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Will Google get wise to SEO Hosting?

by jimcroisdale
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Hiya all,

Just expanding out PBN and looking at further specialist hosting as we are not able to get any more class C ip's from our existing group of hosting companies.

SEO Hosting seems like the way to go (as opposed to shared hosting) but we wondered whether Google might start to look at sites that are hosted by these companies?

It seems logical to assume that a lot of these sites are going to be used for SEO purposes (hence the name) and as any kind of link building is essentially black-hat they would seem prime target for a google slap of some kind.

Cheers,

Jim
#google #hosting #seo #wise
  • Profile picture of the author Simin
    Many people said that different (dedicated IP's) is good for SEO. Because google don't display same website with same IP's in 1 single Search Result.
    It's means if your target keyword had a competitor that host in same IP's, only one of them will shown in SERP....
    So, it's better to spent $1 per domain per mo to Dedicated IP.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Originally Posted by jimcroisdale View Post


    SEO Hosting seems like the way to go (as opposed to shared hosting) but we wondered whether Google might start to look at sites that are hosted by these companies?
    They are not the way to go and have not been for about a year and a half. Google has long ago been looking at them and people have lost domains because of it.

    It seems logical to assume that a lot of these sites are going to be used for SEO purposes (hence the name) and as any kind of link building is essentially black-hat they would seem prime target for a google slap of some kind.
    Well two things

    1) IF they are shared IPs then you have other networks on the same IP so yeah they can slap all the sites on a server AND THEY ALREADY HAVE based on reports I have heard.

    2) though IP provides some level of making things not look as obvious there are far more ways than IP for Google to realize the domains are on the same server.

    What you want is multi locational hosting across several servers that also have shared customers on them (along with various DNS etc).
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  • Profile picture of the author aseohosting
    Hi Jim, it depends on what you're looking to accomplish. If your only concern is more IP's, then yes, an SEO hosting company will probably have more IPs to give you than a normal company.

    If you're planning on hiding a webspam network / content farm, then Mike is right- Google is likely to see through it despite how it's hosted. They're looking at all kinds of correlated factors; from similarities in design, CMS, grammar style, inbound linkage, domain registration, and so forth.

    That said (just to give you the SEO hosting company's perspective), we don't see any kind of issue with Google "targeting" us. We simply provide technology, and there are still actually several legitimate uses of multiple IP web hosting that Matt Cutts and others at Google have even stated directly WILL help you (such as with international SEO ... which is part of why we invest the effort to be so large in Europe).
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by aseohosting View Post

      That said (just to give you the SEO hosting company's perspective), we don't see any kind of issue with Google "targeting" us. We simply provide technology, and there are still actually several legitimate uses of multiple IP web hosting that Matt Cutts and others at Google have even stated directly WILL help you (such as with international SEO ... which is part of why we invest the effort to be so large in Europe).
      Fair enough response. It would have been more accurate for me to say that networks on some SEO hosts are targeted and as a result other networks on the IP have been hit. We have seen that practically as a reality and as a matter of logic its pretty easy for Google to crosscheck IPs and therefore other networks sharing that IP given the high concentration of SEO networks on those boxes
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  • Profile picture of the author online only
    If people really care about their network, they shouldn't rely on SEO hosting. Cmon, SEO hosting - doesn't ring a bell?
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  • Profile picture of the author kpmedia
    There's nothing "SEO" about IP addresses. They usually have nothing to do with one another. People who say things like this have no understand of how the internet works (networking, mostly).

    Google devalues hosting ranges for companies that try to cheat rankings in this way. Worse yet, reputable hosts never offer silly snake oil like "SEO hosting", so you'll be dealing with shady amateurs, and not reliable companies!

    Just get a good host, period, then end. That's all you need.
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  • Profile picture of the author Laubster
    I've seen case studies showing they've already wised up to it. Becker at Source Wave (largest solo SEO blog in US) proved it.
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    • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
      Originally Posted by Laubster View Post

      I've seen case studies showing they've already wised up to it. Becker at Source Wave (largest solo SEO blog in US) proved it.
      Becker would be the last person I would ever listen to. I mean come on, if you get newsletters from him where he can't distinguish your and you're must say a lot about him. But even then, there's more to it than just that.

      He's already gotten bashed a ton with his product.
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      • Profile picture of the author TheAdsenseGuy
        Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

        Becker would be the last person I would ever listen to. I mean come on, if you get newsletters from him where he can't distinguish your and you're must say a lot about him. But even then, there's more to it than just that.

        He's already gotten bashed a ton with his product.
        Sure Becker got bashed for that SEO Zen product but his seo training is top notch.

        In SEO Infinitum he showed proof that Google has caught on to SEO Hosting. He took his PR backlink sites which were all on seo hosting (1 hosting company with many IP's) and put each one on different hosting companies. He also gave links to $6 per year hosting companies. So it's not that expensive. Within a week or so his rankings made huge improvements.

        I also tried putting my PR backlink sites on different hosting companies and have taken a page on my money site from page 6 to page 2,#9 for a keyword with 8k searches per month with Average to hard competition. And i only used 3 PR backlink domains. Each PR domain was between PR1 and PR2.
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        • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
          Originally Posted by TheAdsenseGuy View Post

          Sure Becker got bashed for that SEO Zen product but his seo training is top notch.

          In SEO Infinitum he showed proof that Google has caught on to SEO Hosting. He took his PR backlink sites which were all on seo hosting (1 hosting company with many IP's) and put each one on different hosting companies. He also gave links to $6 per year hosting companies. So it's not that expensive. Within a week or so his rankings made huge improvements.

          I also tried putting my PR backlink sites on different hosting companies and have taken a page on my money site from page 6 to page 2,#9 for a keyword with 8k searches per month with Average to hard competition. And i only used 3 PR backlink domains. Each PR domain was between PR1 and PR2.
          How are you going to be top notch and yet you're going to offer a crappy product like that? You just ruined your reputation by doing so. All it takes is one crappy incident and people will lose a lot of respect for you. That's just the way of nature.

          Let's talk about this SEO ZEN. First off, it gets all the articles from Ezinearticles. And then it spins it to where it doesn't make sense. And then the "BEST" feature so they say is obtaining links. What kind of links? Blog comments. What year is this? 2004?

          The guy knows how to deliver. But for him to be the go to guy for everyone to learn SEO from isn't the smartest choice.

          But everything he talks about is like basic math. Everyone knows it. He just knows how to add visuals, etc. etc. You want to get down to the technical and everything about SEO hosting, PBN etc. then learn from Mike Anthony and Mike Friedman.

          Like Mike Anthony, Google has tracked / tracking down SEO hosting sites.

          It just doesn't make sense to me that if you're going to have "top notch" training, then you better back it up with your programs as well. The crappy programs itself basically solidifies everything about Becker.
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  • Profile picture of the author Christopher Fox
    Google will catch on to every method devised by IMers, eventually. It is easy to see Google as a monolithic entity, but there are a whole bunch 'o highly paid PhDs trying to catch this stuff. All kinds of PhDs, from programmers to mathematicians to linguists.

    Very smart folks, being paid very well and given the directive to not let IMers influence their search results.

    I guarantee you they know much, like every method used by IMers. They don't have to wait months to 'catch on' to it. The problem becomes the complexity of changing the algo to deal with it.
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    • Profile picture of the author kpmedia
      Originally Posted by Christopher Fox View Post

      It is easy to see Google as a monolithic entity, but there are a whole bunch 'o highly paid PhDs trying to catch this stuff. All kinds of PhDs, from programmers to mathematicians to linguists.
      Very smart folks, being paid very well and given the directive to not let IMers influence their search results.
      It's nice to see someone point this out. It's one reason some of this BS "SEO" people swear by doesn't work. Some of the algorithms they use are almost AI-like, and can detect patterns in writing. Your writing can be like a retina or fingerprint, and it's one way to compare sites. Enough matches on enough vectors, and the sites is dumped.

      It's also why "spinning" doesn't really work anymore. Whatever Google does is more advanced than a cheesy program, or somebody trying to use a thesaurus.

      People on this forum sometimes act like its 1985 with technology.

      Many more act like Google employees are dumb, but it's actually the person saying these things that isn't all that bright.

      But whatever. People believe what they want, even if it's completely stupid.

      It's just nice to see somebody else that understands.
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