Something I don't understand as far as receiving Backlinks Naturally

11 years ago

There has to be some form of marketing. I can't just magically get a backlink after creating some "awesome content".

And no one really addresses that. They just say "Have awesome content. Get natural backlink." What about what's mentioned in-between that?

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paulgl 11 years ago

Quality content is bogus. You want content that people love to share.

If FB and twitter are any indication, man, quality ranks about #200 on
the shareability scale. I can't imagine anyone linking to wikipedia
crap, but millions do. And millions love it.

Anyone who says get natural backlinks by only building quality content
is full of crap.

Paul
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GyuMan82

11 years ago

Yes this is the classic Google paradox.

You need to do some promotion to get the ball rolling.

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Jaba63

11 years ago

In order to get backlinks you have to find forums or blogs that are related to what your website is about. Interact with the community and leave comments along with your signature.

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EdwardDennis

11 years ago

^^^^ Just like he just did

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GGpaul 11 years ago

Originally Posted by EdwardDennis

^^^^ Just like he just did

LOL!

Yeah....alright. Time to setup a game plan.
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ralchevd

11 years ago

the 3 comments right above are epic.

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PerformanceMan

11 years ago

The Internet has changed a lot since this attitude prevails.

I mean, really, how big of a percentage of webmasters actually link to other sources? Most people are 'microbloggers' now and social sharing machines. But do they really go around and link to great resources?

This whole line of reasoning has been outdated for awhile. Push your content through social first and foremost in 2013.

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GGpaul

11 years ago

Originally Posted by PerformanceMan

The Internet has changed a lot since this attitude prevails.

I mean, really, how big of a percentage of webmasters actually link to other sources? Most people are 'microbloggers' now and social sharing machines. But do they really go around and link to great resources?

This whole line of reasoning has been outdated for awhile. Push your content through social first and foremost in 2013.

Hmmm...so at my job...I've investigated thousands of sites/BLOGS if anything from PR 2 and above that are linking back to my companies site. A lot actually with PR 4 and above.

And they're targeting specific keywords to rank certain pages too with 300,000 exact monthly searches...

Have they been helping? I would think so since these are competitive keywords that are on the first page.

I do think having a link from a high PR + relevant site with a great trust flow still plays a big role as far as ranking in the serps.

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bcmwp 11 years ago

I find guest posting works well for getting something off the ground.

Put up some content that people will actually link to, and then go do about 5-10 guest posts on solid, related blogs (not article farms; real blogs). That gets you some traffic from the articles themselves and good links to get you rolling. It also introduces you to the online community of people who are talking about your topic.
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EdwardDennis

11 years ago

To answer your question Paul. Here's my take on it. You want to create AWESOME content so that you could do some outreach to high authority websites.

Let's say you create an awesome infographic. You know how infographics have reference links at the bottom. What you can do is leverage those links. Send an email to your references or better yet, call them, and be like, "hey we made this awesome infographic about X, and we got the data/facts from your site, as a token of appreciation, we would like you to be the first to see the infographic. Please let me know what do you think of it". Chances are, your infographic will be promoted by them and you'll get a link from their websites.

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DPM70

11 years ago

You've got to set up your stall and get in front of people. In this case it is like apples and oranges.

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GGpaul

11 years ago

That infographic intrigued me. You know what, eff it. I'm going to do link outreach.

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EdwardDennis 11 years ago

Originally Posted by GGpaul

That infographic intrigued me. You know what, eff it. I'm going to do link outreach.

Atta boyyy!!
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hirechrisgunn

11 years ago

My company focuses directly on guest posting because you get to absorb the traffic that other sites already have. That is the key. Yes you want great content on your site, but you want to develop amazing content for other sites. You want to find sites that people comment often and share often and there is a great sense of internet community. That's how, with content only, that you get the ball rolling, and I think that's where the statement had originated from.

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by GGpaul

Long time folks. So here's my dilemma.

I always hear "You get natural backlinks by having amazing quality content."

Well, let's say you start a brand spanking new website. You write this wonderful content. So.....now what? Is someone magically just going to appear to your site and say oh s*$@! This is amazing content?! I want to add this link to my site!

OR......if people were more clear with this explanation, do they mean, MARKET the website after they create this "wonderful" content through social media, forum posting, etc. etc. AND THEN, maybe natural backlinks will happen?

Someone clarify this for me. It's just that I hear this all the time. "Get natural backlinks by creating wonderful content."

Well, the wonderful content is just sitting there, and no one knows about the site? So I'm assuming there still has to be marketing...

You still have to promote the site & yes it works pretty easy with a useful site/content & targeted traffic source.

Simply creating good content & waiting won't get you very far.

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Mike Anthony

11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

You still have to promote the site & yes it works pretty easy with a useful site/content & targeted traffic source

Thats it right there. It s not one or the other. Its both. In fact white hatters use tools too to help with it like this

Link building tool - linkbuilder | Wordtracker

Tried it awhile back and hated it by the way.

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GGpaul

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Thats it right there. It s not one or the other. Its both. In fact white hatters use tools too to help with it like this

Link building tool - linkbuilder | Wordtracker

Tried it awhile back and hated it by the way.

Don't trip I'll be doing some black hat shit once I pay off some bills

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Mike Anthony

11 years ago

Originally Posted by GGpaul

Don't trip I'll be doing some black hat shit once I pay off some bills

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I'm going tell bro. I think you sent me a link to your Job's sites. Tomorrow when you get into work your boss is going to say

GG I need to talk to you.

You in twouble now bra. Asked for the hook up to the GF's older sister and you dissed me like Fresh Prince dissed C-Note. Its MA payback now. Payoff some bills? you betta hold on to it so you can eat next month.

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GGpaul

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

I'm going tell bro. I think you sent me a link to your Job's sites. Tomorrow when you get into work your boss is going to say

GG I need to talk to you.

You in twouble now bra. Asked for the hook up to the GF's older sister and you dissed me like Fresh Prince dissed C-Note. Its MA payback now. Payoff some bills? you betta hold on to it so you can eat next month.

....noooooooo.

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yukon Banned 11 years ago

I don't consider myself white or black hat I just go wherever the traffic is & build links (when I'm building links). Matter of fact, I belong to one niche forum where I have a few thousand comments & just a plain text URL in the sig. (they don't allow hyperlinks in the sig.). I defiantly participated in that niche forum for a few years because I was interested in what I was doing (niche).

There's also other niche forums where I've never been a member & the traffic has built links, one of those links sometimes delivers more traffic than my best organic keyword/traffic. Not bad considering the only effort I put into that was creating content that people can actually use.

I know I go on about niche forums, but I don't think people on this forum understand just how much targeted traffic niche forums create, traffic that's consistent for years. I see some people still saying build/blast forum links, the problem with that is it sucks for SEO & the only link they'll usually have (If it sticks) is on a forum profile that gets buried & the other real forum members would never see (two fails).

Anyways, IMO it's easier to get traffic when you hang out in the same place the target traffic hangs out. Just about every niche has at least one major forum that's very active. So build the decent site, then go hang out with people that need the content on your own site. Build it, promote it, monetize it.
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DPM70

11 years ago

There's a lot of guest posting going on - lol - that must take a lot of time and resources. Research and understand your keywords, the demographic that uses them and promote them accordingly.

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bcmwp 11 years ago

Not really. I can write a good guest post in half an hour to an hour. If a site's going to be around for the long haul, it's a good investment, in my experience.
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Slin

11 years ago

Making a large authority site, and building backlinks seems to be the best way to go.

It gets to a point to where, you can just set up a post and rank for a long tail that you want, without putting a lot of effort into it.

I don't get this whole "black hat" and "white hat" stuff.

As far as I know, i'm a marketer, and I do SEO. I build links that google likes, because then I rank in the serps. I build quality content, because my goal as a marketer is to help the customer, so that I get more customers who tell their friends to buy from me.

The only thing that I think i'd consider blackhat really is website hacking. I also don't like blog commenting spam or forum spam, 'cause that's a pain to deal with.

But I don't get this whole "black hat" "white hat" stuff. If you can use magic submitter to program it to submit to top web 2.0 sites and build up your own blog network based on web 2.0's...well do it!

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Monja

11 years ago

I agree with you, Slin. In the end, there is no shortcut - it's just plain hard work and it is much better to stick to one site and build it up than having 20 sites which don't make any money.
However, quality content is different for anyone. The thing is "quality" is for us when we find what we are looking for, right?
So someone may find the one or other aspect helpful while another one looks for a detailed information.
How do we convince people to stick with us?
Easy, we write a lot and detailed information. Or we write articles specifically for one thing and then link to other maybe relevant articles.
I think that is the best way to go in the end - be helpful, light any aspect you can - if you devide that into 20 articles or do in one - i think that is up to you.

Having that said - personally I do not like to read 1000s of words on my computer screen. I like to read on my iPad though so that might be an option. What I'm going to say: you can't please anyone at anytime.

Originally Posted by Slin

Making a large authority site, and building backlinks seems to be the best way to go.

It gets to a point to where, you can just set up a post and rank for a long tail that you want, without putting a lot of effort into it.

I don't get this whole "black hat" and "white hat" stuff.

As far as I know, i'm a marketer, and I do SEO. I build links that google likes, because then I rank in the serps. I build quality content, because my goal as a marketer is to help the customer, so that I get more customers who tell their friends to buy from me.

The only thing that I think i'd consider blackhat really is website hacking. I also don't like blog commenting spam or forum spam, 'cause that's a pain to deal with.

But I don't get this whole "black hat" "white hat" stuff. If you can use magic submitter to program it to submit to top web 2.0 sites and build up your own blog network based on web 2.0's...well do it!

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GGpaul

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Monja

I agree with you, Slin. In the end, there is no shortcut - it's just plain hard work and it is much better to stick to one site and build it up than having 20 sites which don't make any money.
However, quality content is different for anyone. The thing is "quality" is for us when we find what we are looking for, right?
So someone may find the one or other aspect helpful while another one looks for a detailed information.
How do we convince people to stick with us?
Easy, we write a lot and detailed information. Or we write articles specifically for one thing and then link to other maybe relevant articles.
I think that is the best way to go in the end - be helpful, light any aspect you can - if you devide that into 20 articles or do in one - i think that is up to you.

Having that said - personally I do not like to read 1000s of words on my computer screen. I like to read on my iPad though so that might be an option. What I'm going to say: you can't please anyone at anytime.

I understand there is no shortcut. As a matter of fact I don't want to take ANY shortcuts to run my business. It was just more of like what the hell are people talking about "getting natural links after creating wonderful content."

That's it.

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smodha

11 years ago

I've always said that content has nothing to do with Google. Content is about converting buyers into visitors (as IMers).

Google doesn't know what good content is. It relies on external signals. You can write IM poetry but without any backlinks its pointless.

I test this theory out all the time. One of my sites for a medium competition keyword ranked on page #2 without any content. It literally shot up from 100+ to 14 overnight based on the strength of my backlinks.

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Monja

11 years ago

GGPaul, I didn't mean bad in any way. Were just my ideas about what people say because I hate these common explanations as well

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GGpaul 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Monja

GGPaul, I didn't mean bad in any way. Were just my ideas about what people say because I hate these common explanations as well

Got it. For sure.
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