Site deindexed

by Robaski 101 replies
Hi Warriors,

Last night my amazon affiliate site got deindexed from google. 50 pages of unique reviews and months of hard work down the drain. Seriously I am amazed by this event. And yes I did do a "site: " check... its not there anymore. Also there are 33 back links pointing at the website, so I would assume this isn't even enough volume to trigger a filter of some kind. Even if it did I would be indexed, but with loss of rankings. If I compare this to other sites I own it makes no sense whatsoever.

The strange thing is though, it would appear to me that a deindexed site does not maintain it's PR ( I did a check for deindexed sites and they have PR: n/a), and my deindexed site still maintains its PR.

So my question: Do deindexed sites maintain their PR? Could it be a mistake?
#search engine optimization #deindexed #site
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  • Profile picture of the author Aznich
    My Amazon site got deindexed too at the same time as you.

    Did get some backlinking done with a Fiverr gig recently, thinking that must be it.

    Was really starting to get some momentum too. Am shattered.

    Is it even possible to recover from this, or will I have to get a new domain and start again from scratch?
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    • Profile picture of the author Robaski
      Aznich, sorry to hear we are in the same situation.

      I am curious though: Did your site maintain it's Pagerank?
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  • Profile picture of the author Aznich
    I had no PR to speak of, Robaski, site was only 4 months old and I had done little off-page SEO.
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  • Profile picture of the author Aznich
    Robaski, were you using a particular script? Mine was a FSB store.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robaski
    I was using a plugin to write the reviews, I dont know if you would call that a script. Other than that I have used no scripts or seo plugins. The site was crispy clean. Especially compared to some of my other websites that are not so clean , I have never had a site deindexed like this. Im am completely puzzled.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robaski
    @Aznich: does your PR state n/a? Can you check this?
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  • Profile picture of the author Robaski
    I would recommend installing the firefox pr toolbar that comes with seobook. Its instant and loads with every page you open within your firefox browser. Very handy so you never have to look up PR again.
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  • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
    Is this wolfmmiiis strat?
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  • Profile picture of the author Robaski
    yes indeed GGPaul its exactly that strategy.
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    Sorry, can you explain this strategy?
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    • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
      Originally Posted by Aznich View Post

      Sorry, can you explain this strategy?
      It's basically going for low competition keywords. All content, no off-page SEO except pinging, and getting them indexed through socialADR or onlywire.
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  • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
    Woah, everything is wiped? How long have you had the site up? Did you create any backlinks?
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  • Profile picture of the author Robaski
    Yep all 37 pages with 500+ words of unique handwritten content. Been live since early October. Site has 33 back links (!). Site has PR3, and still after being deindexed the Toolbar PR is still visible. Weird... just plain weird.
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    • Profile picture of the author Robaski
      Ive just installed Google Webmaster Tools and submitted a sitemap. Ive also asked to have Google crawl the page. Im pretty sure it will not matter, but I need to stay positive and hope I'm wrong in thinking this site is ruined.
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    • Profile picture of the author neha12
      Originally Posted by Robaski View Post

      Yep all 37 pages with 500+ words of unique handwritten content. Been live since early October. Site has 33 back links (!). Site has PR3, and still after being deindexed the Toolbar PR is still visible. Weird... just plain weird.
      Are these back-links from irrelevant websites???
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  • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
    Give it a couple of days. I've heard others where it was gone for 10 days and it came back.
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  • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
    Is this just one site? Are you working on multiple sites? Right now I have 4. So far none of them are deindexed. But I'll keep you posted.
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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    Deindexed sites always show up as PR n/a, maybe Firefox needs some time to update it.

    Anyway I would just move the posts to a new domain and keep on adding again.

    Make sure that you don't use an excessive amount of affiliate links per page btw, that could be one of the reasons.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robaski
    @GGPaul: This is my third one and the first I made, with the most content on it. The other 2 are fine, but this one was just starting to do well.
    @Niko: Ok thats good to know about the PR. Will keep a close eye to see if the PR gets removed within the next few days. Regarding the affiliate links: 3 per article, that hardly seems excessive imo.
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  • Profile picture of the author masterpeez4py
    Hello friends, my site was also deindexed using the same strategy no backlinking right from the start. Unfortunately I just started building links 5days ago.

    I remember in december my site did the same thing and disappeared for 10days but came back. I was using a wordpress plugin that helps to place your keywords in meta tags i think its YOAST plugin or so, all I did was to uninstall the plugin and I came back in 10days.

    My site has over 200 pages and doing extremely well. I was deaf when ggpaul told me to create a new site and split my work in 3places but I planned to sell my site and instead decided to put more work on this site that got tanked so that i can sell it on flippa and outsource my writing job, because i am tired of writing.

    Well I did 1k plus in 3months and I would say it was worth my effort. And if it comes back then its great for me. Well with no delay am already moving the content to a new site. and i think i will split the content to two new domain at the same time.

    Will keep you posted
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    • Profile picture of the author advancedmile
      Originally Posted by masterpeez4py View Post

      Hello friends, my site was also deindexed using the same strategy no backlinking right from the start. Unfortunately I just started building links 5days ago.

      I remember in december my site did the same thing and disappeared for 10days but came back. I was using a wordpress plugin that helps to place your keywords in meta tags i think its YOAST plugin or so, all I did was to uninstall the plugin and I came back in 10days.

      My site has over 200 pages and doing extremely well. I was deaf when ggpaul told me to create a new site and split my work in 3places but I planned to sell my site and instead decided to put more work on this site that got tanked so that i can sell it on flippa and outsource my writing job, because i am tired of writing.

      Well I did 1k plus in 3months and I would say it was worth my effort. And if it comes back then its great for me. Well with no delay am already moving the content to a new site. and i think i will split the content to two new domain at the same time.

      Will keep you posted
      It is possible that your site is reported by competitor(famous site known for doing this to get rid of his competitors), if you are in the niche I think you are.
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  • Profile picture of the author tanshi
    PR updates are calculated for all websites at approximately a 3 month interval. Last PR update was on February 5th.
    If your website lost PR you will see that at the next PR update.
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  • Profile picture of the author jtuttlechiro
    Is Penguin coming?
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  • Profile picture of the author masterpeez4py
    Penguin is not coming @jtuttlechiro

    We are just talking of our amazon sites alone and am not sure others with adsense or other sites have the same issues if not this thread will be filled with lots of replies.
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  • Profile picture of the author ProSence
    Did you find the reason why your site is deindexed?

    One of my sites is also deindexed but it has pr1 now..
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  • Profile picture of the author Robaski
    I cant find any reason as why my site got deindexed, but I am sure that with 37 pages of content they can always find something wrong, every site has its flaws, no site is perfect. Still waiting to see if the toolbar PR turns grey and n/a within the next few days, so I know for certain its gone from the google index. If it happens to be deindexed for certain, I will then start by filling a reconsideration request to see what happens.
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  • Profile picture of the author masterpeez4py
    @ Robaski how can i file a reconsideration request because i did nothing wrong as well. But as you said from over 200pages of course something must have gone wrong somewhere. are you in the electronic niche?

    Because the last time this type of issue happened it was mostly those in the electronic niche that was affected. and as for my site the PR is showing n/a from PR0 for the homepage.
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  • Profile picture of the author karismasand
    1. Put your root url in Google - your site must appear first, if don't is penalized
    2. Put your metatitle of homepage in Google - your site must appear in first 3 pages is a text like this " My Money Keyord - Check this out!", if metatitle is only a keyword "My Money Keyword" use quote to make search. If the site don't appear at all is penalized.

    Remove all links that you put in the last week and make a reconsideration.
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  • Profile picture of the author MichelleN
    I may not know anything, but just thought I'd mention this. When I'm looking for expired domains, so many of them have great pr but no backlinks and may have even been deindexed and thats why they were left to expire. So, if this is the case, maybe domains hold their pr even if deindexed... ?
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  • Profile picture of the author Robaski
    @masterpeez4py: you need to install google webmaster tools, verify ownsership, then you can ask for google to have the site indexed with help of google webmaster tools.
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  • Profile picture of the author Emulators
    Keep us updated on if these sites come back or not and how soon.
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  • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
    Have you guys contacted wolfmmiii? He's been posting almost every day on the forum. Hopefully he sees this one.
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  • Profile picture of the author webby0031
    I have 6 amazon sites.

    6 months and we were getting around 10 -20 visits a day on each.

    Feb 4th they all dropped traffic to 0 - 2 visits a day.

    WebmasterTools shows impressions down from 800 a day to 5 a day on 18th Feb

    No warnings in webmaster tools. Still indexed using site: and appears first in a search if i create and index a unique page

    the two sites that were ranking for their key words dont rank for those keywords anymore.
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    • Profile picture of the author Emulators
      So you're saying that you are still ranked #1 but not getting any traffic???
      Originally Posted by webby0031 View Post

      I have 6 amazon sites.

      6 months and we were getting around 10 -20 visits a day on each.

      Feb 4th they all dropped traffic to 0 - 2 visits a day.

      WebmasterTools shows impressions down from 800 a day to 5.

      No warnings in webmaster tools. Still indexed using site: and appears first in a search of "my 3word keyword"

      the two sites that were ranking for their key words dont rank for those keywords anymore.
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      • Profile picture of the author webby0031
        Originally Posted by Emulators View Post

        So you're saying that you are still ranked #1 but not getting any traffic???
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        No i am saying if I produce a page with a unique meta title I can index in first position thus proving it not an indexing problem
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
    Check both www & non-www when doing the site: search, I've seen different results on sites before.

    Also double check your live web page HTML source code for the keyword noindex, you wouldn't believe how many times I've had people ask why their page/site is deindexed, I look at the source code & the webmaster accidentally deindexed their site/blog with a noindex tag (SEO plugin, WP Admin. setting).
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  • Profile picture of the author Robaski
    Thanks for the tips Yukon, unfortunately no luck.

    Since I opened Google Webmaster Tools yesterday, I see the sitemap has been submitted successfully and 2/3 of the sitemap is indexed.

    When I check the site's health it does not show any indexed urls.

    Website still maintains its PR
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  • Profile picture of the author masterpeez4py
    @ Rosbaski, is your site in the electronic category? In december when this type of situation happened it mostly affected those in the electronic niche. And i came back in 10days without reconsideration request, i have sent a reconsideration request and i hope i will get a positive reply. i will keep you all posted
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  • Profile picture of the author Robaski
    @masterpeez4py: yes in the electronics niche. Good luck with the reconsideration, hope it helps you out!
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  • Profile picture of the author masterpeez4py
    Hello, i just got this message from google webmaster

    Dear site owner or webmaster of http://
    We've detected that some of your site's pages may be using techniques that are outside Google's Webmaster Guidelines. If you have any questions about how to resolve this issue, please see our Webmaster Help Forum for support.
    Sincerely,
    Google Search Quality Team


    I wish i know exactly what they are talking about because i have read the guidelines and i cant see where i am wrong.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by masterpeez4py View Post

      Hello, i just got this message from google webmaster

      Dear site owner or webmaster of http://
      We've detected that some of your site's pages may be using techniques that are outside Google's Webmaster Guidelines. If you have any questions about how to resolve this issue, please see our Webmaster Help Forum for support.
      Sincerely,
      Google Search Quality Team


      I wish i know exactly what they are talking about because i have read the guidelines and i cant see where i am wrong.
      Cloaking affiliate links is also seen as a malpractice so could be one of the reasons as well. Besides that I wouldn't use a fixed amount of affiliate links on each page. Mix it up and throw up posts without any affiliate links or just 1, what also can help to increase the authority of your site is turning it into a price comparison thing so that it adds some extra value to your visitors. Price comparison sites have always done pretty well and they still do. Look at Nextag or Sears for example (not sure if the last is comparison but you get my point).
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      • Profile picture of the author codecreative
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        Cloaking affiliate links is also seen as a malpractice so could be one of the reasons as well. Besides that I wouldn't use a fixed amount of affiliate links on each page. Mix it up and throw up posts without any affiliate links or just 1, what also can help to increase the authority of your site is turning it into a price comparison thing so that it adds some extra value to your visitors. Price comparison sites have always done pretty well and they still do. Look at Nextag or Sears for example (not sure if the last is comparison but you get my point).
        hi nik0

        long time and that, what off the shelf software/plugin gives you price comparison ability?

        I'm considering knocking up an amazon site soon.
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        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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          Originally Posted by codecreative View Post

          hi nik0

          long time and that, what off the shelf software/plugin gives you price comparison ability?

          I'm considering knocking up an amazon site soon.
          No idea but a good client of mine builds his site that way and we always get exceptionally good results.

          Where you nromally have to limit your amount of affiliate links to prevent poor rankings he has like 12 affiliate links to 12 different companies that offer the product and it always works out great. I think he build something custom him self or maybe he just does it manually as he doesn't have too many sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    Something that is also not really helping you guys is that you spam every single page with crappy bookmarks through that plugin, so you can say, NO I AM NOT BUILDING LINKS, but in fact you are, and one of the lowest quality's that are available online.
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  • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
    I just go to cnet.com and take notes from how they handle their reviews.

    I stopped using onlywire and any of that social bookmarking stuff COMPLETELY. I might even stop pinging who knows.
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    • Profile picture of the author DynoMutt
      Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

      I just go to cnet.com and take notes from how they handle their reviews.

      I stopped using onlywire and any of that social bookmarking stuff COMPLETELY. I might even stop pinging who knows.
      I used wolf's strategy too, but I never did any bookmarking or pinging.

      The posts get indexed soon enough. It's not as if they take weeks to do so without bookmarking and pinging.
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      • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
        Originally Posted by DynoMutt View Post

        I used wolf's strategy too, but I never did any bookmarking or pinging.

        The posts get indexed soon enough. It's not as if they take weeks to do so without bookmarking and pinging.
        Are you still using his strat and having some success?
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        • Profile picture of the author whitworldwide
          Seriously, my heart goes out to the guys who have lost their sites...

          I was using Social Adr for bookmarking, but have just deleted all my running bookmarks. I'm not sure how much they were helping me anyway. I'd rather just not use them if it's potentially going to destroy my site.

          Been reading a few ports on affiliate links. Is there a guideline on how this should be done and how often? I've pointed out as per what is recommended on my SEO plugin (Yoast).

          I see the recommendations for setting up a new domain and copying the posts over. Does that actually work?
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  • Profile picture of the author Lanx
    pr stays with a site even if deindexed until the next pr update

    if you think your content is good, zip it all up, backupbuddy, whatever and put it on a new domain, consider your old site a lost, imo reconsideration is junk and a joke, why bother. your gonna spend more time trying to "fix" a problem that will never be fixed cuz google see's that your site is doing seo, and google doesn't like seo no matter the color of the hat.
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  • Profile picture of the author masterpeez4py
    Am already moving my content to a new domain, and i hope everything goes fine with that one.On the other hand a outsourcing my write ups with my first amazon payment because on google group they said my site looked like a spun article directory.

    Articles i took time to write was refered to as spun, well i admitted and this time i might use 3 affiliate links instead of 4. i just hope nothing bad happens again as i try to standup on my feet.

    Thank you all for your advice
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    • Profile picture of the author advancedmile
      Originally Posted by masterpeez4py View Post

      Am already moving my content to a new domain, and i hope everything goes fine with that one.On the other hand a outsourcing my write ups with my first amazon payment because on google group they said my site looked like a spun article directory.

      Articles i took time to write was refereed to as spun, well i admitted and this time i might use 3 affiliate links instead of 4. i just hope nothing bad happens again as i try to standup on my feet.

      Thank you all for your advice
      Site of mine got deindexed as well, and it also has almost no links.

      Did you write all the articles yourself?
      Did you add stock content from Amazon - product descriptions.
      How many affiliate links?
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    • Profile picture of the author boaty
      Originally Posted by masterpeez4py View Post

      Am already moving my content to a new domain, and i hope everything goes fine with that one.On the other hand a outsourcing my write ups with my first amazon payment because on google group they said my site looked like a spun article directory.

      Articles i took time to write was refered to as spun, well i admitted and this time i might use 3 affiliate links instead of 4. i just hope nothing bad happens again as i try to standup on my feet.

      Thank you all for your advice
      If you have spun your content in any way you are just wasting your time. Even if you rewrite the sentences yourself. Everyone should know this after the latest google updates.
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      • Profile picture of the author masterpeez4py
        Originally Posted by boaty View Post

        If you have spun your content in any way you are just wasting your time. Even if you rewrite the sentences yourself. Everyone should know this after the latest google updates.
        My articles are not spun, i took my time to write them. i think after posting into another wp site it was not doing me any good.
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        • Profile picture of the author advancedmile
          Originally Posted by masterpeez4py View Post

          My articles are not spun, i took my time to write them. i think after posting into another wp site it was not doing me any good.
          Hello,
          Did you transfer the articles to another domain and got them rank?
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          • Profile picture of the author masterpeez4py
            Originally Posted by advancedmile View Post

            Hello,
            Did you transfer the articles to another domain and got them rank?
            After moving content i noticed i was not ranking after posting over 20-30 reviews on the new site. i think its already known as a copied article. i need to start afresh to make things work by writing new articles.
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            • Profile picture of the author advancedmile
              Originally Posted by masterpeez4py View Post

              After moving content i noticed i was not ranking after posting over 20-30 reviews on the new site. i think its already known as a copied article. i need to start afresh to make things work by writing new articles.
              You won't rank until Google indexes more than 300 posts or at least notes that you sites has more than 300 posts.
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              • Profile picture of the author dreamtoreality
                Originally Posted by advancedmile View Post

                You won't rank until Google indexes more than 300 posts or at least notes that you sites has more than 300 posts.
                Can't tell if you're taking the piss or not. I hope you are.
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                • Profile picture of the author advancedmile
                  Originally Posted by dreamtoreality View Post

                  Can't tell if you're taking the piss or not. I hope you are.
                  I am not. I am actually pretty sure his site was over 500 pages. Sites usually start getting good traffic once more than 300 pages of theirs are indexed if they do not have backlinks.

                  Of course if you build links you do not need that many pages on you site in order to start being perceived as an authority site.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Icematikx
                    Originally Posted by advancedmile View Post

                    I am not. I am actually pretty sure his site was over 500 pages. Sites usually start getting good traffic once more than 300 pages of theirs are indexed if they do not have backlinks.

                    Of course if you build links you do not need that many pages on you site in order to start being perceived as an authority site.
                    Are you serious? One of my amazon sites has TWO posts and it ranks #1 for 4,400 exact. Ha.
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                    • Profile picture of the author advancedmile
                      Originally Posted by Icematikx View Post

                      Are you serious? One of my amazon sites has TWO posts and it ranks #1 for 4,400 exact. Ha.
                      Is your domain an EMD?
                      Do you have links?
                      What is competition like?

                      With 300+ posts ranking keywords with 5K-10K intitle competion is breeze.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Icematikx
                        Originally Posted by advancedmile View Post

                        I have an EMD ranks for 10K without links.

                        Is your domain EMD?
                        Do you have links?
                        What is competition like?

                        With 300+ posts ranking keyword with 5K-10K intitle competion is breeze.
                        Competitions extremely tough. It's a commercial product (I'm beating the official site & the amazon product page). Sure, I have links from my PBN.
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                        • Profile picture of the author advancedmile
                          Originally Posted by Icematikx View Post

                          Competitions extremely tough. It's a commercial product (I'm beating the official site & the amazon product page). Sure, I have links from my PBN.
                          Congratulations!!

                          Are these articles long and detailed (1500+ words) as articles that write Paula from only-cookware.com?

                          I tried the method but didn't see much increase in rankings.
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                          • Profile picture of the author Icematikx
                            Originally Posted by advancedmile View Post

                            Congratulations!!

                            Are these articles long and detailed (1500+ words) as articles that write Paula from only-cookware.com?

                            I tried the method but didn't see much increase in rankings.
                            I don't follow any "methods" or "programs". I've developed my own way of doing things. My reviews are 600-800 words with a specific format.
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                            • Profile picture of the author Fergster21
                              Well I can vouch for the WMT Theory. I added it to a 12 year old domain last week and 3 days later site deindexed with the same message as OP

                              I am using Coolice's Hardware clone amazon script, so its also in the electronics niche
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                                Originally Posted by Fergster21 View Post

                                Well I can vouch for the WMT Theory. I added it to a 12 year old domain last week and 3 days later site deindexed with the same message as OP

                                I am using Coolice's Hardware clone amazon script, so its also in the electronics niche
                                It happens all the time.
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            • Profile picture of the author advancedmile
              Originally Posted by masterpeez4py View Post

              After moving content i noticed i was not ranking after posting over 20-30 reviews on the new site. i think its already known as a copied article. i need to start afresh to make things work by writing new articles.
              I just noticed that the owner of a site which was deindexed 2 days ago bought new domain and redirected old (deindexed) domain to the new one Today his rankings are all back. It is a good thing to know for the next time it happens.

              Edit: It isn't a simple redirect but probably some kind of cloaking.
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  • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
    Yo Master, I got your message. I don't even do social bookmarking. They just get indexed over time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robaski
    Got the same message:

    Dear site owner or webmaster of http://
    We've detected that some of your site's pages may be using techniques that are outside Google's Webmaster Guidelines. If you have any questions about how to resolve this issue, please see our Webmaster Help Forum for support.
    Sincerely,
    Google Search Quality Team

    I guess its time to say goodbye to my website.
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    • Profile picture of the author advancedmile
      Originally Posted by Robaski View Post

      Got the same message:

      Dear site owner or webmaster of http://
      We've detected that some of your site's pages may be using techniques that are outside Google's Webmaster Guidelines. If you have any questions about how to resolve this issue, please see our Webmaster Help Forum for support.
      Sincerely,
      Google Search Quality Team

      I guess its time to say goodbye to my website.
      The same has happened to me just a day after your site so I am pretty sure it is an algorithmic penalty, so it is easier to take care of but first we need to find the common element that our sites have.

      My site:
      1) 10% of my content are duplicate content = product descriptions
      2) 10-20 affiliate links per page (multiple versions of each product)
      3) Quite long affiliate links, cloaked with wp-no external links
      4) A small number - just few PR3-5 dofollows to get indexed, GSA tier 2,3,4

      The same has happened to me just a day after your sites and I guess.
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  • Profile picture of the author ShivJaiswaL
    Originally Posted by Robaski View Post

    Hi Warriors,

    Last night my amazon affiliate site got deindexed from google. 50 pages of unique reviews and months of hard work down the drain. Seriously I am amazed by this event. And yes I did do a "site: " check... its not there anymore. Also there are 33 back links pointing at the website, so I would assume this isn't even enough volume to trigger a filter of some kind. Even if it did I would be indexed, but with loss of rankings. If I compare this to other sites I own it makes no sense whatsoever.

    The strange thing is though, it would appear to me that a deindexed site does not maintain it's PR ( I did a check for deindexed sites and they have PR: n/a), and
    go and check Google webmaster tool for further instructions. I think you need to submit website for reconsideration.
    here is the link
    Reconsideration requests - Webmaster Tools Help



    Originally Posted by Robaski View Post

    my deindexed site still maintains its PR.
    So my question: Do deindexed sites maintain their PR? Could it be a mistake?
    you can see the deindexed website PR upto 30 days only...then after pr=(n/a)

    thanks
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    what plugin was they using that got them burnt!?
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    How do you check your site? How do you know your site got deindexed?
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      I think it has most to do with the way that you guys are cloaking your links. There are many ways to do it but Google has already said that they see it as a malpractice but I know some people get away with it so perhaps you have to cloak in a different way or quit doing it completely (which is imo best).
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      • Profile picture of the author advancedmile
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        I think it has most to do with the way that you guys are cloaking your links. There are many ways to do it but Google has already said that they see it as a malpractice but I know some people get away with it so perhaps you have to cloak in a different way or quit doing it completely (which is imo best).
        Clocking link is malpractice? Actually everyone is doing it as far as i know, but what's you advice. Not to cloak links?
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        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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          Originally Posted by advancedmile View Post

          Clocking link is malpractice? Actually everyone is doing it as far as i know, but what's you advice. Not to cloak links?
          Yeah why would you cloak links, unless it's for tracking purposes there is not a single reason why you should do it.
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          • Profile picture of the author kevlah
            One of my Amazon sites go deindexed just before Christmas with the same vague message in webmaster tools as some of you guys have received.

            I was quite surprised as I didn't feel the site was doing anything that could warrant it being deindexed, so sent a reconsideration request without much thought just saying something along the lines of "There's nothing wrong with my site, reindex me please" which of course was duly rejected after a couple of days.

            So I went ahead and changed the site up with a new WP theme, and eradicated anything about the design/layout that could even be slightly perceived as spammy (I didn't delete any of my posts). I also added a new post that was an article about the niche without any sales intent.

            After making the changes I sent this reconsideration request -

            Dear Sir/Madam,

            Following the response the my previous reconsideration request, which stated that "that some or all of your pages still violate our quality guidelines", the following changes have been made to ***URL*** in order to bring it in line with Google's quality guidelines -

            1. All external links on the site (including any affiliate links) are now "nofollow", and open in a new tab/window.

            2. Reduced the number of affiliate links on any pages that make use of them, and there are no affiliate links at all (in the sidebar, etc) on the homepage, or any other page where they are not relevant to the content.

            3. Rewritten to sites privacy policy for extra clarity (I think the original was OK, but the new one is more detailed).

            4. Added an affiliate disclaimer to every page (in the sidebar) which is clear and hard to miss.

            5. Redesigned the site layout to improve navigation for the user, which includes easy to find links to the privacy, about and contact pages, and the addition of fresh content that has no commercial intent.

            6. I had a look at the sites backlink profile. Whilst the number of backlinks pointing towards ***URL*** is low (only 31 links according to Webmaster Tools and mostly from reputable sources), I have found and removed links and content that was linking to the site at following URLs -

            ***List of about a dozen spammy backlinks from article directories***

            When the site was intially launched (August 2012) I used an SEO service to make some social bookmarks to the site (Digg, Stumbleupon,etc) to help get site get indexed initially. It's possible, although doubtful that this is related to the creation of the above links that have been removed. The ***URL*** domain has also been registered to other people in the past (I purchased the domain in August 2012).

            I believe the site is now fully compliant with Google's quality guidelines, if there is anything I can do to assist you with this request, or further changes that are required please let me know.

            If you feel that the site still doesn't comply with Google's quality guidelines I would be grateful if you could specify what issues remain.

            Thank you.
            After a couple of days the site was reindexed and I received the following message in WMT -

            Dear site owner or webmaster of ***URL***,

            We received a request from a site owner to reconsider ***URL*** for compliance with Google's Webmaster Guidelines.

            Previously the webspam team had taken manual action on your site because we believed it violated our quality guidelines. After reviewing your reconsideration request, we have revoked this manual action. It may take some time before our indexing and ranking systems are updated to reflect the new status of your site.

            Of course, there may be other issues with your site that could affect its ranking without a manual action by the webspam team. Google's computers determine the order of our search results using a series of formulas known as algorithms. We make hundreds of changes to our search algorithms each year, and we employ more than 200 different signals when ranking pages. As our algorithms change and as the web (including your site) changes, some fluctuation in ranking can happen as we make updates to present the best results to our users. If your site continues to have trouble in our search results, please see this article for help with diagnosing the issue.

            Thank you for helping us to maintain the quality of our search results.

            Sincerely,

            Google Search Quality Team
            So yeah, every case is different, but it's not impossible to get your site back if you put a bit of effort into rectifying any possible problems (whether you deem them to be an issue or not) and making a good case with your reconsideration request.
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            • Profile picture of the author nik0
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              Quick additional message about affiliate link cloaking:

              The leaked Google document for manual reviewers stated that if a visitor clicks on a link and expects to stay on the same site but ends up on a different site then that is seen as a way to mislead people and it was indicated as cloaking.

              So even if you use cloaking for tracking purposes then the manual reviewers can take it very literally and flag the site and thus you get deindexed or whatever. A way to retrieve the site can be to file for reinclusion indeed.

              That's why I say: Just do not cloak your links to be safe.
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              • Profile picture of the author advancedmile
                Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                Quick additional message about affiliate link cloaking:

                The leaked Google document for manual reviewers stated that if a visitor clicks on a link and expects to stay on the same site but ends up on a different site then that is seen as a way to mislead people and it was indicated as cloaking.

                So even if you use cloaking for tracking purposes then the manual reviewers can take it very literally and flag the site and thus you get deindexed or whatever. A way to retrieve the site can be to file for reinclusion indeed.

                That's why I say: Just do not cloak your links to be safe.
                So why Google doesn't deindex yahoo shopping, pricegrabber, nextag and every other affiliate site? As they cloak their affiliate links.

                Why Google doesn't deindex youtube, if you put link in description. It is misleading.
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                • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                  Originally Posted by advancedmile View Post

                  So why Google doesn't deindex yahoo shopping, pricegrabber, nextag and every other affiliate site? As they cloak their affiliate links.

                  Why Google doesn't deindex youtube, if you put link in description. It is misleading.
                  You really want to compare the sites the people build here to mega authority sites like the ones you mentioned?

                  It's not "only" about cloaking, it's also about the total impression that people get. Nextag and Price grabber are comparison sites btw so they offer value in that way.
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                  • Profile picture of the author advancedmile
                    Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                    You really want to compare the sites the people build here to mega authority sites like the ones you mentioned?

                    It's not "only" about cloaking, it's also about the total impression that people get. Nextag and Price grabber are comparison sites btw so they offer value in that way.
                    Yes but they mislead people as well. And who says my site doesn't offer value in another way. It does. Sites like Nextag and Pricegrabber doesn't offer anything except price comparison (I offer this as well). The product description are blatantly copied from real stores. They also show ads above the fold. All of that is a violation of google guidelines, so I really think they should be deindexed.

                    However they aren't so cloaking is probably not as bad as you say.
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                    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                      Originally Posted by advancedmile View Post

                      Yes but they mislead people as well. And who says my site doesn't offer value in another way. It does. Sites like Nextag and Pricegrabber doesn't offer anything except price comparison (I offer this as well). The product description are blatantly copied from real stores. They also show ads above the fold. All of that is a violation of google guidelines, so I really think they should be deindexed.

                      However they aren't so cloaking is probably not as bad as you say.
                      You are missing the whole point of what I'm trying to say while I explained it in pretty much detail.

                      I try it one more time in a very easy to understand way: A penalty for cloaking is a manual action and is only done in combination with a small/crappy internet marketer site like yours for example, or actually like 99% of the IM'ers sites so don't feel offended personally.

                      Now if a Google employee see's Nextag or Sears, do you think they would also see it as some thin crappy site?
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                      • Profile picture of the author advancedmile
                        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                        You are missing the whole point of what I'm trying to say while I explained it in pretty much detail.

                        I try it one more time in a very easy to understand way: A penalty for cloaking is a manual action and is only done in combination with a small/crappy internet marketer site like yours for example, or actually like 99% of the IM'ers sites so don't feel offended personally.

                        Now if a Google employee see's Nextag or Sears, do you think they would also see it as some thin crappy site?
                        I definitely get what are you trying to say, but in reality Nextag and Sears are thin affiliate sites. My sites have lots of good article and they are much more useful for users than such shopping compassion sites. And then my high quality sites should be deindexed while crap stays in index.
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                        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                          Originally Posted by advancedmile View Post

                          I definitely get what are you trying to say, but in reality Nextag and Sears are thin affiliate sites. My sites have lots of good article and they are much more useful for users than such shopping compassion sites. And then my high quality sites should be deindexed while crap stays in index.
                          Don't fool yourself by beleiving that you build high quality sites.
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                          • Profile picture of the author advancedmile
                            Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                            Don't fool yourself by beleiving that you build high quality sites.
                            Even if I didn't believe that I build high-quality sites, my visitors would. They get much more relevant and useful information on my site than on big Affiliate sites like Sears.

                            I'm pretty sure you believe that Google doesn't penalize quality sites and that Google is always right. I suggest you 1st to check out websites Google penalize and then get back to me and say something like this again.

                            In my opinion Google ban affiliate sites practically all affiliate sites if they don't like them, not because they are not quality sites, but because Google wants to be the biggest affiliate ever and there are probably even more reasons why Google doesn't like affiliate sites.
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                            • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                              Originally Posted by advancedmile View Post

                              Even if I didn't believe that I build high-quality sites, my visitors would. They get much more relevant and useful information on my site than on big Affiliate sites like Sears.

                              I'm pretty sure you believe that Google doesn't penalize quality sites and that Google is always right. I suggest you 1st to check out websites Google penalize and then get back to me and say something like this again.

                              In my opinion Google ban affiliate sites practically all affiliate sites if they don't like them, not because they are not quality sites, but because Google wants to be the biggest affiliate ever and there are probably even more reasons why Google doesn't like affiliate sites.
                              I sell SEO services so I have tons of sample sites to study and I never said that Google never penalizes a quality site. I've seen some perfectly legit, high quality sites, (non-affiliate) that just didn't move.

                              But at the same time I speak with tons of clients that are dead proud of their crappy thin affiliate site so when someone says that there site is high quality cause it answers the questions of their visitors then I am like "Yeah whatever", and then when I visit their site I see some real crappy MFA type of thing. Quality is not only about content.
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                              • Profile picture of the author viantea
                                Be careful with the way you use or put Google's codes (webmaster tool codes) into your website. You don't have to agree with me. I lost 62 websites overnight. All websites from one Google webmaster tool account. 20% of these websites were clean, ezine articles backlinks, well written articles and 100% clean and complete white hat.They were wiped out along others because they were in the same account. Someone in the past, here in warrior or so had made this comment before.I am a victim of Google de-indexing and it happened all the time in the past , at least one or two in a week, so i know what I am talking about.

                                I know you can be de-indexed without the tool, but it makes it easy for them to build a record/history of your website before the bot finally strike, and remember, their so-called spider make mistake all the time. At times, they do manual de-indexing if you are ranking so high on a more of competitive keywords


                                If your website is de-registered, the truth is ,start afresh. Their site submission reconsideration service does not work, all you get is an automated response with the same message even though you submit a brand new domain to them.

                                In most cases, when your sit is de-indexed, you tend to also loose ranking in bing and yahoo.Be careful with Google webmaster tool codes

                                I am not an SEO expert but I have been in this game for some yrs, and I have carefully been studying Google anti-affiliate attitude.

                                Who will break Google monopoly? Bing or Yahoo , or perhaps Facebook
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                                • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
                                  Originally Posted by viantea View Post

                                  Be careful with the way you use or put Google's codes (webmaster tool codes) into your website. You don't have to agree with me. I lost 62 websites overnight. All websites from one Google webmaster tool account. 20% of these websites were clean, ezine articles backlinks, well written articles and 100% clean and complete white hat.They were wiped out along others because they were in the same account. Someone in the past, here in warrior or so had made this comment before.I am a victim of Google de-indexing and it happened all the time in the past , at least one or two in a week, so i know what I am talking about.

                                  I know you can be de-indexed without the tool, but it makes it easy for them to build a record/history of your website before the bot finally strike, and remember, their so-called spider make mistake all the time. At times, they do manual de-indexing if you are ranking so high on a more of competitive keywords


                                  If your website is de-registered, the truth is ,start afresh. Their site submission reconsideration service does not work, all you get is an automated response with the same message even though you submit a brand new domain to them.

                                  In most cases, when your sit is de-indexed, you tend to also loose ranking in bing and yahoo.Be careful with Google webmaster tool codes

                                  I am not an SEO expert but I have been in this game for some yrs, and I have carefully been studying Google anti-affiliate attitude.

                                  Who will break Google monopoly? Bing or Yahoo , or perhaps Facebook
                                  I've been warning people about this since I started posting here. Leave the GWT code off your websites. It serves no advantage and can only lead to heartache.
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                              • Profile picture of the author advancedmile
                                Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                                I sell SEO services so I have tons of sample sites to study and I never said that Google never penalizes a quality site. I've seen some perfectly legit, high quality sites, (non-affiliate) that just didn't move.

                                But at the same time I speak with tons of clients that are dead proud of their crappy thin affiliate site so when someone says that there site is high quality cause it answers the questions of their visitors then I am like "Yeah whatever", and then when I visit their site I see some real crappy MFA type of thing. Quality is not only about content.
                                I know everyone thinks their site is the best. Yes some aren't and few are.

                                I have seen lots of example of sites that have been penalised by Google so I know there are some really good ones.

                                Design content and call to action as well as content on my site are ok and they all meet usability criteria suggested at Discover Which Marketing Programs Really Work.
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                        • Profile picture of the author viantea
                          Originally Posted by advancedmile View Post

                          I definitely get what are you trying to say, but in reality Nextag and Sears are thin affiliate sites. My sites have lots of good article and they are much more useful for users than such shopping compassion sites. And then my high quality sites should be deindexed while crap stays in index.
                          I quiet agree with you . I have ran loads of affiliate sites simultaneously before and I can state that Google appears to be anti-small affiliate sites. Price comparison websites are practically the same; they grab contents from the sources sites, put all together and referred them to their affiliates.Price grabber, etc are not different from small affiliate. .It is a shame that Google will continue because the search business is monopolistic.

                          The issue of copied or duplicate contents is a myth, there is nothing like that, and I am surprised people who claimed to be SEO experts use it to scare and deceive people. Perhaps to sell products. Millions of website copy contents from one another- news website is a clear example- The matrix Google use is how long people stay on your website, or what they called the bounce rate. That is why news website can rank and get high ranking. I have a 6 yrs old website that is page rank 5, all duplicate contents ,never written one articles on it , but a news website.


                          The bottom point is that Google is anti-small-affiliate , and you might think you are on top, suddenly you will disappear from google search. Maybe google wants us to use PPC
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
      Originally Posted by kokjaywin View Post

      How do you check your site? How do you know your site got deindexed?
      Sitewide check:
      site:www.warriorforum.com
      Single web page check:
      site:www.warriorforum.com/adsense-ppc-seo-discussion-forum/756307-site-deindexed.html
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    I guess it could be mastikae
    Check if you have uploaded any multiple duplicate files in your cpanle.
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  • Profile picture of the author sanusense
    Your not the only one who are suffering from this thing, I have been suffered a lot from this and still not able to get my search engine rankings back, but my site PR is still maintain , It's PR2 now.
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  • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
    Luckily, my sites aren't deindexed.

    However, I must say that I am moving on and adding my own stuff. Wolfmmiii provided a simple strategy that does work. But I think adding a little of your own flavor can help you take internet marketing/amazon affiliate to the next level.

    I really need to start a blog/site soon to keep you guys updated.

    Couple things - one of my site lost a lot of rankings but yet it still gets "ok" traffic. Another site on the other hand, is increasing a lot of traffic but not making as much sales. And then this other site (fashion), is reaching top 5 rankings but not making any traffic whatsoever.

    I also have three other sites that I'm working on that I'm using a different theme than the one wolf has.

    I completely stopped using any type of social bookmarking. My posts end up being indexed and ranked over time.

    I have tried backlinking with one of my sites, and they helped just a tad. Other than that, these are low competition keywords, where I just feel like it's nothing but posting constantly.
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  • Profile picture of the author advancedmile
    What do you mean by spun content?
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  • Profile picture of the author danielph
    Maybe you have some backlinks strange from bad xx websites, becouse with only one xx backlink i have lost all my position. So be careaful with this
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  • Profile picture of the author Icematikx
    What you people don't understand is that you're using an overly sold method of effectively spamming the SERPs with crap. Wolfmmii has sold this course to god knows how many people. I highly doubt he even uses it himself anymore because it's that saturated.

    It's plain and simple. You people might be writing high-quality content and building natural whitehat links, but the majority of people who bought his "course" will be spinning content, copy/pasting and so forth. The majority of people leaving a footprint will be spamming the SERPs with crap.

    When you use an overly saturated system, it's only natural that you're all going to crumble at the same time. There may be something wrong with the theme, the plugins, who knows.

    What you inevitably need to learn is that, you're never going to become successful until you start developing your own unique strategies and systems.

    Some of my Amazon sites have retained #1 positions for over 12-months, and there not going anywhere. They bring me a consistent monthly income of 5-figures between them, and I just keep building more each month. Nobody knows my review template, nobody knows my link building efforts, nobody knows anything about what I do, and it will stay that way.

    I can package up my "method" and sell it for $29.99 same as wolffii, but it'll destroy my income within a few months and leave me the most hated man alive once Google target my strategy.

    Seriously people, develop your own working methods and don't tell a soul.
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    • Profile picture of the author dreamtoreality
      Originally Posted by Icematikx View Post

      What you people don't understand is that you're using an overly sold method of effectively spamming the SERPs with crap. Wolfmmii has sold this course to god knows how many people. I highly doubt he even uses it himself anymore because it's that saturated.

      It's plain and simple. You people might be writing high-quality content and building natural whitehat links, but the majority of people who bought his "course" will be spinning content, copy/pasting and so forth. The majority of people leaving a footprint will be spamming the SERPs with crap.

      When you use an overly saturated system, it's only natural that you're all going to crumble at the same time. There may be something wrong with the theme, the plugins, who knows.

      What you inevitably need to learn is that, you're never going to become successful until you start developing your own unique strategies and systems.

      Some of my Amazon sites have retained #1 positions for over 12-months, and there not going anywhere. They bring me a consistent monthly income of 5-figures between them, and I just keep building more each month. Nobody knows my review template, nobody knows my link building efforts, nobody knows anything about what I do, and it will stay that way.

      I can package up my "method" and sell it for $29.99 same as wolffii, but it'll destroy my income within a few months and leave me the most hated man alive once Google target my strategy.

      Seriously people, develop your own working methods and don't tell a soul.
      I'm glad someone said it. Even earlier today when I was looking at the competition for a product I wanted to review, I saw a few sites that looked exactly the same (Wolfmii's strategy) - i.e. same wording, same way of writing reviews, images in the same place, same theme, and so on.

      What you inevitably need to learn is that, you're never going to become successful until you start developing your own unique strategies and systems.

      I love this bit. The best strategy is always your own strategy. You might utilize a strategy while you're new to the game, but then you want to adjust it accordingly. This makes it unique and you won't find cookie-cutter looking sites. As soon as I created my own way of writing reviews, building links etc, my income skyrocketed.

      I can package up my "method" and sell it for $29.99 same as wolffii, but it'll destroy my income within a few months and leave me the most hated man alive once Google target my strategy.

      Exactly this. I don't know if Wolfmii has outlined his exact strategy, but I would very much doubt it. You would have to be crazy to give away your strategy and jeopardize your whole business all to make a few thousand dollars. An amount that many Amazon sites make in a month. This is just one of the many reasons why I think the majority of WSOs are crap.

      Hope this doesn't fall on deaf ears, but I'm almost certain that it will.
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  • Profile picture of the author harry123
    yes it can come back later.
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    May just be the google dance, give it time.
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  • Profile picture of the author ShivJaiswaL

    bad news, now you have only one choice to submit website for reconsideration.

    De-indexed websites generally maintain PR upto 30 days, then after n/a.
    also check your outbound links and make all of them nofollow. If every thing goes fine, you will see your website back in google within 30 day.
    Its my personal experience...... stay calm n keep patience.
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