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After so many panda updates, google down the ranks of too many websites and now the SEO work is almost looks too hard. Too many changes done in past few month by google in their Search Engines. Every day we need a new trick to survive businesses. So please guide me, either SEO is still a good field to choose or its dead now??

i want to dig in it but not sure what to do, currently iam Asp.net developer (at beginner level)
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  • Profile picture of the author visimedia
    no it's not dead. Backlinking still counts, google page 1 is still doable, just the formula has changed a bit and all people can still do it on regular basis. =) Just do it, take some SEO course might help you out.
    But I think in WF, there are a lot of free info about SEO that's up to date and very doable. The best part, they're free.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Originally Posted by zubair56 View Post

    After so many panda updates, google down the ranks of too many websites and now the SEO work is almost looks too hard. Too many changes done in past few month by google in their Search Engines. Every day we need a new trick to survive businesses. So please guide me, either SEO is still a good field to choose or its dead now??

    i want to dig in it but not sure what to do, currently iam Asp.net developer (at beginner level)

    SEO isn't dead but it's not exactly easy starting out.

    You do have an advantage over a lot of SEOs If you know HTML, that might sound strange but a lot people selling SEO only know how to build links. Knowing how to reverse engineer competition web pages is useful for SEO, example comparing the competitions live web page to Google Cache (text version) to see which on-page links Google is following (ex: javascript links not showing on the cache (text version) where links matter).

    SEO is 99% hands on learning, reading forums & blogs should be taken lightly, there's a lot of bad info. and outdated techniques (ex: forum links). Dig into high ranking pages for tough keywords, doesn't have to be the same niche your targeting, reverse engineer what the top ranking sites are doing. The core of SEO is links + text but everything isn't equal, especially links.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Sutanto
    nope... seo isn't dead... you need think out of the box. Remember SEO always change...
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  • Profile picture of the author Scotty Bee
    Many have given up on SEO after goggles updates, BUT, yes you can still rank. Like Yukon says, its just the formula thats changed and a lot of the oldies will give up and not learn the new stuff
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  • Profile picture of the author lavathemes
    I dont think Seo is dead, I am still doing it for my clients and got 10 keywords in just 2 month on first page of google.
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  • Zubair,

    The practice of optimizing a website did not die but what is dyeing are the spammy tactics and “gaming” of the system that have plagued search for years. While others may not agree, it seems that the playing field has been leveled for those actually interested in producing a quality experience online. Those whose primary objective was to drive eyeballs to a site in order to monetize it have to work much harder while those who have just been producing quality content all along are having a much easier time. Its at the point now where even spammy sites are starting to have halfway useful content because they have no other choice but to make a somewhat quality site in order to rank.

    As time goes on and initiatives like author rank gain greater currency, we will see methods from search that will be almost impossible to game without working very, very hard.

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  • Profile picture of the author gladwinforum
    If SEO is Dead.. It means that Search Engines are Dead.

    So SEO never Dies till Search Engines Dies.

    Google Never Dies so SEO too never Dies.
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    • Profile picture of the author Anne0521
      Originally Posted by gladwinforum View Post

      If SEO is Dead.. It means that Search Engines are Dead.

      So SEO never Dies till Search Engines Dies.

      Google Never Dies so SEO too never Dies.
      Agree!!!...SEO is not DEAD yet,..it's just harder these days to rank your site. SEO today means hardwork, no shortcuts, no spamming no low quality content.

      Yes, panda affected most high ranking sites but it doesn't kill SEO instead it changes a lot of SEO strategies.
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  • Profile picture of the author mikest4u
    SEO is not dead my friend! Its Procedures are Changed! There was time when plenty of spamming works wonder for you! Now Google have Tighten their Hands around Spammers Hands! You Have To Perform Search Engine Optimization according to web-master guidelines in order to rank your site higher on search engines!
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  • Profile picture of the author seoace
    Needing a new "trick" every day,week or month =/= SEO is dead.

    That's how the SEO industry is.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by zubair56 View Post

    Is SEO Dead??
    Only for people who think in terms of "numbers of backlinks" and "page ranks".

    To people instinctively interested in quality and relevance, it's far from dead, because those are what Google's also interested in. There's been an inexorable progression in that direction over the last few years, and Google says very openly that that's going to continue.

    Still, the traffic SEO can bring, however successful, certainly leaves something to be desired, compared with traffic from other sources! Personally, I'd advise you not to put too much of your time and effort into trying to attract "organic SERP's" traffic, for two main reasons: first, it's very precarious and makes your business Google-dependent, and any business that's Google-dependent is no more than one algorithm-change away from a potential accident (or even a potential disaster), as so many Warriors have been finding out over the last year or two, some of them to their very great cost; secondly, for me, search engine traffic has been uniformly the worst-converting traffic out of everything I've ever tried in 8 entirely different niches over the whole of the last 4 years - search engine visitors to all my websites typically stay the least time, view the fewest pages, opt in the least often and actually buy anything by far the least often. I admit I do get tons of search engine traffic to all my main sites (because high rankings for multiple keywords happen to be a minor side-benefit of the main targeted traffic-generation method I use to build my business) but I'd certainly hate to have to make a living just from that traffic, and I wouldn't even be cursing too much if Google de-indexed all my sites this afternoon.
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    • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      Only for people who think in terms of "numbers of backlinks" and "page ranks".

      To people instinctively interested in quality and relevance, it's far from dead, because those are what Google's also interested in. There's been an inexorable progression in that direction over the last few years, and Google says very openly that that's going to continue.

      Still, the traffic SEO can bring, however successful, certainly leaves something to be desired, compared with traffic from other sources! Personally, I'd advise you not to put too much of your time and effort into trying to attract "organic SERP's" traffic, for two main reasons: first, it's very precarious and makes your business Google-dependent, and any business that's Google-dependent is no more than one algorithm-change away from a potential accident (or even a potential disaster), as so many Warriors have been finding out over the last year or two, some of them to their very great cost; secondly, for me, search engine traffic has been uniformly the worst-converting traffic out of everything I've ever tried in 8 entirely different niches over the whole of the last 4 years - search engine visitors to all my websites typically stay the least time, view the fewest pages, opt in the least often and actually buy anything by far the least often. I admit I do get tons of search engine traffic to all my main sites (because high rankings for multiple keywords happen to be a minor side-benefit of the main targeted traffic-generation method I use to build my business) but I'd certainly hate to have to make a living just from that traffic, and I wouldn't even be cursing too much if Google de-indexed all my sites this afternoon.
      What "other sources" are you refering to?

      I'm just curious. I'm only focused on local traffic, so a lot of the time I am tied down to google, local search directories, youtube, classifieds or local sites/forums.

      I think you do a lot of article directories (correct me if I'm wrong), but as far as I know, articles for local traffic would be terrible?

      At the same time, I have done a good job using the 5 sources listed above, but I'm always looking for more local traffic / more sources.

      I agree that conversions on google traffic are terrible, but it still brings us a decent volume of calls every week. Have you ever played around with local sites before?

      BTW this question wasn't just posed to Alexa. But if anyone else knows good sources for local traffic I'd like to to know.

      -Red
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      • Profile picture of the author rjames
        SEO is not dead...I rank brand new sites all the time...you just have to know how to make Google happy...
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  • Profile picture of the author Si Parker
    SEO is not dead.

    its just not easy anymore.

    I think the only people who seriously think SEO is dead or are saying that are Guru's who want to sell the next product which is an easy one button solution to riches.

    Google do now and will always have to use an algo to determine which sites are most relevant to a search term. This is SEO. so long as Google has to do this SEO cannot be dead as there is a task to be done working out what it is the Algo wants in its current form.

    Its the same as saying web design is dead because we now have wordpress and facebook to make pages on.

    imho anyway
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  • Profile picture of the author Slin
    Yup, it's dead, I was at the funeral the other day.

    Nope it's not at all, to be honest once you get the hang of it it's not too hard either. The hard part is slogging through all the misinformation to find the truth.

    Because the guys with the truth don't really want to give it away
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  • Profile picture of the author patco
    No, after all the updates, ONLY the webmaster that don't give up will make a successful SEO strategy!
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  • Profile picture of the author TomerN
    Quality SEO is not dead. Spamming crappy websites with crappy links is long dead. Create a quality, informative website and Google will recognize this and rank. Many newbies want to make a brand new website and get it ranked #1 within a day just by SENuke blasts. Not going to happen. A good, ranking website takes time to build, but is well worth it.
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    • Profile picture of the author roblcd
      Real Search Engine Optimization is not dead. It is actually a billion dollar industry. The only thing that is dying is spammy, black/gray hat link building techniques that don't offer real value to a person searching with Google.

      Google is changing the game to promote quality content, and websites with real value instead of just rewarding a site with high SERP's, that doesn't have good content that the user is looking for.

      So the new SEO can be defined as Search EXPERIENCE optimization.

      Any person wanting to work in the SEO field should genuinely care about their customers that are paying them to get their site up into the top 2-3 pages of search results. The way to do that is to look at things like On-Page SEO, semantic markup, quality content, super quality relevant links, etc...

      It's a great market to be in, if it is done correctly, and by providing actual value to the consumer, a person would have no problem finding business.
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    • Profile picture of the author rjames
      Originally Posted by TomerN View Post

      Quality SEO is not dead. Spamming crappy websites with crappy links is long dead. Create a quality, informative website and Google will recognize this and rank. Many newbies want to make a brand new website and get it ranked #1 within a day just by SENuke blasts. Not going to happen. A good, ranking website takes time to build, but is well worth it.
      Agree...SEnuke alone wont help you...but if you know how to use it along with high PR links, you are going to see results crazy fast...

      there is a HUGE misconception that tools are garbage...they are only garbage when you load garbage into them to run....
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    Lettuce be cereal...

    Google still has 10 results on the first page. With proper search engine optimization you can reach the top 10.

    Therefore SEO is not dead.

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    • Profile picture of the author Karan Rawat
      Originally Posted by Backlinko View Post



      Lettuce be cereal...

      Google still has 10 results on the first page. With proper search engine optimization you can reach the top 10.

      Therefore SEO is not dead.

      /thread
      ha ha ha .. these are spammers ..?
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  • Profile picture of the author Iceware
    No SEO will never die
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  • Profile picture of the author haero
    I got my main principle - do white hat SEO step by step naturally, and it all comes with time -if you're persistent and provide value to people, you will increase the chance to monetize your blogs! Been following this principle for quite some time
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  • Profile picture of the author ardor
    Originally Posted by zubair56 View Post

    After so many panda updates, google down the ranks of too many websites and now the SEO work is almost looks too hard. Too many changes done in past few month by google in their Search Engines. Every day we need a new trick to survive businesses. So please guide me, either SEO is still a good field to choose or its dead now??
    SEO is DEAD?? but who definitely kill SEO...

    Probably those who really think SEO is dead.. WHY?? because for those who believe that SEO is alive and kickin' ranks on websites, definitely know what really made them successful with SEO business whatever changes and new rules google posts or announce then there is always a WAY to achieve the TOP RANK!!!

    What are these and which are right ways in getting these top rank in search engine?

    how about reading the book that I've read about SEO practices that can show you how to improve your rankings through only SEO and SEO only provides...

    message me for a free copy.
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  • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
    SEO has been rebranded as Content Marketing.
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  • Profile picture of the author REKHILESH90
    Yes man, seo is still works and try it. You could get succeeded.!
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  • Profile picture of the author surajramnani
    its pretty much alive,Backlinks,Keywords still work quite well..
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  • Profile picture of the author Sulungta2
    Yes, SEO is dead, so make your post or article to your reader not to Search Engine!
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  • Profile picture of the author nightrider85
    Originally Posted by zubair56 View Post

    After so many panda updates, google down the ranks of too many websites and now the SEO work is almost looks too hard. Too many changes done in past few month by google in their Search Engines. Every day we need a new trick to survive businesses. So please guide me, either SEO is still a good field to choose or its dead now??

    i want to dig in it but not sure what to do, currently iam Asp.net developer (at beginner level)
    Not yet !! Only the gameplay changed..depending on what competition your are after...
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