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Does Penguin Penalize Websites or Web pages?

by lonfore Banned
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Well my question is does Penguin or any other Google updates penalizing websites or webpages? If updates penalize webpages then we can easily shut down the page and start a new one. But if Google is giving penalties on websites then we have to think about new domains? Any insight?
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  • Profile picture of the author writer88
    If your content is good and link structure is natural and relevant then you need not to worry about Penguin 2.0. Make sure you are going to start a site with high quality content!
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    • Profile picture of the author lonfore
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      Originally Posted by writer88 View Post

      If your content is good and link structure is natural and relevant then you need not to worry about Penguin 2.0. Make sure you are going to start a site with high quality content!
      !!! What are you talking about! You are just trying to show your signature links?
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  • Profile picture of the author lennyk1313
    Based on my research, Google penalizes pages. Just as an example, if you have tons of spammy links pointing to the internal page that used to rank before with a targeted keyword, it will no longer be ranked, but you may have good natural links going to another page or a main, and that will still rank fine. Hope this helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author lonfore
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    As far as I know Google gives penalty on the domain. But if Google penalizes webpages then why should we be worried as we can easily delete a page and start a fresh new one with same contents?
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  • Profile picture of the author trade4861
    Thats a good question. I can say that on one site, I over optimized the homepage for two keywords, I went from first page to page oblivion. But the home page still ranks for other keywords. Maybe rather then ditching the domain, you can see if you can still rank for other keywords. I can also say that I did loose traffic throughout the entire site where I didn't build any links to those pages. But there could have been other factors involved in the update that we are unaware of, that could have caused the loss of traffic. For instance, maybe Google is just favoring authority sites a little more, or domain age, or maybe I lost traffic as a result of lack of links.

    Pages that got linked to naturally maintained there ranking and didn't drop at all. I did have one page that went viral and got dozens of natural links and substantial PR, that page got penalized too...go figure.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brian Lett
    Penguin 2.0 penalized entire domains for specific queries (2.3% of queries with this latest update).

    One such query is "SEO services". I saw a website (unnamed) go from page one to page four for this term. This website had been on page one since 2008 for the term "SEO Services".

    They were most likely targeted because of an unnatural link structure.
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  • Profile picture of the author jovykhan
    According to this article: The Difference Between Penguin and an Unnatural Links Penalty (and some info on Panda too) - Moz

    Penguin usually affects a site on a page and keyword level.
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  • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
    Penguin doesn't 'penalize' anything. Penguin devalues incoming links, which causes rankings to drop.
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    • Profile picture of the author pasik
      Originally Posted by Brian Lett View Post

      Penguin 2.0 penalized entire domains for specific queries (2.3% of queries with this latest update).

      One such query is "SEO services". I saw a website (unnamed) go from page one to page four for this term. This website had been on page one since 2008 for the term "SEO Services".

      They were most likely targeted because of an unnatural link structure.
      That's not a penalty. It just means that some of the links were devalued. If it were penalty, the site would have dropped tens of pages or nowhere to be found.

      Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

      Penguin doesn't 'penalize' anything. Penguin devalues incoming links, which causes rankings to drop.
      I disagree. If your incoming links are seriously over optimized, Penguin will penalize you.
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      • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
        Originally Posted by pasik View Post

        That's not a penalty. It just means that some of the links were devalued. If it were penalty, the site would have dropped tens of pages or nowhere to be found.


        I disagree. If your incoming links are seriously over optimized, Penguin will penalize you.
        So what's the difference in ranking between a 'devaluation' and a 'penalty?'

        A devaluation means the 'link juice' has been removed to the page, reducing the value of the target terms in the SERPs.
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        • Profile picture of the author pasik
          Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

          So what's the difference in ranking between a 'devaluation' and a 'penalty?'

          A devaluation means the 'link juice' has been removed to the page, reducing the value of the target terms in the SERPs.
          And penalty means your rankings reduce more than they should by devaluing some of your incoming links.

          Also, if you get a penalty, it's very difficult to recover. This is not the case in link devaluation when you can recover simply having more better quality backlinks.
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  • Profile picture of the author davidfrankk
    Penguin is a site level update which means if one webpage of a website is affected by it, the whole domian will also be affected.
    In case your domain which was previously ranked well, is affected, you don't necessarily need to get a new one. You can simply submit a reconsideration request to Google after cleaning up your backlink profile.
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  • Profile picture of the author PeckhamPirate
    From what I've seen it's a site wide penalty. Try using something like Traffic Travis to see how individuall pages are ranking, but like I say, in my experience it was always my entire sites that got hit.
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  • Profile picture of the author lonfore
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    I just cant understand why expert warriors are not giving replies on this thread as none of us here actually confident about our replies! Yukon, Anthony, Friedman, Paul, Backlinko, Woolfme all of you are confused too!
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