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Can Social Bookmarks Harm A New Site & How Quickly?

by RedShifted
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I was building links to my site by posting articles to blogs/web2.0 and getting comments on high pr blogs.

Around 3 weeks old it was on page 3 of google, and I was extremely excited.

Out of greedy, stupidity, lack of experience, I wanted to give it a little "boost" and built 15 social bookmarks directly to the site in 1 day.

About 3-4 days later I came back to check its rankings, and noticed the site dropped from page 3 into the abyss. It was not deindexed, it just vanished deep into the SERPS.

From week 3 - week 9 I have slowly been building up blogs and linking, getting more high pr blog links, uploading youtube videos, posting links on CL everyday, and I can NOT get my site above the first 100 results so I can at least tell WHERE it is.

I do around 3 blog posts a day.
2 high pr backlinks twice a week.
2 youtube videos a week
3 craigslist backlinks/ads every day.
1 original quality article on my site every other day.

I have not done any more social bookmarks because I'm not sure if they've hurt the site. It could have been a simple "honeymoon" period that ended right around the time I built bookmarks for all I know, I'm not sure.

But what bugs me the most is that there is no software that can tell me WHERE my site ranks for certain keywords.

The keyword I'm targeting gets about 3,600 searches a month.

Am I right in assuming there is no software that can find a site if its deep in the SERPS? So I can tell at least if it moved from page 400 to page 375? lol.

When you guys are in situations like this, do you just keep blindly building more links and waiting? Am I targeting a keyword that is too competitive? Should I reoptimized my onpage SEO and target keywords with 1,000-2,000 searches a month?

Just looking for advice. I'd like to gain some momentum over the next month or 2 and am not exactly sure what I'm doing. I've ranked older sites fairly easily, but new sites are a bitch. For now on I'm thinking ahead. If I plan on SEO'n a website 1 year from now, I'll register/index the site now, and just let it age. This is the first new site I've delt with, and it seems like google hates new sites.

-Red
#bookmarks #harm #quickly #site #social
  • Profile picture of the author Icematikx
    Listen, your site's new and it's far too early to tell what's happening. There's a good chance Google has applied a content penalty on your site. These penalties expire after some time. It's a way of Google saying, "Here, go and fix your site, we'll check back in a month". It may be this, or it may be that your site doesn't deserve to be in the SERPs.

    Nobody will know without seeing your site, your competition etc..

    Edit: You do realize Google only counts 1 link per domain? Your craigslist ads are useless. Do one, and forget about it. Same with YouTube, unless your YouTube vids are actually driving traffic. Sure, other links count, but they will be inevitably devalued. Focus on applying the same strategies to other domains.
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  • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
    That can't be true. "1 link per domain"?!

    I appreciate your help, but I have every reason in the world to believe you're wrong.
    For one thing, many of my top competitors are getting backlinks from a total of only 10-15 domains. And MOST of them are focusing on getting hundreds of links from only a select few (like 3-4).

    If you check their SEO over the last 5 years, they may have 400 links coming from just 1 domain. Their sites rank #1 in google. So there is no way I can believe that they've been doing SEO all this time the wrong way.

    What does make sense however is the content penalty. I believe that is probably what is going on. When I checked my websites cache -MMRG, Mold Remediation & Basement Waterproofing in NJ-

    I found out it was cached precisely on the day I updated wordpress, and found out I had an error displaying on the site. I fixed the error later that day, and noticed that google cached the site before it was fixed.

    So do you think that had anything to do with this?
    I definitely think you're on to something, but I still can't believe that google only counts 1 link from each domain. If you said "url", I might believe it, but not an overall domain. That doesn't make sense from all the research I've done. You're basically saying that most of the sites on page 1 are doing SEO wrong lol.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      The number of social bookmarks is a nonissue. Big difference
      between not helping and hurting. Don't you want to go viral?
      You WANT people to "bookmark" you in many ways, and do it
      often.


      You can have multiple links from the same domain. I interlink,
      they count. I have multiple links from squidoo, blogpsot, just
      to name 2. And they are counted as multiple links.
      It would be a sad internet world if that were true.

      I have no idea what that previous reply is talking about,
      including content penalties, expiring penalties,...

      Make as many good links as you can.

      Paul
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    • Profile picture of the author anwar001
      You said you post ads on Craigslist. Is it for SEO benefit or for direct traffic? If you are doing it for direct traffic, are you getting visitors from those ads?
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    • Profile picture of the author madstan
      Originally Posted by RedShifted View Post

      That can't be true. "1 link per domain"?!

      I appreciate your help, but I have every reason in the world to believe you're wrong.
      For one thing, many of my top competitors are getting backlinks from a total of only 10-15 domains. And MOST of them are focusing on getting hundreds of links from only a select few (like 3-4).

      If you check their SEO over the last 5 years, they may have 400 links coming from just 1 domain. Their sites rank #1 in google. So there is no way I can believe that they've been doing SEO all this time the wrong way.

      What does make sense however is the content penalty. I believe that is probably what is going on. When I checked my websites cache -MMRG, Mold Remediation & Basement Waterproofing in NJ-

      I found out it was cached precisely on the day I updated wordpress, and found out I had an error displaying on the site. I fixed the error later that day, and noticed that google cached the site before it was fixed.

      So do you think that had anything to do with this?
      I definitely think you're on to something, but I still can't believe that google only counts 1 link from each domain. If you said "url", I might believe it, but not an overall domain. That doesn't make sense from all the research I've done. You're basically saying that most of the sites on page 1 are doing SEO wrong lol.
      I recently found out Alexa does.
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  • Profile picture of the author Icematikx
    Sure, they count, but ever so slightly. There's no point doing it, as the links are almost worth nothing. I would prefer an in-content link over a site-wide link any day, as an example.

    People need to stop focusing on getting backlinks from "free" sources. I have always used the same motto in SEO and I continue to do so.

    If you're building links for yourself, then you're voting for yourself. A link should be a vote between one brand to another brand. Web 2.0's are already hugely devalued. No longer are the days where an Ezinearticles link pushes you up in the SERPs.

    People need to start focusing on building their own network, or writing appealing content to attract links. I have always said it, and I will continue to say it, web 2.0's and crappy little "blogs" on sites are not going to stay around for much longer.
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  • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
    Icematik I think I see what you're saying but I'd like to clear something up. Because I have noticed one major difference between my backlinks and my competitors backlinks.

    They are not using "crappy little blogs" to link back to their site, like I am.

    What they seem to be doing is registering .coms, and building up those sites with relevant content, then backlinking to their money sites.

    Is that technically considered a "network".
    So what I'm doing by registering lots of free blogs, and filling them with content, thats not really a "network"?

    This is something I've always been confused about.

    I'll register 5 relevant .coms tommorow and start filling them up with quality content, if you're saying it will make a significant difference. I mean, google should definitely respect a .com more than a free blog, so it makes sense to me.

    But when people say the term "network", is that what they are refering to? Networks are domains that people own, designed for the purpose of posting relevant content, and getting backlinks?

    Am I on the right track?

    Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author Icematikx
    Hi,

    I wouldn't really suggest buying 5 .com's and building them up. You won't gain nothing from it and you'll spend all your time trying to give those sites authority.

    A typical Network, as we refer to on WF, is where we purchase expired domains or domains via auction that have authority already. We then use those to boost our money sites.

    I find expired PR2-PR7 domains and register them. Put them all on different C-Class IP's and use those to rank my sites. I currently have 80 of them, all PR2-PR7. I have never used a web 2.0, press release, blog comment or anything else. I can typically rank a site #1 from just 10-30 sites in my PBN. I pay an Indian to write the content for the PBN. It's extremely easy, but does require investment.

    All I will say is, build a network if you plan to scale and turn this into a long-term business. Building a network is not cheap, and it will require an investment, but the long-term potential for profits is immense.
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  • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
    THANK YOU Icematik!

    This is exactly what my competition is doing and I wasn't really understanding the significance of it all. But it makes perfect sense now. I am definitely trying to think long term here so the investment would be well worth it to me.

    This was one of my former competitors, but because we don't compete for the same keywords anymore I will post their site:

    NJ Basement Waterproofing Newark, Jersey City, Paterson, Toms River | Crawl Space & Foundation Repair in New Jersey | All Things Basementy! | NJ Umbrella Man

    When I use to analyze their backlinks, I would see that they were linking to EMDs that had tons of links pointing towards them. My #1 competitor in the niche I'm in now, is doing the same exact thing they are, and they both rank #1.

    This leads me to believe that private networks may be the most effective thing I can do. So today I will start hunting for highly relevant, aged, high pr domains. I'll buy up as many as possible and post tons of content if I'll help me get better rankings.

    Thanks again - Red
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    • Profile picture of the author Icematikx
      Originally Posted by RedShifted View Post

      THANK YOU Icematik!

      This is exactly what my competition is doing and I wasn't really understanding the significance of it all. But it makes perfect sense now. I am definitely trying to think long term here so the investment would be well worth it to me.

      This was one of my former competitors, but because we don't compete for the same keywords anymore I will post their site:

      NJ Basement Waterproofing Newark, Jersey City, Paterson, Toms River | Crawl Space & Foundation Repair in New Jersey | All Things Basementy! | NJ Umbrella Man

      When I use to analyze their backlinks, I would see that they were linking to EMDs that had tons of links pointing towards them. My #1 competitor in the niche I'm in now, is doing the same exact thing they are, and they both rank #1.

      This leads me to believe that private networks may be the most effective thing I can do. So today I will start hunting for highly relevant, aged, high pr domains. I'll buy up as many as possible and post tons of content if I'll help me get better rankings.

      Thanks again - Red
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  • Profile picture of the author kingleo101
    I don't think the social bookmarks hurt your website, a new website will generally bounce up and down in the rankings for the first month. Just do more research on what type of backlinks are actually going to be beneficial for your website and don't just add anything you come across.
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