The Mega Site. $10k per month

adgaro

11 years ago

You can never rely on Google. Period.

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Carl Brown 11 years ago

Originally Posted by adgaro

You can never rely on Google. Period.

That's nonsense.

They've been working a plan for years. They've actually been working the plan I said they should have been doing all along.

If the links are links YOU have control over, they will and should become of less and less value. They've always told you where they're headed, and most of you just keep looking for that gimmick to game the system.

There's no reason your plan won't generate good income. Just play by their rules so you don't get the rug pulled out from under you after the next update.
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tudexo 11 years ago

Originally Posted by adgaro

You can never rely on Google. Period.

This is well said!! You should understand that you can never counquer on G. There is always Google do that makes your website down in rankings.

These days, it seems that they are only ranking websites that are using their adwords program. And this has been after their last update. Now, on one hand they say that this algorithm runs on some metrics etc which is not paid-biased etc.. They won't entertain link exchanges or link buying and this will be for all.. But now they are showing their real face. So you need to take this thought in your mind before thinking of building a new website or large website..
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- MaroshIS 11 years ago
  
  OP stop it before it is too late.
  
  This will not work mainly due to following:
  
  - you dont have enough money on SEO to outrank big boys in a long run. In this niche they spend actually >$10k every month just to keep their SEO rankings. Can you afford this ?
  - quality content does not equal authority site
  - lots of articles will cost you time or lot of money, but you have no guarantee that it will bring you organic traffic (you need backlinks instead!!!)
  - Clickbank is crap in terms of trading products (high refund rate) and lack of reocurring income type of products
  
  Here is what you need to do instead:
  Pick a NICHE and dominate that niche. For example write only about penny stocks trading strategies or some sort of market analysis etc etc....Make up to 30 pages of content and rank each page aggressively by doing aggressive greyhat SEO.
  
  Even if you succeed, Google can wipe you out anytime, so this is not business model that will enable you to retire at 22.
  
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GyuMan82

11 years ago

You need more than a ton of articles to bank. You need great links as well if search engine traffic is your goal.

Even if you had a site with thousands of articles, if you are in a competitive niche like finance/forex etc. you are not going to get much search traffic even with a site that large.

Furthermore not to sound like a dick, but if you need a "mega-site" to bank $10k/mo, you probably don't know as much about penny stocks as you think, which means the content won't be that great, and you probably won't earn that many "natural" links.

So in a nutshell, don't quit your day job.

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James-

11 years ago

So what happens if Google decides they no longer want to rank your site for whatever reason? Oh dear! Not to mention the cost of outsourcing the SEO and 3k articles (assuming they are not woeful $5 ones from India), you wont make a profit for years!!

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online only

11 years ago

Your idea is great, but in theory you will most likely fail.

Why?

$100 for SEO
though niche
outsourcing articles
adsense

etc..

Btw you don't need a "MEGA" site for making 10k p/m.

I have site that makes 5k p/m and it has less than 30 indexed pages. You just need extremely targeted traffic and somewhat high commission products.

Hope that helps bro

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seonutshell

11 years ago

Originally Posted by online only

Your idea is great, but in theory you will most likely fail.

Why?

$100 for SEO
though niche
outsourcing articles
adsense

etc..

Btw you don't need a "MEGA" site for making 10k p/m.

I have site that makes 5k p/m and it has less than 30 indexed pages. You just need extremely targeted traffic and somewhat high commission products.

Hope that helps bro

I dont want to sell anything really, just want it to be full of information. I mean i could have some CPA offers and maybe sell some products from clickbacnk, but i want the main source of income because i like playing things safe.

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chandan_dutta

11 years ago

Originally Posted by online only

I have site that makes 5k p/m and it has less than 30 indexed pages. You just need extremely targeted traffic and somewhat high commission products.

Hope that helps bro

Great point and please listen to this. To make good money, you need ONLY targeted traffic. When you plan to so much on a site, it won't be wise to depend only on Google because you never know when they update their algorithm. If you have other strategy to bring constant traffic, then only it will be wise to invest a lot in one site.

Plus, content only won't rank your site. You will need lot of quality links.

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hipeopo02

11 years ago

it sounds like you just want a lot of money like everyone else.

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paulgl 11 years ago

As soon as you mentioned wordpress, you lost me.

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- hipeopo02 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by paulgl
  
  As soon as you mentioned wordpress, you lost me.
  
  Paul
  
  whats wrong with wordpress?
  
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  Oranges 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by hipeopo02
  
  whats wrong with wordpress?
  
  Nothing.:rolleyes:
  
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- Mike Anthony 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by paulgl
  
  As soon as you mentioned wordpress, you lost me.
  
  Paul
  
  LOL.... me too....but a little later after he said authority site and 500 pages.
  
  Whats wrong with Wordpress? Nothing its just not the best for all kinds of sites like WF members believe especially since most WF who claim it is do nothing more than get a theme and install a couple plugins.
  
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- seonutshell 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by paulgl
  
  As soon as you mentioned wordpress, you lost me.
  
  Paul
  
  When i make this site work il quote you on that buddy.
  
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  Intrepreneur 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by seonutshell
  
  When i make this site work il quote you on that buddy.
  
  Hey buddy.
  
  How much expeirence do you have?
  
  I've done this already.
  
  Obviously not to the 10k level but I've done it to a certain degree.
  
  My Skype is on the left if you want some SOLID advice on your plan.
  
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- Intrepreneur 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by paulgl
  
  As soon as you mentioned wordpress, you lost me.
  
  Paul
  
  The most interesting post I've seen you write Paul.
  
  Tell me more?
  
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PrimaDNA1989

Banned 11 years ago

Why not try engaging with like minded folks via social media and get traffic via that particular source instead of just relying on the articles to get you organic traffic? If you really take the time to interact with fans and followers you won't be worried about a google update or your site falling in serps. Just sayin!

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seonutshell

11 years ago

Originally Posted by PrimaDNA1989

Why not try engaging with like minded folks via social media and get traffic via that particular source instead of just relying on the articles to get you organic traffic? If you really take the time to interact with fans and followers you won't be worried about a google update or your site falling in serps. Just sayin!

Thanks, and great idea. Of course there will be a fan page, and im going to be networking and interviewing some people etc. Although i will be relying on google, i will of course have some other means of traffic.

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vk3

11 years ago

If you're pumped about it and inspired to take action, I say go for it...

However, please keep this list in mind:

- Google changes OFTEN; more so lately than ever
- like Adgaro said... it's foolish to rely 100% on Google
- keep working on other projects that don't rely on Google
- in two words, KEEP DIVERSIFYING; period

Good luck

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seonutshell

11 years ago

Originally Posted by vk3

If you're pumped about it and inspired to take action, I say go for it...

However, please keep this list in mind:

- Google changes OFTEN; more so lately than ever
- like Adgaro said... it's foolish to rely 100% on Google
- keep working on other projects that don't rely on Google
- in two words, KEEP DIVERSIFYING; period

Good luck

Sound advice as usual

I have already taken action, and started writing some articles. The whole google thing is kinda scary, but if i follow there guidelines, im not going to have any problems. If i dont do anything even greyhat i should be fine. And we can cross the SEO bridge when we come to it. Content is getting written first. Its better in my opinion to write the content before you buy any domains etc, because if i buy the domain and add the theme and a few pages of content it ussually just stays like that lol

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FivestarHB

11 years ago

I agree with VK3. If you are committed, then it might just work. You are however completely reliant on Google consistently ranking your site for long tail keywords (the main kwds are probably too competitive) and you not losing traffic when an algo gets changed, as it it does regularly.

I would probably look to diversify, both in your income sources for this site, and have a couple of authority sites if you can, or other model. I am sure there are plenty of stock recommendation vendors that have an affiliate program for their monthly newsletter.....hhhhmmm, sounds like a good niche, I might just .....

good luck with it buddy.

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seonutshell

11 years ago

Originally Posted by FivestarHB

I agree with VK3. If you are committed, then it might just work. You are however completely reliant on Google consistently ranking your site for long tail keywords (the main kwds are probably too competitive) and you not losing traffic when an algo gets changed, as it it does regularly.

I would probably look to diversify, both in your income sources for this site, and have a couple of authority sites if you can, or other model. I am sure there are plenty of stock recommendation vendors that have an affiliate program for their monthly newsletter.....hhhhmmm, sounds like a good niche, I might just .....

good luck with it buddy.

Go ahead we can colab lol. Just kidding. The thing about the niche is, there is money to be made no doubt about it, and lots of ways to make money from it. Id rather spend 6months to a year working on traffic and content safe in the knowledge that when the time is right, the money will come. What i wouldnt mind is a brokerage site that pays commision on what people deposit initially, or for the rest of there lives, like casinos.

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

There's a catch22 on large sites.

More pages doesn't always mean more earnings, but it does mean it's easier to target more keywords which can bring in more traffic, which still doesn't mean more earnings.

IMO, unless your content is evergreen, your wasting your time creating thousands of pages. Example, a news site can never stop creating content or they'll go belly up within 24 hours (horrible niche IMO). They have to keep pumping out content 24/7/365 (forget that).

Not sure how you could create evergreen content for a penny stock site.

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seonutshell

11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

There's a catch22 on large sites.

More pages doesn't always mean more earnings, but it does mean it's easier to target more keywords which can bring in more traffic, which still doesn't mean more earnings.

IMO, unless your content is evergreen, your wasting your time creating thousands of pages. Example, a news site can never stop creating content or they'll go belly up within 24 hours (horrible niche IMO). They have to keep pumping out content 24/7/365 (forget that).

Not sure how you could create evergreen content for a penny stock site.

Im going to have a blog updated every week with something like "whats hot this week" Not news as such but should get some returning visitors and i can build up an email list faster.

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patadeperro

11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Not sure how you could create evergreen content for a penny stock site.

The only way I can think of this is by explaining people timeless principles about finance, principles, not tricks or task that will change from one week to another.

But I am not sure if the phrase "timeless principles" and "penny stock" in the same phrase make sense or they are an oxymoron

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seonutshell

11 years ago

Originally Posted by patadeperro

The only way I can think of this is by explaining people timeless principles about finance, principles, not tricks or task that will change from one week to another.

But I am not sure if the phrase "timeless principles" and "penny stock" in the same phrase make sense or they are an oxymoron

Penny stocks are legit. They dont have to be a penny. In the UK anything below a pound is a penny stock, and in the US anything below $5 is a penny stock.

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svetod

11 years ago

You can achieve your goal and make much more by collection lead. The easiest way is using PPC.

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normahl

11 years ago

Authority site with 192401924 articles? I have one authority site in the Forex niche that has 60 indexed pages, is an authority site and makes 15k$ a month.

Lold at the retiring with 22

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PBScott

11 years ago

You can do it if your content is good enough, and you don't run out of steam... but playing the odds here...it's probably going to end up being a bad idea.

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seonutshell

11 years ago

Originally Posted by normahl

Authority site with 192401924 articles? I have one authority site in the Forex niche that has 60 indexed pages, is an authority site and makes 15k$ a month.

Lold at the retiring with 22

Originally Posted by PBScott

You can do it if your content is good enough, and you don't run out of steam... but playing the odds here...it's probably going to end up being a bad idea.

Ha thats pretty cool! I imagine those 60 pages are some of the best pages of content known to man. Im going to PM you for some tips you dont have to reply.

and to the guy above this post (multiquoting not working) ((for me)) i wont run out of steam!

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normahl

11 years ago

Originally Posted by seonutshell

Ha thats pretty cool! I imagine those 60 pages are some of the best pages of content known to man. Im going to PM you for some tips you dont have to reply.

and to the guy above this post (multiquoting not working) ((for me)) i wont run out of steam!

It's all about the Keyword Research.

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TomBuck

11 years ago

Originally Posted by seonutshell

Hey guys, im looking for advice when it comes to mega sites. I really want to create one, and have an idea for one. Il go over the shell of the plan.

I want to create an authority site on wordpress, and have over 500 pages with unique articles on each, by a year and a half today. Maybe a lot less. The niche is going to be trading, but specifically penny stocks. 74k exacts a month, with a bucketload of long tails. Now i know quite a bit about penny stocks (rather a lot actually) so im hoping to become an authority in this niche.

Im going to be making about $8 a day from adsense when i finish my last niche site, so im going to be using that money for hosting etc, and im going to spend $100 a month on SEO because im not going to have time to do both. BUT i imagine im going to start hitting profits from the 100 day mark maximum so i will have more to reinvest and i can get some articles outsourced.

But i don't want to stop at 1k articles now. Once i have the 1k penny stocks articles cash coming in, im going to use half the cash to outsource wicked articles about FOREX trading in general, and party hard with the rest. After that is completed, i will do another 1k articles on stock trading.

So the end result is to have 3k articles on one site and then i can retire at 22.

So the whole point of this thread is to talk me out of it lol. Why shouldnt this work? If i put the effort into writing the awesome articles, would it still fail? Is it an ok plan but you would change a few things?

Let me know please.

Love the confidence, sound like me about 3 years ago.... :rolleyes: Haha.

If you can crank out 10 articles a day everyday, work 8 hours a day on the site and ensure you do all onpage optimization correctly I think you can hit your goals.

But have a back up plan, because if this goes "tits up" then you don't want to be earning only $8 a day 3 months down the line and have debt from the SEO and other things you may have outsourced.

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ronrule

11 years ago

At one point in history I owned one of the largest smallcap sites on the net. About 1 million uniques a month, realtime quotes before anyone else was doing it (without a paid Level II account somewhere), and was in the top 3 Google results for nearly every PTC/PK ticker symbol. We're talking a site with more than 60,000 pages, articles written actual registered investment advisors, the whole nine.

The adsense revenue alone brought in more than $20k a month, plus paid listings from public companies looking for exposure. And then the market crash happened... then Obama happened. A slew of new SEC regulations took hold, and suddenly offering "investment advice" or "investment strategies" - even in the form of a game - wasn't such a good business to be in anymore. Public companies weren't spending the $ promoting anymore, and a few even actually got de-listed from the OTCBB for what was now defined as "illegal stock promotion".

Be careful treading into this space, man... The little disclaimer that basically says "this investment advice cannot be construed as investment advice" won't hold up in any court.

But I say "be careful" not just for THAT reason - you're also entering into a space that is already dominated by investment banks and "the establishment". And they have a lot more money for SEO than $100 per month, and paid writers on staff who are actually legally allowed to write about stocks and investing to cover their asses not the Fiverr-type writers you're probably going to be using. We spent a good $15,000 a month just between SEO and content generation. There are much easier niches with much less competition.

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seonutshell

11 years ago

Originally Posted by ronrule

At one point in history I owned one of the largest smallcap sites on the net. About 1 million uniques a month, realtime quotes before anyone else was doing it (without a paid Level II account somewhere), and was in the top 3 Google results for nearly every PTC/PK ticker symbol. We're talking a site with more than 60,000 pages, articles written actual registered investment advisors, the whole nine.

The adsense revenue alone brought in more than $20k a month, plus paid listings from public companies looking for exposure. And then the market crash happened... then Obama happened. A slew of new SEC regulations took hold, and suddenly offering "investment advice" or "investment strategies" - even in the form of a game - wasn't such a good business to be in anymore. Public companies weren't spending the $ promoting anymore, and a few even actually got de-listed from the OTCBB for what was now defined as "illegal stock promotion".

Be careful treading into this space, man... The little disclaimer that basically says "this investment advice cannot be construed as investment advice" won't hold up in any court.

But I say "be careful" not just for THAT reason - you're also entering into a space that is already dominated by investment banks and "the establishment". And they have a lot more money for SEO than $100 per month, and paid writers on staff who are actually legally allowed to write about stocks and investing to cover their asses not the Fiverr-type writers you're probably going to be using. We spent a good $15,000 a month just between SEO and content generation. There are much easier niches with much less competition.

Solid advice man thanks, and im not going to have any lawsuits after me, as im going to be staying away from advising people specific companies to invest in. The main keywords im targeting means that im going to be getting visitors who have read a little bit about penny stock trading, and want some deeper information into it before they go ahead and open up a brokerage. This allows for some juicy CTR's, because a lot of people are going to want to open one of those practise accounts they will see on my ads.

Also protip, google is almost as good as a level 2 account!

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

There's nothing wrong with Wordpress, it can handle traffic loads just fine as long as the pages aren't bloated with a bunch of junk.

Example, psd.tutsplus.com runs Wordpress & averages almost 3 million page views per month according to buysellads. I've had a site listed on buysellads a couple years ago & they do track the traffic volume on the sites they list. Plus anyone that's in web/dev knows the envato sites (psd.tutsplus.com) are popular.

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seonutshell

11 years ago

Hey guys just to let everyone know im launching this over next couple of days. Getting real tired of writing quality articles in this niche so im just going to put up my 15 or so thousand words and focus on CPA and outsource some articles.

Thanks for all the advice was nice of you all! Will keep you updated in a couple months time.