Tiered Link Building...Are You Worried?

11 years ago

Passing filter and over optimization penalties upstream from backlink source pages.

Is simply not going to happen.

This would be the "Negative SEO Works" Blackball. And would open up 100 times more Webspam than exists now.

Unless that's what they want to do.
By making the Webspam problem a Big issue for users. The users would happily hand over the power of their internet freedom to Google

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Mike Anthony

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire

Passing filter and over optimization penalties upstream from backlink source pages.

Is simply not going to happen.

This would be the "Negative SEO Works" Blackball. And would open up 100 times more Webspam than exists now.

Doesn't have to be a penalty Kevin. It can be just like the EMD change. All you have to do is detect a page with a whole lot of weak links pointing at it and negate its ability to pass on juice and tiered link building is toast.

There would be no issue of negative SEO at all because the page itself can still rank but it just can't help any other site to rank.

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Kevin Maguire

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Doesn't have to be a penalty Kevin. It can be just like the EMD change. All you have to do is detect a page with a whole lot of weak links pointing at it and negate its ability to pass on juice and tiered link building is toast.

There would be no issue of negative SEO at all because the page itself can still rank but it just can't help any other site to rank.

Hmm maybe so.....But I like my idea better. Ktnx

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Victor Edson

11 years ago

I've been wondering for a while what animal reference they'll use.

I'm sure eventually they'll do something to combat it, and we'll find a way to add another layer.

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godoveryou

11 years ago

I've never thought highly of using GSA for tiered link building. The idea of taking some piece of content and pumping it full of crap worked in the past. I am however a fan to content-to-content tiered linking, but GSA is not well suited for that anyways.

So to answer your question - I have no concern about tiered linking because of my preferred implementation of it. Just link the content together as if one was the 'source' or information to another, much like research papers would give each other create for older interesting findings/conclusions that were used in the discovery of the author's newest conclusion.

If you just post an article and bash it with GSA then you were only interested in tiered linking by name and not function as far as I'm concerned. What pumping through GSA really is is simple abusing the 'parasite effect' and not tiering at all.

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Mike Anthony

11 years ago

Originally Posted by godoveryou

I've never thought highly of using GSA for tiered link building. The idea of taking some piece of content and pumping it full of crap worked in the past. I am however a fan to content-to-content tiered linking, but GSA is not well suited for that anyways..

Unfortunately I can't say I never did because I had high hopes for it. Seeing as how it was constantly being updated I felt it would evolve into a powerhouse but not anymore. I realized all the updates were just little twitches not adding anything really different. Looks impressive to alway see updates but the software is stagnant except for those very small changes.

as you indicated its just pumps out garbage to every unsuspecting site. Its probably the spammiest piece of software out there now and with still a very clunky interface. Its a one time fee or it wouldn't even still be on my system.

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smodha

11 years ago

I love tiered links. Should Google penalize them then I have full control as my tier #1 is built manually and I can remove the links at any time.

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seonutshell

11 years ago

Yeh if you have control over your tier one (which you should) you wont have any penalties, but would still effect our rankings if they slapped the method

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smodha 11 years ago

Originally Posted by seonutshell

Yeh if you have control over your tier one (which you should) you wont have any penalties, but would still effect our rankings if they slapped the method

If they slap tiered link building then lots of my niche sites will be effected but I don't build them anymore. 2013 has been all about authority sites and video marketing.

You need to spread the risk with different business models.
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eliteseo1

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Jayden Rivers

As the title suggests.

Are you still using it right now, GSA users etc?

Are you worreid it's next on G's hit list?

Your thoughts etc

Nope... not worried at all.
I use gsa and senuke and non of my websites suffered
in the last update.

There is a right and wrong way to use these tools.

You have to do it the safe way.

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Mike Anthony

11 years ago

Originally Posted by eliteseo1

Nope... not worried at all.
I use gsa and senuke and non of my websites suffered
in the last update.

There is a right and wrong way to use these tools.

You have to do it the safe way.

This has nothing to do with past updates. It has to do with the one that Cutts announced is coming. There is no mystery to using the tools you listed. All it is is tiered link building crappy N/A links to crappy N/a links building up some juice. If the change being talked about comes then those tools will all be worthless no matter the way you use them.

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godoveryou

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

This has nothing to do with past updates. It has to do with the one that Cutts announced is coming. There is no mystery to using the tools you listed. All it is is tiered link building crappy N/A links to crappy N/a links building up some juice. If the change being talked about comes then those tools will all be worthless no matter the way you use them.

Yep, your websites are judged based on previous actions, not what you do in the future.

That having been said, I don't think all link building tools will be useless. I do however think that way people have gotten use to using them will be problematic in the future.

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jinx1221

11 years ago

Originally Posted by godoveryou

Yep, your websites are judged based on previous actions, not what you do in the future.

That having been said, I don't think all link building tools will be useless. I do however think that way people have gotten use to using them will be problematic in the future.

I dont think it will be problematic, for us smart people anyways, its just that they will be ineffective for them.

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Hansons

11 years ago

Yes, you can use these tools as long as you are doing natural link building.

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sackboy127

11 years ago

I guess we'll have to start using better quality Tier 2s, and 3s then, and move the spammy links lower, into Tier 4 and 5. ("We have to go deeper!"

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Mike Anthony

11 years ago

To be honest I wouldn't be surprised if Cutts was blowing a little smoke. Denying the benefit of upstream links is a bit more complicated than most algo changes and MAY take their engineers more time.

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godoveryou

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

To be honest I wouldn't be surprised if Cutts was blowing a little smoke. Denying the benefit of upstream links is a bit more complicated than most algo changes and MAY take their engineers more time.

He's been caught doing that more than once unfortunately. :p

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smodha

11 years ago

As long as you build tier #1 links manually - there's nothing to worry about.

If LPs get slapped then you can always remove the money site links from your tier #1.

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Mikhael G

11 years ago

hey guys, what is exactly tier 1 means, is it like this ?
main : abc.com
tier 1 : abc.wordpress.com or something like that (link to abc.com)

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seonutshell

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mikhael G

hey guys, what is exactly tier 1 means, is it like this ?
main : abc.com
tier 1 : abc.wordpress.com or something like that (link to abc.com)

Nope, thats a subdomain.

Tiered link is

ABC.com
linkA pointing to ABC.com
LinksB pointing to link A
LinkssssssC pointing to LinksB

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MikeFriedman

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

To be honest I wouldn't be surprised if Cutts was blowing a little smoke. Denying the benefit of upstream links is a bit more complicated than most algo changes and MAY take their engineers more time.

Originally Posted by godoveryou

He's been caught doing that more than once unfortunately. :p

See that's why I don't think they are really going to tackle this issue in a complicated way. I think what they are going to do is just destroy all the 2.0 and Wiki sites that are run on simple scripts. Jcow, TikkiWikki, MediaWikki, etc. They really cannot just devalue Tumblr. Tumblr has some great sites on it. I have yet to find anything worth a crap on a TikkiWikki site. They could just completely discredit all those type of script sites and it would deal a big blow to most tiered link builders.

Add into that ignoring blog comments, and it would go even further, but I'm not sure they are willing to take that step yet.

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godoveryou

11 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

See that's why I don't think they are really going to tackle this issue in a complicated way. I think what they are going to do is just destroy all the 2.0 and Wiki sites that are run on simple scripts. Jcow, TikkiWikki, MediaWikki, etc. They really cannot just devalue Tumblr. Tumblr has some great sites on it. I have yet to find anything worth a crap on a TikkiWikki site. They could just completely discredit all those type of script sites and it would deal a big blow to most tiered link builders.

Add into that ignoring blog comments, and it would go even further, but I'm not sure they are willing to take that step yet.

I agree in part. And not just tumblr, but blogspot and wordpress host some incredibly authority blogs as well.

That having been said, devalue links from pages who themselves acquire links above and beyond a threshold and you've got a solution in the works. Might be harder to do than that overall however - it's not as if I have my own private Google sandbox to play in

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Mike Anthony

11 years ago

Originally Posted by godoveryou

That having been said, devalue links from pages who themselves acquire links above and beyond a threshold and you've got a solution in the works. Might be harder to do than that overall however - it's not as if I have my own private Google sandbox to play in

Yeah just typed the same while you were posting that. Would require them to take on a larger load on their servers for the extra processing. blog comments on authority pages would still work but if they dealt with that - new ball game. They have a way of taking their time though so who knows when.

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MikeFriedman

11 years ago

Originally Posted by godoveryou

I agree in part. And not just tumblr, but blogspot and wordpress host some incredibly authority blogs as well.

That having been said, devalue links from pages who themselves acquire links abJust a thought. ove and beyond a threshold and you've got a solution in the works. Might be harder to do than that overall however - it's not as if I have my own private Google sandbox to play in

And thet very well may go that route. The only issue with that solution is that it further opens the door to negative SEO. Now instead of just throwing bad links at a site we can do it in tiers and really screw them.

Just a thought

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Mike Anthony 11 years ago

From what I read of Cutts this would have no impact on negative SEO one way or the other. No ranking of say a tumblr site would be affected just LINKS coming FROM a tumblr site to another site would be lowered in value.

Its denying the benefits of the upstream links not penalties in the serp. If you are talking about blasting the sites of all a competitors link sites then just like now it can be set so that having a few good real links protects the site from having its linking strength being taken away.
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Mike Anthony 11 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

They really cannot just devalue Tumblr. Tumblr has some great sites on it.

Well who knows but I really don't think its a platform thing they are talking about. That would be real easy and take no time. IF I were doing it I would put in a change that has nothing to do with any particular site. Google has to know if you go after platforms then people will just go after new platforms.

I would take the PR (internal not toolbar) of a page and divide it by the amount of links. Ratio too high with a certain high amount of links then you know its all crappy links. Then you don't penalize the site in the index you just penalize the ability of it to pass PR. done.

Tumblr is not affected at all - just people getting links from the tumblr page that has been blasted. Thats the very heart of multi tiered link building. If thee tier 3s you have blasted givee you nothing then bye bye goes that practice
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Mikhael G 11 years ago

Originally Posted by seonutshell

Nope, thats a subdomain.

Tiered link is

ABC.com
linkA pointing to ABC.com
LinksB pointing to link A
LinkssssssC pointing to LinksB

is it include blog commenting or only social networking for those link a,b,c
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godoveryou

11 years ago

I think the door to negative SEO has become wide open as of late. I would even venture to say that they only slightly care about it at all these days - maybe just enough to keep the government(s) from getting even more curious about their internal practices.

But there are many ways to negative SEO someone these days and they vary in degree from just sniping one page for one keyword on one end - all the way up to completely deindexing a site on the other end and for the most part, you can do everything in between as well.

Only very old, very large authority sites seem to be partially immune. They are still susceptible to 'sniping' single pages for single keywords or small groups of keywords but they are still hard or almost impossible to deindex completely.

In the very, extreme dark corners of the internet - there have been rumblings of deindexing domains attached to the 2014 election cycle, just to make a point. I personally wouldn't touch that with a 50 foot pole, but lets face it... Google created this monster.

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Mike Anthony

11 years ago

Originally Posted by godoveryou

In the very, extreme dark corners of the internet -

Which begs the question GOY - What are you doing over in those corners Mr. I might go totally white hat soon? Darth Vader still is strong with this one -

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godoveryou

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Which begs the question GOY - What are you doing over in those corners Mr. I might go totally white hat soon? Darth Vader still is strong with this one -

Guilty pleasure? :p

In all seriousness, there is application for those skills still. I'm just growing out of that shell a bit to see what else is out there to play with. The social game for instance intrigues me.

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