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An Oldie but Goodie -Putting Tiered link building on Steroids and How Tools That Record Sites Rock

by Mike Anthony
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Recently when in a discussion about tools and how so many people pay so much for them I decided to brush of a technique I hadn't used in a while. This is hardly new and some people refer to it as "Hayden's method" based on the guy that first talked about it years ago. I have not seen this talked about for awhile.

Essentially it goes off the fact that tens of thousands if not millions of links exist on the internet that no longer point at a functional site. The domains are no longer registered and essentially if you can find them them you get the links that go to them for the price of a domain registration. Quite a few of them are PR2 and up in terms of the links (the domains and site when setup will NOT show the PR since the sites have not been in googles index). You do this in Hayden's technique (I do it differently) by using scrapebox and scraping with the year in the scrape then checking for 404 errors.

I am not going to report on any case study since case studies are not allowed at WF but I did want to say that I brushed off the techniques and it still seems to work. I put my own magic twists on it and it still remains true today even years after Hayden tested it that those links are still out there and the domains are avalable for registration with quite a deal of searching (the down side)

In addition I decided to rig some of them up and use in tier linked building and again without getting into case study territory you may want to consider adding this into your arsenal because the juice for these sites beats throwing a whole bunch of Pr NA links at them.

Finally I got back on the Magic submitter wagon because I found that its ability to record sites allows me to set up each new "old link domain" as a service type and then using the diagrammer I can send juice where I wish in a tiered link set up - Only with this technique you could send the links to your money site or you could just do one tier to web 2.Os and avoid any talk of an upcoming algo change that renders multi tiered link building useless

Just a tip and a direction to head in as a lot of old linking strategies have been blown away by Google. This one still works.
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  • Profile picture of the author markowe
    Nice. I've done this a few times, though as I am not really building networks I didn't do much with the technique. I liked authority sites with lists of "Useful resources", that link to other high authority domains - it is quite common to find dead domains that way. I used that... duuurrrr, what was that tool called, that finds 404 links on your sites, there are probably plenty around, you can just as easily use it to find dead links on other people's sites too .

    But what are your thoughts on your new domain regaining some of that "authority" it once had? I imagine a lot of that is lost when a domain expires. Is this mostly about passing on PR? And presumably you still have to take all the regular precautions about hosting, domain ownership and whatnot.

    I am taking a huge big break from SEO, but when I eventually re-enter the fray, this is the sort of direction I will take, for sure.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      I believe the tool you were referring to was Xenu link stealth
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    • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
      Originally Posted by markowe View Post

      But what are your thoughts on your new domain regaining some of that "authority" it once had?
      When I first started IM/SEO I bought a domain with Medifast in it. I was surprised to see how easy I got good results. I was out ranking the official site for most of its keywords and sitting under it for medifast itself. Little did I know the domain had history - a good history with some very strong links - but when I bought it I thought it was a fresh domain.

      I then got a C&D from Medifast so I stopped using the domain and 301'd to a fresh domain. The rankings stuck and improved (eventually I was top 3 for diet plan(s) and heaps of other nice ones).

      I've continually had good experience with expired domains both as a money site and for redirects.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
    Just be careful you aren't buying someone else's problem. The older domains are usually good but a lot of the newly expired domains are expired because the owner doesn't want to deal with their penalties any more. Pay attention to the expired domains backlink profile to make sure it hasn't been abused in the past.

    (Industry directories are a good source. )

    Xenu link stealth's 'no such host' is a bit of a bum steer. It will return registered domains that don't have a host and aren't parked. Run that list through a whois tool to get the actual free domain list (and perhaps through the SB seomoz plugin to do a prelim check on quality.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Fraggler View Post

      Just be careful you aren't buying someone else's problem. The older domains are usually good but a lot of the newly expired domains are expired because the owner doesn't want to deal with their penalties any more.
      Good point Troy. My system now goes back to domains that haven't be registered in years.

      Run that list through a whois tool to get the actual free domain list (and perhaps through the SB seomoz plugin to do a prelim check on quality.
      right. In scrapebox its under the addons menu and if it shows no info in whois then you have greatly cut down on the registered ones but then copy and paste them into you domain registrars to make sure which ones are available before bothering to check backlinks.
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  • Profile picture of the author GyuMan82
    For me "Hayden's Method" has been a crapshoot. Maybe I am doing it wrong, but using his methods I get about 50/50 in terms of domain with good PR and complete duds.

    I remember having sites with a ton of PR4 and PR5 do-follow links and on the next update come up with PR0-PR1 domains for whatever reason.

    So essentially I got 50/50 good and bad, so when you average it out, it comes out to about the same as the cost of an expired domain from a Godaddy Auction, so I just roll with the expired rather than take the time to put up a deleted site that may end up having little/no PR.

    And like you said, running the analysis takes forever too with Scrapebox/Xenu etc.

    It is though still a viable method, just not really my cup of tea.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by GyuMan82 View Post

      I remember having sites with a ton of PR4 and PR5 do-follow links and on the next update come up with PR0-PR1 domains for whatever reason.
      Two things on that .

      A) In my recent experience a single PR toolbar update means little to nothing. I have a PR4 that has been a PR4 from last october and it has had no links for nearly a year. So the one update did NOT update that page. I have had PR6 links to pages and they stay for an update or two at PR zero before I see PR updates. I find that PR in the toolbar is probably the least reliable metric because Google has an interest in it not being totally accurate to the public.

      B) its possible that those PR4 source pages were so old and had not been updated for so long that Google stopped crawling them in any timely manner. The less often Google sees changes the less the crawler recrawls the page. If that happens the crawling data will still show the links as dead 404s. I'd send some links to the link source pages and see what happens.


      So essentially I got 50/50 good and bad, so when you average it out, it comes out to about the same as the cost of an expired domain from a Godaddy Auction
      Nah....not in my experience....People say that but two things - they leave the cost of the domain registration out of it (and Godaddy rarely allows you a coupon against auctions so its $12-$14 and then if you are only buying one whois privacy is extra). Then most good PR3s (forget good PR4s showing up often in in Bargain bin) are not going to go through the system several times to get to $5.

      So in reality most people pay around $30 for domains there (even some PR2s) and they are the kind of domains that people passed on bidding the first time around or they would not get to become buy it nows. SO thats like three times the cost of registering it with whois privacy over namecheap for example. Sure they will show the PR3 in the tool bar for awhile but thy tend to be pretty weak in real juice too.

      SO even 50/50 you are getting 3 domains for the price where Godaddy gives you two and I think if you hang on and build links to the source pages it will be a lot better than 50/50. If you think about it the fact that it works on any of them means theres nothing in place to stop it from working all the time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
    But you have the same chance of making mistakes with an auction as the selection process should be identical.
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  • Profile picture of the author jinx1221
    Thanks Mike, prime example of what everybody needs to be doing more often, which is thinking outside the box.. and in this case, literally
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Yep....I refined things a bit and even created a little bot and am finding a boatload of these kind of old link domains
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      • Profile picture of the author mikeb1
        @Mike make video on it and I will buy as wso
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