short time
Not sure if this matters, I've never posted more than 12 articles in one day, but average around 5 per day.

2. Too many OBLs per post
I only allow one (max of 2) links per post

3. Having every category on the blog
Not sure this matters, but I only have one category.

4. Having different IPs for the blogs but having most of them with one hoster
This is huge. I mix up hosting providers, IPs, and even domain providers and use whois privacy on some and not on others

5. Bad readability of posted articles
This is the most important one here, I only post high quality and unique articles. I only allow articles that is written for my real readers (yes my blog network has real readers, which is another important factor =) I also randomly post videos with a unique written description with just a youtube video embedded!

I also remove footprints and do other various things. It's not hard to have a private blog network, the key is being smart about them and treating them like real websites... because they are real websites that add value for the readers!

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heavysm 11 years ago

Build. Your. Own.

If a network is truly private it isn't shared with anyone. That's when you can make sure everything works out well (or as best as possible) and not rely on others defecting with non-unique posts, domains with crappy link profiles, and the other multitude of problems that can arise with a shared network.

Building your own, albeit however slow and tedious it may feel, is seriously the best route.
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ProSence

11 years ago

Well, I have found a list of Guest blogging sites, I haven't used them, but I'm thinking of using that.

the list is A long list of guest blogging sites

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Mike Grant

11 years ago

If you have access to it, it's not private.

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danparks 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Grant

If you have access to it, it's not private.

Seems obvious, but it's probably useful for Mike to point this out. People confuse those huge, open-to-the-public networks with very small, very private networks that are "by invitation only". Huge difference in what works, what gets banned, etc.
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seoed

11 years ago

if we want to guest post then it surely has to be "public", otherwise the guest post would not make any sense as the "guests" wouldnt be there to read your post

yes, guest posts also bring some nice traffic mostly because there are actually real people reading those blogs. so, its not just for the sake of the backlink which has of course a high value.

gearmonkey's (public, I guess) network seems to be solid. what are your conditions?

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Mike Anthony 11 years ago

Originally Posted by seoed

gearmonkey's (public, I guess) network seems to be solid. what are your conditions?

Gear might get upset but there is no public network provider who is not going to say his network is solid. None of the things Gear listed is why he has not got dinged. The real reason is because he is small and not very popular. He may or may not have got dinged yet but its no indication that he won't. Police can only pull over so many cars but theres no way you are safe blowing by a cop at 90 mph. He may not have had time for you then but he may tomorrow.

Five posts a day two links a day is ten a day and it is highly unlikely they are all in the same niche so there is not that much different from a standard rental blog network. Having only one category means absolutely nothing. Everybody mixes up Ips.

Like it or not advertising services publicly on places like WF, TP wickedF etc makes all of those networks vunerable. The people there buying relatively cheap services will use you today and rat your sites out in a disavow tool submission tomorrow. When they do everyone that uses those sites will see potential penalties. people talk about footrints all the time but you want to know the number one "footprint" for networks - customers. Get the wrong ones and give them a list of of all their links - because all you are selling is links - and you are vunerable.

Be my guest and continue to look for networks that will show themselves on an open board filled with Internet marketers looking for cheap services and a quick buck. What you can't do is convince anyone that any service that anyone can sign up for and is publicly marketed is either private or solid.
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seoed

11 years ago

ok, so you say every private network will have some more or less severe weak
points.

is that the reason why you teach us how to build our own network?

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danparks 11 years ago

Originally Posted by seoed

ok, so you say every private network will have some more or less severe weak
points.

is that the reason why you teach us how to build our own network?

A private network will have a weakness if it makes itself very well known, such as through advertising in forums. But in that case, it's really no longer a private network - it's public. A true private network relies on getting clients through "word of mouth," as in contacting people you've worked with before, or "friend of a friend" types contacting you. That sort of thing.
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Mike Anthony

11 years ago

Originally Posted by seoed

ok, so you say every private network will have some more or less severe weak
points.

is that the reason why you teach us how to build our own network?

Has nothing to do with my course though. Lots of people build their own network because then they have complete control however I am not saying that there is no secure network out there. You are still confusing Private network with public network. I guess it has to do with ownership but seriously when did the public ever own a network?

So when you say private network it ought to be private - known by only a few offered to even fewer people. IF the public can just click a sig link and sign up it aint private. Worse almost all of the ones offered on Wf give link reports which is nothing more than giving everyone that signs up a list of major parts of their network - thats way public.

So as I have said yes there are pretty secure private networks out there but asking for the public to point them out to you is going to fail miserably.

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danparks

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Worse almost all of the ones offered on Wf give link reports which is nothing more than giving everyone that signs up a list of major parts of their network - thats way public.

Probably an overlooked point, but very important. Some (potential) clients insist on a report. I get it, it's human nature to want to monitor things you're paying for. But I don't do it and will turn down a job if a report is required. You're giving up your network (or a fair portion of it) if you give a report. It really isn't a great loss to say "no" to such a client, as this type of person is also typically the type to also try to lay down ground rules of what you should do ("I require 100 article directory submissions, 200 social bookmarks, etc, etc, per month").

I don't know jack about auto repair (to the detriment of my wallet...). If I need auto repair, I try to find the best job at the best price. But I don't micro-manage a mechanic and tell him he needs to outline how many minutes he spent removing bolts, replacing this or that, etc. People do that because they don't want to get burned. But that doesn't work (a person could simply make up values, or turn down the job because they don't want to be told how to do their job). All that matters is the end result. "I will fix your car for $X" or "I will rank your site Top 10 for keyword X for $Y." Get clients who agree with that philosophy and both parties will be happy.

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nik0

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Worse almost all of the ones offered on Wf give link reports which is nothing more than giving everyone that signs up a list of major parts of their network - thats way public.

Although I don't provide live link reports in my monthly service (cause I utilize a much larger part of my network there then with the one time packages), it's still dead easy for people to login to Google Webmasters and download the complete list there.

Can't disagree that it's public but when you think of it then every SEO provider, no matter how well they block the crawlers, places their links on a public network.

So a private network is only private when you only use it for your very own sites and not for any clients at all.

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Rocketguy

11 years ago

Yes, there are still blog networks out there that work and work well. There is just a lot of things that must be done in order to have to work correctly and effectively.

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Karan Rawat

11 years ago

Hi, I made blog on 4th Dec 2012 and Having many sites From the Same IP . Can anyone track me By footprints of my blog or website..?
seosmomarketing.blogspot.com is my personal Blog.

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irishsolar

11 years ago

Does anyone know where you can buy real PR4+ domains? There are so many fake PR domains for sale and it takes so long to look for redirects, backlinks, drops etc. etc., its exhausting trying to find good ones.

I would really love to know if there are any good forums for domain sales or domain selling sites out there that are reliable.

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loo1

11 years ago

Seems personal to those who make use of this to stop and work on something really creative linkbuiling instead of all the blog network!

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squadron

11 years ago

Originally Posted by seoed

...

Maybe there are some more mistakes that were made but these
seem to be the main ones I think.

I don't think I would use any blog network named on Warrior Forum.

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dcary13

11 years ago

You guys are aware that "private networks" are in real "public networks"?

Its just a marketing trick to name them "private" instead of "public" because you
have to pay to access them.

But its the same as you name books at amazon a "private book network" because
you have to pay for them before you can read them.

*Real* private networks are run by real private persons and are only used for them or for a small circle of real trusted persons, in most cases other private network owners where you exchange links.

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loo1

11 years ago

What is Google? These links will gradually

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DPM70 11 years ago

Originally Posted by loo1

What is Google? These links will gradually

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loo1

11 years ago

So you are saying that you have to deselect it?

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nik0 Banned 11 years ago

To the point, I offer SEO services here and my network is only so large...

(sometimes a problem with larger clients where I still have to deal with small budgets of only a couple hundred a month so setting up a private network based on that budget is not that doable as a solid PR4 domain costs $200,- not to mention setup costs and content costs, and obvious I also need to make money)

...so some time ago I looked into other providers from this forum and other IM forums and tested 3 of them that seemed legit based on their sales letter, claims like unique content would be used, high quality blogs and so on...

The reality however showed something different when I received the reports:

- Provider 1 used spun content
- Provider 2 used spun content on faked PR domains
- Provider 3 created the PR of his domains with 10,000's of spammy blog comments and such

All together I was obvious not too happy as all of the sales threads turned out to be one big LIE.

So yeah I can give you the advice to check with the seller:

- that your posts are surrounded by unique content
- that they stay at least a week or two on the homepage
- that they bought high PR domains with real back link profiles instead of spammed PR n/a's

However as said, when the sellers are plain out lieing about tons of things then this advice isn't worth sh!t.
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thesweetspot

11 years ago

Of course there are, all of them are actually working, but the issue people don't realize is how to use blog networks, I'm already making a product for this so that internet marketers know how to leverage the networks so they can generate more passive income.

One of the ways to leverage any blog network is to simply include your own type of human marketing like yahoo answers, forums posts and other related interaction based activity especially social media and youtube uploads from your channel and pinterest interaction. When you mix that in with the blog networks, you are guaranteed improvement across the board.

Some companies offer their services so that you can get more submissions per month for less than having to sign up to each one. This is smart for webmasters to offer as well as those who need more traffic to their sites.

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