Social Signals and My Findings...

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Hossain

Well there are still some doubts but most recently I have done some experiments on social signals on rankings. I hired a VA from Indian then provided him access to HMA. His duty is providing google plus votes using USA IPs. And I have noticed really good result in ranking. Even though competition for the keyword was easy but my target page was out of first 10 pages. Now its on first page depending on google plus votes only!

Just one experiment is not enough to make any verdict but wanted to know your opinion on this issue?

Can you go a little more in depth with Google + votes using USA ips? He's creating multiple Google + accounts and liking each post?

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Hossain 11 years ago

Originally Posted by GGpaul

Can you go a little more in depth with Google + votes using USA ips? He's creating multiple Google + accounts and liking each post?

He is using multiple google accounts. I purchased almost 100 gmail accounts from fiverr for this experiment. I instructed him to change IPs before each click and browse using private mode in firefox.

step 1: VA is Logging in a google account.

step 2: searching in USA google using the keyword. Finding my website from the results. And pushing google +.
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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

G+ votes would have to be the easiest thing for Google to shut down whenever they wanted to. Not saying I agree that G+ votes would do anything to rank a page.

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Hossain 11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

G+ votes would have to be the easiest thing for Google to shut down whenever they wanted to. Not saying I agree that G+ votes would do anything to rank a page.

I know social signals are easy to manipulate so I was staying far away from these. But you know google is not 100% foolproof. Still there are some ways to manipulate. It doesnt mean I am supporting manipulation. I am just thinking if social signals started playing big rolls in SEO as Matt mentioned long before.
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Point Blank

11 years ago

Yes, G+ will influence rankings as social signals have increased in SEO value. That having been said don't over do it as I've heard friends being penalized for too much "gaming".

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h4wts

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Point Blank

Yes, G+ will influence rankings as social signals have increased in SEO value. That having been said don't over do it as I've heard friends being penalized for too much "gaming".

Matt Cutts commented on an article recently saying +1s and social signals have no impact on ranking. See inbound.org for the link to the comment.

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Brian Lett

11 years ago

Originally Posted by h4wts

Matt Cutts commented on an article recently saying +1s and social signals have no impact on ranking. See inbound.org for the link to the comment.

You are better off trusting your own due diligence as opposed to anything that Matt Cutts says regarding social signals.

One thing that I know is that I have not experienced negative results as a consequence of re-tweets and +1s. Therefore, it is best to err on the side of caution and operate as though social signals do have a positive impact on organic rankings. What do you have to lose?

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dennis09

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Brian Lett

One thing that I know is that I have not experienced negative results as a consequence of re-tweets and +1s. Therefore, it is best to err on the side of caution and operate as though social signals do have a positive impact on organic rankings. What do you have to lose?

I'm not sure if wiki links have a negative impact, therefore i'm going to operate as they they have a positive impact and build a shit ton of em. Sounds like a sloppy way to do SEO.

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h4wts

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Brian Lett

You are better off trusting your own due diligence as opposed to anything that Matt Cutts says regarding social signals.

One thing that I know is that I have not experienced negative results as a consequence of re-tweets and +1s. Therefore, it is best to err on the side of caution and operate as though social signals do have a positive impact on organic rankings. What do you have to lose?

The Moz article above gives a lot more insight into it. It's almost a catch-22. +1's help sharing across G+ that in turn generate traffic and potentially links in from other sites/blogs. Without the +1's you wouldn't get this, but they do not directly raise your rankings.

I'd say listening to Matt Cutts is critical but agree that you should use your own insights from how social sharing (Likes, +1s, RT, whatever) supports organic search.

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GodMode52

11 years ago

This thread couldn't be more useless than this tbh. There's so many different factors to take in consideration with one single keyword/page that you can't give any conclusions at all.

I've tried with over 20 sites in the last 18 months and I can certainly say that no , social signals alone wont rank you keywords (even if in the easy competition) , those are still ''signals'' only which may certainly help to raise the ''trust factor'' of a website , but that's all - for now.

Then of course genuine social signals are a whole different story, traffic , natural links to quality content etc. Spamming the website with fake accounts is worst than sticking with senuke/xrumer/scrapbox or any other automated crap on the tieri1.

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Hossain

11 years ago

Originally Posted by GodMode52

Then of course genuine social signals are a whole different story, traffic , natural links to quality content etc. Spamming the website with fake accounts is worst than sticking with senuke/xrumer/scrapbox or any other automated crap on the tieri1.

First of all I am not looking for any controversy. I opened this thread to know about others experiences. By the way building backlinks by your own is manipulation and we are practicing it over the years. Not natural but working.

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dennis09

11 years ago

I've always doubted social plays that big of an influence. For super low competition keywords, yeah maybe. Then again for those just about any type of link is enough to rank. Call me slow to adapt, but until what i'm doing stops being effective I really don't see the need to devote any money/energy into social signals. Seems like just another shiny object to chase. In other words, I just couldn't care either way unless they became the new high PR relevant contextual link.

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Hossain

11 years ago

My keyword isnt extremely low competitive. In fact it is getting almost 2k traffic/m. PR of top 5 pages are respectively 3, 2, 1, 2, 3. According to ahref backlinks to these competitors using my target anchor text are respectively 22, 53, 12, 72 and 19. I checked some of these backlinks. Most of them are contextual. No strong backlink portfolio for any of these webpages. I really dug hard so I think competitors are still unaware of the keyword. But again my webpage is completely orphan page even the website is too.

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GodMode52

11 years ago

1- Your site is fresh with new content
2- You picked up a gold keyword
3- Competitors has bad or no on-site SEO at all

Those are the only things I can think about atm.

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Hossain

11 years ago

Originally Posted by GodMode52

1- Your site is fresh with new content
2- You picked up a gold keyword
3- Competitors has bad or no on-site SEO at all

Those are the only things I can think about atm.

Not at all. The page was under water for such a long time. Almost 7 months. I hadn't enough chance to work on it as I won almost 100+ different sites. It was just an experiment before I start building backlinks to the target page. And you know it really surprised me!

I am such a lazy man. Don't like to start new thread. But this time thinking if this become an interesting thread for professional SEO and if I can learn something sharing my experience with you.

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natebunger

11 years ago

Social signals increase value and trust. This will lead to more traffic. As I see it, social signals still hold relevance. They help SEO indirectly.

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Kevin Maguire 11 years ago

Originally Posted by natebunger

Social signals increase value and trust. This will lead to more traffic. As I see it, social signals still hold relevance. They help SEO indirectly.

Building social links for traffic generation is Search Engine Marketing (SEM). Not SEO I'm afraid.

Most "professional" SEO's would be doing both SEO and SEM, but that's not to say the are one and the same thing.
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Hossain

11 years ago

Well the thread is on first page of PPC-SEO discussion subforum for 2 days. Still very little attraction. Neither good amount of replies nor views counts. I think most SEOs still not sure about effect of social signals on SEO and none or very few of them did this type of experiment/work thus no one is quite sure about influencing power of social signals. However I would target another page for little bit higher competitive keyword and if I see good result I would share my experiment with you.

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Kevin Maguire

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Hossain

Well the thread is on first page of PPC-SEO discussion subforum for 2 days. Still very little attraction. Neither good amount of replies nor views counts. I think most SEOs still not sure about effect of social signals on SEO and none or very few of them did this type of experiment/work thus no one is quite sure about influencing power of social signals. However I would target another page for little bit higher competitive keyword and if I see good result I would share my experiment with you.

Ok then, Make your page this time target, lets say "Penny Stocks". Thats a medium comp keyword with decent search volume.

See if you can G+, FB like and Tweet your way into the top 10 at least for that keyword. Until then, I can't take anyone's opinion of social having SERPs impact seriously.

Come back here and update us when your page 1. Good luck.

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Sarafantrys

11 years ago

Google is an intelligent search engine. They employ highly efficient algorithms to detect many things and they never share their secrets with us, unfortunately. G+ votes are good as it will potentially increase rankings but be extra cautious in not overly doing it is all

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h4wts

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Sarafantrys

Google is an intelligent search engine. They employ highly efficient algorithms to detect many things and they never share their secrets with us, unfortunately. G+ votes are good as it will potentially increase rankings but be extra cautious in not overly doing it is all

Always the case. If you overcook it Google will pick up on it with ease. 1-5 +1's for months, then all of sudden hundreds of +1's daily/weekly? It's obvious that's manipulative.

But the point is you're better off creating great content that will get shared naturally across all social networks. Then you'll get the links in return from outside of the platforms (plus Moz states there is link juice flowing from G+ directly as a bonus).

From Moz article:
"Pages and posts on Google+ not only accumulate PageRank, but because links to posts are followed, they pass link equity on as well."

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seekdefo

11 years ago

There's a post on Moz that you guys may like to see Google +1's Amazing Correlation with Higher Search Rankings - Moz

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