What is your best PPC advice?

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Hello,

I am about to start my first campaign for my golf site using google adwords PPC program. I wanted to start a thread not only for my benefit but the benefit of those that have just started or are about to start a PPC campaign.

If you have any tips, tricks or opinions on PPC in general and would like to share the "do's and don'ts" of PPC. Please post on this thread with your tips.

Again, I am just starting my campaign. I need to know things like how I should group my ad groups, keyword research, campaign settings, bids, CPC and everything a newbie would need to succeed in his first PPC campaign.

Thank you so much in advance for posting your tips and tricks. I greatly appreciate anything you post.

Oh and by the way. I am in the golf instruction niche.
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  • Profile picture of the author chdduncan
    Also, I would like to add...

    I hear the mobile network is amazing...and I heard its horrible. If you have used this whats your take on it?

    I hear the same for the content network. Something about don't use it unless you have a banner. It was something like that. Any comments on that?
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  • Profile picture of the author georgebartel
    Hi There, I have been using some brilliant software and gone through great training on FB PPC. What is very important is that you focus your PPC add to quality audiences. Otherwise you could land up spending a small fortune and not really getting results.
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    • Profile picture of the author chdduncan
      I have been using some brilliant software and gone through great training on FB PPC
      What is said brilliant software? Is it free, or cheap?

      Do you recommend Facebook for the golf niche? I hear that facebook is cheaper than adwords and can sometimes provide just as much traffic as google. In terms of PPC.

      What is very important is that you focus your PPC add to quality audiences
      Do you know of any site where I can get the demographics for my niche? I already know that a mass majority of golfers is over the age of like 40. But that's really all I know. lol

      I definitely don't want to spend a fortune and have nothing to show for it. That's why I am posting this. This also goes into my next question...

      How should I get my keyword stats? Like should I put $100 bucks into adwords and see what works and what doesn't and eliminate the bad. OR should I go in with $10 bucks here and $10 bucks there and find my research that way?
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  • Profile picture of the author afgwarrior
    Alright accept my apology for jumping in but here we go..

    What is said brilliant software? Is it free, or cheap?
    No, To get started in PPC you don't need any brilliant or amazing software. Stick with Adwords or Facebook tools for now until you like to scale up to masses. You will very likely get confused rather then using it for good. PPC has a huge learning curve and NO Software can replace it.. For training you can watch basic videos or go through adwords training center. That will give you handful of knowledge to begin with.



    Do you recommend Facebook for the golf niche? I hear that facebook is cheaper than adwords and can sometimes provide just as much traffic as google. In terms of PPC.
    Yes Facebook PPC is cheaper than Adwords in terms of clicks (on adwords you expect to spend near 2-3$ a click for the top5 position for golf niche (Just example) you can get the same click for 1.5$ on Facebook.. but the difference ? Here it is :

    The guy on Facebook is just bored from his life and doing something not so productive on facebook. He is not in the mood of taking away his wallet more often and so. He sees your ad and maybe out of curiosity clicks on it (people struggle to get even a .5% CTR on FB, Yes i have made 4%+ CTR On FB Ads but thats different story) , The ad will usually cost you less than adwords but the visitor is not so targeted and willing to buy your stuff..

    On the other hand, the guy on adwords is actually looking for information on golf, maybe training ? maybe help ? or something else where you can jump in to help him and he can pay for that...

    OK my example might be bad the bottomline is, FB PPC converts far less than Adwords when you are "selling" something, when you are after a Lead you can get away with the FB PPC easily.

    Do you know of any site where I can get the demographics for my niche? I already know that a mass majority of golfers is over the age of like 40. But that's really all I know. lol
    OK so you find few top sites of Gold niche and then go "alexa.com/siteinfo" you put the site there and it shows you the demographic from where most of the visitors are coming up. People from Warrior forum will say ton of things about Alexa that its not accurate, and its fact however its still a good way to know from where visitors are coming. that will help you target your ads better.. If you need a better tool - go for this - https://www.quantcast.com


    If you are really new to PPC (Specially Adwords) Consider this a best practice for you..

    For a newbie, i would suggest below

    step 1. Draw your site structure on a paper
    step 2. outline your important pages where you need traffic (This will be your landing pages for each adgroup we gonna build in next steps)
    step 3. research keywords, as many as you could for each of those pages and save in notepad
    step 4. create a campaign in adwords and adjust upper level settings
    step 5. create 1 ad group for each of the pages you outlines in step 2 (More adgroups on later stage,for now create one for each landing page)
    step 6. put the keywords you collected in step 3 for each ad-group, write 2 ad copies for the ad-group and point it to the right landing page for this one
    step 7 . Think of any other keywords groups (Groups means a theme of keyword set, if you can relate more than 5 keywords belong to 1 group, make a separate adgroup for that)
    step 8. set a budget and hit GO.



    if you ask me about the best advise I can give -- I would Shout : Relevancy ..



    Relevancy- Everywhere. that means keyword research and landing page setup. if your landing page is not relevant enough you will get a very bad quality score which will result in higher bid with lower placement means lower CTR means a bit higher bid again. So its all a complex mix of relevancy and doing it wrong will simply skyrocket your bid while lowering down your clicks and sales .. that's where most of the people says adwords does not work anymore but if you can get everything relevant your ad will manage to get a Better CTR, better CTR will attract a lower CPC and higher position. See the example here and try to figure out how this equation works.. ...



    If you look above, All i did once i started managing this account was to "Improve the CTR" and that was done by Relevancy. The ads were super relevant to the terms searched for and thus attracted more clicks, since my CTR went up you can see the Position of the ad went up as well (From 4.5 to 1.9) and that too while paying 20 cent less than what was being paid earlier.. Means if you manage to have a better CTR you will secure a higher position and less CPC means more profit for you..


    Alright if the stuff above done not make sense to you, pardon me and ask individual questions than asking broad questions like "Best advise"

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    • Profile picture of the author chdduncan
      Focus on the copy, the more relevant the message on your ad is to the problem your prospects are facing the higher your CTR will be, that is the key to win positions instead of bidding higher
      So your saying, if I use my add to ask a common question and then tell them where to find the answer i.e my squeeze page. The ctr will be higher?
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  • Profile picture of the author patadeperro
    Focus on the copy, the more relevant the message on your ad is to the problem your prospects are facing the higher your CTR will be, that is the key to win positions instead of bidding higher
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    • Profile picture of the author aberrant
      Never bid on the big keywords, you'll lose all your money really quickly. I like to focus my campaigns on long tail keywords because the competition is practically nil and bids are much more affordable. Adwords is one of the most expensive PPC platforms, but it's not the only one. Look into Bing as well, it's much more affordable with equivalent traffic quality, just less of it.
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      • Profile picture of the author chdduncan
        For training you can watch basic videos or go through adwords training center
        Is that google's youtube page? If it is, I went there and they talk a whole lot about ecommerce sites and adwords.

        On the other hand, the guy on adwords is actually looking for information on golf, maybe training ? maybe help ? or something else where you can jump in to help him and he can pay for that...
        I can see why the CTR% and Conversion rates would be a lot higher using adwords then facebook. I am sending all my traffic to a squeeze page to get my visitor to sign up to a free 5 day ecourse. Would facebook be an ok venture for me?

        OK so you find few top sites of Golf niche and then go "alexa.com/siteinfo" you put the site there and it shows you the demographic from where most of the visitors are coming up.
        Ok, so i went to alexa and quantcast.com and I got my demographic customer. He is around the age of 50, has no kids, makes around 100,000 a year and plays all the time.

        So thank you for that comment. I now know who I am talking to in regards to "my customer".

        step 1. Draw your site structure on a paper
        What if I only have a 1 page squeeze page?

        that's where most of the people says adwords does not work anymore but if you can get everything relevant your ad will manage to get a Better CTR, better CTR will attract a lower CPC and higher position. See the example here and try to figure out how this equation works.. ...
        So relevancy is key in adwords. I get that. But what if you only have a one page squeeze page? Can I make every adgroup go to my squeeze page and my squeeze page have "golf tips" keyword but my adgroup have "golf swing" keyword? Or do I have to change the content of my squeeze page for every ad group?

        Thank you so much for your comments. Its greatly appreciated.
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      • Profile picture of the author chdduncan
        Originally Posted by aberrant View Post

        Never bid on the big keywords, you'll lose all your money really quickly. I like to focus my campaigns on long tail keywords because the competition is practically nil and bids are much more affordable. Adwords is one of the most expensive PPC platforms, but it's not the only one. Look into Bing as well, it's much more affordable with equivalent traffic quality, just less of it.
        So focus on keywords that have like more than 3 words in it? I hear bing and yahoo are great. I just want to get a succcessful campaign in google and then I plan on copy and pasting my work into the other search engines.

        What about media buy sites? Like adbrite? Are those worth going after?
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    Try to make a profit
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  • Profile picture of the author chdduncan
    Hmm I see. I will be starting a ppc campaign today or tomorrow. I will post my results. Thank you for your advice.
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  • Profile picture of the author chdduncan
    How are sites like adbrite, or other media buy sites? Are they pretty good once I figure out what keywords work for my site?
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    Any other comments or advice?
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  • Profile picture of the author svetod
    My 3 simple rules I used, when I started with adwords.
    Start exact match.
    Pause every keyword that has 100 impressions and 0 clicks.
    Pause every keyword that has 20 clicks and 0 leads.

    I followed this model and short after that I was making £10.000+ a month.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hansons
    Start with little money, test products and keywords, those keywords, products giving you money stick with that, automate the process, then test other product.
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    • Profile picture of the author chdduncan
      Start with little money, test products and keywords, those keywords, products giving you money stick with that, automate the process, then test other product.
      It sounds so simple when you put it like that. I just hope that I make my first real online business. With your guys help I feel like I really can!

      Thank you so much.
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  • Profile picture of the author chdduncan
    Pause every keyword that has 100 impressions and 0 clicks.
    Pause every keyword that has 20 clicks and 0 leads.
    Couldn't that take traffic away from keywords that could possibly perform later on?
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  • Profile picture of the author chdduncan
    A question a little off topic from PPC. How many autoresponder emails should I have before I begin my PPC campaign?
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  • Profile picture of the author chdduncan
    Anyone know of other good PPC networks?
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  • Profile picture of the author zenichanin
    You can try Bing/Yahoo network but no PPC network is going to be more effective than AdWords unless it's like a niche thing. AdWords is seen by most people, and a lot of those have the intent to purchase what they're searching for.
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    • Profile picture of the author chdduncan
      I also hear google does not accept squeeze page ads anymore.

      How can i go around this?
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  • Profile picture of the author ishuvonet
    I would say as a starter dont go for significant investment.Test it first with some small amount.The niche you are planning to promote is competitive.So make sure you have a good landing page. Read their quality guidelines and rules before starting the campaign.Most newbies ignore this and that eventually got their account suspended and Its almost impossible to get your account unsuspended If they ban you due to not following their guidelines.When you sign up make sure you check the box "Important suggestion regarding your account and campaign improvement". They really send some useful tailored tips overtime to improve your campaign.As far the ad groups are concerned,they should be tightly themed and this will allow you to better organize your campaign.Try to learn how to use their keyword tool and negative keywords option from Google as you will find a lot of tutorials out there.Also try to learn how to improve quality score as it eventually helps you to decrease your advertising cost.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bannaz
    Test. Test. Test.

    I would recommend starting with a very small budget to begin with whilst you test keywords and ads. Once you see a trend and your ROI is positive, increase your budget and monitor the results.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ali M
    Is your golf website selling equipment or is it a blog or a trainging/tips thing?

    Structure your account well and seperate everything by adgroups.... make a different adgroup for every different ad.... then, use their reports and analysis tools to see which gets better CTR, which gets better impressions and which gets better conversions..... what you do next is to mix and match ad text, keywords and budget to get the best out of those three factors in one adgroup.....
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